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Old 11-05-2008, 10:49 PM
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Default Brake disks - where do i get them?

OK... latest dodgy rattle is one of my front disks - going to have to get both obviously, but where does cheap, but not crap brake disks? I understand the wavy ones are much cheaper, and i'm told good, any thoughts? Opinions?

I've known about this particular problem for some time so its not a surprise. The rubbers have perished and the disk has a fair bit of free movement. I got warned about it some years ago tho, so hey ho...
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Old 11-05-2008, 10:58 PM
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Don't get EBC discs unless you fancy freeing them off with a hammer and screwdriver every winter morning.

They are quite cheap, but utter wank.
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Kylie get the discs looked at first on the Bike

if there free floaters there meant to Rattle
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yup, floating disks are supposed to rattle. however, if they are moving excessively, but the disks themselves arent that worn, then you can still buy just the metal bobbins that hold the disk on the rotor, and replace just them. a whole load better and cheaper than replacing the whole disk .
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Kylie get the discs looked at first on the Bike

if there free floaters there meant to Rattle
I agree with this... what rubbers?? The discs should be bolted directly to the wheel and float a few mil on the fixings. The only time you should need to change them is when they are worn below their serviceable limits or are worn uneven and destroying pads rather quickly.
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I've been told they're not floating discs

And it was the MOT test place that told me they had too much movement in them about 3 or 4 years ago... they actually told me it wouldnt pass next years test... but somehow it managed! I dont think its dangerous (yet) or i wouldnt ride it, but i am pretty sure they need doing. I think Grav may have poked them a while ago, but I'll be at Creatures at the weekend so if anyone fancies having a look at them feel free
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If you think you have a problem with the front brakes, please get someone to check them out properly for you. (Not assuming you know nothing, just hate the thought that you may have dodgy brakes).

If the discs are down to the minimum wear limit, they need replacing. If they are not floating discs and you have a rattle, there is something wrong.

Someone that knows what they are doing will be able to tell you in seconds what needs doing. It is not rocket science. If you need any parts or have not had the brakes serviced recently have a complete front brake overhaul. By hell you will notice the difference.

I can get you brake discs, pads, master cylinder repair/service kit. Doubt if I have them in stock but I can get them in a couple of days. Need make model, year to get you a price. Dracken may have the stuff you need on the shelf and I think he is nearer to you.

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I've already been told ages ago (by a mechanic!) they were on their way out - one is now worse than the other... I've asked where to get the discs from and will get them and replace them (sure that will be plenty of fun in itself!).

Its a Suzuki GSX 600FM, 1991.

The callipers are fine, they've been done recently, and the discs have LOADS of metal left on them, its just these rubber thingys (no idea what they're called) have started to perish which is why they're now rattling.

I can persuade my grandpa to lend me the money for something thats as important as brakes, but i need to know how much to ask for, so until i know where the best place is to get them, and how much they are etc i can't do that.

My last resort if i can't get any suggestions is Powersport, who will no doubt supply me with EBC discs which someone has already said are pants!

No-body has given me an opinion on the wavy vs normal disc question either... is there a difference? The only person who's given me any opinion is a mate who doesnt know a great deal but says wavy are better because they dont get as hot.. is that right?
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Oh... and yes the braking is fine - not deteriorated since uncle grav helped me put the new callipers on. I can still stop way quicker than the person riding behind me yesterday!!!! Very nearly got rammed up the arse!
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Old 12-05-2008, 09:05 AM
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Behave Grav! Do you remember looking at those discs? I'm sure you agreed they were on their way out but were still ok for the time being?

Oh.. and if I bring her over.. will you help me?
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I remember that they were OK, but would need replacing in around a year depending on how much you used them. Is it around a year ago since we did the callipers?
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I remember that they were OK, but would need replacing in around a year depending on how much you used them. Is it around a year ago since we did the callipers?
Yup And a little bit more... and you know what i'm like for using brakes... not very often but when i do its hard ooer mrs
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Get saving up then, front discs can be a tad expensive. They will last a while longer, but now is the time to sort them out.
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Get saving up then, front discs can be a tad expensive. They will last a while longer, but now is the time to sort them out.
Strange, i was thinking exactly the same thing when i posted this...

