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Lucerne IS Alfalfa. I don't know WHY I bother sometimes
so where do you plug it into the computer then
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It is a high protein forage mainly for silage
and I've got loads of it

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Lucerne is a long term, drought resistant and high yielding legume which is grown mainly for silage. Typically it will produce 3 or more cuts per year. It has a high protein content of around 18-22% and is a good source of vitamins and minerals. The majority of lucerne is grown pure or with a small inclusion of non-aggressive grass as it has little tolerance of competitive ryegrass.
Although lucerne is usually ensiled it can also be made into hay. It should be handled carefully during the hay drying process as it is very delicate. It is popular forage for horses and can therefore be a useful cash crop. A further possibility is to feed lucerne green. The risk of bloat is very real and for this reason the best way to feed fresh is to cut and leave for 24hrs prior to feeding.
Yield
Dry matter yields are likely to be 14t/ha. It will require adequate phosphate and potash levels to achieve this and a ph of 6 is considered the minimum. Being a legume it will not require any artificial nitrogen

Field Choice
Only grow lucerne on free draining soils as it will perform badly on waterlogged ground. The range of suitable soil types is considered from clay loam to a light chalk or limestone and it is on the latter that lucerne has been traditionally grown. Lucerne is very sensitive to poor drainage and compacted soil conditions that restrict root growth, nor will it tolerate acid soils.

Sowing & Establishment
It is advisable to sow either in the spring or summer. Late autumn sowing is risky as the seedlings being slow growing at first do not have time to develop before the onset of winter.
For spring sowings it is popular to undersow a spring cereal. Priority has to be given to the lucerne. Sow the cereal at half the recommended sowing rate. Ideally cut the cereal, usually spring barley, for silage at the milky stage.
When sowing in the summer it is usual to follow an early harvested cereal such as winter barley. The middle of August is the latest date for sowing provided a good seedbed can be made and there is sufficient moisture available.

The Soil Benefits
Large legumes such as lucerne and sainfoin are excellent soil improvers. When these crops are ploughed up they leave behind not only high levels of soil nitrogen but also deeply aerated soil as a result of their penetrating roots. This allows the movement of air and moisture through the soil which improves the soils structure effecting its ability to hold and drain water.
Now your talking alfalfa.

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ooooooooohhhhhhhhhh, i know what alfalfa is now. it's one of them Italian cars called alf.
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there was an alian called alf
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so what is this Alfalfa Grass then and what does it do?
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But it ain't grass.
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was going to post something , but to be honest i just lost the will to live
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Can someone give me the reader's digest consensed book format and can I eat Alfalfa grass? (Not that I really care any more )
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maybe readers digest will offer it as a prioze?
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Told yer, it ain't grass.
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maybe we should chew over this

or should it be put out to pasture?
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You may well find it in the pasture but it's still not grass.
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i have accertained the non grassness of it

this fallow has sussed that
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I'm glad you understand it's not grass - you are an intelligent fellow!
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well theres a first for everything
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I thought it was more akin to a bean sprout than a grass
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Mmmmmmm,stir fried bean sprouts.......
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Alfalfa (family: Fabaceae, the pea family)
It is from a genus of perennial flowering plant Medicago Sativa,
Commonly referred to as a Medic and also called lucerne.
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PAT, PAT, PLEASE DELETE THIS THREAD ,BEFORE I THROUGH MYSELF OF DOUGLAS HEAD





















bet all you barstewards tell her to leave it now
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But ~~I was about to move on to Sainfoin Onobrychis viciifolia
Now Sainfoin's REAL interesting.
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But ~~I was about to move on to Sainfoin Onobrychis viciifolia
Now Sainfoin's REAL interesting.

NO......................
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Is that a grass?
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I really am losing the will to live..........
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I really am losing the will to live..........
Dougie , shoot me , shoot me now, before you commit harry carry , please
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Okay.....

BANG!!
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Okay.....

BANG!!

oh wait , have nae had me breakfast yet ........aaaarghhh.oh bugger
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Is that a grass?
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Sainfoin, from the the french Saint Foin, the patron saint of hay.
When Jesus was laid in the manger on a bed of hay it was transformed
from hard & course to soft & fine.
The hay in the manger was most probably Sainfoin Hay, a valuable feed for
working horses because of it's very high protein value.
Introduced to Britian from France in the 1700, Sainfoin was grown on nearly every farm that had suitable land & working horses until the introduction of tractors. Many locations had their own strain i.e. Hampshire Common & Cotswold Common.
Bumble Bee numbers may have tumbled due to the demise of Sainfoin crops.

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Sainfoin, from the the french Saint Foin, the patron saint of hay.
When Jesus was laid in the manger on a bed of hay it was transformed
from hard & course to soft & fine.
The hay in the manger was most probably Sainfoin Hay, a valuable feed for
working horses because of it's very high protein value.
Introduced to Britian from France in the 1700, Sainfoin was grown on nearly every farm that had suitable land & working horses until the introduction of tractors. Many locations had their own strain i.e. Hampshire Common & Cotswold Common.
Bumble Bee numbers may have tumbled due to the demise of Sainfoin crops.

Not a lot of people know any of this

i am thrilled by this new learning of yours sir bedevere

but pray tell hat is best for a palliase?
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