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I know what you mean about management, though sometimes the 'them and us' came from the shop floor as well. At Cosworth's the company had been started by two guys in a back street garage tuning crossflow engines. The company had got too big for them and so management were employed. Unfortunately most of them seemed to be rejects from other industries including one guy who had worked for a tyre fitting firm that folded, I wondered why? The management plan to make you do what they wanted was to shout very loudly in your face until you ether did as you were told (not always the correct thing though) or you left. I stood up to those wankers and made one lock himself in his office because nobody had stood up to his bullying before and he didn't know how to handle it. I was so disappointed with the management I started to do a management course at college paid for by myself. But the kind of crap you talked about was what they were actually teaching! One scenario was that you have come across two guys fighting on the premises, what do you do? My answer was interview both men, find out why and discipline as necessary ie. the one who caused the fight. However the correct answer was...... sack both for gross misconduct. which seemed to be the answer to almost any scenario....
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I know what you mean about management, though sometimes the 'them and us' came from the shop floor as well. At Cosworth's the company had been started by two guys in a back street garage tuning crossflow engines. The company had got too big for them and so management were employed. Unfortunately most of them seemed to be rejects from other industries including one guy who had worked for a tyre fitting firm that folded, I wondered why? The management plan to make you do what they wanted was to shout very loudly in your face until you ether did as you were told (not always the correct thing though) or you left. I stood up to those wankers and made one lock himself in his office because nobody had stood up to his bullying before and he didn't know how to handle it. I was so disappointed with the management I started to do a management course at college paid for by myself. But the kind of crap you talked about was what they were actually teaching! One scenario was that you have come across two guys fighting on the premises, what do you do? My answer was interview both men, find out why and discipline as necessary ie. the one who caused the fight. However the correct answer was...... sack both for gross misconduct. which seemed to be the answer to almost any scenario....
Most people assume their position. There are very few who don't fit the mould, or any mould,s, what mould's?

You reminded me of when I kicked off badly at a manager at one of the housing companies I was on contract too. I should have been fully rehabilitated tbh, but never was. I didn't know I had ptsd at the time.
Tbh no one would employ me now or want to.
All I remember was him cornered in an office within the general office area and I was between him and the only door. I kicked off with him verbally about summat I couldn't even tell you the day after. I remember him shaking, I assume with fear as I walked out. I still cant remember what is was about or why or what I said.
I had a phone call at 10pm that night by the agency who said the company boss had called them and he respected that I had some major injuries, seeing as I was on two elbow crutches, but they said they did not want me going back after what had happened. I really knew then that I was not fit to work.
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Most people assume their position. There are very few who don't fit the mould, or any mould,s, what mould's?

You reminded me of when I kicked off badly at a manager at one of the housing companies I was on contract too. I should have been fully rehabilitated tbh, but never was. I didn't know I had ptsd at the time.
Tbh no one would employ me now or want to.
All I remember was him cornered in an office within the general office area and I was between him and the only door. I kicked off with him verbally about summat I couldn't even tell you the day after. I remember him shaking, I assume with fear as I walked out. I still cant remember what is was about or why or what I said.
I had a phone call at 10pm that night by the agency who said the company boss had called them and he respected that I had some major injuries, seeing as I was on two elbow crutches, but they said they did not want me going back after what had happened. I really knew then that I was not fit to work.
It's always hard to find that we are not indestructible after all and that whatever injuries we have will or do limit our abilities to do what we have always done in the past. Sometimes we can alter course and make the most of whatever we have, but PTSD and severe mental/physical problems are generally things you can't work around. Having had borderline PTSD, never treated, I know that it can be a hard coming back even from the borderline. I have always fought for the underdog, usually workmates or friends/family which explains my Union roots. Coming from a working class family I guess that I did better than some, though not as good as others. I calmed down later in life and I always realised that GOOD management allied to a GOOD workforce made for a productive and profitable company, which was a good for everybody. I had a good reputation with most of the workers and management because I didn't run to them with every trivial complaint, trying to work things out before they spiralled out of control. But, of course, you can't please all the people all the time.

