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Old 11-12-2016, 05:06 PM
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Since the intro of this new investigatory power act which means the gumbyment and its criminal partners can spy on everything we do or say online and read our email accounts, to be quite honest I thought bollocks to that.

So I am using a new browser which gives total anonymity online.
Nothing to do with the dark web OK.
Nothing at all in it for me other then helping anyone else who is sick to bloody death of the control state.

Since some members here seem to have issues with links I post on the forum.
You can find it online easily yurselves. Its called "Tor Browser"
Stay anonymous online.

And I've fully gone to ProtonMail now but will keep my old email account open for a while.
No government office or the police or any blighter else can access my email account and read my emails either.
I am not going to be spied on 24/7 by any of the gumbyment or any of their criminal partners.
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Sounds a good plan....especially the emails...
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They can read mine if they like jokes & family Birthday greeting, will soon get bored. I wonder how many suicides there will be when operators have to trawl through millions of selfies and photos of meals etc. Serve the nosey bastards right.

Ewokandtuck Investigations tendered for the job but they read our e-mails and told us to feck off!!!!!!
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I always assume that anything I put on the web can be seen by any one and forever.
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If it's in the public domain and connected to the web even EW&T IT dept could read your emails etc
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Old 13-12-2016, 08:28 PM
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I was watching a legal case in the US where the FBI or some other mob wanted to be able to access a suspects I phone.
Apple were unhelpful and became embroiled a rights issue about Apple phone security. Long story short Apple refused to unlock the phone.
However a hacker in the US showed him it can easily be done.
So the feds and all their boffs couldn't crack it, but a hood rat could.

It's like theives who want to steal your bike, all you can do is make it hard for them. Same with data harvesting and monitoring us 24/7 online.
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Old 13-12-2016, 08:32 PM
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The TOR Browser is in development through people using it.
You cannot be traced at all because you are not using your own
IP address. The IP address changes regularly to anywhere in the world.
But it makes some sites work not so well. It's not 100% yet.
It leaves no trace where you've been on your pc either.
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Old 13-12-2016, 08:37 PM
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Sounds a good plan....especially the emails...
Someone can still read your emails at the other end.
But if two people use ProtonMail you can set up encryption between two so no one else can read it expect both proton mail users.
It's free for a small data packet or you can pay monthly and have more.
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TOR is not anonymous. It got worked out a long time ago.

If you want to stay anonymous on the Internet, don't go on the Internet.

The "anonymous" web doesn't exist.

The people that ran the Silk Road on the Dark Web, the paedos on the Dark Web thought they were bulletproof. They got caught too. It might take longer, but every time you use the Internet, you leave a footprint somewhere
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I havent seen anything that reports Tor not being anonymous.
There are some reports its not totally safe from determined hackers.
Tor is no good for the criminal fraternity I agree neither is the dark web if anyone is that stupid to go on it in the first place they are instantly tracked.

For day to day use for the common people Tor works fine for keeping anonymous from government organisations which can and will monitor everywhere people go and everything the say. Government departments like HMRC, DWP, the police, have free access to see everything you say or do.
Thats just now, never mind their future plans.

Its a free choice for people to make, to either stay wide open or try not to hlep the people gathering infinite amounts of data for whatever their nefarious reasons.
I'm not on twitter or facebook or any rubbish like that
But theres no way I will make it easy for them.
The state is not our friend and staying offline is only doable to a degree.

The new IPA 2016 means anyone can be tried in court and any data gathered against you can be used to find you guilty but only the Judge and Barristers are allowed to know the evidence is being used in the first place. The new law also bars you from seeing or questioning the digital evidence gathered against you in court.

The data mining of infinite details about everyone is not for our benefit.
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"The UK's Investigatory Powers Act allows the State to tell lies in court"

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12...nglish_courts/
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We ditched our Samsung Smart TV last year because it can video and voice record you from the TV even when its on standby.
But the smart TV's are all the same and have the same capability.

Do you want some nosy t.... watching what you and the mrs are doing on the settee of an evening?
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And you're posting on a forum (that doesn't use HTTPS, so the traffic isn't encrypted) where everything you type is just an entry in a database, that doesn't get deleted even if you delete your post, that is stored for an eternity that can be requested by a court (and it's been that way for years)?

TOR got busted in about 2014 (I've worked in IT for over 27 years and the security press is a daily read for me)
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And you're posting on a forum (that doesn't use HTTPS, so the traffic isn't encrypted) where everything you type is just an entry in a database, that doesn't get deleted even if you delete your post, that is stored for an eternity that can be requested by a court (and it's been that way for years)?

TOR got busted in about 2014 (I've worked in IT for over 27 years and the security press is a daily read for me)

Fair enough.
I'm very interested to hear what you have to say.
When using Tor browser it doesn't use your personal IP address and constantly changes to a new random international IP address, so how can they trace what sites I'm on?
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Fair enough.
I'm very interested to hear what you have to say.
When using Tor browser it doesn't use your personal IP address and constantly changes to a new random international IP address, so how can they trace what sites I'm on?
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/201...arns-us-judge/

Sophos are a well respected IT Security company.
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I was watching a legal case in the US where the FBI or some other mob wanted to be able to access a suspects I phone.
Apple were unhelpful and became embroiled a rights issue about Apple phone security. Long story short Apple refused to unlock the phone.
However a hacker in the US showed him it can easily be done.
So the feds and all their boffs couldn't crack it, but a hood rat could.

