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Old 24-04-2007, 08:08 AM
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Exclamation 2008 Motorcycle Test - Part 1 back again!

Here's what they have lined up for you next year...

http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Category.asp?cat=405

Link to diagrams of offroad exercises --> HERE (pdf)

Now doesn't this look like the old Part 1 test...? That we were told we wouldn't have to do any more when they brought CBT in...?
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Old 24-04-2007, 08:29 AM
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# and one manoeuvre avoiding an obstacle at a minimum speed of 50 km/h (31.1 mph)
And thats breaking the law in htis country.
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Old 24-04-2007, 08:32 AM
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the oldman set up some of the first star rider trainnig in lampeter with ivor i was only a kid but went to every one stuck on the back of 400 4 t reg sundays turned into a free ride out for all and more teas to make. lads called around for yrs got up one night for a pee and fell over a stair case of lids people from france riders club (NOT HARLEYS)come for a coffee

it was not good to see the riding standed and at the time you just got on the road and ride kids where killing themselves !!

dad had a passion to help , with roadcradt or basic mechs, he would help any one four tins of the black stuff would of got you a 2 stroke full rebuild (LABOUR ONLY)
and a packet of fags was the best for a cheap job

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Old 24-04-2007, 08:43 AM
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That looks a bit complicated for a learner. Not many will pass that first go...or second...looks more like an olympic event...The first thing it suggests to me is that instructors are going to make a lot of money, and the course owners are going to make a lot of money, and the test centres are going to make a lot of money, and motorcycling is going to become a rich persons activity...the next step is to cut down the validity of the CBT from two years to one...gotta be a joke?...John
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sorry john i rode bikes as a kid. stuff we just got running.as did most of the people i know, i do me bit to train help younger riders as it keeps it alive.
kids round here very little monies
i will sort there bikes, warn them of things that are wrong

i would love the day the first part for a car test is taking and passing your bike test but thats not going to happen.

other day turning into my pot hole shared lane bike copper (bloody speed cam strapped to his bike but fare ) asked me to pop around to the owner of the moped in the main street.With the canvas on tyre .could i ask the owner to remove the bike from the highway and get a new tyre fitted not my job i know but i did it . the mother said owner was not in but would pass on the message .

i dont ever wont to see a nother bike crash
i wont people to ride bikes
i wish training was free
i spent 1500 on a a4 paper that tells me i am an electrician
and in five yrs i will have to do the same
ontop of membership (500 a year )
plus u have to buy there paper work not cheap


a test is a one off payment for bikers
and if its monies for a bike i would of found it as a kid
paper rounds sat sun jobs etc
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That looks a bit complicated for a learner. Not many will pass that first go...or second...looks more like an olympic event...The first thing it suggests to me is that instructors are going to make a lot of money, and the course owners are going to make a lot of money, and the test centres are going to make a lot of money, and motorcycling is going to become a rich persons activity...the next step is to cut down the validity of the CBT from two years to one...gotta be a joke?...John
The exercises are basically what you do on CBT but to a higher standard - the CBT on-road session includes u-turn and emergency stop, for example.

But it is basically the old Part 1 back again... and yes it will cost a lot of to get through it all (like it doesn't already )

Oh yeah and also... on 3 September, the Theory Test goes up to 50 questions (from 35 currently) with a pass mark of 43 (currently 30). It already went up for PSV / LGV on 2 April, to 60 questions.

And yes it will cost more because it takes longer to do.
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And thats breaking the law in htis country.
Which is why all the test centres are being told they need to find a big patch of tarmac to do it on, because our government won't be pragmatic like the french are with new lawa. They are saying it says 50kph so even though we use mph we won't convert it to the nearest sensible alternative we'll stick with an impractical number
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My mate runs a bike school
he told me that people taking the test now have to do a push U turn
wtf for? its got a bloody dirty great engine

and what if they just tested you on the spot and rode a goldwing
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more biker rules made by vermin that don`t ride or understand the concept of biking.
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a big patch of tarmac to do it on
...that is the size of a Premier League football pitch.

Talk already is of hiring them out to training schemes outside of test times (i.e. evenings and Sunday, basically) to try and get there back. But they will stick the test costs up as well, of course...
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1) To legislate against something undesirable but popular without banning it.

2) To generate income from those that can afford it.
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My mate runs a bike school
he told me that people taking the test now have to do a push U turn
wtf for? its got a bloody dirty great engine

and what if they just tested you on the spot and rode a goldwing
It's been part of the test for over seven years now... I've done it... and so has my wife! You push it round first, then ride it round a u-turn.

If you ride a wing on your test, you're a dumb arse aren't you?
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It's been part of the test for over seven years now... I've done it... and so has my wife! You push it round first, then ride it round a u-turn.

