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Old 03-08-2011, 02:07 PM
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Euro-Watchdog backs MAG members complaints over EU interference in biking

MAG member Jon Strong has had yet more success in his highly detailed challenge to some of the EU Commission’s most lazy assertions about what’s good for you and me as riders.

Now you can do something very simple that will help Jon press his case and shine a spotlight on attempts to steam-roller further restrictions on bike design, modification and use.

The European Ombudsman (responsible for checking whether the EU is playing the game fairly) recently found that the European Commission unjustifiably refused to answer Jon’s queries or to supply official documents relating to a range of issues that will have a big impact on biking, eg; the changes to EU Type Approval, the potential for a Europe-wide Super-MoT test, EU spending on aspects of road safety and development of safety technologies that could threaten biking as we know it. Jon has also asked to be shown the evidence in favour of EU proposals for random/regular roadside inspections of motorcycles and for the Commission to show whether it has properly considered the liberty issues.

ACTION: All that is needed to show the authorities that there is genuine public concern about this, is for enough people reading this article to contact the Ombudsman asking for copies of Jon’s original complaint and the supporting documents. That will make sure the complaint won’t get buried.

Please quote ‘Ref 0875/2011/jf’ in your request just asking for it will have sent the message. Use the contact form on the Ombudsman’s website www.ombudsman.europa.eu/shortcuts/contacts.faces Alternatively, send a letter or fax…

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Why are we asking you to do this..?

There are signs that the Ombudsman isn’t yet fully convinced or supportive of Jon’s efforts in trying to hold the Commission to account. The Ombudsman did not agree that Jon had tried hard enough to get the Commission to rethink the proposal that motorcycles should be subject to roadside emission spot-checks in future - this seems odd given that it was the Commission who wouldn’t respond to Jon’s questions.
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Old 03-08-2011, 03:41 PM
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Ok I sent them a bloody long email.

I wonder if they will even read it.

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Old 03-08-2011, 06:32 PM
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:33 PM
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Here's what I sent..

Ref 0875/2011/jf’ New restrictions for motorbikes
Content It has come to my attention that further restrictions are proposed on motorbikes and their riders...

These include motorbike design, modification and use...

The history of motorbikes and the British working class has been a long one..We have used the machine as a basic cheap mode of transport since it's inception..In todays poor economical climate this is even more true with petrol prices at £1.45 per litre and public transport costs so high that it is cheaper to drive a car with only one person in it from Suffolk to London than to buy a train ticket. The motorbike cost less to run, causes less polution, and takes up less room on the roads, also due to filtering can pass through traffic jams without causing disruption..Unfortunately the downsides are the British weather means that we don't have the same comfort as car drivers and the vehicles that overfill their tanks with diesel fuel tend to leave spillage at corners, roundabouts and road junctions which cause many accidents.

Now let us look at the worst thing you could do..

1. Make it illegal to ride a motorbike over seven years old in the cities of Europe.

Why.

Because this would stop people from buying a second hand motorbike..the total life of a motorbike from new would become seven years and then it would be scrap..also as there would be no resale value on a second hand motorbike, new motorbikes would not sell..motorbikes would not be worth repairing so the new parts sales would cease to exist.

Make it illegal to use any parts that were not produced by the manufacturer for that make and model of motorbike.

Why.

Because that would mean that once the manufacturer ceased to produce parts for that model there would be no parts available other than used parts from a scrap motorbike..That would lead to unsafe parts being used to make repairs, the loss of any classic or vintage motorbikes and once again the loss of the second hand motorbike sales market.

The only people who would gain from these and other restrictions are the government who would police the rules with roadside examinations, tougher MOT's and heavy fines and penalty points.

I realise that you are going to think that these new restrictions are in the interest of protecting the motorcyclist, but consider this..The motorbike is basically an engine on two wheels, and as long as the road surface is subject to oil spills, litter, and cracks it is the most dangerous form of transport to it's user, The danger is mostly when it tips over, not so much when it hit's something, hardly any accidents are caused by engine failure. We as bikers accept this risk and we are probably the best drivers on the road because of it.

This is not the time to concentrate on taking money from the working man by indirect taxation of his cheapest form of transport, this is the time for support.

As a simple project, try to arrange public transport between any two small towns to allow the user to get to work on a three shift job..6am - 2pm ..2pm - 10pm and 10pm - 6am.. These are the shifts I worked..Then try to arrange for a visit from Tredegar in South Wales to Felixstowe in Suffolk by public transport..That is what I have to do to visit my children. Then work out the costs involved and see how much is left for all the other expenses at the end of a working week of say 40 hours for a man on minimum wage, which these days means almost all the working men in Britain.

Until the level and pricing pro rata for public transport is back to what we had in 1950 we need to retain our cheapest form of transport with as few restrictions as possible.

