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Old 15-03-2010, 09:34 PM
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Well it's finaly got to go! the tribute let me down again, so I am reluctantly going to have to sell it, I blew 2, 30 amp fuses on the way down to Mike Marshalls in Cirencester on Saturday, and another 5 just before I got to the airfield on Saturday, 2 AA bike riders had to hotwire it for me so that I could go on the ride to WB, I then had to call for Recovery to get me home.
So I cant afford to keep paying out all the time, although I love the trike I'm afraid the trouble with the wiring has defeated me, so I have got to sell it.
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Old 15-03-2010, 10:48 PM
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Any idea of the fault or is the wiring just goosed?
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Old 15-03-2010, 10:50 PM
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To be truthfull I dont know what the problem is.
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Old 15-03-2010, 10:58 PM
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it blew a main fuse whilst i was strobing the timing, i assumed i had grounded something. replaced the fuse and it was fine.
an earth was also added from each headlight to the main chassis as there was a poor circuit due to steering head bearings.

it has been custom wired but no diagram exists, there are about 16 fuses in the system, not sure why so many.

the air and exhaust are flowing more than the standard pict can cope with, add icing to that and it has running probs.

the carb was rebuilt by myself, tappets adjusted points and timing set. the engine runs fine with good compression, but the aforementioned icing throws all that out the window.
the silencers have to little baffling also.

that sodding electronic speedo has gone tits up (the 2nd one) i shall replace that foc with a different version.
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Old 15-03-2010, 10:59 PM
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Ok so trikes can be a sod at times. Do you realy want to get rid or cure the thing.
If its a cure your looking for.
What type of trike is it and which circuits are blowing.
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Old 15-03-2010, 11:08 PM
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Well I dont know which circuits are blowing because I have no eletrics at all on it, I have had to be recovered 6 times up to now, and with having to have other various things done to it, I cannot justify keeping it to my long suffering wife as it is also affecting our relationship, and we have our 40 wedding anniversary coming up on the 21st of this month.
As well as what it cost me to buy I have spent to much money on it since.
It's a great pity to let it go because of what it represents, and because of what people have done to it for me.
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Old 15-03-2010, 11:10 PM
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Electronic speedo, yep had problems with mine. I suppresed the ignition system and put a radio filter in supply to the speedo unit.
The unit i have on now has lasted 2 years. This weekend i am having to recalibrate it, was passing lots of cars on the M42 and thinking ever body was going slow as i was doing 69mph. Got home quicker than expected.
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Old 15-03-2010, 11:18 PM
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Electronic speedo, yep had problems with mine. I suppresed the ignition system and put a radio filter in supply to the speedo unit.
The unit i have on now has lasted 2 years. This weekend i am having to recalibrate it, was passing lots of cars on the M42 and thinking ever body was going slow as i was doing 69mph. Got home quicker than expected.
interesting idea.

the one fuse block has all 30 amp fuses. about 8 of them. the other one i'm not sure
i'm only capable of basic wiring. the rest is witch craft as far as i'm concerned.

this one fuse blowing killed everything, so naturally assumed that it was classed as the main fuse. but with so many fuses why did it not blow a circuit fuse.

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Old 15-03-2010, 11:25 PM
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It's a great pity to let it go because of what it represents, and because of what people have done to it for me.

Well thats what bikeing and trikings about. Muddeling together to get the best result for each other. And having a laugh at the same time.
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Old 15-03-2010, 11:29 PM
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If the main fuse blows it usualy means that the sum total current from all the other final circuits it feeds is too great for it so it melts.

What sort of fuses are used spade type or glass tubular type.
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Old 15-03-2010, 11:33 PM
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Got to go bed now as im up early tomorrow. But will be back tomorrow evening.
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Old 15-03-2010, 11:41 PM
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What sort of fuses have your got. The capsule type or the blade type?

If its a blade type, get one of these...

http://www.tooled-up.com/Product.asp...ferrer=froogle

You can plug it into a mult-tester and actualy measure the fuse load.

30 amp fuses are BIG for a bike or car. Most circuits only pull a few amps.

Fuse killers are things that have a high "in-rush" curent such as high wattage bulbs, cooling fans, starter solenoid etc

If you have got capsule fuses try and get some slow-blow versions. These can cope with in-rush loads
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Old 16-03-2010, 12:42 AM
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Drak, want me to pop over in the week ?
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Old 16-03-2010, 02:39 AM
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we'll recover it and you are welcome borg. i'm not doing the electrics. your welcome to the invisible menace.
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Old 16-03-2010, 02:51 AM
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Kingo, when you've got a spare day (or so) I'll tell you about Knacker.

Just replaced the electric fuel pump (which a mechanic told me was pretty much overkill for a solex carb) so it goes now. But the front brake calipers have now to come off because they're seized (and I've managed to snap a bleed nipple).

Ho hum

Old trikes are like the bloody Forth Road Bridge. All you can hope for is that the breakdowns come infrequently enough to let you enjoy the thing.

Mine was rewired by a mate.
Haven't had a problem with the wiring since.