If you ride a wing on your test, you're a dumb arse aren't you?
That makes sense..if I had to do my test again I would use the smallest bike I could get away with...and then probably fail... John
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its virtually no different to the standard any decent school already teaches its students......

and to quote mitch you WOULD have to be a dumbass to do ya test on a wing


adequate traing cuts road fatalities...........

even if you just drill the fact that most road users are w@nkers into the students skull and get them to look out a little more it all helps......

ive worked in schools that just used to give out cbt's to any one with the cash and ive worked in schools that TRAIN people

guess where i sent my wife to.........
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Ive actually done the new test, did it at cardington last year when i did my CBT instructors weekend, first part is off the road, Push U-turn then ridden U-turn, ride bike into a garage (4 cones represent the garage) push the bike backwards and into another garage (cones again) 2 spaces away, then ride off and do figure of 8 in a massive 8 (dead easy)then ride at 50kmh around a left hand bend (70 degrees i think it was but cant remember now) go through a speed camera to make sure your not going too slow and swerve left to avoid 2 cones representing a pedestrian, then ride the bend again but this time no avoidance, just an emergency stop from 50kmh again and you must stop within the 2 white lines, then you get to do the U-turn all over again, lucky buggers
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Guyver... lucky sod. I never made it to Cardington, thanks for the school I worked for getting bought out by a complete twonk near with BigBod lives. The sort of asshole who sent people away without teaching them properly.

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ive worked in schools that just used to give out cbt's to any one with the cash and ive worked in schools that TRAIN people

guess where i sent my wife to.........
That's why I ended up teaching Mrs R mesen in the end, as I got peeved - the school I trained at closed down soon after I got mine - I went past a few months ago and it looks like there has never been a training school there (Cinque Ports in Lydd) - as in nature's really come back with a vengeance, everything's all overgrown.

If anyone's interested, you can do a proper practice theory test on the DSA site. I did it again for a laugh last week, and to see if I still had it. I got 32 out of 35
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I also never made it to Cardington --- the training scheme I had my CBT1 with said they couldn't employ / train me as a DAS instructor unless I committed to doing 2 weekends per month on CBT (which of course is where they make most of their money)... and after 15 years of doing them I didn't really want to give up even more of my weekends for 50 quid a day!

My old drinking buddy (The owner and CEO, President of the MRTA) is now trying to lure me and my Harley back to be a Riders' Edge Instructor... (bike training on Harleys via the dealerships)

... don't think I'd be cut out for it though, you could imagine the briefings:

"... Now we move on to basic riding gear. The helmet is the only legal requirement, and naturally should be open face or ideally a 'beanie' style --- but of course certain other items are pretty much de rigeur for anyone with any common sense.

So here we have a pair of chaps, detailed with tassles and conchos, and sporting the Harley-Davidson (TM) logo embroidered down the leg and across the rear..."
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The helmet is the only legal requirement, and naturally should be open face or ideally a 'beanie' style

So here we have a pair of chaps, detailed with tassles and conchos, and sporting the Harley-Davidson logo embroidered down the leg and across the rear...
What you talkin' 'bout, Willis? That's your normal riding kit ...

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What do you need to do and how much does it cost to become an instructor?

I'm being inquisitive, but if this job hunting lark doesn't start turning up results a change of direction is needed...
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What do you need to do and how much does it cost to become an instructor?

I'm being inquisitive, but if this job hunting lark doesn't start turning up results a change of direction is needed...
some schools train you for nowt some charge

its rare to make a living wage out of it though
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I'm being inquisitive, but if this job hunting lark doesn't start turning up results a change of direction is needed...
Depends on how far up the ladder you want to go.

First up, you can be 'down trained' by a training school to be a CBT instructor, with a CBT1 licence. Once you have one of those you go to Cardington for 2 days (inc. exams) to get a CBT1C - this allows you to perform CBT's only, but also to supervise and down-train up to 10 other CBT instructors on a CBT1.

After that, back to Cardington for another 1/2 day assessment / test to gain your Direct Access (DAS) licence.

And like he said, hard to make a living off it, which is why I chose The Path To The Dark Side... some schools will charge you for training, others will do it for nothing but tie you to a contract to work for them for a period of time afterwards in order to get their money back.

And most will have some kind of clause that prevents you setting up your own school or working for a local competitor for a year or two after you have left!
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Taff, any idea how much the new test is going to cost?
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Taff, any idea how much the new test is going to cost?
Which one, Theory or Practical?

New Theory comes in on 3rd Sept, going up to 28.50 from 21.50 currently (see --> HERE <--), and THIS is all the DSA are telling us ATM about the Practical Test.

But the short answer will be 'More', basically. More info as I get it...

...interestingly enough, while I'm on here - I've been summoned for an Instructor Check Test in 6 weeks time. Should be done every 3-5 years, it's been less than 2 years since my last one. Wonder if it's connected to this thread at all...?
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me 16yr old daughter has done her cbt and is working on the theory paper. should get her through main test in august so hopefully will miss the new changes.
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me 16yr old daughter has done her cbt and is working on the theory paper. should get her through main test in august so hopefully will miss the new changes.
Have a look at the DSA website <www.dsa.gov.uk> and then click on the appropriate links for the theory test. You get two goes for nothing, then if you want to continue, you have to pay a small sub.

the best books to get are 'Motorcycling, the Essential Skills' and the 'Official theory test for MOTORCYCLES' (if you order it from a shop, they might think you want the cars one - both tests are different). both published by the DSA. The latter has different tests you can do to practice. The DSA theory book is by far the most accurate.

Eeeeeeeh, I wish the training schools down here weren't run by total gits! I'd have a go again in the summer. I quite enjoyed it - but it's knackering sometimes.
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