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Old 18-07-2006, 09:39 PM
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in case anyone was wondering, i can confirm that a front wheel bearing collapse is twice as much fun on a single sided front end!
luckily i was just slowing down to pull into the workshop.
so i've stripped the front end out, and one of the bearings has cracked all the way round the outside circumference! not a thing i've ever seen before.
first i thought it was coz of a bad design by me, but on closer inspection you can see grease and rust on nearly 3/4's of the cracks surface, right up to within a couple of thou of the outer edge, so its obviously been like it for a long while, and i only put them in in may.
almost a severe case of compensation.

flashback to the bearing shop........
"we stock two bearings in that size, 75 or 18."........
(looks in pocket, sees washers and fluff).
"err, two of the 18 ones please".

i'll probably take the bits in next week and try to blag a couple of new ones,
on the other hand, i was due to fit hydraulic steering over the winter, and i've got nearly all the bits i need already.........
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Old 19-07-2006, 10:59 AM
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Talking of funny front ends, Rob, have you had experience of single-sided leading link front ends on bikes?

I've been planning and collecting the bits for a funky front ended bike for years now, but haven't really found anyone who can translate me ideas into metal ... no, that's not strictly true, someone did have a go years ago, but made a complete cod of it.

The idea, y'see, is to have a single-sided front end, but it's got to be exactly symetrical with the back end - shock angle, swingarm design, everything.

Any ideas?
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Talking of funny front ends, Rob, have you had experience of single-sided leading link front ends on bikes?

I've been planning and collecting the bits for a funky front ended bike for years now, but haven't really found anyone who can translate me ideas into metal ... no, that's not strictly true, someone did have a go years ago, but made a complete cod of it.

The idea, y'see, is to have a single-sided front end, but it's got to be exactly symetrical with the back end - shock angle, swingarm design, everything.

Any ideas?
Wasn't the GTS1000 like that?
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Old 19-07-2006, 12:07 PM
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Wasn't the GTS1000 like that?
Sort o', but it was feckin' ug-lee! The two 'arms weren't remotely symmetrical and although people have built bikes using the GTS front end they're not good enough for what I want, y'know?

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Old 19-07-2006, 03:03 PM
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Talking of funny front ends, Rob, have you had experience of single-sided leading link front ends on bikes?

I've been planning and collecting the bits for a funky front ended bike for years now, but haven't really found anyone who can translate me ideas into metal ... no, that's not strictly true, someone did have a go years ago, but made a complete cod of it.

The idea, y'see, is to have a single-sided front end, but it's got to be exactly symetrical with the back end - shock angle, swingarm design, everything.

Any ideas?
YES!!!

have built several.

thats EXACTLY what i've got planned for mine!!!
i've got another single-sided honda swing arm the same as the back one, which will be run upside down at the front, so the arms on the same side as the back one, spindle the same height as the swing arm spindle, with hydraulic hub-centre steering hidden in the hub, and a rim disc. all the wishbones etc will be gone. kind of 'blood runners' stylee.
no visible connection between the bars and the wheel.
i suppose i COULD build it for you instead .........

.......and do something even more outlandish to mine for next year.


meanwhile back at the ranch......

seeing as illogical progression is my only means of transport at the moment, its not much use to me with a knackered wheel bearing, so 3 1/2 hrs down the workshop today, welding and grinding in 100'f and its back on the road again....

i cut the front off, made a new double sided fork to take a zx6r wheel, gave it a bit less trail, (now 3 1/2"), to quicken the steering up a bit, and she handles like a dream!!!
yes, i know there is paint all over the tyre, its better silver than kwak green, and next time i get some fuel i'l put some on a bit of rag and clean it off.

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Old 19-07-2006, 03:23 PM
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Nik, what ever happened to that Hub steered bike Streefighters was meant to be making years ago, think it was cyclone engineering was building it?

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Rob who you use for bearings?

try BSL at roundswell I got account with them and get good prices
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Old 19-07-2006, 03:32 PM
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Rob who you use for bearings?

try BSL at roundswell I got account with them and get good prices

down past sainsburys, last on the left, 1st unit on the right??
thats who i use, i thought they had 'whyco' or something similar on their sign??
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yeah that them, that is a bearing name or something, they are actually BSL bramel I think

aha actually just realised, the place you want is last on the right, think theres 2 places down there, one does maybe belts and gears if I remember rightly

anyway that little courtyard is heaven, last on the right is BSL, goin and ask for shaun I think it is, tell them that you got their name form tony at visualux, they might be able to hepl a bit on the price

opposite is spartan and next to him is my god, john taylor fastners

theres a littleshow on this sunday at atlantic village, part of the mini run, my mates old school honda chop is in there, I will probably pop up there with my lil girl to have a nose around


if you got a bearing number there let me have it will get a price form them now
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Old 19-07-2006, 03:41 PM
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yeah that them, that is a bearing name or something, they are actually BSL bramel I think

if you use them regularly they often do better deals on the bits, check themout for loctites etc also as they do big bottles of it and its good pricing

theres a littleshow on this sunday at atlantic village, part of the mini run, my mates old school honda chop is in there, I will probably pop up there with my lil girl to have a nose around
i wouldn't say i use them regular, but if/when i need any bearings, thats where i go.
Also their in-house hydraulics specialist is working with me on the design for my hydraulic steering. (hydraulics isn't one of my specialised subjects).
i'm away running the gate/security at a festi from tommorrow morning till monday, so i wont be at atlantic village.
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Old 19-07-2006, 03:45 PM
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ha!! sneaky edit!!!
yeh, i use spartans for big/complecated cnc stuff that i havent got the machinery to do myself, also JTF get the pleasure of me going in there with a big box of bolts at the end of a build to get loadsa stainless allen bolts.
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Nik, what ever happened to that Hub steered bike Streefighters was meant to be making years ago, think it was cyclone engineering was building it?
That was mine, mate, and it didn't really get off the drawing board - well, it did, but it's a very long story and it's too hot to get all ranty about it, y'know?