A guy came to me with a serious complaint regrading confidential information about his family which had been spread by another worker. His son was mentally ill and the guy, who he didn't get on with was taking the piss after reading files that had been left exposed on a managers desk. The first we always asked was "What do you hope to obtain from this complaint?" that is, do you want an apology or do you want to go through the complaints system or even tribunal, if necessary. He said he would be happy to accept an apology from the manager and the guy spreading the information. I spoke to the guy and he apologised, in writing, and verbally. The manager was reluctant to apologise but he was finally persuaded to do so. The aggrieved person then went away stating he was happy with the outcome and the complaint was closed. Two weeks later I was a wanker for not getting them sacked....Doh!
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The brain injury is difficult.
Personality change is part of that. You don't know who you are anymore. I don't know how I will react to any situation. So that's why generally I shun people and stay away for both sake. I don't want to inflict me on anyone.
Its much much easier to talk online because I can take time to consider answers or just not answer.

The psychological tests at the neurology unit found that while my speech and communications centres were still working OK, the rest of it isn't too great.
I scored 97th percentile for spoken words, but that was an isolated scorer the rest were low or poor. My lowest score was 32nd percentile. So there is vast disparity between different brain functions and this is what causes issues.
Due to oxygen starvation I lost a lot of IQ, parts of my brain died.
I was very lucky to be accepted into Headway who are 100% brilliant people by the way!.
They are the UK brain injury specialists for rehab and support.
I met some incredible people there who are support workers and service users. I learned a lot about brain injury and that was very helpful to me.

There I was 10 days after 9/11 on my fairly new Hayabusa, had a good career, good salary and planning my next career move to earn more and work less.
But somewhere along that road was a car that would impact me in such a way that my life would never be the same again. I knew a lot of people socially and professionally, but I never realised how far and wide the collateral damage from that split second encounter would reach and its ongoing. You think you have it all sussed and making your way in life and then bang !
Suddenly everything changes and you don't even see it coming.
But life changes, nothing ever stays the same and its important to learn that.
Now I am not whinging about this, I'm dead calm talking about it. and I still ride.

All those old biker sayings that I used to think were so cheesy, suddenly come into perspective.
Bikers for life.
Live to ride, ride to live.
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I used to work for a company in Oxford that made medical equipment...not hard to work out who they were really, without naming them! They closed their Abingdon plant down and I said that I'd commute for 6 months to their Old Woking plant whilst they transferred production of their new Table Top Babyt heart monitor machine. I was on the New Product Project Team for the out sourcing of the purchasing requirements to mak it. So having to make a two hour commute each way every day, it can get a tad stressful. Then you do a days work dealing with ..how can we say? Um Basically uni grad arseholes masquerading as trained production managers (female - not that I have anything against them ,just that their way of thinking isnt logical for the position, nor ar they tactful when trying to either motivate or talk to the workforce). The worst thing is their attitude to work collegues when things go wrong! If it goes wrong it is best to sort out the problem first then diagnose what went wrong andd then put processes inplace to ensure that they don't happen again. That wasy everyone is happy and everone learns without pointing fingers and blaming who was responsible. However there is a thing called "Modern Management Techniques" Which seems to get in the way and is taught b mindless wombats that masquerade an "Management Consultants" and teach courses that senior Management spend loads of unnecessary company cash on for their staff to "attend" This is where PC indoctrination is introduced and for these training companies to justify their existence! This is prevalent in HR depts! Use to be called "Personnel" but now "HR" - ffs! Anyway back to Oxford Instrument Medical...oops mentioned them... They've gone anyway.. bought out by another company I believe and production moved to Wales! There was a female "production" manager that had been well and trully indoctrinated in to these management tecniques, one of which is called "the 5 Whys"! this where one asks the same question five times and by the fifth time the root cause of the problem is unearthed and then can be "addressed" so to speak. So ther I was, had a shit journey into work having used the bike (A had a Honda GB500TT at that time nice but slooow, used to back fire on the overrun when shutting the throttle off quickly. Great fun when you know how to use it, but could kill your electrics though if used too often!) so by the time mid morning arrived I was ready to rip anyones head off, not helped by having to source shit components from China against my recommendations, and then having to resource locally as the stuff had turned up late and way out of Quality and tolerance. So along comes thind blonde bimbo and sticks her face into my personal space (I hate people who stand to close - always have done - it's confrontational immediately without reason) and in front of the whole office continues to ask me why the delay? So I say late delivery from Chinaa and bad quality necessitating in the resource and new and correct items will be with us within 24 hours! not bad considering I only knew about this at a 8.00am that moring as I got in after a two hour shit ride in. So then she proceeds to ask ne another four times why was this? After answering exactly the same way three times, she got both barrels and at the same time I Physiacally lifted her off her feet and placed her about 3 feet away from my face at arms length and bawled at her as to what part of the english languauge did she not understand and do not stand within two feet of me in a confrontational manner and ask impertinent questions that halready had been addressed and corrected before she had even been made aware of any issues that did not concern her! I think her complete comuppance was total when the whole of the office which had gone quiet (apparently this woman had the ear of the directors (screwing one of them) and the office erruptedin to appluad! and clapping! She Stormed out, I was absolutely fuming! Little did she know that I had the ear of the Ops director as he was ex Abingdon like me and so when she went to complain he said to her to that I was absolutley correct in my actions (even thought he ticked me off for physically moving her)! And that she should wind her neck in when dealing with factory staff, and Middle management! of which although I was only a buyer I was considered "middle management"....
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HOS, the most important biker saying is.... 'Keep it shiny side up', which it seems we all ignore (at our peril) from time to time. As for your IQ dropping, I read your posts and see a measured and examined reply. OK, spelling may go awry, as does mine, usually due to 'Fat Finger' syndrome or simply typing too fast for the brain to keep up. If what you write is a reflection of IQ then yours must have been in the higher bracket to start with. Not bigging you up, just stating a fact, as I see it.

