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Old 23-06-2009, 01:16 AM
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Default Bikers are soon to become an endangered species



as the heading says
we are all on our way out
many of you might be aware of a website called www.bikernews.net
if not check it out, go back through the 1% news items
all over the world bikers are being targeted
the main (big clubs) are being shut down or targeted
banned from proudly showing the colours they have earned
normal everyday people are being recruited to inform on bikers movements
some might say “that's OK it's the big clubs they are picking on not us small clubs”
But we should all wake up and the Americans say “smell the coffee”
after the Big clubs have gone what's to stop the powers that be from banning the rest of us too!!!!!!!
I am proud to be a biker and they will have to drag me kicking and fighting away from my bike and lifestyle
I don't belong to any formal club or and have no hidden agenda
I just believe that if we don't all stand together
our children and grandchildren will only know what a biker was from history books
We all need to send a message to the governments of the world that they cant get rid of us that easily, and that we will fight for the right to live our lives as we (not they)see fit.

The only way to send a message to our government is by a mass demonstration of bikers maybe in every major city on the same day at the same time


I'm going to post this on all the forums I'm part of and I would ask everyone (if they care about there own lifestyle) to post it on all the forums they are part of

If we manage to get ourselves organised we might be able to save bikers from the history books and keep us, our children and our children's children bikers forever...........

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Of course we are endangered.

We sit over a tank full of explosive fuel on a bloody great engine mounted on a couple of wheels and a few hollow tubes to tie it all together.

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Its not a round robin, its getting serious, dont you think the british old bill have been out to Oz to see whats happening
This stuff is happening every week, but unfortunately some people have their blinkers on!


thius is from the 23rd june
Bikie crackdown 'saved WA $56m'

Western Australia's Police Commissioner says a crackdown on bikie gangs is proving successful.

Operation Jupiter was set up 18 months ago to target organised crime and drug running operations inside the gangs.

Karl O'Callaghan says the operation has led to thousands of charges.

"We've charged 955 people of which 341 belong to bikie gangs. 226 of those were arrested," he said.

"We've laid 2,065 charges of which more than 1,000 were outlaw motorcycle gang people, and this is around the manufacture and distribution of illicit drugs and things like that."

Mr O'Callaghan says the operation is having an impact.

"One of the statistics that I was reading this morning is that the work that Operation Jupiter has been doing around outlaw motorcycle gangs has probably saved the community in Western Australia $56 million in the flow-on problems from the distribution of amphetamines and drugs," he said.

"Amphetamine addiction drives crime, it drives violence in our community, and the bikies are at the centre of the manufacture and distribution of this stuff."

Police are urging residents to 'dob in a bikie' today by calling Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

Assistant Commissioner for Specialist Crime, Wayne Gregson, says Crime Stoppers has received 55 calls since the campaign posters were launched.

"About 48 of those have turned into what we consider useable information so that's really good, that's a very high percentage and that's very encouraging," he said.

"I think that it's indicative that the public has a great confidence in Crime Stoppers."

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Old 23-06-2009, 10:32 AM
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Many countries around the world are giving their police forces the power to clamp down on MC clubs and all of them share information and collectively refine their tactics and methods to gain ever increasing power. When they feel they can succeed, they will move in. It is only a matter of time before those powers will be used on a myriad of social groups, not just bikers. Here are a few examples of who could be at risk. Football fans, Peace Campaigners and Environment Groups such as Greenpeace will all become targets for the powers that be to stamp their authority on.

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Old 23-06-2009, 10:42 AM
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im just home from Oz and the cops there seem to be very anti biker, not just 1%. Even 1% charity runs get targeted and its common for the whole run to be stopped every few miles on the run and everybodys details get taken and every bike inspected and every rider breathe tested.
I talked to a few people in clubs there and from what i here they get a lot of hassle from the cops anytime they go anywere
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Old 23-06-2009, 02:59 PM
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Guilty of something till proven otherwise eh.
Once upon a time the onus of proof was on the Police. They had to prove you were guilty of the crime you were accused of and prove it in court. Ever since Tony B Liar and his cronies moved the goal posts it has become increasingly harder to prove your innocence and a lot easier for the plod to set you up for whatever they had lying on file.
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Thanks for the replies on this thread
I managed to post it on 4 forums
one forum 152 views and only 8 posts
another forum 50 views and only I post
yet another forum 38 views and only one post

and the final forum removed the thread because some of the members couldn't follow the forum rules about naming and disrespecting clubs

some of the posts made a lot of sense, some of them took the piss and some of them think it's all lies

