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Old 11-03-2005, 11:50 AM
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Scorch,

Yes mate you can

even C& U excuses non car vehicles from having suspension

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Old 12-03-2005, 12:42 AM
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Thank you to Chris for giving up his time to do this for us all, I have just re-discovered the 100% website and what a change and this is the best bit! Sorry but you can probably expect some more odd questions from this direction. Once again, THANK YOU Chris!!!
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Old 15-03-2005, 12:06 PM
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Another MSVA question.

When my trike was tested a year ago one of the initial issues was that it had 3 tail/brake lights rather than 2. To get it through the MSVA the middle tail light was disconnected (well actually it had a bit of cardboard put inside the lense to block it as the tail also was the license plate light).

I never did hear a problem explanation for why there couldn't be 3 tail lights.

So what exactly do the regs say?
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Old 15-03-2005, 12:42 PM
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do i need a reversing light on my reliant based trike?
if so where do i take a feed from i assume somewhere on the gear box?
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Old 17-03-2005, 03:42 PM
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Hi All

Scorch: Cheers m8 glad to be of help.

Titus: I know your MSVA was done in the early days, what I reckon happened is that because there is no mention of optional stop/tail lights they didn't allow them But (as I keep saying there's alway one) because MSVA is a (GB) national scheme (legislation for the official NI scheme came in Jan) the number of lamps allowed follows RVLR and not EC directives. Directives are cut and dried ie you must have these lamps you can have these lamps and nothing else. RVLR does not limit the fitting of certain addidional lamps and that is reflected in the MSVA regs though perhaps not quite so clearly in the manual. So as long as all your rear lamps are fitted on the centre line or symetrically they will be ok. When alls said and done we all make mistakes at least this one didn't adversely affect safety.

Greg: Not for MSVA m8 they are optional. If your want to fit one they have to be white (the light that is), no more than 2 lamps and the whole lamp(s) fitted between 250mm and 1200mm from the ground.
Reversing lamps are not an MoT test item either.

Right I'm going to be off untill 29th so you all have a good easter and I'll catch up with you then

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Old 22-03-2005, 04:41 PM
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Titus: I know your MSVA was done in the early days, what I reckon happened is that because there is no mention of optional stop/tail lights they didn't allow them But (as I keep saying there's alway one) because MSVA is a (GB) national scheme (legislation for the official NI scheme came in Jan) the number of lamps allowed follows RVLR and not EC directives. Directives are cut and dried ie you must have these lamps you can have these lamps and nothing else. RVLR does not limit the fitting of certain addidional lamps and that is reflected in the MSVA regs though perhaps not quite so clearly in the manual. So as long as all your rear lamps are fitted on the centre line or symetrically they will be ok. When alls said and done we all make mistakes at least this one didn't adversely affect safety.
RVLR is the UK road lighting regs?

So as my mid-tail/brake is on the centre line I guess I'm fine then.

Thanks mate.
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Old 11-04-2005, 12:54 PM
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Hi Chris
Sorry I am new to this Forum business and have posted a question as a new thread instead of on your sticky. Could you have a look and let me know what you think? Many thanks, Duggie
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Chris,
i've been told that if a bike is over 10 years old and the trike conversion can be removed, thus able to turn trike into bike again.... then it doesn't need an MSVA test. (Breathe).
Is this correct?

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I was told any vehicle modified over 10 years ago doesnt need it either....as the DVLA points system hadnt come in then, is this correct does anyone know?
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Old 19-04-2005, 08:12 AM
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Guys,

MSVA does not apply to vehicles over ten years old. If you take an old bike and convert it you are creating a different vehicle and if DVLA reckon it needs MSVA then that's where we in VOSA come in.

MSVA only applies to vehicles that are not registered or have to be re registered. DVLA have various definitions of vehicles; rebuilt, radically altered etc with their own rules for different types. They do a leaflet called INF26 which gives more info.

I know this doesn't clarify things too much but my knowledge is based on how to prep things to get through MSVA. I'm not too hot on how to avoid it altogether (nor would I want to be otherwise I'd be out of a job!!)

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Old 19-04-2005, 08:20 AM
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can you use a disc lock as a handbrake ?
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Old 19-04-2005, 08:34 AM
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Ever tried doing a hill start with a disc lock. Not impossible, but would need two peeps......
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just curious mate, its mechanical could be perminantly fixed etc
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just curious mate, its mechanical could be perminantly fixed etc
i think that a hand brake has to be able to be applied from the seated position on the trike...........see trike tek does sink in

dont think moving your seat to the front wheel will work, neither will sitting upside down on your seat so that the front wheel is within reach will either
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Old 19-04-2005, 09:10 AM
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So Chris, if I had triked say a VW beetle back in 1994 and kept the original registration, that would have been OK then.......what would happen if i had forgot to change the details of the log book back then and it still said it was a car?
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Old 20-04-2005, 07:07 AM
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Davesatan,

I'll have a pint of what you're drinking mate! As pointed out by Yoda you have to be able to apply the parking brake from the riding position, nice try.