For some reason, back a couple of decades ago, this country decided it didn't need apprenticeships (a situation I am glad to see has been reversed) and we lost the opportunity to train youngsters to do the technical jobs. Plumbers/Electricians/Builders from Poland and other Eastern European countries flooded Britain and took over. At KAB Seating we always had an apprentice in the maintenance dept. and they got into the NVQ system of which I was one of the first volunteers to learn welding. I went on to do the trainer/assessor components afterwards. This country used to be an industrial powerhouse, producing everything from Nails to aircraft. Today it is mostly leisure industry or Warehousing and even in places like Birmingham you are hard pressed to find and engineering or production work.
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Six sigma, business process engineering, 8D, lean manufacturing, lean six sigma, DAIMC, GEMBA walks, Continuous Improvement blah blah

Errrrr NO!! its called good management where all of the above are just new fads. I can do the stuff and use the bullshit words as it seems they don't understand it if I don't DOH!!.

If you communicate and simply talk with the workforce at all levels in a respectful manner, all of the above can be achieved in whatever "format" you want to call it.
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I never did an an apprenticedship. All the mechanica skills I got was from watching and helping as a kid Dad when he used to run his own garage business. I say "dad" as he was really my Uncle. My real Dad was in the RAF and when mym died when I was Two Dad couldn't leave the RAF as He'd sign up for the full term, so my brother and sister were packed off to boarding school, paid for the the MOD, as all foreign posting personnel were entitled to. and me being only two at the time got looked after by my Aunt and Uncle. However when I was 7 I got packed off to boarding school as well! Hated every minute of it. When I left in 1975 (Dad had come out of the RAF, so funding got stopped..hooray!) I left and went to live with Aunt and Uncle (Who I called Mum and DAD!) and Uncle had now stopped his garage business and had become a driver. So me joining him in thr business didn't happen. So I ended up first becoming a trainee Baker, then joined a local Engineering Merchants as a Trainee warehouse assistant, where I learnt all about the supplying of nuts, bolts, washers, and all engineering components etc. From there I went into the buying game for engineering components etc ,learning my "trade" as I progressed up the greasy pole of "management" learing how to reas drawings etc, from working within the manufacturing industry! Sadly most of the wel known and household names that I worked for have now gone tits up or merged and disappeared over time! Names like Roneo Vickers, Gestetner Manufacturing, Oxford Instruments, etc. The only real manufacturing company that I worked for and is still going is Cosworth Engineering and that has been bought and sold on, on a number of occassions.
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HOS, the most important biker saying is.... 'Keep it shiny side up', which it seems we all ignore (at our peril) from time to time. As for your IQ dropping, I read your posts and see a measured and examined reply. OK, spelling may go awry, as does mine, usually due to 'Fat Finger' syndrome or simply typing too fast for the brain to keep up. If what you write is a reflection of IQ then yours must have been in the higher bracket to start with. Not bigging you up, just stating a fact, as I see it.

