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Old 27-06-2008, 08:54 PM
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Default Debate. built or re-built.

Where do we draw the line?. Buy a basket case either a box of bits or a complete pile of shite. You completely rebuild it. Are you the builder because the basic design / frame wasnt welded by you but you stamped your identity on the build. Would you claim that you built it. Bloody sounds complicated but we have all ressurected a pile of donkey shit into a rideable bike. Would you say that the bike was your creation or just say 'I rebuilt it?.'
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Where do we draw the line?. Buy a basket case either a box of bits or a complete pile of shite. You completely rebuild it. Are you the builder because the basic design / frame wasnt welded by you but you stamped your identity on the build. Would you claim that you built it. Bloody sounds complicated but we have all ressurected a pile of donkey shit into a rideable bike. Would you say that the bike was your creation or just say 'I rebuilt it?.'

Umm? good one this. gonna get a lot of debate,methinks
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from a basket, built it. from a rolling or running, rebuilt it.
is that fair?

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mmm, good question, better to explain what you did, how you did it etc, (as long as the other person has enough time that is!!)

most of us have totally rebuilt basket cases, I for one have put more work into 'unfinished' projects than I have new builds!

beware the unfinished project - it can hold many hidden problems
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If you've assembled the bits to concourse, then you've rebuilt it. If you've used something as a starting point but changed it you've customised it. Its interesting the frame thing as a lot of bikes based on old brit bikes are using standard rigid and plunger frames.
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mmm, good question, better to explain what you did, how you did it etc, (as long as the other person has enough time that is!!)

most of us have totally rebuilt basket cases, I for one have put more work into 'unfinished' projects than I have new builds!

beware the unfinished project - it can hold many hidden problems
unfinished projects, bleedin' nightmare, looked good from a distance and should have been left there lmao.
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If you've assembled the bits to concourse, then you've rebuilt it. If you've used something as a starting point but changed it you've customised it. Its interesting the frame thing as a lot of bikes based on old brit bikes are using standard rigid and plunger frames.
starts off simple and gets more complicated as the questions pop up.
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unfinished projects, bleedin' nightmare, looked good from a distance and should have been left there lmao.


e-bay ones tend to be the worst!
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Basket cases! I love e'm! need a brake caliper to keep the old girl running, buy a baskett case for the caliper. Magically half a dozen brake calipers come out of the woodwork. You now have another 'project' not a pile of spares.
I'd say 'resurected' for what I do. Buy a scrappy or even 'it's mostly there' box of engine parts and misc boxes of bits. Then wire brush the rusty bits, Coat with paint. Clean and grease everything and re-assemble with new parts as necesarry. Not restore. Thats if you go fairly original in condition and look. Re build, I'd say is when you leave some of the patina but apply new grease.
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My mate likes the term "Re-Engineered"
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Was einstein from wigan?, are you related. ok thats enough praise. post me a pie an gravy.
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I'd call that a slur on engineering with what I do
pmsl sorry couldnt help that.
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if i build the frame,pop the lump in and do all the other little jobs that end up takin a month to do....then yup ,i built it ...and some..
i can see this thread getting a bit complicated....
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me too, but then again I am a wanker.
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How about "It is no longer as it left the factory"? Think that covers it.

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got the xs off ackyboy road it as was,stripped it down,made rear muddy, rearsets ,lekie box,muddy braces,exhaust system,re wired the thing,sprayed it,got apes for it,re built the engine,different front end and rear wheel,new brake system,various small jobs etc,so yep in my eyes i built it,before

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recommissioned / rebuilt - made useable ?

restored - as original ?

built - assembled to own spec ?
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If you didn't make the parts you rebuilt it...or even built it out of scrap..but not just 'built it'...John
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Good question Donovan, and one which does throw up a lot of answers and definitions! I think it's like V8 says - be straight about what you've done. After all, a lot of professional builders don't necessarily use their own frames, for a start. And he's right too about 'beware of the basket case'. When I first got into this game many centuries ago, I used to be a bit bemused by the ads for 'Project - 90% complete', and think 'Why not bother finishing it, you'd get more for it'. I was very young and foolish then and didn't realise that the last 10% of a bike tends to take 90% of the time... (And the ones advertised as 99% complete - avoid, 'cause that means that last one per cent is something that's a nightmare/unobtainable/doesn't-work-and-no-one-knows-why!)
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from a basket, built it. from a rolling or running, rebuilt it.
is that fair?

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Sounds right to me

BTW,good piece in BSH
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If you didn't make the parts you rebuilt it...or even built it out of scrap..but not just 'built it'...John
built and fabricate are different
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built and fabricate are different
Yeah.

You build houses, but you fabricate lies.

On the whole I prefer the word "made".
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Yeah.

You build houses, but you fabricate lies.

On the whole I prefer the word "made".
no i dont
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built and fabricate are different
And assemble and build are different too, as OCC has proved time and again.
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There was a great advert in BSH this month.
Harley Davidson Sportster chopper, 1974. Complete, less engine.

I've got about eight bikes like that that are complete less frame, wheels, electrics...
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Old 28-06-2008, 08:09 PM
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I tend to 'resurrect' bikes... especially mine, after its smash four years ago... made it into something that is much better than the standard bike ever was.
And as for Mrs R's bike, I've 'tweaked' it for her, making it better than it was when she bought it (what with the bars, electrickery and exhaust, plus major mechanical gubbins).
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