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Old 13-09-2011, 03:07 PM
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In answer to previous posts about lack of press, not only are MAG contacting people but they have also sent anyone on their email list and all reps a pro forma press release with space to fill in the details of local meeting places to be sent to any press contact people feel fit.
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Old 13-09-2011, 08:48 PM
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Paris saw the second largest demonstration after Lille with over 4,000 bikers riding through the capital and bringing the heart of the city to a complete blockade for hours.


see, now that's more like it, that's worth doing....


this ultra-polite, English "let's cruise up and down the motorway at 50mph, we don't want to upset anyone now, do we..." attitude is completely pointless and a waste of time and petrol.

we need thousands of us to ride round the major regional towns slowly (15mph) for hours in a co-ordinated action.
will it happen? not a fucking chance. there'll be plenty of moaning on the interweb tho..........
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Old 14-09-2011, 07:01 AM
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Paris saw the second largest demonstration after Lille with over 4,000 bikers riding through the capital and bringing the heart of the city to a complete blockade for hours.


see, now that's more like it, that's worth doing....


this ultra-polite, English "let's cruise up and down the motorway at 50mph, we don't want to upset anyone now, do we..." attitude is completely pointless and a waste of time and petrol.

we need thousands of us to ride round the major regional towns slowly (15mph) for hours in a co-ordinated action.
will it happen? not a fucking chance. there'll be plenty of moaning on the interweb tho..........
I agree with you Rob, we need proper action not some half-arsed attempt but unfortunately there are too many people who are scared of what the outcome would be - ie arrest or police caution and what it would do to their perceived reputation or what they would say at work.
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Old 14-09-2011, 07:49 AM
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I agree with you Rob, we need proper action not some half-arsed attempt but unfortunately there are too many people who are scared of what the outcome would be - ie arrest or police caution and what it would do to their perceived reputation or what they would say at work.
I agree..but there is no need to fear..most cities have an average speed of five miles per hour any day so all it would need is not to filter..

So that's three of us...I don't think too many people will notice..

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Old 16-09-2011, 02:00 PM
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Latest from MAG (haven't asked my MP as I can't see Redwood on a bike somehow)


So many riders have been signing up to the activists mailing list this
week, I thought it would be a good idea to resend the suggested Press
Release (that needs your own local tweaks) and just do a quick update on
developments.

Every Police Traffic division in the country is aware of the day and not
unreasonably are making a few requests, such as remember that road rules
apply on the day and, if a friend or club member breaks down (that'll be
me) do not all stop on the hard shoulder to help. Please exit at the
next available point and wait. One friend (no doubt with tool kit) can
help, if the bikes don't block the hard shoulder, but collections of
bikes on the hard shoulder will not be tolerated.

Anyway, with that out of the way, I thought you should know that over
65,000 people have viewed the start point map now and it looks like 4
MPs will be riding with us. Have you asked yours to come along. You
never know, they may want to!

http://tinyurl.com/Action-Now-EU-Hands-Off-Biking

Please tweak the PR below if you need inspiration, for all local press
etc. and don't forget to enjoy the day.

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Hundreds of bikers from ............. will leave the ...... services at
Junction....... of the ....... at 1pm on Sunday September 25th, to ride
along the motorway in convoy. The ride, organised by the Motorcycle
Action Group (MAG) is intended to draw attention to a raft of EU 
proposals aimed at motorcycling. The local ride mirrors over 70 others
that will take place around the UK at exactly the same time.

Using the inside lanes and riding at around 45mph, the bikers will ride
for about 20 miles before dispersing.

A proposed EU Regulation threatens the right of owners to modify their
machines, and yet another one, which aims to harmonise roadworthiness
testing, would single out motorcycles for regular roadside checks.
Besides the EU proposals, domestic legislation in France will undermine
motorcycling as part of an integrated transport policy and the rights of
those who ride, because the French Government intends to:

• Make all bikers wear high visibility/reflective clothing
• Prohibit filtering between cars in traffic jams
• Prohibit bikes over seven years of age from urban areas

These regulations will apply to riders visiting from abroad.

The Irish Government is also demanding that bikers wear full sleeved
high visibility jackets.

MAG’s Campaigns Manager, Paddy Tyson said  “MAG is determined that the
onus of blame should not be shifted to riders in an accident situation
where a 3rd party didn’t actually look and conspicuity arguments are
irrelevent. Both French and Irish Governments have failed to provide
research to support their ideas and MAG is concerned that the insurance
industry in the UK may impose compulsion, when educating all road users
in hazard avoidance, would be more effective”.

