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Old 05-11-2009, 01:10 PM
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Press Release issued on behalf of Superintendent Simon Shaw, North Wales Police:

On 1st March 2009 Arrive Alive commenced targeted speed enforcement operations on a short stretch of the B4391 at Bala which had been identified as a Community Concern Site (Arrive Alive, renamed GoSafe/GanBwyll, is now part of the Wales Road Casualty Reduction Partnership as of 1st April this year).

At that time it was believed that the speed limit in force was 30mph following a revision by Gwynedd County Council in 1993 of the Traffic order which had previously designated that stretch of the B4391 as a 40mph limit. The stretch of road in question is from the junction of the A494 to some 830 metres south just after the junction of a side road to the Industrial Estate.

Following an enquiry by a member of the public, Gwynedd County Council carried out a review of the relevant road traffic order and discovered that the original road traffic order had not been revoked. Consequently, despite a system of street lighting properly reflecting a 30mph speed limit the section of the road was still in fact the subject of a 40mph speed restriction.

In August 2009 Gwynedd County Council passed on its concerns to the North Wales Police and the Wales Road Casualty Reduction Partnership (Arrive Alive) and speed enforcement was immediately suspended in the area.

Approximately 300 drivers were captured on camera by the Arrive Alive unit, on that stretch of road, travelling in excess of 30mph between 1st March and 31st July 2009. Given that the original order had not been revoked by the Council there was no basis to proceed with the enforcement of any traffic offences.

Accordingly North Wales Police have today written to the drivers involved in order to rectify the situation.

North Wales Police are also investigating the legality of a very small number of other alleged speeding offences on this stretch of road where drivers were stopped and dealt with by Roads Policing officers in the last 5 years.

Gwynedd County Council have been advised of the Partnership decision and are taking steps to rectify the situation.

The individuals concerned will be contacted further in writing in the near future advising them of any action which may be necessary.

North Wales Police have requested that members of the public refrain from contacting them on the general telephone line. Those affected will be advised of the relevant contact details.


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no! north wales plods ineptitude is way beyond a joke by now.
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Actually to be fare this one isn't their fault, the council marked up the road as 30mph and lit is as such. The council believed them.

But it does make you wonder how many similar instances there are around the country where councils have got it wrong and then the Police have relied on the signage for prosecutions.

I just spent my lunch wandering round Reading with a Highways officer with the council to show him what bike parking there actually is as it bears no resemblance to the TRO's they have on record.
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North Wales Police getting caught out issuing illegal speeding fines?

During the reign of Brunstrom the Deranged?

Oh the irony.....
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Actually to be fare this one isn't their fault, the council marked up the road as 30mph and lit is as such.
Any changes to traffic regulations and speed limits must be done in consultation with the local police and any interested party, road safety groups etc.

To say that NW Plod didn't know about it is bollocks, as they are responsible for adding the objections or approval for any road safety bye laws to the relevant group who rubber stamps any changes the local authority proposes. They are also asked for any legal reasons why it should/should not be approved.
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During the reign of Brunstrom the Deranged?

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Actually to be fare this one isn't their fault, the council marked up the road as 30mph and lit is as such. The council believed them.

But it does make you wonder how many similar instances there are around the country where councils have got it wrong and then the Police have relied on the signage for prosecutions.

I just spent my lunch wandering round Reading with a Highways officer with the council to show him what bike parking there actually is as it bears no resemblance to the TRO's they have on record.
But, as Plod would say to you and me, ignorance is no defence
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anyone with enough money to employ an expensive lawyer will get off.

The rest of us can get stuffed.

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I remember this happened down in South Wales as well a few years ago, Newport, Pontypool area I think

What happens to anyone who ended up getting banned because of those points?

Lost their job? cant pay the mortgage? etc
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