I think this says enough about us as a minority to come to the conclusion that we are F*~#ed
we might as well let the powers that be have our club houses, bikes, leathers and our self respect
If we are not willing to stand together to save our way of life.............................sorry I'm off to bury my head in the sand, then I won't see it coming.......................................What (((THE END)))
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Old 23-06-2009, 06:16 PM
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Truth be told I have often had this conversation with mates mostly to do with the little things like removing bike parking, fines for parking on pavements the things that make life that little bit harder. Tried to convince a load of buds that all of us parking in the local town taking a car bay each for the day would help get the message across but no'one wanted to know.
Just about everyone I know does not bother with there bike unless its a bright sunny day now the wintery roads are strangely absent of bikes not to say this is a bad thing but shows that the bike is falling at the wayside.
I often find myself oddly isolated when parked amongst fellow riders but like you said the times they have changed indeed.
I keep myself to myself now and my opinions I rarely share whether this is good or bad is errelevant to most anyway but I get ya dude.
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Old 23-06-2009, 06:23 PM
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Old 23-06-2009, 06:47 PM
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It seems the Biker is endangered anyway, but Club's are a whole other subject. As I said before on the previous thread about this Police pick on clubs because they make it particularly easy too spot em, ie big patches worn openly.

Bikers are diminishing naturally, it's a age thing look around you at any rally and spot the youngsters ........ they are not there. Gray hair and droopy tits have long since replaced the Black Spandex Jean clad nubile maidens of old. Blame Radio one banning rock music if you like (this came up in subject recently) as this stopped the young girls going to the rock music gigs/ rallies and this in turn stops the young lads joining in with their mopeds and 100cc bikes .... so the biker image dies out with the Rock charts being formed (Rock music wouldn't go away so they created a alternate chart so they did not have to play it on mainstream radio). It's no longer mainstream so no longer attracts the youth audience.

Food for thought anyway.
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Old 23-06-2009, 07:36 PM
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I wrote a 'Last Words' piece for AWoL around the turn of the century called 'Reinvention' - basically saying that the scene had to reinvent itself or face simple extinction.

Ten years on from that, most rallies are still dishing up the same old / same and old - the new blood needed is STILL not coming in, as the scene has nothing to interest them --- and we are all ten years older.

Why do you think there are ads in 100% for wank lines with grannies on the other end? To cater to the ageing audience, I shouldn't wonder... :rolleyes
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We all look to the bike clubs when this is mentioned but really its happening to each and every one of us that ride a bike and lets be honest sticking together is the last thing we all do.
Fact they got the message years ago. Use the health and safety bullshit to price the newcomers of the road. I mean it cost me Ten Pounds to take my test, (not that long ago I might add)
Now my son spent Hundreds on training only for some dick to fail him, which lets face it is getting easier and easier.
Then in the end some twat in a car hit him from behind and wrecked his bike.
I dont know what it costs to get through a bike test these days but I`m sure I remember Six Hundred pounds being bandied about.
Its always the same. Hit them in their pocket. Object to their Rallies as much as possible. Stop em search em give em hassle, just get em off the road.
The kids see all this and note how much it costs and think hang on, I can get a car for cheaper. Warmth. Comfort. A dry fumble in the back seat........
Job done, the powers that be win again.
I could go on but I`d only put a few noses out of joint and I need all the friends I havent got.
Guess in the end we gotta enjoy it while we can.
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Old 23-06-2009, 08:54 PM
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There are a lot of truths in this thread and the one that is the most relevant is the fact that there is nothing to attract young, legal riders. The music is old hat, I never liked Rock that much anyway as I prefer something with a dance beat. Bikes & biking has become an extremely expensive way of getting about, which is why we have so many Corporate/Estate Agent tossers riding and increasing the accident rate. They know nothing of biking lifestyle and care even less. Perhaps because Rappers got into sports bikes and footballers into Harleys (which says something about the 'Bikers are Gay' thread on a football site, when their heroes ride bikes) there has been some take up into the scene as well as our kids/grandchildren getting educated young. The downside, of course, is cost with a decent lid, bike and leathers costing an arm and a leg along with ever increasing test costs and difficulties getting to testcentres and passing.