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Old 16-03-2010, 02:52 AM
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OK,. get it in, take the tank and other panels off that will help and get some nice coffee and condensed milk in.


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Old 16-03-2010, 06:31 AM
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I have found another source of fuse blowing is the handlebar switches. check there is no chance that the wires can short to the bars. Often the contacts and connections are bare and a stray frayed connection can touch the bars.
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Old 16-03-2010, 08:11 AM
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Dont give up now Kingo its come to far.

Im sure Odie will confirm the following

is there a common dominator - ie did you turn something on or off ??

did u turn teh handle bars ?

the best bet is to check each circuit in turn - this will also help as u will be able to draw a wireing diagram at the same time - slow but the best way except to rip it all out and start again.

you may find its the fuse block itself thats faulty or a block conector but my fav has gotta be wire chaffing against teh frame some where.
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Old 16-03-2010, 08:30 AM
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They are spade fuses, and like Dracken lectrickerey is black magic to me as well.
I am supposed to be riding down to London on it on the 3/4/2010 to be part of a presentation group of RBLR members who are presenting a cheque for 100.000 to the Poppy Appeal, which is the sum that the Riders Branch has raised over the last year.
But I am scared of going anywhere at the moment incase the bloody thing breaks down again.
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Old 16-03-2010, 09:20 AM
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That's the trouble with old/custom looms - they tend to get bodged over the years. The number of times I've had electrical faults on the Changeling is just ridiculous, but it's had twenty years of bodging, y'see.

Thankfully, it's going down to Uncle Budge's soon and he's going to dance backwards round it, chanting and sacrificing chickens (and apparently he's going to do something with the wiring too) and then it'll all be sorted.

If you can find a good auto/bike electrician, Kingo, keep friends with them - they're absolutely invaluable!
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Old 16-03-2010, 03:21 PM
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Shame your not closer mate, I would take a look for the cost of a brew. Electrics can be a black art. Has any one checked the voltage across the battery, could be an over-volt.

I'll be rewiring my chop soon so could always donate some cabling etc to the cause.
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Old 16-03-2010, 03:55 PM
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sound to me like the best idea is to take all the old wiring off and start from scratch, a damn sight easier than fixing a problematic loom!
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Old 16-03-2010, 04:04 PM
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Thats already been done once by Odie.
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mmm, ok then.. if the loom is ok, time to start discounting the bits plugged into it, lights, fan, etc.

(oh and check all earth straps, esp ones from engine, as these can cause a few probs if not attached correctly)
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Check to see that nothing has been caught when the body work / painted parts were re-fitted.
Give me a bell if you get stuck
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P.S there was a wiring diagram in the top box
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Old 16-03-2010, 07:53 PM
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Before we pull everything apart what size was the main fuse.
my trike takes 2 main fuses. 1 supplys the ignition system and starting/ cooling circuit 30Amp
the other the lighting circuits and indicators/ clocks also 30 Amps.
the circuits are then split by other fuses.

When it had a single fuse the thing used to melt over a period of time (months)
this was an overload problem because too much was supplied through it.
if the fuse element can be seen it should look like its melted back at the split plus possible sighns of heat damage.
if there is a short circuit fault then the fuse will of blown away in the middle and bits of metal will be stuck on the plastic fuse body.
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Old 16-03-2010, 08:35 PM
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Willing to come over and have a go at it on the 27/03 saturday if you guys havent sorted it. But like the rest of you i do drink lots of coffee.
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Old 16-03-2010, 08:46 PM
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''I am supposed to be riding down to London on it on the 3/4/2010 to be part of a presentation group of RBLR members who are presenting a cheque for 100.000 to the Poppy Appeal, which is the sum that the Riders Branch has raised over the last year.
But I am scared of going anywhere at the moment incase the bloody thing breaks down again.''

I'm at Bromsgrove, Corner of the M5 and M42 so if you get going and run into trouble we can always recover you to here and sort you out. So you got a half way refuge if you need it.

We also have a big jar of coffee.
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Old 16-03-2010, 09:17 PM
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Im an oddball, you see the thing is that I love the dark arts of sparkery

its a wierd thing, I actually look forward to it LOL

so long as you break it down into individual component circuits then its very hard to get confused

I wish I was closer as I would as others have offered come along and go through it for you

I hate to say it but I would personally bin the lot and start again, sounds like a lot of fuses to me? but the problem with repairing a weak link, is that theres always another weak link just behind it somewhere

I am sorting a problem for a girl on the britchopper forum this friday, chatting with her today it looks like she might have another bike that I have to go through as well. initially I think its just a fault find and component replace, I already have suspects in mind, but sometimes it easier to just start from scratch and then you know that all joints are good, the wires are new etc

its always quite difficult for me to look at someone elses "pride and joy" wiring job and say, lob it in the bin, but I cant put my name to a rewire thats not totally mine.

not trusting a bike or trike is a god awful feeling, you just cant enjoy the ride as you always have a "what if" in the back of your mind.
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Old 16-03-2010, 09:39 PM
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the overall wiring looks fine, i'm guessing as above maybe a handle bar switch. or maybe the coil feed. borg is good with wires so we'll let him have a look over it.
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