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Old 11-06-2008, 07:59 AM
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Can this be sticky'd please?

There is a website here that answers all bike MoT questions, so there isn't the usual dose of misinformation that often appears on these threads (such as needing a high-beam or neutral light... you don't need either!).

http://www.motuk.co.uk/mcmanual_610.htm

I know it's all with the best of intentions... but misinformation often leads to more stress for the poor sods having to get their bikes sorted over and above what they need to.
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That'll be right useful ,so it will.

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Interesting read...

One question jumps out at me:

On page regarding VIN numbers:


http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_630.htm


It states that a VIN is required on all vehicles first used on or after 1 August 1980.

Does that mean if the vehicle is older it does not legally have to have one?

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Old 11-06-2008, 03:33 PM
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It says after that date, so draw your own conclusions
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Interesting read...
Irishbiker, I assume you're based in Northern Ireland in which case you should we aware that the likn Mitch posted refers to the GB MOT. The NI MOT for bikes (and certainly for trikes) is slightly different than the GB one (i.e. NI requires speedos to be dual MPH/KPM marked whereas a MPH only speedo is fine in GB).
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I'm from Northern Ireland (Antrim Town) but I'm currently in Buxton, but yes I know our MOT's are slightly different. Tho there was this old guy who used to work at the Ballymena centre who was nice to bikers....

Saying that I'd say most of the MOT specs that the DVLA use are prob the same for the DVLNI. (I've even heard they are moving the offices from Coleraine to Swansea).

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Saying that I'd say most of the MOT specs that the DVLA use are prob the same for the DVLNI. (I've even heard they are moving the offices from Coleraine to Swansea).
Nope, they're not the same specs. We've been having a lot of problems over the past year or so with trike MOTs and the DVTA NI (or DVA as they're known now) won't let us see their Testers manuals to sort out any disagreements about their interpretation of the C&U and RVLR regulations...
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Irishbiker, I assume you're based in Northern Ireland in which case you should we aware that the likn Mitch posted refers to the GB MOT. The NI MOT for bikes (and certainly for trikes) is slightly different than the GB one (i.e. NI requires speedos to be dual MPH/KPM marked whereas a MPH only speedo is fine in GB).


Mitch I applaud your idea of getting rid of misinformation but it's harder than you think. Titusni If you check the MOT manual you find no requirement for a speedo at all. A speedo is required by construction and use regulations (C&U) and for type approval or MSVA a pre registration test. So the tester can't fail you for a lack of one or incorrect markings on it. BUT a copper on the road can do you for not having one cos he uses C&U regs.
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And Mitch yours is out of date, too, it was last updated sept 07 so even Borgs Reg plates changes arent noted there either. God knows what else they have changed since then.
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Titusni If you check the MOT manual you find no requirement for a speedo at all. A speedo is required by construction and use regulations (C&U) and for type approval or MSVA a pre registration test. So the tester can't fail you for a lack of one or incorrect markings on it. BUT a copper on the road can do you for not having one cos he uses C&U regs.
I was focusing to the Northern Ireland situation, so maybe my choice of words weren't the best regarding the GB situation.

According to the "Motor Vehicle Testing Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2003" the MOT testers will apply regulations 40 & 41 from "Motor Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 1999" regarding speedometers. Regulation 40 of C&U(NI) requires a bike, trike, or car to be fitted with a speedometer capable of indicating speed in both MPH and KPH either simultaneously or switchable between the 2 displays.

So a dual marked speedo *IS* required for bikes, trikes, cars, etc to pass a MOT in Northern Ireland as well as being a legal requirements for vehicle use on the road.

Whereas in GB you can pass a MOT without a speedo fitted but legally must have a speedo fitted when using the vehicle on the road (though the speedo can be MPH only).

The point being that someone in Northern Ireland can buy a 2nd hand trike that's been happily MOTed in GB for several years (with a MPH-only speedo so legal for GB road use) and then some time in the following 12 months they take it for its 1st MOT in Northern Ireland and suddenly they're surprised to find that its fails as the speedo isn't dual-marked.

If you compare the NI and GB versions of RVLR and C&U and also the MOT testing regs there are quite a few subtle differences.
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Interesting read...

One question jumps out at me:

On page regarding VIN numbers:


http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_630.htm


It states that a VIN is required on all vehicles first used on or after 1 August 1980.

Does that mean if the vehicle is older it does not legally have to have one?