We have to change, just a steam replaced the horse and petrol replaced steam, we are living dinosours....

I see a lot of scooter boys on their 50cc rides and maybe they will want to move up to larger machines as time goes on, but at the age they can move up it would be easier to get a car and pass that test. Bikes used to mean one of two things.... Cheap transport or rebellion. It's hard to rebel against a rebellion that no longer has a meaning in this day and age. Perhaps when it gets to be near impossible to pass a bike test then the rebellion has new meaning. I belong to MAG and I know some peeps do not agree with them, but at least they are fighting. Maybe not the way that you may feel suits your view but a fight is a fight. There are other campaign groups out there and if you want to fight join one that suits your viewpoint. Apathy Rules! is an old slogan and still applies today, use it or lose it.
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There were plenty of folks at the FYP with L Plates on their bikes. Fair enough, not a huge amount percentage wise, but they are getting out and about. We do need to encourage new blood into the lifestyle so perhaps folks advertising their rally or even the organisers of the FYP could put details on some of the forums aimed at a wider range of riders.
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I see a lot of scooter boys on their 50cc rides and maybe they will want to move up to larger machines as time goes on, but at the age they can move up it would be easier to get a car and pass that test.
Cars: At 17, they can take Theory Test, Practical Test, and then get any car they want - and can afford.

Bikes: At 17, they can take Theory Test, Off Road Test (= old Part 1, basically), On Road Test... and then have to ride a 33bhp restricted bike for two years after the test.

In the five years I've been a fulltime Car Instructor, I have had just two pupils in for car test who have passed their bike test first (and I have a full box file of A4 sheets, 1 per pupil, of those who have passed their car test and have no further interest in 2 wheels, if they ever had a scooter in the first place.)

So here's the stark hairy naked truth, Brothers and Sisters;

(i) When they come to me, 95% of them have already sold their scooters to fund driving lessons.

(ii) Y'know the New Driver Act? This is where, if you get 6 or more points on your licence within 2 years of passing your test, you revert to Learner and have to pass both tests again... which doesn't wipe the points off your licence.

Currently, approximately 1000 new drivers per month are losing their licences to this; but only around 2-300 per month are re-passing their tests. (Figures from DSA)

So what about the other 7-800 per month who are not re-taking their tests? Driving illegally, of course, as the fines are about one tenth the cost of insuring a small car when you're 17 and have 6 points.

And if you're already driving without a licence or insurance - what's the point of sticking with a Fiesta when you can get a Beemer for less than a grand? Now that's much more like it for pulling girls and impressing their mates... so if they can't be bothered to re-do what they have already passed once, how many do you think are going to go through a multi-stage bike testing regime and end up on a 33bhp bike?
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Cars: At 17, they can take Theory Test, Practical Test, and then get any car they want - and can afford.

Bikes: At 17, they can take Theory Test, Off Road Test (= old Part 1, basically), On Road Test... and then have to ride a 33bhp restricted bike for two years after the test.

In the five years I've been a fulltime Car Instructor, I have had just two pupils in for car test who have passed their bike test first (and I have a full box file of A4 sheets, 1 per pupil, of those who have passed their car test and have no further interest in 2 wheels, if they ever had a scooter in the first place.)

So here's the stark hairy naked truth, Brothers and Sisters;

(i) When they come to me, 95% of them have already sold their scooters to fund driving lessons.

(ii) Y'know the New Driver Act? This is where, if you get 6 or more points on your licence within 2 years of passing your test, you revert to Learner and have to pass both tests again... which doesn't wipe the points off your licence.