For some reason, back a couple of decades ago, this country decided it didn't need apprenticeships (a situation I am glad to see has been reversed) and we lost the opportunity to train youngsters to do the technical jobs. Plumbers/Electricians/Builders from Poland and other Eastern European countries flooded Britain and took over. At KAB Seating we always had an apprentice in the maintenance dept. and they got into the NVQ system of which I was one of the first volunteers to learn welding. I went on to do the trainer/assessor components afterwards. This country used to be an industrial powerhouse, producing everything from Nails to aircraft. Today it is mostly leisure industry or Warehousing and even in places like Birmingham you are hard pressed to find and engineering or production work.
That confirms what I said about being able to communicate by written words rather than verbally. One of the beauties of an ABI is how you go "off" very quickly, its like falling off a cliff face. On the occassions when I get very tired and I've hit the wall with pain and I'm hungry that's when I get very out of hand. Its not cool.

I started out as a trainee with one of the top 5 design and build companies in the UK. I did technical college and worked my spuds off to progress on the career ladder. By the age of 21 I was running three multi million pound building contracts in NW England and I had earned my first professional institute membership and served on regional committee for that institute. I didn't see that I had any limits at the time and I was going for it. But the construction industry changed big style inn the 1980s and 90s. It became dog eat dog and there was no loyalty either way. That was when I went freelance/contract because there was so much shit and politics in the offices I worked that I didn't want to be a part of. My view was and still is, you are there to do a job. End of.
But that the beauty of being freelance because you are employed to get the job done and fuck the politics. That's why freelancers are mercenary in their approach to getting the job done. That's why they take you on. You develop a very high level of skill over the years which is borderline 6th sense about the job and people. But its all based on learning as you climb the career ladder.
Not some 20 something nob who's got a degree and thinks they already arrived.
I earned more on hourly rate than any architect or engineer I worked with. I wasn't unique in that either, there was a band of us. All very highly skilled technicians/technologists. Through hard practical experience not because of a mickey mouse general degree qualification on a piece of paper.