Regarding the EU Regulation, Paddy said “The motorcycle industry has
been under severe pressure recently with new licensing directives
disuading riders and what our congested roads need are more bikes, not
increased legislation to discourage them”.

The demonstration is also intended to express solidarity with French and
Irish riders.

For more information about the local event contact .......... or MAG
Central Office 01926 844064 paddy.tyson@mag-uk.org

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Paddy Tyson
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MAG (UK) - Motorcycle Action Group
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Old 16-09-2011, 02:26 PM
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at 1pm on Sunday September 25th, to ride
along the motorway in convoy. The ride, organised by the Motorcycle
Action Group (MAG) is intended to draw attention to a raft of EU 
proposals aimed at motorcycling. The local ride mirrors over 70 others
that will take place around the UK at exactly the same time.

Using the inside lanes and riding at around 45mph, the bikers will ride
for about 20 miles before dispersing.
draw attention to?? it'll look like most other sundays during the 'rally season'... loads of 'feeling delicate' bikers riding slowly home at sunday lunchtime after a rally.....
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Old 16-09-2011, 02:36 PM
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• Make all bikers wear high visibility/reflective clothing

On the face of it that doesn't seem so bad, you might even say ok I can live with that, I'll get a reflective armband so that I am within the law..

A few months later and it will be a certain type of reflective clothing, and then it will be a tug by the police, an instant fine, and three points on your license, and leave your bike at the side of the road until you have the right clothing..Then the insurance companies will get involved, insurance invalid if you were not wearing the proper clothing, extra costs if you get a tug.

As someone pointed out, if we have to wear brightly coloured clothing why not car drivers and pedestrians, how long before our bikes have to be painted dayglow yellow..It's the thin edge of the wedge and if we are lucky this show of strength might just put it off for a few years more.

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Old 16-09-2011, 03:03 PM
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Maybe a bit late in the day but as people say,who will know what the hell it is all about.
So would it be better to have a car/van at front and back with posters stuck on as at least some attempt to let people know what it is all about.
The fact there is an "escort" at least shows it not just a group of bikers out for a slow ride
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Old 16-09-2011, 03:49 PM
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So would it be better to have a caravan at front and back with posters stuck on as at least some attempt to let people know what it is all about.
The fact there is an "escort" at least shows it not just a group of bikers out for a slow ride
fxd that for you...it certainly would make for a slow ride & would indeed piss people right off! including us.....
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Old 16-09-2011, 06:16 PM
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well guys and gals, whilst i will be there on the day cos of the obvious reasons, me touring in france for one, i can recall when i took part in a lorry drivers strike. all we succeeded in doing was alienating the public cos we blocked the roads for just a short while. the object is to try and get people on our side if im not mistaken, well it should be , cos like someone said, its the thin end of the wedge, cars next, police state, etc etc.
so, i will be there and i will be as voiciferous as the next man/woman, but as soon as i see anyone badmouthing forecourt staff and /or members of public etc when asked to move, like a few of mates say they are going to do, then thats me , off! banners on caravans etc, good idea, like it. wot about bridge banners too? cheers, mick.
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Old 16-09-2011, 07:35 PM
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t. wot about bridge banners too? cheers, mick.
Good idea,anything will help
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Old 17-09-2011, 01:43 PM
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Every Police Traffic division in the country is aware of the day and not
unreasonably are making a few requests, such as remember that road rules
apply on the day and, if a friend or club member breaks down (that'll be
me) do not all stop on the hard shoulder to help. Please exit at the
next available point and wait. One friend (no doubt with tool kit) can
help, if the bikes don't block the hard shoulder, but collections of
bikes on the hard shoulder will not be tolerated.

so what are the cops going to do arrest everybody." will not be tolerated". ffs
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Old 17-09-2011, 07:46 PM
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Theres a lot of interest in this protest now , and i have to admit that it has gathered momentum more than i anticipated . I don't think that clogging the roads will be nessarsary now just the sheer volume of riders out there will be enough to make everyone think about what we're doing . 65000 hits on the start point site . if these numbers are any kind of reflection of the day in hand then this has the potetial of being very successful without being to much hindrence to the general public therefore keeping there support on side . I know that anyone seeing my earlier post will know that i have changed my veiw point , but i'm a little clearer minded now and anarchy won''nt get the desired responce we need on this occasion . But don't worry folks , microwaving the cat and burning down cardiff are still high on my bucket list , I'll be there on the m11 and might take a trip into london to play with the traffic and to all those out there , be seeing you.
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Old 18-09-2011, 07:46 AM
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Me and my mates will be there protesting with the others. I will be at Ripley on the southbound A3 and will proceed southerly at a leisurely pace.
I could be persuaded to speed up through Guildford since I appear to be allergic to the place and the best way to see Guildford is at speed.