Excalibur,

You are supposed to notify DVLA of any changes that affect their records it would have been better doing it in 94 when there was no SVA of any type. If, for example, you were pulled by the police and they checked the reg no and it came up as a car and they were looking at a trike there might be some questions asked. I'm not too hot on the DVLA side of things but I'm sure they can hit you with a fine for not keeping them informed of changes .
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Old 20-04-2005, 10:30 AM
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Basically if they stop you and do a check and it comes up as a car when in fact you are on a trike. Your stuffed, its ilegal, and they throw the book at you. I've heard of cases where the trike is impounded there and then, I've even heard of it being impounded and crushed!
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Basically if they stop you and do a check and it comes up as a car when in fact you are on a trike. Your stuffed, its ilegal, and they throw the book at you. I've heard of cases where the trike is impounded there and then, I've even heard of it being impounded and crushed!
Trust me this is true. Happened to a fellow Club Member.

Police stopped him because he was riding a trike but the V5 and DVLA record showed it as a Reliant Robin Estate Tricycle.

Whilst it was a Reliant and original chassis as tricycle - , the body design on the DVLA shows it as having a Robin body, which it clearly did not have.

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Old 21-04-2005, 07:53 AM
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The reason I ask is because a mate of mine has a VW trike, that he built in 1987. He has had it for years, but realised the other day he forgot to inform DVLA of the changes and it still says its a car. I know back then a lot of trikes using VW's kept the original mark as there was no points system. I used to have a Phoenix trike years ago and a 1979 T plate and the log book said VW Beetle Tricycle.
Was just wondering if anyone knew what he could do to set the record straight and get it all legal, he's been riding it for all these years as it is
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Old 25-04-2005, 10:42 AM
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Ok just a quick one, in the prosses of designing my trike i came up with the idea of putting the indicators infont of the foot control's ( my dragons front arms) to save them sticking out of the dragons neck (the controls and head set). I have looked through the book (thanks for details by the way) and am unable to find anything about the "official" hight of indicators.
Is there such a thing as a hight off the floor? Have i missed it when i glossed through? Thats all, thanks, scotty.
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Old 25-04-2005, 01:04 PM
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Hi Scotty no probs mate, the info on lighting position is in Annex 5 of section 6. Front indicators have to be at least 350mm from the ground and no higher than 1500mm (the whole lamp needs to be between these figures).They also have to be a minimum of 240mm apart. Front indicators can be mounted on the rear mudguards (dragon's wings? ) as well as at the front.

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Old 26-04-2005, 12:49 PM
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Yeah i had already thought of the wheel mud guards as wings.
However i was going to mount the rear indicators and rear brake light in the mud gaurd, but yeah i dont see why i cant make my idea into a tube incorporated in the mud gaurd, and have the front indecators as well.

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any advice chris cheers dave
http://www.100-biker.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=6070
road legal dodgem ?
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Old 28-04-2005, 07:00 AM
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Hi Dave,

Anything's possible if your imagination's big enough and your pockets deep enough.

The speed puts it outside the moped categories (2,3 or 4 wheeled) so it would be a bodied trike or quad depending on how many wheels are lurking under it.

If you go for it let me know, I'd love to be at the MSVA for that one

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Old 28-04-2005, 07:17 AM
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starting to go for silly money but tempted to give it a try cheers chris
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Old 29-04-2005, 12:38 AM
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Chris,

What, exactly, does this over 10 years old thing mean?

If you chop something about and it's pre 1995 it doesn't need an SVA test?
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Old 29-04-2005, 06:43 AM
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Hi Blackjack,

Enjoyed the shed head, nice one, puts my feeble attempts at shaping ally to shame!

The ten year old thing is a rolling exemption that DVLA will accept for unregistered vehicles for which the date of origin (manufacture, first use or first registration outside GB) can be proved.

If you have a bike that is already registered and you modify it you need to tell DVLA about things on the V5 or V5C (colour, engine details wheelplan etc) if it is not classed as radically altered (usually bike to trike), or rebuilt using a mix of new and used parts (second hand frames are the killer here) they will note the alterations and sent anew V5C.

DVLA do aleaflet (INF 26) which explains their rules and the infamous points system. The info is also on their website (dvla.gov.uk)

At the end of the day (oh **** a cliche! ) MSVA requirement will depend on what you start with what you do with it and what you end up with.

If you want to discuss specifics you can give me a bell on 0117 954 2544 on work days.

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Yeah, Right. So where were you today then?

Do you just work in Bristol or do you live here too?
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so msva tech from your reply to blackjack, if i for example had an old ss50 that was modified(eg made rigid ) over 10 years ago and its been languishing in a shed since then and it used all the same engine forks wheels etc ,is the same colour,but has had the frame modified then it doesnt need an msva. is that correct.
sorry if its a stupid question but being bristolian means i can't decipher big sentances.oh and a simplistic answer would be appreciated
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Are there any rules in the msva (trike) that controls (indicators,horn,dip)
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