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Old 27-09-2011, 05:14 PM
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Old 27-09-2011, 06:14 PM
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According to Wikipedia
Section 59 of the Act is a common tool now used by police officers and Police Community Support Officers to seize vehicles being used in an anti-social manner.
Vehicles can be seized if the police officer/PCSO reasonably believes that a mechanically propelled vehicle is being used in a manner:
causing, or likely to cause alarm, distress or annoyance to the public,
and:
contravening section 3 (careless/inconsiderate driving), or
contravening section 34 (prohibition of off-road driving/driving other than a road) of the Road Traffic Act 1988.
Vehicles should be issued with a warning first, unless this is impracticable.

An example of it being impractical would be the offenders leaving the vehicle/making off or the vehicle being unregistered and unable to be traced - therefore a warning unable to be placed.
If an officer also believes a warning has been given within the past 12 months, but not recorded on the Police National Computer, they can seize the vehicle immediately.
Furthermore, if the officer believes the warning will disregarded or not heeded, they may seize the vehicle immediately.
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Old 27-09-2011, 06:22 PM
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People were asked and warned beforehand, not to block the outside lane of the motorways.However, there will always be some clever arses who do it just for the ego factor, These are the pratts who could ruin the determination of the 10s of 1000s who took part, and stuck to the plan.
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Old 27-09-2011, 08:04 PM
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Section 59 orders are supposed to be used to keep chavs on mini motos off the pavements and bad lads on knicked field bikes off the waste ground. Unfortunately there's some right knobs on the force who use a hammer to crack an egg. One of me younger brothers got a section 59 for riding one handed What he was actually doing was wiping the rain off his visor
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Old 27-09-2011, 08:56 PM
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They would have had a field day on Sunday then, they would also get me every time I flex my fingers or wave to a fellow biker, I've even been waved at by a bike copper and I hate to think of the times I have to straighten my knees or lift my bum off the seat. I must have wiped my visor at least 50 times on Sunday and hundreds of times when I tried the round Britain trip in July..

They pull you any chance they get and the magistrates just assume they are right and find against you.

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Old 27-09-2011, 09:32 PM
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The highway code still shows hand signals.

and you gotta take a hand off the bars for that
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Old 27-09-2011, 10:25 PM
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On older machines indicators are not fitted and hand signals are therefore neccesarry, that goes for classic bikes and cars, tractors etc I'm non too pleased that some do gooder drilled holes all over our old landrover to fit indicators when it needn't actually have them, just 1 more thing to fix come mot time, but at least folk can see I'm intending to turn off - if they bother to look. I think indicators became compulsory on new vehicles in 1985(ish) so many drivers still not knowing they exsist is something I cannot figure.
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Old 28-09-2011, 04:10 AM
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Section 59 orders are supposed to be used to keep chavs on mini motos off the pavements and bad lads on knicked field bikes off the waste ground. Unfortunately there's some right knobs on the force who use a hammer to crack an egg. One of me younger brothers got a section 59 for riding one handed What he was actually doing was wiping the rain off his visor
so using this logic are they confiscating the cars from those who are caught using a phone in an irresponsibly............
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Old 28-09-2011, 09:10 AM
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People were asked and warned beforehand, not to block the outside lane of the motorways.However, there will always be some clever arses who do it just for the ego factor, These are the pratts who could ruin the determination of the 10s of 1000s who took part, and stuck to the plan.
not an attack on you personaly just the way i type.

nobody said fuck all about not using outside lane to me or the shitload of others that also used all the lanes.

bought the tshirt at the meet and they said we were going to close the motorway,you dont do that by meekly chugging along in the slow lane so as they pulled onto main roads they dispersed into all the lanes straight away.
bloke that came at me and literally "ordered" me out of outside lane looked like a plain clothes so got told to fuck off.simple.tis a natural reaction.

if all youre going to do is meekly creep about while "protesting" then you got no chance of acheiving anything.
dont understand the apathy of the natives of this country whilst all about ragheads etc etc etc can give it beans(and get their own way) and were worried we might break a rule here n there.

unless we go the french,dutch etc route then we might as well give up cos were going to lose

my personal ego is fed purely by my feelings/grin when i ride my bike.just me and the bike,nothing else,dont give a fk what anybody else thinks.
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Old 28-09-2011, 09:27 AM
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not an attack on you personaly just the way i type.

nobody said fuck all about not using outside lane to me or the shitload of others that also used all the lanes.



if all youre going to do is meekly creep about while "protesting" then you got no chance of acheiving anything.

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MAG did release a statement which included advice on not blocking the road and pointed out is was an offenece.
They also pointed out that other traffic going by a long convoy of bikes,ideally with some banners that showed the point,would have more effect then simply seeing the 4 cars in front being blocked by a bike and no idea why.
As i always say simply doing something has little point if no one know why
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Old 28-09-2011, 09:37 AM
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must admit to feeling deflated somewhat after finding out that mag had refused to contact the media and had told to others to also not advertise it all.
also the end of the ride just sort of petered out..

so maybe it was just a practise run.
in which case another needs to be sorted asap,not next year as ive been hearing.

dunno..i reckon itll just fizzle out,,a rolling bike show isnt the way forwards and epetitions have already been proven to be a con..

ride to brussels would be good if tied in with the other countries..
mind imagine 40k brit bikes on lefthand drive roads/roundabouts/road signs,foreign jon law(imagine a lot havent driven abroad before).
would be chaos just getting there..
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Old 28-09-2011, 10:39 AM
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MAG had not ever ever ever said do not contact media .

they even sent all mag groups and anyone on the email list a sample press release to fill in the blanks on and send to your local media.