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Requested hope it helps.
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Old 04-08-2011, 10:40 AM
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Thank you Nik
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Old 04-08-2011, 11:16 AM
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Did that yesterday. Wasn't as eloquent as JH though. Good man
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Old 04-08-2011, 11:35 AM
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done it this morning.
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Old 04-08-2011, 01:48 PM
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Old 04-08-2011, 06:28 PM
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Old 05-08-2011, 08:24 AM
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Done and so did my wife (and son and daughter but they dont know it)
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Old 05-08-2011, 10:22 AM
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Old 05-08-2011, 12:03 PM
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Old 05-08-2011, 01:47 PM
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Sir,

As I member of the Motorcycle Action Group (MAG) I am concerned with the lack of accountability with regard to impending motorcycle legislation proposed by the EU Commission.



MAg member Jon Strong has asked for documentation to demonstrate the need for such legislation and proof that the Commission has looked at the proposals failry and without bias: yet it seems that this documentation has not been forthcoming.

I would ask you to intervene and ensure that any such documentation is presented as requested.

The UK has a long and proud history of motorcycling and manufacture.

Under proposed rules, no motorcycle older than seven years old would be allowed in urban areas.

Has anyone considered the very large Classic Bike sector in the UK?

I have a classic motorcycle myself and feel that to select motorcycles only for this restriction is discriminatory in the extreme.



I look forward to your prompt response.
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:25 AM
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Done

Just sent this bit.

<MAG member Jon Strong has asked for documentation to demonstrate the need for such legislation and proof that the Commission has looked at the proposals failry and without bias: yet it seems that this documentation has not been forthcoming.

I would ask you to intervene and ensure that any such documentation is presented as requested.>
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Old 18-08-2011, 10:26 AM
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I have just received an e-mail from the ombudsman


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Dear Sir/Madam,

Thank you for your e-mail of 5 August 2011 to the European Ombudsman concerning complaint 0875/2011/JF.

Please note that the Ombudsman has recently decided to open an inquiry into that complaint, relating to safety of 'Powered Two-Wheelers'.

You may find the details of this inquiry here:

I have been unimpressed with the (unelected) commission for years - they are doing absolutely nothing to prove my fears unjustified.
When each country promotes their failures to the EU commission, what the hell should we expect??
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Old 18-08-2011, 01:08 PM
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Old 18-08-2011, 10:07 PM
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Sent Two e-mails so far one today and one last week. How long is it supposed to take these guys to respond.
Do we as eu members have a right to a responce?
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Old 19-08-2011, 12:35 PM
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There is also a e-petition against EU Anti-tampering proposed legislation for motorcycles


http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/5334

has over 3600.... the more on there the better
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Old 19-08-2011, 12:55 PM
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Got my reply yesterday with all of Jons bumf attached. Very thorough!

Strasbourg , 18.08.2011 S2011-141100

Complaint 875/2011/JF



Dear Sir/Madam,

I refer to your recent request for access to documents concerning the above-mentioned case.

I understand that you wish to receive copies of (i) the original complaint 875/2011/JF; and (ii) my letters opening an inquiry into the above complaint.

Please find attached the relevant documents. Please note that, with a view to protecting personal data, certain names and e-mail addresses have been blanked out in the copy of the complaint released to you.

Please also note that, due to their size, the documents that you requested will be sent in two instalments. If you do not receive the second instalment, this will be likely to be due to the fact that the capacity of your e-mail box is not sufficient to handle it. Should this be the case, please do not hesitate to contact us and we will try to find a suitable solution.

Yours sincerely,

P. Nikiforos Diamandouros

Enclosures: copies of complaint 875/2011/JF and of the Ombudsman's letters dated 1 July 2011.


Bit that worried me slightly is that Jon said that all of his information could be made public with the exeption of anything that would enable identity theft. Not sure I'd be happy that they were sending my name, address, postcode, phone no's, home and mobile and e-mail address out to all and sundry
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I got the reply with all the attachments. This Jon Strong is clever and detrmined bugger, we need more like him.
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Have received my reply and have at last finished reading it. ( There is a lot to it ) I only wish I was as articulate as Jon to enable me to write to the knowalls as well as he did.
If you asked for and received the copies,please read them through to fully understand just what those bastards want to do to us all that ride. If you have not joined MAG then do so to enable them to keep on to the shits as well.
If we all sit back and hope someone else does the job then dont be surprised if these arseholes get their way and prevent us riding what,where and when we want to, on whatever we want to of whatever age we want.
Just imagine some arsole stopping us on the road and confiscating our ride because we like to check ourselves that it is safe and roadworthy, instead of allowing some spotty little scroat at a ( qualified mechanics ) to do it for us.
Dont you just want to exterminate these knowall dumbwits that think they know what is best for us ??
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3 emails to my MP in one day might be pushing it ;P

I've had my bike 6 years now and there is noothing wrong with it!!!!!
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Got an email back today.

Your recent email - 0875-2011-JF-S2011-141723 Inbox
Euro-Ombudsman <EO@ombudsman.europa.eu> Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:13 PM
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Complaint 875/2011/JF



Dear Sir/Madam,

Thank you for your recent e-mail concerning the above complaint.

Please find a link to the documents of the above complaint below.

http://www.ombudsman.europa.eu/short.../html.bookmark

Please note that certain names, e-mail addresses, and professional contact details of public officials, have been blanked out in order to protect personal data rights and limit inappropriate use of contact details.

Yours sincerely,






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Old 02-09-2011, 04:41 PM
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