My Beemer backfires wonderfully, (ever since I binned 7,5kgs of catalytic converter and replaced it with a Sebring 'Y' piece and a Remus tail can - something I won't be able to do if this legislation comes in) and I'm looking forward to squeezing a few backfires out of it in the Hindhead Tunnel.

I have a cunning plan...

While the police are busy watching all us bikers going slow, the 'A' team, made up of Rob and those who believe more direct action is needed, should quietly slip across the channel and set fire to the EU parliament in Brussels. (It's no good setting fire to the House of Commons since they will not be voting on this)

While the 'A' team are setting fire to Brussels, the 'B' team will be setting fire to Strasbourg, just to make sure.
Winner



Disclaimer: The above suggestion is made in a spirit of jocularity, Arson, especially that of MEP's is neither big nor clever and I neither condone or endorse such behaviour. Bikers, especially drunk ones, should not play with matches. Thank you.
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Old 18-09-2011, 08:59 AM
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I have a cunning plan...

While the police are busy watching all us bikers going slow, the 'A' team, made up of Rob and those who believe more direct action is needed, should quietly slip across the channel and set fire to the EU parliament in Brussels. (It's no good setting fire to the House of Commons since they will not be voting on this)

While the 'A' team are setting fire to Brussels, the 'B' team will be setting fire to Strasbourg, just to make sure.
Winner
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Old 18-09-2011, 10:04 AM
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After that post,I would find it hilarious it some daft EMP accidentally left the kettle on and burnt the place down on the 25th.

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Old 18-09-2011, 11:28 AM
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May be we could get 4000 bikers to go to Brussels.

Got two runs to choose from here.

Taunton MAG are meeting at V&J in Bridgwater ?

Then going to Taunton Deane services to meet Dorset MAG then going up or down the M5.

Thinking of going to the East Devon MAG run that starts at Exeter services.

I like simple and hoping to meet some of the guys on here.
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Old 18-09-2011, 01:44 PM
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I am surprised as we were told MAG nationally is going to town with the press effort
just got back from a rally & was shocked by the amount of people who knew nothing about it full clubs even,
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Old 18-09-2011, 03:25 PM
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just got back from a rally & was shocked by the amount of people who knew nothing about it full clubs even,
That could simply be down to 'haven't times changed?'

There was a time when Karel van Miert, Martin Bangemann and even Peter Bottomley threatened our existence almost on a weekly basis.
MAG became powerful because there was a need for a central, focussed body that could speak on our behalf and people joined such groups because there was a perceived threat.

Years go by.

There was no threat and complacency crept in.
Membership dwindled.
People lost interest because there was no threat, either direct or indirect.

Now, the Commission is looking to use the back door to bring in laws that will affect US and where is MAG? Where is FEM? Where are all the other lobbying and pressure groups that people think will act on their behalf??
Do people honestly think that hordes of people have been sitting there waiting for this moment? Because they haven't.
MAG, FEM and the like are only as strong as their membership and since there has been no threat they now have less members.

Do you honestly think that the unelected and self-serving European Commission hasn't made a survey to examine the extent and power of the opposition? (That's us btw.)
Have you considered that they now think that the likes of MAG and FEM to be at their weakest and therefore not worth their consideration as a viable opposition?

I'm not surprised the people Quasar met are unaware. We have become complacent and the Commission is relying on this complacency and ignorance to sneak laws through the back door.
The unaware will wake up eventually. Sad, because it might be too late.
The writing has been on the wall for long enough, although it does seem that some have stopped looking at the wall.

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In the two long, boring replies I got from our EuroMP's after using Writetothem.com, the name Wim van de Camp was mentioned, with the implication that, because he rides a bike, he would be sympathetic to the biker lobby.
So I Googled him.
He's 58, never had a proper job since qualifying as a lawyer and then becoming an MP in 1986 then a Euro MP in 2009. I get the impression that he is an influential mover and shaker in Big Brother central.

"He is more of a racer than a rider, owning several superbikes which he is using regularly, either on public roads or on closed circuits. For practical reasons, van de Camp also rides a Harley "which is more convenient when driving within Amsterdam. And it also has a lovely sound".

He recently fell off one of his several superbikes and was reported to say that it reinforced his support for ABS on bikes.
On the other hand, he actively supports FEMA's opposition to Periodical Technical Inspections (PTI) [MoT's] being harmonised in Europe.

He is also openly gay and a Catholic. I'm not prejudiced against anyone, but someone who can reconcile those two things is the sort of person that could happily race his several superbikes on track days, while we all dress up like lollipop men. For our own good.