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HMM I have to use them for just about everything as my machinery is limited to a dremel, a cordless drill, and a 1938 lathe that I havent a clue what to do with LOL

can you do yokes etc, as if you can I will put the work your way in future?
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YES!!!

have built several.

thats EXACTLY what i've got planned for mine!!!
i've got another single-sided honda swing arm the same as the back one, which will be run upside down at the front, so the arms on the same side as the back one, spindle the same height as the swing arm spindle, with hydraulic hub-centre steering hidden in the hub, and a rim disc. all the wishbones etc will be gone. kind of 'blood runners' stylee.
no visible connection between the bars and the wheel.
i suppose i COULD build it for you instead .........

.......and do something even more outlandish to mine for next year.
That sounds exactly like what I want, mate, exactly! Bugger! I've got three bikes on the go at the moment and need to finish and sell 'em before I can start another one, y'know?

Maybe come the Winter, yeah?
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Old 19-07-2006, 05:33 PM
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HMM I have to use them for just about everything as my machinery is limited to a dremel, a cordless drill, and a 1938 lathe that I havent a clue what to do with LOL

can you do yokes etc, as if you can I will put the work your way in future?
if i'm doing my own slabs, i bore the holes in a blank slab with a tank cutter, and do the rest by hand. (hacksaw and file).
i've just had a pair done at spartans for a trike i'm doing. both 2"thick, 12" centres, blind fork holes in the top one, nicely sculpted etc look the bollocks.
with spartan stuff, i just give them my proper engineering drawings and forget about them for a fortnight.
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Old 19-07-2006, 06:32 PM
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Yeah I just had a pair made by them, 2" bottom and 1.5" top yokes, look very smart but was just wondering if that cash could be put the way of someone more local and maybe deserving??

basically would rather pay a biker to make the bits that some fatcat company
this ere be my slabbies

werent cheap, but also by the same token were cheaper than I had been quoted elsewhere

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Old 19-07-2006, 07:25 PM
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much as i'd like to, i cant better spartans prices, and their quality is top notch. these are the ones i've just had done.
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they are nice

I ended up paying 350 for mine but thats with stainless stem and think there was also a rear axle as well that they made, sadly that was for a swing arm that I was going to use, then binned would only take a 150 rear, and I wanted a 200 in the rear
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Old 19-07-2006, 09:54 PM
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i paid 500 for the complete wide-glide set up, risers, yokes, stem, stainless disc spacer, spindle, stainless wheel spacers,shaved caliper mount on one fork leg and a cover for where the cush-drive used to be. at that price it was silly not to, gives me time to get on with other stuff.
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had my slabs made by kev at projex ,,cradley heath,,,2"thick 14"leg centres,risers an stem,,,500,,,,,,,,,,,got pic somewhere ov single sided front end from bike sho in brisbane ,,i,ll see if i can find it an put it on ere,,,,,,,,,,
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Old 27-07-2006, 12:13 PM
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took the bearing back to the shop, but had to buy a new one , they are gonna send the broken one away 'for analysis', then give me a credit when they get the report back. so i bought a couple of 16mm rose joints and 2 16mm high-tensile bolts as well, to replace the reliant kitten bits in the steering, (pics later), as they need shimming again
spose thats what you get for using 30 year old parts, then applying approx 40" of leverage force that they wern't designed to take. they've done over 2000 miles tho, and will do plenty more if i keep on top of the shims. i think rose joints look better tho, and would've used them originally if i could've afforded them at the time.
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look forward to seeing it around again soon

mine should be finished within a week or 2, using it for my wedding august bank holiday weekend,

when its done might pop out to see you some time

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Old 27-07-2006, 02:37 PM
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gonna try and get it done next week, i've got my kids down from essex the following week, for a week. next planned rally/show is bristol on 19th august, are you entering yours?
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its not a show bike, only ever entered one of my bikes in a show and didnt like doing that to be honest

funny thing is that Im in essex that weekend, southend to be precise, getting married the following weekend so off to see her family the weekend before as they cant be arsed to come down here
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Sounds pretty cool to me, having the mother-in-law over the other side of the country. no danger of a quick "popping in for a cup of tea" then staying all afternoon, and criticising everything you do!
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having some family around isnt such a bad thing, for example, me and the missus only get to go out for dinner on our own maybe once every 2 months, as by the time we paid for a dinner and a babysitter its stupid money

that and the fact that I get a bill for 702 per month!!!! for child care isnt very funny, other people around us earn less but far better off as they have family looking after their kid, so they do have their uses
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six hours (11-5) down the workshop today.....

first i cut the temporary front end back off


and then removed the reliant kitten bits and modified the wishbones to take the rose joints...

bottom wishbone modified and re-fitted;



top one as well, and new 'king pin' (for want of a better word) built and fitted...


then re-attached the old fork leg...


squared everthing back up, welded it, put the brakes back on, etc, etc...


slapped half a tin of matt black over it, and bobs your uncle, as good (??) as new!!
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looking good again

that isnt by any chance a drummond lathe in the background is it???
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that isnt by any chance a drummond lathe in the background is it???
it says 'myford' on the casting.....
its well old. turn it on, spin the flywheel by hand to get the motor going, pull another lever to engage the belt drive to the chuck, and off it goes!! very heath robinson.
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yeah they one and the same, in 43 I think it was myford took over drummond

I got a 1939 drummond in my garage LOL
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