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Stop bleating on about the rights of the terrorist and/or potential terrorist. If he wasn't behaving in an extreme way, complete with rucksack and hysterical wife, on an aircraft in todays climate of suicide bombers, he would still be alive..............

Sounds just like what people said to me, here on this forum, the day Menzes got shot - He didnt do ANYTHING suspicious!! (all the suspicious stuff was made up later!)
Thankfully, it seems, that charges MAY be pressed against the trigger happy brigade over that one - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4513482.stm

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.............todays climate of suicide bombers, he would still be alive..............
Yep - just the kind of argument the western politicians are using to errode all our basic rights.

Harold Pinter's – Nobel Lecture put it very well this week
"As a citizen I must ask: What is true? What is false?"

"Political language, as used by politicians, does not venture into any of this territory since the majority of politicians, on the evidence available to us, are interested not in truth but in power and in the maintenance of that power. To maintain that power it is essential that people remain in ignorance, that they live in ignorance of the truth, even the truth of their own lives. What surrounds us therefore is a vast tapestry of lies, upon which we feed."

"I believe that despite the enormous odds which exist, unflinching, unswerving, fierce intellectual determination, as citizens, to define the real truth of our lives and our societies is a crucial obligation which devolves upon us all. It is in fact mandatory.

If such a determination is not embodied in our political vision we have no hope of restoring what is so nearly lost to us – the dignity of man."
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another point - would you want to be stuck in an aircraft with a guy is so far down the mentally ill route he can cause such mayhem whilst the plane is still on the ground? Lord knows what he could have done in the air

maybe that's the question they should be asking - why someone as unstable as he was should be on the flight anyway?

even without a bomb - he still could have caused the flight to crash


Not that I am a fan of Jo Brand, I did see her in an interview saying that she had such a phobia of flying, she once stood up at take off and screamed at top volume - "were all going to die". Far more indicative of a nutter with a bomb than a guy trying to get off before even taxi-ing from the terminal
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Pinter!? Another left-wing anti-american ant-war do-gooder.

Pity he wasn't on a plane with a rucksack and an attitude. Boring twat.
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Not that I am a fan of Jo Brand, I did see her in an interview saying that she had such a phobia of flying, she once stood up at take off and screamed at top volume - "were all going to die". Far more indicative of a nutter with a bomb than a guy trying to get off before even taxi-ing from the terminal
Really doing it and putting in a comedy routine are a tadge different.
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This is just blatant Anti Americanism. The problem is, these Leftie Do-gooders can provide no positive ideas on how to protect the people from Terrorists. In fact, historically speaking, Lefties have always tried to appeal to Tyrants and Terrorists. Anyone remember Atlee and his Appeasement of Hitler? We should all just get along, my arse! Took a real man, with balls of steel, to stand up to Hitler. Just a shame that we haven't got a similar person in charge today - maybe then we could intern all these traitors who rage against what is right to protect the good citizens of the world.
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Old 09-12-2005, 02:17 PM
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And who gets to decide who ARE the good citizens of the world? Men with guns? Cos they messed up a bit recently didnt they?!

We didnt develop all these laws to hinder justice - they were developed over many years to protect the innocent - watch - they are all flying out of the window.......................................
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And who gets to decide who ARE the good citizens of the world? Men with guns? Cos they messed up a bit recently didnt they?!

We didnt develop all these laws to hinder justice - they were developed over many years to protect the innocent - watch - they are all flying out of the window.......................................
Cookie, I can sort of see where you're coming from, but could you please answer the following two part question.

If he DID have a bomb, how do you a)gather enough evidence to prove it and then b)stop him without harming the public.

If you have the answers to those questions then fair enough, but until then, all the security forces can do is their best.
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The innocent bystanders have been blown up - they are all flying out of the window.......................................
That's what you want then? Give uncle Bin Laden a hug, come on, big hug. Make it aaalllll better.
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And who gets to decide who ARE the good citizens of the world? Men with guns? Cos they messed up a bit recently didnt they?!

We didnt develop all these laws to hinder justice - they were developed over many years to protect the innocent - watch - they are all flying out of the window.......................................
As I say, the Lefties are great at throwing up objections, but they cannot provide realistic and workable alternative policies.
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too fukkin late he,s dead end ov story...fukkin nutter anyway.....
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Cookie, I can sort of see where you're coming from, but could you please answer the following two part question.

If he DID have a bomb, how do you a)gather enough evidence to prove it and then b)stop him without harming the public.