Currently, approximately 1000 new drivers per month are losing their licences to this; but only around 2-300 per month are re-passing their tests. (Figures from DSA)

So what about the other 7-800 per month who are not re-taking their tests? Driving illegally, of course, as the fines are about one tenth the cost of insuring a small car when you're 17 and have 6 points.

And if you're already driving without a licence or insurance - what's the point of sticking with a Fiesta when you can get a Beemer for less than a grand? Now that's much more like it for pulling girls and impressing their mates... so if they can't be bothered to re-do what they have already passed once, how many do you think are going to go through a multi-stage bike testing regime and end up on a 33bhp bike?
So, so true ... sadly.
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So do we put our feet up and say, oh well thats the way it is, and thats the way it will stay?

Why are we in this situation, did Mag n the BMF not get enough support to fight legislation?

The last real protest I remember was for leg protectors when piccadilly was brought to a standstill!

If the powers that be attack us via our events, the clubs, groups that arrange the events, what hope is there

As with the very 1st post in this thread ( which some thought boring )
we have to make a stand before its too late

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So do we put our feet up and say, oh well thats the way it is, and thats the way it will stay?

Why are we in this situation, did Mag n the BMF not get enough support to fight legislation?
Most have done just that - MAG membership has always been a small fraction of the UK biking population.

And as aforementioned, the biking scene has, in the main, carried on partying like it's 1985 for all of the 20th Century so far.

I'm going to stake my claim here, as the first rally DJ on the scene to start playing a wide variety of music, including Nu-Metal, around 2000 - 2001, as an alternative to the usual classic-rock-only rally disco.

At the time and because of this, I was harassed, threatened and abused on a very regular basis for this - but the reward was the young people at rallies who came up to me to say how good it was to hear something different / up to date. I used to keep a clock going, as to how soon someone would come up and tell me 'Stop playing this crap and play some Proper Music' - very rarely did the clock get past half an hour before this started.

Bookings dropped off after 2002, as rally organisers weren't booking 'That DJ who plays all that modern crap' - but now every rally disco plays Nu-Metal. It's not 'Nu', people, it's TEN YEARS OLD now, and not the music kids are listening to any more.

So - as I said ten years ago - until we have something to offer the younger biker, they are going to go elsewhere for entertainment; and as our numbers dwindle, we are a nice easy target for the authorities to legislate us out of existence - not too many voters to p1ss off but of course they can proudly state to be Doing Something Positive for road / public safety.

I think I may have to dig up 'Reinvention' for a retrospective re-post...
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I was doing that in the 90's mate as anyone who attended the Wigan Peer Rallys at Haigh Hall, and several other North West Rallys will attest. Me and my mate Stu along with Paul The Stall from the Woz Wolf grabbed the chance to get away from R&B and Classic Rock, slotting in plenty of Punk, Indie, Grunge, Dance etc to drag the Rally scene kicking and screaming into the new millennium and beyond.

We have developed that formula over the last two decades and it still works. There will always be plenty of new music that folks love to dance to and my own personal music tastes have changed considerably from my younger days when AC/DC and Led Zep were all that mattered to me.

So Ner.

Seriously though, going back to the point of the thread, in order to stay relevant and popular we have to evolve, failure to move forward will inevitably result in decline. Successive governments have gradually made learning to ride as awkward and as difficult as they possibly can.

The way the test was before this latest upgrade was spot on IMHO. A two part test that covered all the bases we would normally encounter on our travels. The car test has not developed in years, in fact the last upgrade was the theory and hazard perception tests that applied to everyone, not just one group of road users. It is my honest and humble belief that driving standards in this country need to be seriously improved. Learner drivers need to be made to understand that driving is not a right, it's a privilege.

I would make all new drivers take a form of CBT just as we have to. I believe that once they pass their test they should be restricted to low powered cars for 2 years just as we have to. I believe that we should have total parity between the bike and car tests to improve driving standards and safety for all roads users.

