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Old 01-08-2006, 05:31 PM
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well i just started building a hardtail for a old xt600 and belive me even with a jig and a pipe bender this is no easy task.
just got the frame straight and just finishing the main welding and now wondering on how would be the best way to make rear wheel adjusters?????
so if anyone has a good idea on how to make these i would be very happy as tryed using a old swingarm and they dont look good.
i want to make it as simple as pos. been to local sheet metal company and they quoted me 50-00 + to have them cut on cnc but funds are tight @ mo as just gone back on the dole.
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Old 01-08-2006, 05:38 PM
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Get some flat stock around 10mm thick, about 20mm square drill and tap an M10 hole in the centre of the square face.
Weld that to the front edge of yer axle slots then use the M10 bolt (and lock nut) to push yer wheel spacers (and wheel) back....there's tidy!!

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Old 01-08-2006, 06:37 PM
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cheapest way i can think of is to fix the wheel in position at the end of the frame, (use old wheel spacers welded in), and tension the chain with an old skateboard wheel on an old sidestand spring.
i built an xt chop a few years ago; rotated the cradle so the engine sat vertical, which raked and lowered it, welded on a hard tail, sporty tank, banana seat etc, but i used the original adjusters off the old swingarm.
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Old 01-08-2006, 06:57 PM
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rob u would'nt have a pic by anychance so i can see what your looked like finished
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I made mine adjustable... make the plates first and cut em to size with angle grinder or hacksaw (beats going to gym) then chain drill out or drill out two ends of the slot and saw out the middle. then you have nice slots for the axle to slide in.

i made the adjuster by welding a thick bit of plate with an 8mm hole in to one end of the plate. to make the adjuster i welded an m8 bolt to an old wheel spacer and then fit it to the slide and you can move the two nuts to position it.

probably made that sound really confusing but it worked a treat on my last bike
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Old 02-08-2006, 05:32 AM
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We welded on a hardtail on a old Ironhead. We welded the pipes between the frame and the swingarm. Then sawed off the unnecessary part of the swingarm, what leaves the back-part of the swingarm, including the adjusters. Then we'd welded some pieces of pipe to strengthen the whole construction.
The easy part of welding a hardtail construction 'around' a original swingarm, is that everything stays straight in line
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Old 02-08-2006, 06:43 AM
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A steel hole saw's good, most tool suppliers do em, i use Cromwell.
Get the one matching yer axle diameter, cut two holes about 2" apart in yer 10mm , shaped plate, whip the blade out the hacksaw, and refit it so's its in one of the holes, then cut two slots to join the holes up and lose the section between em.
Tidy it up with a small and a round file, and yer sorted, two adjuster slots with nice semi circle ends.
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Old 02-08-2006, 08:28 AM
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first like to say thanks to everyone.
as for the swingarm idea thats a no go due to it being ally box section so looks like i'll be going for the old but test style of 10mm plate and elbow grease.
oh well looks like back to diy shop for some new blades for the old hacksaw.
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Old 02-08-2006, 10:47 AM
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rob u would'nt have a pic by anychance so i can see what your looked like finished
no, sorry, i dont tend to take many piccies.
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i did find this pic tho...


its an SR500, not XT, but they're pretty much the same. it was a long time ago, (early/mid 80's), and my memory's not what it was, but as far as i remember, the details are; 21" front wheel from a DT125, springers from an 'olde worlde' bike shop in portsmouth somewhere, (maybe near the football ground, used to keep snakes in the window!!, dont expect its still there tho), i shortened them 6" or so and had them re-chromed. the pipe is from a pair of high level triumph pipes, welded to about an inch of the original pipe. there is no paint on the tank, (!!), it's all done in gold leaf and tinted lacquer. thats the seat that ended up on the XT rat chop that i mentioned earlier, built a couple of years later. this one ended up with an arrowhead seat and pad. the back wheel was from a 750/4 on a 16" rim, not that powervalve one! the engine ended up all black with polished cases.
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wow! That's really impressive
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Old 02-08-2006, 03:12 PM
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not much difference between sr and xt apart from barrels and head from what i can see but nice old school look

still building frame on mine @ mo but i too have the sportster tank making it single seater thou raked out the front end in all from end of tyre to end of tyre is 8foot 3inches.

and 9 inch ground clearance wanted lower but got speed humps in my area and there a pain.

when done as rolling stock i put up pic.
i take it your from pompey area then
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i take it your from pompey area then
Don't you mean "are you a skate"???
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9" ground clearance!!!!! do you get nose bleeds up there!!!

get that down in the weeds young man!!!!
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i take it your from pompey area then
'75 to about '86, selsey.
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springers from an 'olde worlde' bike shop in portsmouth somewhere, (maybe near the football ground, used to keep snakes in the window!!, dont expect its still there tho)
Kin 'ell you going back a few years there.
Run by a geezer in glasses name of Vince?
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Old 02-08-2006, 05:20 PM
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Kin 'ell you going back a few years there.
Run by a geezer in glasses name of Vince?
cant remember his name, the shop was on a corner, snake tank in the window, smallish shop, stuff piled everywhere, i think there was a bigger bit out the back??
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Old 02-08-2006, 06:25 PM
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Side Street Motorcycles was the one i got in mind.
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Side Street Motorcycles was the one i got in mind.
rings a bell, but i wouldn't like to say one way or t'other.
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Old 02-08-2006, 07:26 PM
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your prob thinking of globes in fawcett rd, as side street was opps train bridge before moving to portsea. yes vince did run side street.
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hmmm, 'globes' rings a bell as well.......maybe a slightly louder one......

(note to self; in the next life dont take so many drugs in your 20's, you need your memory when you're older).
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Doh, just sent a pm asking if this was globes, didnt reead the entire thread first.
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sorry to sound a like a total noob, but what is the difference between a hard tail and soft tail bike?
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Soft tail has suspension,hardtail don't........
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sorry to sound a like a total noob, but what is the difference between a hard tail and soft tail bike?
springy ride=softail
feeling your been raped by a thousand arse bandits=hardtail
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well @ the moment bike has come to a stand still due to finding hole in side casing of the lump been on to yam dealer no go there and no joy @ breakers so unless i can find a casing looks like i'll be looking for a new doner engine.
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Old 15-08-2006, 07:46 AM
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how big is the hole? where abouts? you can work wonders with 'liquid metal', or a mixture of araldite and aluminium filings.....
i've also repaired broken casings with 'lumi-weld'.
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Old 16-08-2006, 08:15 AM
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well heres a pic of it


as you can see just a small hole it looked like it had already been glued up before then painted black but as i was cleaning of the paint on the lump it all fell apart not good
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well heres a pic of it


as you can see just a small hole it looked like it had already been glued up before then painted black but as i was cleaning of the paint on the lump it all fell apart not good
repairable with lumiweld tho.
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