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Old 16-09-2009, 06:58 AM
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The architect of the toughest anti-gang laws in the world has challenged New Zealand to consider similar measures or risk becoming a "safe refuge".

South Australia Premier Mike Rann said gangs in the state were under "enormous pressure" since they were outlawed late last year.

The laws can make it illegal for gang members to even talk to one another. Breaching the ban can lead to up to five years in prison.

The ban has so far been applied only to the Finks motorcycle gang, but Mr Rann said the staunch opposition to the law showed it was disrupting gangs already

The South Australian Labor Government's measures had already been adopted by other states, he said, and there were moves to harmonise the hardline legislation nationwide.

Mr Rann said part of the reason it was being picked up around Australia was because the states did not want to become a refuge for gangs driven away from areas that had the tough laws - something New Zealand should consider.

"It is a national problem. It is an international problem. There should be no safe refuge," he told the Herald.

Mr Rann was raised in New Zealand and is a university friend of Labour leader Phil Goff. He was here speaking at the party's weekend conference.

Asked if an anti-gang law like his could work in New Zealand, Mr Rann said he believed so and the Government would be "wise to have a look".

Justice Minister Simon Power is keeping a watching brief and has visited South Australia to discuss the law.

Mr Goff has said Labour will adopt it as a policy if it is proven to work.

The South Australian laws are far more wide-ranging than Wanganui's gang patch ban.

A gang is outlawed by being declared a criminal organisation on advice from the police. Control orders can then be made against individual members, making it illegal for them to associate or communicate with others and public safety orders can be issued banning gangs from public places or events.

The Finks are the the first gang to be outlawed and the matter is now stalled in a legal wrangle. But Mr Rann said this was a sign of its success.

"If it won't work, then whyare bikies spending a fortuneto hire the best lawyers in thecountry to fight our legislation?"

Similar laws have already been passed in New South Wales, Queensland and the Northern Territory have legislation drawn up and Western Australia is preparing to follow suit.

Mr Rann said he had doubled the number of police officers on the gang taskforce.

"We gave police the resources and laws they asked for," he said.

He dismissed the argument put forward by some that gangs were a cultural development that could not be curbed by stringent laws.

"I don't accept this cultural thing ... Gangs are about using extortion, murder, rape and extreme violence to garner territory for selling drugs to kids."

* South Australia's policy

A gang is outlawed by being declared a criminal organisation on advice from the police.

Control orders can then be made against individual members, making it illegal for them to associate or communicate with other members and from being in certain places.

Police can also issue public safety orders banning gangs from public places or events.

Breaches of the law are punishable by up to five years in jail.
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Old 16-09-2009, 07:19 AM
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I hope the North Wales police don't read this. They will be on the next plane to Australia on a fact finding trip.
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Old 16-09-2009, 09:28 AM
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We ran a piece in BSH on the Australian Serious and Organised Crime (Control) Bill and how it had affected a run (the Gypsy Jokers MC's Poker Run) in BSH 298. This from what I wrote at the time:

South Australia’s own police force itself estimates that there are only 250 club members in South Australia. Arthur Veno, former director of police and justice studies at Monash University and author of a number of books, including ‘The Mammoth Book of Bikers’, recently asked South Australia for the crime statistics on gang-related crime. His request was denied. But another state, New South Wales did reveal that during the period 2005 to 2007, only 0.6% of crimes – or around one in two hundred – was gang-related, and that figure included youth and ethnic gangs as well as outlaw biker clubs.
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Old 16-09-2009, 10:34 AM
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They will be on the next plane to Australia on a fact finding trip.
Maybe they'll fuckin' stay there then.
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Old 16-09-2009, 02:06 PM
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We ran a piece in BSH on the Australian Serious and Organised Crime (Control) Bill and how it had affected a run (the Gypsy Jokers MC's Poker Run) in BSH 298. This from what I wrote at the time:

South Australia’s own police force itself estimates that there are only 250 club members in South Australia. Arthur Veno, former director of police and justice studies at Monash University and author of a number of books, including ‘The Mammoth Book of Bikers’, recently asked South Australia for the crime statistics on gang-related crime. His request was denied. But another state, New South Wales did reveal that during the period 2005 to 2007, only 0.6% of crimes – or around one in two hundred – was gang-related, and that figure included youth and ethnic gangs as well as outlaw biker clubs.

But as with most police forces around the world they all seem to think.............why let the facts get in the way.

Just look at the burk's at warwickshire Police for starters
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Old 16-09-2009, 02:15 PM
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It seems that they are targeting Clubs not ordinary Bikers, ie after the 1% Outlaw clubs. By definition those who live outside the laws. So why is anyone surprised. Yes it's wrong but if you claim to live outside the law expect the law to get the arse about it.
It seems other than those who deservedly had their show cancelled after the callous murder on the M40 the only other to suffer in this country was Steve Bennett who ironically has no links to any clubs.
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Old 16-09-2009, 02:46 PM
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It seems that they are targeting Clubs not ordinary Bikers, ie after the 1% Outlaw clubs. By definition those who live outside the laws. So why is anyone surprised. Yes it's wrong but if you claim to live outside the law expect the law to get the arse about it.
It seems other than those who deservedly had their show cancelled after the callous murder on the M40 the only other to suffer in this country was Steve Bennett who ironically has no links to any clubs.
Bit of a strange outlook Shaggy, have you not read about the Police in North wales, the road checks at the Bulldog, you mention Steve bennet, it wasnt just him that was affected what about all the people that wanted to attend his events
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Old 16-09-2009, 02:59 PM
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I understand that Si but wasn't it the actions of a 1% club that has resulted in the actions which closed Steve's events. Yes the Police overreacted but they were given the stick to beat us with. They look for a reason to stop anything they have no power over and stop it they did. Steve didn't have barristers to fight his cause and the tactics they used would have not given him the opportunity of defence with the Bulldog the police were given a bloody nose legally and a reaction to that was obvious. If the patch clubs want the support they are asking for then surely to show unification against one cause is what is needed. Maybe by helping the likes of Steve maybe legally or fiscally to aid the fighting cause. If its a us against them fight stick together don't only fight your own corner.
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Old 16-09-2009, 03:14 PM
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Thinking about it hasn't some patch clubs abroad maybe Aus I cant remember now, joined in a unified legal battle against these new laws. Its not far off of doing what I suggest. Its only the UK where there is such a difference between Clubs mcc mc etc If there could be a way of uniting you would have a much stronger power. But as for non club members ie the ordinary bikers/motorcyclists. They will be harder to convince its their battle until they see something happening.
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If the patch clubs want the support they are asking for then surely to show unification against one cause is what is needed. Maybe by helping the likes of Steve maybe legally or fiscally to aid the fighting cause.
It's quite conceivable that this happened.
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Old 17-09-2009, 06:26 AM
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Steve, wasnt the reason for steve's events being cancelled never made clear?
I thought it was all ''Police intelligence'' that wasnt disclosed?
It also all seems to be getting like the rave or the travellers scence ie....they dont like people having fun.
But the whole point of the article was to show how this legislation is being looked at and the possibility of it spreading that I find worrying
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