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In the two long, boring replies I got from our EuroMP's after using Writetothem.com, the name Wim van de Camp was mentioned, with the implication that, because he rides a bike, he would be sympathetic to the biker lobby.
So I Googled him.
He's 58, never had a proper job since qualifying as a lawyer and then becoming an MP in 1986 then a Euro MP in 2009. I get the impression that he is an influential mover and shaker in Big Brother central.

"He is more of a racer than a rider, owning several superbikes which he is using regularly, either on public roads or on closed circuits. For practical reasons, van de Camp also rides a Harley "which is more convenient when driving within Amsterdam. And it also has a lovely sound".

He recently fell off one of his several superbikes and was reported to say that it reinforced his support for ABS on bikes.
On the other hand, he actively supports FEMA's opposition to Periodical Technical Inspections (PTI) [MoT's] being harmonised in Europe.

He is also open gay and a Catholic. I'm not prejudiced against anyone, but someone who can reconcile those two things is the sort of person that could happily race his several superbikes on track days, while we all dress up like lollipop men. For our own good.

politition, lawyer, poof, foreigner..I really don't want to know anything else about him.

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Know your enemy, John.

Rap's probably on your list of don't likes too, but
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With just 4 days to go before we all ride on Sunday 25th, we are already
making waves.

Another MP, Mark Lancaster has now confirmed he'll be riding from
Northampton services on the M1 and 6 MEPs have said they will be at
their local runs to show support. This number is likely to grow as more
call the office each day.

The IMCO vote has now been postponed again!
This time to the 22nd November, which means that the EU Parliament won't
now be voting on this Type Approval Regulation until next year.

The great news is that all this delay is directly related to the fuss we
are causing. This Regulation will not be rubber stamped.

There appears to be some friction between National Governments and the
EU that didn't exist before you all started writing letters.

The standard responses we were receiving from MEPs earlier in the year
have now become more focussed.

The Labour block of MEPs now appear to be supporting either a switch on
ABS, or no compulsion.

The UK Government is now as concerned as we are, that there hasn't been
the research to back much of the content in the Proposal and that the
Impact Assessment carried out was not robust.

They are concerned about the impact on consumers (us!), the increased
costs and complexity of bikes and the right of the UK to maintain its
Single Vehicle Approval (SVA) system, so that one off customs can still
be built.

On a less positive note, we've run out of T-shirts!

Orders came in so thick and fast that we had to reorder from the
suppliers and they were all sold before we'd even received them! Sorry
if you missed out, but some of the start points may still have a few for
sale on the day.

The other 'not so helpful' development, is that the Road Safety
Authority in Ireland has confirmed that it intends to make hi-viz
clothing compulsory for all motorcyclists from 2014.

The Motorcycle Action Group (UK) requested confirmation yesterday after
the RSA told a reporter on the Northern Irish newspaper 'NewsLetter';

"...at present the RSA's preference is for the voluntary wearing of high
visibility jackets rather than compulsion."

This contradicted the RSA's position in the National Motorcycle Safety
Action Plan 2010-14 which proposes the introduction of regulations for
the mandatory wearing of high visibility upper body clothing with full
sleeves for ride and pillion passenger.

Brian Farrell, Communications Manager at the Road Safety Authority,
emailed MAG(UK) in response to a request for clarification, saying;

"I can confirm that the RSA has not dropped the position outlined in the
Motorcycle Action plan. We do intend to seek to introduce the measure in
2014, subject to consultation with motorcyclists and industry on the
most appropriate type of hi-viz material."

MAG(UK)'s General Secretary Nich Brown said;

"too many riders have been unwilling to believe they will be forced to
wear day-glo clothing in the near future. Until now the RSA has
soft-pedalled its determination to legislate, but now there is no doubt
that the authorities are serious"

I'm not going to inundate you with mailings before Sunday, so I'd like
to say I hope you have a great day, please remember that the rules of
the road have not been suspended, respect other road users and don't
stop on the hard shoulder if your mate breaks down. Carry on to the next
exit.

The Highways Agency will be putting on extra patrols to help out near
each start point and they have confirmed that the motorway signs from
6am all across the country, will read 'Think bike!'

Not only are the Police being 'understanding' but I now know quite a few
of them will be joining us if they have the day off.

Now, let's hope it doesn't rain!
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Good news, but we must keep the pressure on.
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Old 22-09-2011, 01:10 PM
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just come back from local bike shop (needed to get sidelight bulb for 125 so no plod issues on Sunday) appently nearly everybody going in their this week has been asking where when etc etc. This could actually be pretty large - seems people are getting off their collective arses
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