But I got taken down hard in 2001 and for me that was it, career over.
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I started with a gas fitting apprenticeship when I was 15 with the South Eastern Gas Board. I failed the apprenticeship due to the 3 B's... Bikes, Birds and Booze. At that age, all my mates were earning 4-5 times what I earned just labouring, but I did want more, just couldn't see it as an apprentice. When I was 17 I got my 15 year old girlfriend pregnant (we both lost our virginity together) and she later became my wife. At 21 I was already married with my eldest son arriving earlier in the year, the bike had to go, but before that I bought a Reliant. Working on the Brakes one Sunday morning, I needed a slave (can't call it that now) cylinder, so jumping on the bike I shot off to Stockwell, South London, where a bike and car spares shop would be open. I only got as far as the bend in the road about 400 yds, when a car turned across my path and I went over the top. I worked for the Gas Board as an Apprentice/ Maintenance fitter for 6 years and then we moved to Northampton. I worked in lots of jobs, Timken as a bearing grinder, Trondex as a Tool fitter, even the post Office at one point, just to keep working. I had gained lots of experience working on bikes and various jobs around the house and when then opportunity came I jumped into contract fitting. Because I was an unknown, I had to build a rep from scratch, as you are only as good as your last job. The first 'decent' job I had was at Watney's North London refurbishing pump seals and refitting them (the last crew had walked off the job, leaving them all stripped down and in one pile, which was not good as the pumps were all slightly different). We got on the job and the Boss says "You have done pumps before?" We had blagged the job and we said "No, but we need the work." Boss was great, he showed us how everything went together and we only had two failures 1. where they had tried a different seal. 2. where the had machined the bearing housing out to beyond normal spec in order to fit a cheaper seal. I went to Nigeria for 6 months with this firm (coca-cola) and was asked to do Baghdad Airport, which I turned down. Helped build the conveyor system for Heathrow's new terminal, Worked in most breweries, bottling plants and car plants in the UK, even the Co-oP cheese plant in Loch Maben where we lodged in Lockerbie. I eventually worked for myself(Can't get a better or worse Boss) with 8 people working for me on a need to finish the job basis. We did ghosters, weekenders, and all sorts to get the job done, especially job and knock (finish) where I managed to earn 110 hours money in 6 days. The end of the contract engineering came when competitors staring using guys that were signing on, I was charging 4 an hour and paying most of that to my guys and they were paying dolies 2.50 an hour, I couldn't compete and stay legal. The final nail came with my divorce, by then I was buying and selling precious metals (mainly silver from film) and they came up with silverless film and later computer imaging, so I ended up working for KAB in my final years. Not bad for a chancer who had no qualifications until I worked for KAB. Graft is one way to go but somebody said to me... The more you sweat at work, the less you get paid. It took a while to realise that he meant, learn your job and it becomes easy, Digging holes does not pay in the long run......
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Only easy because we worked fecking hard to make it that way instead of laying in bed all day and playing X-Box/Playstation all night.
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Only easy because we worked fecking hard to make it that way instead of laying in bed all day and playing X-Box/Playstation all night.
When I was 18 I had a full time job, I was working in another job on saturdays, I was doing day release at college, our Mum had passed away so me and my older brother had to look after the house while Dad worked, we did all the housework, cleaning, washing and the gardening. Oh and we still found time for a social life !! Sleep wurr a luxury in them days.
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Unfortunately for me Mum died of cancer when I was two, and my brother and sister are 12 and 10 years older than me. Dad was in the RAF at the time and he ran away from the situation, (partly his fault and partly RAF) by getting posted to Kuwait of all places. So the RAF paid for my brother and sister to go ot boarding school and I was looked after and brought up by my Aunt (Mum's sister) and Uncle, who I have always called Mum and Dad. But I've always known my Dad as "Dad" as Well. And he has always loved and looked after me and my siblings, all my life. Only recently I found out that Mum and Dad wanted to adopt me from my RAF Dad but he said "No". So but he then packed me off to boarding school as well when I was 7. I then spent the next seven yers of my life living a rotten, horrible bully ridden upbringing at school, from which you could not escape! I loved looking forward to the holidys. My RAF Dad was released Early from the RAF due to ill health and he could only afford to keep either or my step brother or me at school (he remarried when I was nine and I gained another two step brothers and a step sister!) so I promptly opted to leave boarding school early and go to a comprehensive, and live with my "mum and Dad" RAF dad wasn't happy but could understand! So althuogh I haven't had a "Hard Life" s they say it has been a "difficult" one....
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Unfortunately for me Mum died of cancer when I was two, and my brother and sister are 12 and 10 years older than me. Dad was in the RAF at the time and he ran away from the situation, (partly his fault and partly RAF) by getting posted to Kuwait of all places. So the RAF paid for my brother and sister to go ot boarding school and I was looked after and brought up by my Aunt (Mum's sister) and Uncle, who I have always called Mum and Dad. But I've always known my Dad as "Dad" as Well. And he has always loved and looked after me and my siblings, all my life. Only recently I found out that Mum and Dad wanted to adopt me from my RAF Dad but he said "No". So but he then packed me off to boarding school as well when I was 7. I then spent the next seven yers of my life living a rotten, horrible bully ridden upbringing at school, from which you could not escape! I loved looking forward to the holidys. My RAF Dad was released Early from the RAF due to ill health and he could only afford to keep either or my step brother or me at school (he remarried when I was nine and I gained another two step brothers and a step sister!) so I promptly opted to leave boarding school early and go to a comprehensive, and live with my "mum and Dad" RAF dad wasn't happy but could understand! So althuogh I haven't had a "Hard Life" s they say it has been a "difficult" one....
Yeah but you're not too shabby on it Friar. You're a decent man and you care about other people. Those attributes are very rare nowadays. I'm not too sure about your building and decorating skills though I'd have to o a full site inspection and snagging report. Maybe do a photographic survey and then maybe a risk assessment or two.
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Unleaded, or sometime its abbreviated to U/L or pump gas in the states.
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Old 13-03-2018, 05:27 AM
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Ignore him, his meds haven't kicked in fully today yet.......
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Old 13-03-2018, 05:28 AM
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Yeah but you're not too shabby on it Friar. You're a decent man and you care about other people. Those attributes are very rare nowadays. I'm not too sure about your building and decorating skills though I'd have to o a full site inspection and snagging report. Maybe do a photographic survey and then maybe a risk assessment or two.
Thanks for the kind words. As to risk assessment...well erm....
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Old 13-03-2018, 05:47 PM
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Unleaded, or sometime its abbreviated to U/L or pump gas in the states.
Couldn't work out what you meant as their was no context, even though this page was allegedly about fuel prices. To be honest I never look as it doesn't matter. I put what I can afford in and use it, when it's gone, it's gone. I always use my local Tesco, which is normally cheapest but somebody I kniow has just fecked his car up with Tesco fuel. Garage thought he had filled his petrol car with diesel but it was water in the fuel that caused all the problems..... Cheapest ain't always the best.
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Old 09-04-2018, 10:35 PM
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Prices here are between 116 and 123 per litre. Personally I always use petrol station rather than supermarkets, as the fuel is more full of additives. Not sure why but I get more mileage this way.
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Old 10-04-2018, 07:58 AM
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Prices here are between 116 and 123 per litre. Personally I always use petrol station rather than supermarkets, as the fuel is more full of additives. Not sure why but I get more mileage this way.
Additives are good !
We eat food with loads of additives before it became un PC, didn't do us any harm
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Old 10-04-2018, 08:10 AM
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Ive seen many arguements online about fuel additives whether they are any good or not. I've seen guys swear blind there is no difference between supermarket fuel and petrol station fuel.

