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Old 09-08-2006, 12:35 PM
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going from past experience with me and my trike i have a full toolkit on board today Bulldog or Bust (see trikes are good for something LOL)

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Old 09-08-2006, 12:44 PM
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So i've fitted an ammeter in me side panel.
Sounds like a great idea, but I'm a bit concerned about the connector marked 'MINE'. Is that an anti-theft device? Blow the buggers up?

I carry the tool kit that came with the bike, plus a multi-tool (which includes screwdriver heads and a couple of torx bits), pressure gauge, tread depth gauge, a piece of electrical wire which is twice the length of the bike, electrical tape, fuses, a couple of scotch-locks & block connectors, pliers, wet-wipes (for hand and visor cleaning) and my trusty mobile phone.

The best bodge I did was when my throttle cable snapped at the grip end. I used a block connector to connect the end of the cable to a length of electrical wire and then wrapped the wire round the throttle grip. Very basic but it got me home.
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Old 09-08-2006, 01:31 PM
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vehicle wiring products or electrex, google them for the sites, both do mail order.
Get all my stuff from VWP.
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indeed, they are utter shiite, look amateur, and arent really intended for external use.


And scotchloks are IMO the work of the Devil, whoever came up with them should have had his entire family burned alive before he was ritually slaughtered. Twist and tape is far superior.
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Twist and shrink is great, and what I would use in a loom, but tape is more general purpose for side of the road stuff. The pre insulated connectors I always found a bit suceptible to vibration failures compared to the separates.
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Old 09-08-2006, 02:46 PM
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My bestest bodge was was my main in line fuse went and I really did fix it with a fag packet. Was paranoid all the way home that I could smell smoke tho! (Only coz I'd convince myself that it was going to catch fire ) so I had to ride really fast to get home quick lol
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Well I made the bad mistake of not aquiring enough tape when I finished work. I did however manage to hold on to several hundred metres of different sized shrinkfit.
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Poor planning old chap I managed to get the entire contents of the R&D stores


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Use the wrong size wire in the wrong size receptacle, crimp it once and you have the usual standard of bike wiring butchery that people come across. This is what gives these connectors the undeserved bad reputation. I used to use lots of them and never had a problem but now my supply has dried up , I buy the jap type ones from vehicle wiring products and use an expensive ratchet double crimp tool to achieve a good standard.
True enough, the pressed tin crimpers cant get a decent crimp on the pre insulated terminals, even the expensive double ones we had to get recalibrated about once a month. I use the VWP jap ones as well, but I have to make do with a single crimper used twice.
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Twist and shrink is great, and what I would use in a loom
Really? It was someone doing a 'twist and shrink' job on my old GS that caused the wiring to overhead and set on fire, because of the increased resistance at the joint. The guy who sorted it for me said that anyone who does 'twist and shrink' should be shot.

I take your point on scotchloks though - once they're on, they're on, and if you did it wrong, it's tough sht.
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Old 09-08-2006, 05:02 PM
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I carry short inch and halfish lengths of single wire shrink wrap ready cut in me tool bag and twist and shrink with a lighter at side of the road.
I hate electrical tape, especially in awkward spots and/or on mucky/oily wire.
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I should do that as well, the tape is useful for other bodges as well tho.

On the twist and shrink thing, most of the phone system is hooked up that way. If its done properly its a good joint, if its done badly its as bad as anything else. It doesnt suffer from fatigue like a soldered joint does. The usual problem with twisted joints is that they work loose (because they havent been taped or shrinked properly, and/or the wire isnt properly restrained) and arc, and the arc does all the damage. A decent twisted joint shouldnt have any appreciable resistance.
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Old 09-08-2006, 05:56 PM
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Oh i often have a big roll of clear gaffar type tape at rallies etc
great for fixing Nnumber plates etc
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Old 09-08-2006, 09:38 PM
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What are / is the following:

twist and shrink??

Scotchlocks?

I could google it but i'd rather know what they are and what they are good/bad for?


cheers ... Agreed this is a cracking thread and I obviously need to get my act together on the tool front cos the RAC card isn't adequate.
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Tools?
As in weapons?