Just need to know how much to save/scav/borrow. Looking at around 200 in the places i've been looking.
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hi kylie
your brake disc should look like this yes??


that is a floating disc. the centre is not fixed rigid to the outer, those little rings you see allow the disc to move.

i will pm you a price for standard and for wavy as requested... but to be honest i'd stick to standard.
less expensive and they have a greater braking area usually
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Yes it looks exactly like that - i can go take a picture of mine if it helps.

I was told they werent floating ones.. hey ho, shows you how much mechanics really know sometimes! Cos it was the MOT mechanic that told me that cos i asked him if they werent meant to do that cos i thought they were floating ones, and he said they werent and no they werent supposed to move.
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Yes it looks exactly like that - i can go take a picture of mine if it helps.

I was told they werent floating ones.. hey ho, shows you how much mechanics really know sometimes! Cos it was the MOT mechanic that told me that cos i asked him if they werent meant to do that cos i thought they were floating ones, and he said they werent and no they werent supposed to move.
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I don't...

I bribe uncle grav with bacon sandwiches and tea to help me with repairs. I like to either have done work myself or have seen it done cos then i know that a. its been done, and b. its been done proper
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just read your pm kylie.
i honestly believe you have got things a little mixed up.

you refer to a "tester" you must mean "tosser"

you say the mot tosser failed the discs because they are rigid ones and not meant to move..
crap they are floating discs and will move.
little bit puzzled by what you refer to as "rubbers" there should be no rubbers involved were brake discs are concerned.. could he have been referring to the calipers?
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just read your pm kylie.
i honestly believe you have got things a little mixed up.

you refer to a "tester" you must mean "tosser"

you say the mot tosser failed the discs because they are rigid ones and not meant to move..
crap they are floating discs and will move.
little bit puzzled by what you refer to as "rubbers" there should be no rubbers involved were brake discs are concerned.. could he have been referring to the calipers?
No the rubber bit is me.. it looks like there is rubber or something in the holes where it moves.

And he didnt fail it - just said it wouldn't pass the next year cos there was too much movement in them... but then passed it the next 2 or 3 times

It is however the same place that didnt notice when the new tests came in that they had my bike down as a bandit not a gsx....

Anyway - pretty sure that when one moves a whole lot more than the other one there's probably something going off that shouldnt be... I could hear it (i think.. it was something) rattling while i was braking yesterday which is what triggered me to think it was time i did something about replacing them.

If I could think of anywhere that could look at them and tell me whether they're bolloxed or not i would take the bike down at lunch or on the way home, but i am not familiar with bike garages round here, just parts suppliers.
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floating discs are more expensive by design.
best price i can do is 102.25 each plus shipping

but i WOULD REALLY GET THEM CHECKED MY SOMEONE WHO AT LEAST KNOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGID AND FLOATING DISCS.

i don't have the wear limits handy for that early model 600
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floating discs are more expensive by design.
best price i can do is 102.25 each plus shipping

but i WOULD REALLY GET THEM CHECKED MY SOMEONE WHO AT LEAST KNOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGID AND FLOATING DISCS.

i don't have the wear limits handy for that early model 600
There's loads of disc left, so they're definitely not worn out in that respect... will see if i can find somewhere that can look at them. Not had much luck with mechanics and brakes because i took it in to a couple of places when the brakes were seriously dodgy and none of them noticed that the calliper was split - Grav was the first person to spot it. And yes there was a main dealer involved in that too!
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It should give you the service limits in your manual. Kylie.
My Haynes destroy it yourself book you mean

It's at home, will look at it tonight.
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How RUDE!!!!!!!!

Off up to the other site now, and have arranged to take it to see a nice man at a bike shop at lunch for a good look at and price quote. This place have been relatively good on price for parts before, not the best but we shall see what they offer. Havent promised to buy anything!
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the wear limit or the disk will be stamped on the disk carrier(inner bit) on a suzuki it will say min-th (min thickness) and usually 4.5 or 5mm ish! but as they are floating disks, and you claim that the disks themselves arent worn, then try and price up a set of the disk bobbins and just replace the mountings. they can be bought for a hell of a lot less than new disks.
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