But I always hark back to the time my mate Carl came round on his GSXR400 and we were going for a blast down to On-yur-bike near Aylesbury.
I got my Busa out the garage and while Carl had a rollie, I was getting me gear on and then tried to fire the bus up. It struggled to fire at all and then ran like a hound. Like it was only firing on three or less. It didn't clear either.
Carl asked me if I had "shit supermarket fuel" in it which it did.
He then asked me how old it was, looking at me sideways.
I said a few weeks old. That's fukkin why then ! he said.
He said get yourself up the top of town to the Shell station and fill up the other half of the tank with full fat Shell premium, that'll fix it.
I was dubious to say the least, but Carl was quite persuasive and he wanted to go for a blast out.
Eventually I half listened to him and we rode up town, where I topped the tank up with full fat premium whatever Shell petrol. Paid for the petrol and fired the bike up, it ran 100% perfect immediately, compared to running like a pissed Lada on 3 cylinders all the way up there.

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Was out on a memorial run on Sunday. Gauge on the bike said I had 120miles left, which wouldn't get me there and back so I had to make the decision whether to fuel up near home (ish) or just fill up at the destination (Hawes in the Yorkshire Dales). Bugger me I'm pleased I chose the first option. Local garage was 1.18.9 a litre, Yorkshire one was 131.9 Jeezuz!
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Additives are good !
We eat food with loads of additives before it became un PC, didn't do us any harm
Not convinced lol.
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Pump prices are creeping up again, Now 118.9 at the local tescos. Why is it, it always goes up when I need to fill up?
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Pump prices are creeping up again, Now 118.9 at the local tescos. Why is it, it always goes up when I need to fill up?
Stop filling up and give us a chance of some cheap petrol/diesel.......
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