Oh , them kinda tools........
Wouldn't now how to use them, so if I was on the road, I would carry me fone. I know how to use that ok...........
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so what kinda tools did you have in mind juke


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twist and shrink??
Scotchlocks?
Twist and shrink is a remarkably simple way of joining two, or a broken, wire.
Strip the plastic sleeving off the last 10-15mm of both bits of wire.
Slde a bit of heat-shrink tubing over one of 'em.
Twist the two exposed bits of wire together tightly and neatly, with no stray strands sticking out, to join 'em up.
Slide the tube over the copper join, and warm it up with a lighter or summat.
Shrinks round wire and join, makin it all neat and watterproof, and holds it in place if you got the right fit.

Scochlocks are these;
They'll get you home, but they are wank and they look wank.
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Slide the tube over the copper join, and warm it up with a lighter or summat.
Shrinks round wire and join, makin it all neat and watterproof, and holds it in place if you got the right fit.

Scochlocks are these;
They'll get you home, but they are wank and they look wank.
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Cheers Taff. BTW I thought your built in volt meter was a bloody sensible idea. ... also liked your emergency windscreen removal tool

So in the same vein , is there a definitive list of 'must haves' for a tool kit?

What are those gator sockets like? I always thought they looked like a smart idea for a not too heavey job.. but i've never used one (they are the sockets full of pins so they fit any bolt/nut
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Old 09-08-2006, 11:14 PM
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Them sockets look toss to me.
Need a hell of a clearance round the head to fit em over it.
Get a 1/4 drive set and you can carry most sockets you'll need without taking up much room at all.

Mole grips are a must have.
Allen keys.
The electric poking tool what lights up inside if theres any juice or an earth, depending which battery terminal you clip the crocodile clip to. Like this;
A spare plug for finding if you got a spark without removing every bastard one, one after another.
Ty-wraps, fkin priceless.
Silicon gasket stuff.
Whatever you used last time you sorted that irritating little fix in the comfort of your shed.
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emergency windscreen removal tool... incase hes in an accident and gets trapped in the bike? . the volt meter is a good idea though

I carry a fold out set of allen keys and common socket sizes (such as 8,10,11,12 and 13mm for my CB) and a 1/4 drive ratchet

just incase something comes loose really.
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I go from one extreme to another with tools, normally it's me AA card and whatever tools I've stuck under the seat rather than bung back in the tool box.

For the Faro trip I went by the book and made up a decent toolkit with
  • Mini sockets, allen bits, Torx bits and mini screwdriver bits run off a t-bar socket driver (smaller than a socket set)
  • Emergency warning triangle (legal requirement overseas)
  • First aid kit (mainly for hangover cures but legal requirement...)
  • Tubeless Tyre repair kit with CO2 cylinders (one of those Metzler/BMW jobbies) and a bicycle-type pump
  • Small tyre irons, BMW Wheel/Spark plug wrench with extension bar.
  • Shrink tube, insulating tape, spare wire, spare spade connectors
  • Small combination spanner set, pliers and regular allen keys set
  • Two small torches (battery and plug-in... BMW socket see?)
  • Spare Bulb and fuse set (also legal requirement overseas)
  • Spare Spark plugs set & feeler gauge
Sounds a lot but it mostly fit into two A5 zipped bags that went into the cowl under the seat, apart from the triangle strapped to the luggage.

It was my first trip taking the bike overseas so I thought better safe than sorry... turned out I used most of it, although on a mates bike not my own.....
PS also had crocodile clips with the wire so I could turn a spare bulb into a circuit tester....
PPS should have taken Molegrips as well!
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The Intruder has the same types of problems Taff. I was thinking of a way to do the same thing.

Problem with the 1500 is it is a 14 amp battery and it could use a bigger one, just no room to fit it. I have completely redone my electric system replacing the lot, but there is one fix (if someone has a suzuki 1500, it may help).

I have done this on three bikes so far and charging probs have dissappeared. With the r/r being midway back on the bike the recharge wire goes through the main loom but goes through alot of connections and is quite a long trip losing power along the way.