P.
I would assume so, since that's the only sensible option - in earlier years some manufacturers didn't bother numbering the frame (it was, after all, generally just a few bits of tube welded together). Harley certainly didn't universally number their frames until about 1970, so you get bikes from the '50s and '60s where the owner has just stamped some random number on (like his birthday!), just so as to have summat on the log book!
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As a tester it makes it better for us if we can read the frame number when we log on no matter what age the bike is so we use the right pass / fail for things like indicators horn etc . When we log on it brings up date if first use etc it also keeps all the mot history in one vosa file . If we log on with no frame number on a bike it makes a new vosa record

From a punters view it's down to you to prove the age of the bike so if you turn up with out your v5 with a bike you say is say 1971 so you can have a bulb horn and black / white plates you have to prove its age . The easy way have ŷour v5 to hand

It just makes it so much better for every one
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3 line number plates are down to age of the bike
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hi i am an mot tester please feel free to ask any mot questions you need i test class 123 and 4 im here to help its nuffin scary they are just rules for which there is simple ansas

but dont ask what you can get away with for example ........ its not the testers fault your no plate the size of a fag packet failed for example he doesnt make the rules but his job depends on them you know the legal plate is the one a new bike come with so no probs

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I am also now an mot tester i only do bikes class I &II just thought i'd mention theres different rules & regs for bikes & cars which is where a lot of the confusion & misinformation comes from ........... as an example theres no numberplate size rules for bikes just letter size so if i can read it from a reasonable distance its a pass
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My bike came with a speedo in Km and its been like that in the UK for 10 years.

I've now changed it for a speedo in Mph to make it easier to keep to the speed limit.

My question is - The mileage on the new speedo is 35,000 miles, where as the Km speedo was 9,000 km... So that a big up in mileage but only on the speedo - how do I report this to the DVLA and what happens at MOT time?
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At mot time the tester will put down exactly whatever is showing on the clock in either kmh or mph whichever it is shown in, the last 3 milage readings on the mot should show the milage in whatever it was read in .... eg 1234kmh 2345kmh then 47627 MPH or whatever so it will be easy to see that a clock change as been done

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At mot time the tester will put down exactly whatever is showing on the clock in either kmh or mph whichever it is shown in, the last 3 milage readings on the mot should show the milage in whatever it was read in .... eg 1234kmh 2345kmh then 47627 MPH or whatever so it will be easy to see that a clock change as been done

I've been told that the DVLA will note the change when I tell them...
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At mot time the tester will put down exactly whatever is showing on the clock in either kmh or mph whichever it is shown in, the last 3 milage readings on the mot should show the milage in whatever it was read in .... eg 1234kmh 2345kmh then 47627 MPH or whatever so it will be easy to see that a clock change as been done

actually the MOT has space for Odometer reading and history..not miles or kilometers..one of mine reads 30/12/2010 : 1308..20/02/2012 : 27858..14/02/1013 : 27963 ..10/02/14 : 29785..One of my other bikes has a speedo that displays speed in MPH and the odometer clocks up Kilometers..the MOT station said they only record the numbers, not what they represent.

In America clocking is legal on bikes over a certain age so you will never see an old bike imported from the states with over 30,000 miles on it..

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I am also now an mot tester i only do bikes class I &II just thought i'd mention theres different rules & regs for bikes & cars which is where a lot of the confusion & misinformation comes from ........... as an example theres no numberplate size rules for bikes just letter size so if i can read it from a reasonable distance its a pass
On the other hand, there are LEGAL rules for numberplate sizes on bikes and you can be pulled up by the police and fined if the plate is too small! - I know cos it happened to my daughter.
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On the other hand, there are LEGAL rules for numberplate sizes on bikes and you can be pulled up by the police and fined if the plate is too small! - I know cos it happened to my daughter.
Just because you get a tug from plod does not mean a thing, they once tried to do me for tyre tread below 1.6mm. on a bike.

I was looking at a DVLA poster today about reg plates and I noticed something for the car plate they quoted a "border" size from the digits to the edge of the plate but this was not mentioned for the bike plate.

Now this being DVLA who are useless it needs more research but it could mean that only the digit size and spacing needs to be right on a bike plate.

After all officer it's what DVLA recomend
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Found this via Gov.uk site, last updated: 10 June 2014

From DVLA leaflet INF104 - Vehicle registration numbers and number plates


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Motorcycles and tricycles

There are separate provisions for motorcycles and tricycles. This means, motorcycles registered from 1 September 2001 must only display a number plate at the rear of the vehicle.

Motorcycles registered before 1 September 2001 can display a number plate at the front, but do not have to. The number plate must be a “2-line” number plate and must be displayed on all motorcycles registered on or after 1 January 1973. Tricycles derived from four-wheeled bodies, such as saloon cars and quad bikes must meet the normal requirements above.

Tricycles derived from motorcycles must meet the requirements for motorcycles shown below.

Character height 64mm
Character width (except the figure 1 or letter I) 44mm
Character stroke 10 mm
Space between characters 10mm
Space between groups 30mm
Top, bottom and side margins (minimum) 11mm
Vertical space between groups 13mm

Number plates fitted before 1 September 2001
(I can't copy this as it's in two columns but the link is https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-number-plates

So yes, there are rules about the border size, and the lettering size, and they have to be on two lines - Rose's plate didn't comply with any of those.
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On the other hand, there are LEGAL rules for numberplate sizes on bikes and you can be pulled up by the police and fined if the plate is too small! - I know cos it happened to my daughter.
Very true & ive mentioned this fault & others before

All down to the the different rules for MOT's & the road traffic act, dont shoot the messenger
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