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Old 09-06-2010, 05:34 PM
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Default Mondeo rear hub - any good for a trike front wheel?

Instead of making a hub I thought about using one of these, they're about 25 for the hub, bearings & wheel studs and have the right 4 bolt pcd & bore I need for my wheel & disc. Apart from not thinking to look if the bearings are sealed (but thats not too hard to sort if need be), can anyone think of why it wouldn't work?
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Old 09-06-2010, 05:58 PM
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Not too sure about the mondeo, but the rear hub from a cavalier unbolts with four studs on the stub axle, leaving a complete wheel, hub, disc, brake and stub axle ready to bolt straight on!

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Old 09-06-2010, 09:15 PM
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I wanted to have 3 wheels the same size so I can carry a spare, any idea if the Cavalier has the same bore & PCD as a 4-stud Mondeo?
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a mondeo rim will fit a cav rear hub (1.8i petrol, l reg drum braked) but be a right bugger to get back off because the center hole in the wheel is marginally too tight, like less than a mm, other way round no problems or give a shave with a file, the studs are the same. Not something I've found out by looking at charts or tables but by finding the spare on our cav wasn't off a cav but a mondeo (a right twat to remove). Also found cav alloys will fit Seat Cordoba so might be worth looking at Seat inca / ibiza, and Vw polo / golf / caddy if trawling scrapyards.
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Old 10-06-2010, 09:43 AM
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[QUOTE=matthewmosse;590097]a mondeo rim will fit a cav rear hub (1.8i petrol, l reg drum braked) but be a right bugger to get back off because the center hole in the wheel is marginally too tight, like less than a mm, other way round no problems or give a shave with a file, the studs are the same.
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Mondeo PCD 108mm

Cavalier PCD 100mm
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Rover wheels fit Cav's as do some Volkswagen.
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Old 11-06-2010, 06:07 PM
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Rover wheels fit Cav's as do some Volkswagen.
And Reliants..

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And Reliants..

Nope

Reliants are 4" PCD, which is 101.6 mm.

So they might go on, but they don't fit.
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Instead of making a hub I thought about using one of these, they're about 25 for the hub, bearings & wheel studs and have the right 4 bolt pcd & bore I need for my wheel & disc. Apart from not thinking to look if the bearings are sealed (but thats not too hard to sort if need be), can anyone think of why it wouldn't work?
I wouldn't have thought the bearings were sealed, most car rear hubs run taper roller bearings, as do the Fiesta/Escort, so I'd imagine a Mondeo was the same.

Getting sealed beairings to suit might be a problem as Ford tend to use "special" bearings quite a lot.

You could always use the taper rollers with a spacer between them like Harleys used to.
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Try Peugeot. I know the PCD is a knats knacker out for ford. the stub axle can be easily driven out of the radius arm though. speak to any lads working at a peugeot dealer and they'll sort you some new rims cos all the cars come on steels and ally's are optional. We used to have piles of the bloody things.
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Ok, back to basics training for me, what's the way of measuring pcd? I'll bugger off and look at a trailer selling site on ebay for that one, I'm just curious now cos I deffinately had a ford wheel on the cav and the bolts were deffinately not 8mm out, in fact they looked spot on, only Ford I've had parts for was a mondeo. Oh well mysteries never cease.
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The PCD is the measurement of the distance, centre to centre, of the diagonally opposite studs on the hub/wheel.
for more on wheel fitment and PCD...
http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible_pg4.html
for different PCD's...
http://www.alloywheels.com/fitmentguide.asp
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thats a really godd expanation, added to favourites
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Ok, back to basics training for me, what's the way of measuring pcd? I'll bugger off and look at a trailer selling site on ebay for that one, I'm just curious now cos I deffinately had a ford wheel on the cav and the bolts were deffinately not 8mm out, in fact they looked spot on, only Ford I've had parts for was a mondeo. Oh well mysteries never cease.
Wheels I got for the Reliant, would fit on a Cav and a Mondeo.

Then again, they got 8 holes...

None of which actually fit the Reliant.

If any remember Hillman Avengers and Hunters, all that stuff used 4 1/4" PCD whells, as did Fords. 4 1/4" in metric is 107.95mm if you were wondering, and a lot closer to "the same" than 4" and 100mm PCDs,

Anyway, if you put Escort wheels on an Avenger, or it might have been Avenger wheels on an Escort, and used the nuts that came with the car and not the nuts that came with the wheel, the wheel would eventually fall off.

Problem was that although the PCD and stud threads were identical, the taper on the seats, wasn't.

Point is, tapers and seats. Have a think about what's happening to those when you tighten the nuts up on a 101.6mm PCD Reliant axle onto a 100mm PCD wheel.
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The PCD is the measurement of the distance, centre to centre, of the diagonally opposite studs on the hub/wheel.
for more on wheel fitment and PCD...
http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible_pg4.html
for different PCD's...
http://www.alloywheels.com/fitmentguide.asp
Close, but not if you have 5 stud wheel fixing.

Or three come to that...

Buy a Zeus book. It's got lay out tables for assorted stud layouts (along with lots of other useful stuff) where everything is expressed in terms of the diameter. Measure two adjacent studs, the book will tell you that's Xd where "d" is the Pitch Circle Diameter and "X" is some quite long decimal. Divide your measurement by X that's the PCD.
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this page is my bible

http://www.carlsalter.com/wheel_fitments.html

PCD calculations are at the bottom of the page

I have just converted the sierra 4 stud back end to 5 stud with granada flanges, and then turned the flange down on the centre bore to allow fitment of VW 5 stud rims

anything is possible, just takes a bit of thought

but the wheel nut comment is spot on, from personal experience, bought a trike, aged 18, who buys a car or trike and checks the wheel nuts before they ride off

certainly not me LOL, that much was apparant on the A127 near rayleigh in essex as my wheel went past me
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