It's like theives who want to steal your bike, all you can do is make it hard for them. Same with data harvesting and monitoring us 24/7 online.
Maybe I'm totally paranoid and working for the government I do know how not "joined up" government agencies are, but it did strike me as possible that the legal case was a smokescreen to create the impression that the phones are secure. The motive for security forces would be that criminals etc might use a phone if they thought it was secure but not otherwise. While for Apple the motive to co-operate would be extra sales if people believe the phone to be secure. Now where is the tin foil.
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Maybe I'm totally paranoid and working for the government I do know how not "joined up" government agencies are, but it did strike me as possible that the legal case was a smokescreen to create the impression that the phones are secure. The motive for security forces would be that criminals etc might use a phone if they thought it was secure but not otherwise. While for Apple the motive to co-operate would be extra sales if people believe the phone to be secure. Now where is the tin foil.
These new smart phones seem like an open portal where apps can read your texts and listen to your phone services or take photographs. Etc
I don't trust this phone and I don't trust the government agencies.
The reason I don't trust government agencies is that they are so bloody dishonest and will stitch you up just because they can.

If you want to go full tin hat? I knew about the NSA Echelon system 25 years ago which was run from RAF Menwith Hill. But just down the road from us the NSA have announced they are investing 350 million in the biggest global eavesdropping system in Europe. Nice.
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https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/201...arns-us-judge/

Sophos are a well respected IT Security company.
"After all, Tor really only exists to mix up your network traffic to make it much harder to trace or to block."
That's the point and data security is another issue.

I keep all my data on a seperate hard drive with only a physical usb connection.
I also don't use WiFi and have no WiFi on my pc. Cable connection for Internet.
I have encryption ability on all my data, but it's as safe as it can be on a seperate hard drive with the USB cable unplugged.

My only "crime" I suppose is being politically active.
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even the EW&T IT dept could read your emails etc
I don't even think VPN's do a decent job of masking your IP address
Keeping your data safe .......... simple don't have a computer connected to the outside world
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We ditched our Samsung Smart TV last year because it can video and voice record you from the TV even when its on standby.
But the smart TV's are all the same and have the same capability.

Do you want some nosy t.... watching what you and the mrs are doing on the settee of an evening?
Cover it like a parrot cage or unplug it.....
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Don't tell me ........someone actually leaves their TV on standby?
Next you be telling me the same people switch electricity suppliers to save money.
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Cover it like a parrot cage or unplug it.....
On Samsung Smart sets the camera is perched on top of the screen in the centre,.... all you need to do is either turn the roller on the back of the camera to face the ceiling or stick a little piece of masking tape over it.

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Cover it like a parrot cage or unplug it.....
The croched doiley just didnt look right somehow
Nah TV has gone for all sorts of reasons, namely because its crap.
We are detoxing from the constant propoganda, social engineering and general bullshit.
Got catch-up and youtube if we feel the need to watch shite.

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On Samsung Smart sets the camera is perched on top of the screen in the centre,.... all you need to do is either turn the roller on the back of the camera to face the ceiling or stick a little piece of masking tape over it.

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Both of us put stickers over the camera facing towards your face on the smart phones. Got an old flat screen PC monitor with no techno wizadry in it and no wi-fi to the pc either. They really wouldn't want a close up of my boat race I can tell you
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Don't tell me ........someone actually leaves their TV on standby?
Next you be telling me the same people switch electricity suppliers to save money.
Believe or not most TVs now do not have an actual On/Off switch! The only way to turn them off now is unplugging them!
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"After all, Tor really only exists to mix up your network traffic to make it much harder to trace or to block."
That's the point and data security is another issue.
My point is that Tor makes it harder to trace, not impossible to trace. So complete online anonymity is not possible
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Believe or not most TVs now do not have an actual On/Off switch! The only way to turn them off now is unplugging them!
Nearly everything of mine is switched off at the socket and only turned on when reqd. The only things that left on are the fridge, answerphone, and central heating timer. Even the microwave is switched off at the mains as I don't need another clock in the home.

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Don't have and nor do I want a smart phone. Waste of money and I WILL NOT purchase Apple products at any price. I have a phone that sends texts (my main form of contact) and makes phone calls. I do have a camera on it which faces outwards and I never use. I never connect it to my computer as I lost the lead, so My cannon camera (without WiFi connectivity) takes all my pictures. I'm not a Luddite, just don't waste money on useless stuff...

P.S. I don't use the cloud either, some twat tried to sell me cloud space when I bought a laptop and I said no because it isn't secure. He wasted a lot of my time trying to convince me how safe it was but I still said no, shortly after the nude photos of the stars scandal, where they were hacked from the cloud, hit the headlines.....
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Don't have and nor do I want a smart phone. Waste of money and I WILL NOT purchase Apple products at any price. I have a phone that sends texts (my main form of contact) and makes phone calls. I do have a camera on it which faces outwards and I never use. I never connect it to my computer as I lost the lead, so My cannon camera (without WiFi connectivity) takes all my pictures. I'm not a Luddite, just don't waste money on useless stuff...

P.S. I don't use the cloud either, some twat tried to sell me cloud space when I bought a laptop and I said no because it isn't secure. He wasted a lot of my time trying to convince me how safe it was but I still said no, shortly after the nude photos of the stars scandal, where they were hacked from the cloud, hit the headlines.....
No need to worry... the negs of you, Bella Emberg, and the egg wisk are quite safe......for a small fee.....
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