We did that to every local radio and paper and got a bit of publicity most of which was inaccurate - we even sent them the picture they used.

here is what was sent out to everyone on that list on 12th Sep

If you are organising a start point on Sept 25th, or you will be
attending one, you may wish to adapt the press release below, adding the
relevent local info before sending it to local papers and radio etc.
If your run is one that is being attended by an MP or MEP, then
obviously you'll need to ad that info too.
Feel free to ask your representatives if you know they ride.

If you don't have a motorway, please adapt text accordingly.

I have already been talking to the BBC etc, and will be dealing with
National media and the Highways Agency etc, as we attempt to get all the
overhead M-way signs switched on from midday.

###############

Hundreds of bikers from ............. will leave the ...... services at
Junction....... of the ....... at 1pm on Sunday September 25th, to ride
along the motorway in convoy. The ride, organised by the Motorcycle
Action Group (MAG) is intended to draw attention to a raft of EU 
proposals aimed at motorcycling. The local ride mirrors over 70 others
that will take place around the UK at exactly the same time.

Using the inside lanes and riding at around 45mph, the bikers will ride
for about 20 miles before dispersing.

A proposed EU Regulation threatens the right of owners to modify their
machines, and yet another one, which aims to harmonise roadworthiness
testing, would single out motorcycles for regular roadside checks.
Besides the EU proposals, domestic legislation in France will undermine
motorcycling as part of an integrated transport policy and the rights of
those who ride, because the French Government intends to:

• Make all bikers wear high visibility/reflective clothing
• Prohibit filtering between cars in traffic jams
• Prohibit bikes over seven years of age from urban areas

These regulations will apply to riders visiting from abroad.

The Irish Government is also demanding that bikers wear full sleeved
high visibility jackets.

MAG’s Campaigns Manager, Paddy Tyson said  “MAG is determined that the
onus of blame should not be shifted to riders in an accident situation
where a 3rd party didn’t actually look and conspicuity arguments are
irrelevent. Both French and Irish Governments have failed to provide
research to support their ideas and MAG is concerned that the insurance
industry in the UK may impose compulsion, when educating all road users
in hazard avoidance, would be more effective”.

Regarding the EU Regulation, Paddy said “The motorcycle industry has
been under severe pressure recently with new licensing directives
disuading riders and what our congested roads need are more bikes, not
increased legislation to discourage them”.

The demonstration is also intended to express solidarity with French and
Irish riders.

For more information about the local event contact .......... or MAG
Central Office 01926 844064 paddy.tyson@mag-uk.org
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Old 28-09-2011, 01:41 PM
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Yeah and i am sure the local media loved getting lots of those hitting their in boxs from dozens of different people
If MAG wish to get coverage then the local MAG reps need to build up a relationship with their local media.
Know which journalist or presenter will be interested and give a decent coverage.That takes time of course and simply firing off such random info to random people will have little chance of success.
The PR itself could do with some work as well,it follows the pyramid principle that is required but could be a little more attention grabbing.
Local reps need to start building up contacts with media now and once they have they will find jounos come to them on some topics
Even at 100% they see every month the same info about biker events sent from the same club/org but from 5/6 differing people and i have heard mention of how annoying that is.
Get organised and pro otherwise why should the media may attention.
Your event is chucked in the same pile as others that want coverage of their flower show,charity darts match etc,etc.
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Old 28-09-2011, 06:56 PM
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There was very little coverage, all the newspaper photo's I saw showed a lot less than twenty bikes and the written report stated "hundreds of biker protested right across the country"..I also noticed that reports were restricted to one paragraph per paper, even MCN gave a cut down report..

I suspect that due to the advance warning we gave the government they were able to control the press and make us look like a few nutters.

Only the youtube footage gives any indication of what really happened.

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Old 28-09-2011, 08:54 PM
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well in Reading we did we got reading chronicle Reading evening post bracknell news and today the free newspapers. Unfortunately there is no local tv studis anymore they are down in southhampton so no tv coverage

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2...arts_directive

http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/ne...-slow-protest/

http://www.bracknellnews.co.uk/news/...-slow-protest/

wycombe MAG got some good coverage in Oxford press as well
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Old 29-09-2011, 12:45 PM
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Letter in the Newcastle Journal today about bikers on the A1 getting pulled.
From Alan Burdis,Ryton,Tyne and Wear
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DEMO RIDE OVER.

NOW ITS E-MAIL TIME

e-mail your Mp, Mep, Dft, Minister for Transport, and any one else that you can think of. Its not enough to just ride.
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