With equality in the licence regs we would see a rise in folks choosing to ride bikes. Fuel economy, low taxation and the sheer fun of riding will do the rest.
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PG think your missing the point a bit mate, there aint that many young bikers
A lot of people i knew that ride bikes took the bike option because they liked the music and a bike was cheap way to travel ( as opposed to a car) then they really got a love for the bikes over the music
The yougsters that you mention who like the modern rock go to download, reading, sonnisphere, saw loads leaving donny last weekend theyre not on bikes theyre in camper vans etc

We need to worry about what it will be like for the bikers who ride now, before we can worry about the future
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The way the law sees Clubs hasn't changed its just decided to do what it can to stop the clubs, but even this is nothing new look at the way the US went after Sonny Barger and the HA in the states in the late 70's trying to use RICO against the Club (and failing). They will try to escalate things in retaliation to club growth throughout the world. If you look at it the actions the Aus Police have taken are in direct relation to troubles experienced there between clubs.

Music does attract the youngsters but if i's not mainstream ie in what they listen to / download then it will never get to the rally stage. In my Yoof I was listening to groups like Iron Maiden Saxon etc etc and those were the groups I wanted to see, Girls were more the Bon Jovi's but Metal / rock was all over the charts. Sadly not so any more. I was at the Celtic Nation bash a couple of weeks back and there was a brilliant SKA band doing a set on Sat night and that shows again the diversity of music (These back in the day would have been more appropriate on the Isle of White at a scooter rally), but still not mainstream.

It's only the really Big events that can afford the big name bands but even they fail to get Charting bands. Biggest problem at these events is that there is so much hype about clubs and the potential for troubles the Young uns just simply stay away and go to Download festival type events. It's all well and good living the life and being rock hard in your ways but it will scare the kids off. And it's that very attitude that is displayed by many clubs (not normally the Big ones) but the clubs looking up to them, that puts off many from supporting them when subjects like this come up.
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No, we need to get new blood in NOW, or we will just simply become extinct. The less of us there are, the easier a target we become.

More stark, hairy, naked truth then: Yer average small rally in 2009 has nothing to appeal to the young rider that would keep them there over a weekend. Just as yer average rally in 1999 had nothing either (unless me or Grav were DJing!)


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So Ner.
... and just how were you playing Nu-Metal in the 90's? I seem to recall playing Linkin Park's 'Hybrid Theory' at a Hallowe'en party in 2000 = 1 week after it was released...

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Reinvention 2000 plus 2009 commentary...

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Old 25-06-2009, 06:43 AM
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PF, my point is that if we dont start doing something now there will be no scene for you ones, there are a few yougsters, but the we need new blood thing has been going been going round the houses for years, and nothing has changed, we need to worry about the current threats to bikers/rallies etc
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More stark, hairy, naked truth then: Yer average small rally in 2009 has nothing to appeal to the young rider that would keep them there over a weekend. Just as yer average rally in 1999 had nothing either (unless me or Grav were DJing!)
And Creature, can't leave the old feller out can we.



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... and just how were you playing Nu-Metal in the 90's? I seem to recall playing Linkin Park's 'Hybrid Theory' at a Hallowe'en party in 2000 = 1 week after it was released...

(Grav, a beer is long overdue!)
Nu Metal did not start with Linkin Park, it was well on it's way to mainstream popularity with artists such as Coal Chamber, The Deftones and the mighty Korn.

Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit and Slipknot gained fame just as Nu Metal exploded onto the mainstream via MTV and extensive radio and internet air time.

So double ner.


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You don't often see MAG or BMF demonstrations on the street, though there have been successful ones on bridges regarding tolls. I can't speak for the BMF (I'm not a member) but MAG has become a lobby organisation, dealing directly with the DoT and Government with voting power. Remember bikers are voters too! I emailed my MP and asked what plans she had to intigrate motorcycles into a cohesive transport policy. All I got back was a load of 'Blame the EU' bullshit. My response.... If the EU make all our laws, why do I need you. I won't be voting for you. If enough people hassle their MP's about motorcycle related issues, we may get some results......

To hassle your MP, you don't have to be a member of any organisation, just put the bite on.....
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