If you have the answers to those questions then fair enough, but until then, all the security forces can do is their best.
Among other things, the company I work for has devised bag scanners that have STOPPED bombs being taken onto board aircraft. You wont find a comercial flight that will fly you to a country that doesnt have this system in place. ALL aitports you will fly from and to will have it.
When is the last time a bomb went off on a plane?
We have more guns on planes now than ever before - taken on board by undercover security. What if a gun is taken off a security officer?
Use a gun in a plane in flight and miss - end of everyone on board - and they are trying to second guess bombers?!!
How long before a trigger happy air guard shoots down a plane by mistake?
People are saying that this is for safety.
Well it sure cant be a deterrant - suicide bombers dont care if they die!
So it must be a real practical prevention - BUT the prevention is already in place AND working!
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Among other things, the company I work for has devised bag scanners that have STOPPED bombs being taken onto board aircraft.
So you have planes covered (on international flights)... Is it 100% foolproof?
Why don't we see these things on trains?
What about in public places?

Not having a go. Honest.

For your 10million point bonus - come up with a workable solution that doesn't involve men with guns.

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There was no bomb on the planes on 11 September 2001.
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So you have planes covered (on international flights)... Is it 100% foolproof?
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(And internals) It has been so far - no bombs for quite some time.

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Why don't we see these things on trains?
What about in public places?.
They talked about it, but the government didnt come up with the money

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Not having a go. Honest.

For your 10million point bonus - come up with a workable solution that doesn't involve men with guns.
Stop pissing off Arabs. They wont take it and will stop at nothing to piss you and yours off.
Remember how Osma got so powerful? - Someone used him (just like the contras actually) to do dirty deeds for the west. Then a deal went wrong and he got mad.
Piss the right people off and Osma will have no problem recruiting more people to do his bidding.
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And just how would you suggest that we do that..oh mighty oracle?
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If we removed ourselves from Arabia entirely, they would find some other way to hate us. Remeber, these zealots do not represent the majority of Arab though. They represent a lunatic fringe who are intent on seeing Islam rule the world. They hate the West for what it stands for, they use our involvement in Arabia as an excuse to garner public support.
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There was no bomb on the planes on 11 September 2001.
Nope - the security was down to Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother. He was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport.

The bombs were in the towers.
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If we removed ourselves from Arabia entirely, they would find some other way to hate us. Remeber, these zealots do not represent the majority of Arab though. They represent a lunatic fringe who are intent on seeing Islam rule the world. They hate the West for what it stands for, they use our involvement in Arabia as an excuse to garner public support.
Have you been reading Osmas manefesto - or something closer to home for that opinion?
What exactly DOES the west stand for?
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bet you,d be the first to moan about security if any ov your family was killed by a fukkin nutter,ok cookie you hate the ynks..big deal..get over the fact he,s dead..............
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The bombs were in the towers.
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bet you,d be the first to moan about security if any ov your family was killed by a fukkin nutter,ok cookie you hate the ynks..big deal..get over the fact he,s dead..............
And I bet you'd be the first to moan about security if any of them had mistakenly killed your family
The fact is, we have now had 2 shootings of innocent people, NO saving of lives and an excuse that is wearing thin!
We cant keep going by the WHAT IF excuse, that dont hold water
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They obviously used the planes as bombs
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if any ov my family had acted like he/they did i would have shot the fukkers..............
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if any ov my family had acted like he/they did i would have shot the fukkers..............
And would you have said that on the day Menzes was killed? Remember all the carp that Ian Blair spouted that day? Maybe you would. Maybe you dont question anough.
I'm dam sure that MY family would look into how I died, if it involed anything except natural causes.
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It's a conspiracy theory that cookie has been taken by.
I wondered what you ment at first. Found a odd link for you. Not all that convincing really.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_wtc_videos.html
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I reckon i have found the true source of your anti americanism, Cookie.

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I reckon i have found the true source of your anti americanism, Cookie.

http://www.buttafly.com/bush/index.php
The odd thing is - I am not anti American. I just dont like the people that run the place.
If America was what it perports to be I would be over there like a shot.
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You can get a free trip to cuba, just write a diatribe on Dubbya and how you would kill the infidel and away you go, you don't even need to pack as they give you a smart looking orange jump suit and some really cool welding goggles.
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If America was what it perports to be I would be over there like a shot.

Over there like a shot, or shot over there?

Lets let our viewers decide.
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