I cut the recharge wire and wired it direct back to the battery with a 30 amp inline fuse right near the main fuse in the neck. I use a good quality 16 guage wire for this and I end up raising the recharge rate by ABOUT 1.5 amps. The big problem isn't on long trips, but on short ones where you are starting and stopping the bike and not giving it a chance to recharge, this has cured that.
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Yep, if i'm going abroad i chuck some extras in the pannier.

Tyreweld.
Them CO2 canisters and the real fix-kit, drill bit and rubber plugs.
Home made (ie, smaller than car ones) jump leads.
If you dont wanna jump the offending bike every time, you can pass enough charge from a fully charging one by joining em up, battery to battery, and letting the good one tick over and charge the fucked one up.
Spare rec/rect (its a harley thing... )
Probly more but forgot cos aint been over for a while.

Good fix Tease.
Aint there no gel batteries of smaller dimensions?
Seen some beauties on chops and stuff, and you can get away with utilising space brilliantly by standing em on end.
Maybe two side by side, connected to kick more wallop out.
Not a sparky, just a fixer, but someone will know if its possible.

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This thread is great.
So refreshing to talk practically and glean and share practical advice about bikes.
Rather than ranting about men in skirts.
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Right! tool kit......

1 Balaclava
1 zip up holdall
1 Sawn off shot..........


Oops! that's given the day job away!
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[*]Emergency warning triangle (legal requirement overseas)[*]First aid kit (mainly for hangover cures but legal requirement...)
Is that still a legal requirement on a bike? Where were those spanish muppets in their flip flops carrying their first aid kits on the gixxer 1000's?? I couldn't fit a decent first aid kit under my seat, and certainly not one that conforms with the german requirements.
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Fuck legal requirements.
Take what'll get you moving again.
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Zip ties... Allways handy.
Leatherman with torch.
Adjustable spanner.
Wire and insulating tape.
All these as well as the tool kit that came with bike.
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I could have all the tools in the world but if it isn't something thats gone wrong already (that I have therefore fixed) I'm buggered without my haynes manual!

Anyone know a compact bike mechanic that would fit under my seat?
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Anyone know a compact bike mechanic that would fit under my seat?
Ernie should fit
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Yep, if i'm going abroad i chuck some extras in the pannier.

Home made (ie, smaller than car ones) jump leads.
If you dont wanna jump the offending bike every time, you can pass enough charge from a fully charging one by joining em up, battery to battery, and letting the good one tick over and charge the fucked one up.
Spare rec/rect (its a harley thing... )
Probly more but forgot cos aint been over for a while.

Good fix Tease.
Aint there no gel batteries of smaller dimensions?
Seen some beauties on chops and stuff, and you can get away with utilising space brilliantly by standing em on end.
Maybe two side by side, connected to kick more wallop out.
Not a sparky, just a fixer, but someone will know if its possible.
I have checked on gel batteries, but none to be found to fit, and no space to fit anything bigger. The battery in the 1500 is mounted right at the front and in quite tight and with the wiring and other systems rigged differently there is literally no space to remount anywhere else. I keep short leads myself to do the same thing. After this last time I THINK I have it sorted, but as in anything, time will tell.

The biggest problem is, with such a large engine it needs alot to kick over and the battery is just at the upper limit of the bikes needs. One day when time and money permit I may have to cut part of the frame out and rig in a bigger battery, but til then its all a matter of getting all I can out of the battery and charging system on it.

And I agree, this thread is what the whole thing should be about, advice on fixing, packing and making the bike as right as it can be so you can more enjoy the time you have

Not big on the whole men in skirts thing myself.
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In a car it is a legal requirement to carry a first aid kit and warning triangle in Germany, but not on a bike. We are going in a group of 4 bikes, so I do have a small 1st aid kit and a soft triangle that we can share out as we all have soft bags and I have my rack bag.

The biggest thing is documents, but we have all that sorted. We are bringing tools and tape to fix any regular or medium size prob, but are all covered for anything not fixable on the spot. Guess its a matter of knowing your bike and the bikes riding with you and planning for what COULD go wrong, but you cant plan on everything.

I have been in contact with some of the clubs around some of the areas, and while I may not be a member, clubs like Legacy Vets are good people for me to know. I may not be a brother in a club, but as a vet we are all brothers in arms. Sometimes its knowledge you bring with you thats the most important tool.
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