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Old 26-04-2011, 05:54 PM
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Default I know Nik usually posts the MAG thingys....

but seeing as he's busy sticking pins into a voodoo doll of the shipping agent I'll do this one. It's an email from Paddy Tyson sent out to the MAG mailing list.

Hello

In association with the EU Regulation into Type Approval and all the new
electrikery being proposed by those who believe they know better than
someone who actually rides, a survey has been launched which runs until
15th May.

https://www.soscisurvey.de/2BeSafe_en/

There are about 40 questions, but I really urge you to persevere.

Interestingly many of the questions are phrased in such a way as to
establish most riders as habitual law breakers and I urge you to read
them carefully.


Others have an introductory scenario to set the scene where electronics
would obviously help- like the one where opening and closing the
throttle is done automatically to keep you a certain distance from the
car infront.

Everything is included here: compulsory ABS and traction control, curve
speed control, a system to stop lane splitting, heads up displays, and
it's interspersed with questions which blur motorcycling with irrational
road use.
How often do you undertake, or ride on a pavement? what about the wrong
way down a one way street and do you not bother with road laws because
they are complicated?

I urge you to complete this survey as this will make a difference to the
justification used for foisting more controls upon us.
Please spend the time and forward the link to anyone you know who rides.

Thanks and remember we only have until 15th May.

https://www.soscisurvey.de/2BeSafe_en/
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Interestingly many of the questions are phrased in such a way as to
establish most riders as habitual law breakers and I urge you to read
them carefully.

Just completed the survey. Sneaky cunts make you worry about whether they are setting you up with some of those questions.
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Old 26-04-2011, 08:23 PM
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I'm Peter Perfect on there
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Just completed the survey. Sneaky cunts make you worry about whether they are setting you up with some of those questions.
just what i thought,
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Old 26-04-2011, 10:44 PM
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What a load of rubbish..

It looks to me like a manufacturer of safety fittings for motorbikes is trying to get funding to sell stuff that we do not need.

for instance, keeping a safe distance from the car in front could stop you from overtaking in an emergency and would do nothing to prevent the idiot from running into the back of your bike.

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Bungee jumping.......on a bike ! Are they mad !
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I've completed the survey but it's a worry. Those questions smack of entrapement.
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Old 27-04-2011, 07:09 AM
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How the Hell would i fit all that on my old Sportster????????
Ah make it a car
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Old 27-04-2011, 07:19 AM
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It looks to me like a manufacturer of safety fittings for motorbikes is trying to get funding to sell stuff that we do not need.
Not entirely. The unelected EU commissioners are pushing for mandatory ABS on bikes, so that part might actually happen**. (along with a mandatory 100bhp cap, emissions testing as part of the MoT test and anti-tamper exhaust systems to stop people changing them)

As for other controls? I haven't forgotten Peter Bottomley. There is a tendency amongst politicians to react to EU proposals by over-doing them.
"We propose a 50kph speed limit in outer urban areas, reducing it from 60kph." says the EU.
"Well WE will make it 40kph" says the UK, trying to outdo everyone else.
Thatcher was good at that.
It is possible that the EU want to bring in three new rules, but the government see this a a chance to propose two extra new rules of their own and if the EU accept them the government will say "These are EU rules, what can we do?"'

Tony Bliar spent a lot of our money researching External Vehicle Speed Controls which will electronically restrict the speed of a vehicle to the speed zone that it is in.
Incidentally, the same government realised that the SatNav tracking and control technology could also be used to charge the motorist 'by the mile'.
The technology is already in place, they are looking for a chance to use it.

The Japanese have been playing with 'safe distance between vehicles' technology for years. It may now be workable and again, perhaps the government are just looking for a way to make it compulsory.

The nanny state do not like motorists. they like bikers even less and I have to say that some riders give them all the ammunition they could possibly want.
The power rangers who overtook me and a line of cars on double white lines in a 40mph last week being a case in point, all it takes is for one person to complain.
The fact that a power ranger died in a single vehicle accident on the same road on the same day turns them from the nanny state "ooooh, we must make more main 'A' roads 40mph limit because people might get hurt and we must save them from themselves' into anti-bike crusaders who advocate External Vehicle Speed Control and everyone gets caught in the net. Cruiser, classic, chop, boring old fart on a Hesketh (me) and all of the others will all be painted with the same brush because some riders don't believe the rules apply to them.

Riding up the pavement/bus lanes/hard shoulder/wrong way down a one way street?
I live in a small village in a rural society and I have no idea if these are the sort of things that urban bikers do. For all I know it is common for (some) couriers and/or other bikers to do these things in London/Birmingham/Manchester and other urban sprawls. From my time working in London - nothing would surprise me.

**Regarding ABS. My BMW R1150GS has ABS, but I can switch it off. Under the proposed EU legislation, ABS will be permanent. Imagine the joy when the off-roaders who use road-capable BMW's, KTM's and the like, try riding off-road with the ABS cutting in and out like a fiddlers elbow.
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Exceedingly well put sir.
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Riding up the pavement/bus lanes/hard shoulder/wrong way down a one way street?
I live in a small village in a rural society and I have no idea if these are the sort of things that urban bikers do. For all I know it is common for (some) couriers and/or other bikers to do these things in London/Birmingham/Manchester and other urban sprawls. From my time working in London - nothing would surprise me.
I ride in London all the time. These things happen but it's a long way from being common. You can't get near the pavement let alone on it, there are cameras on the bus lanes and you will get nicked for it. As for the wrong way up a one way street that's not the preserve of two wheels,cyclists or PTW, I watched a dropside with a hi-ab back the wrong way for a fair distance just so he wouldn't have to make a tour of the one way. Caused mayhem.
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many years ago when I was very active in MAG, I got people to see things 'my way' by pointing out that these laws, rules and restrictions will eventually apply to everybody.
How to you start a change?
Find someone who is unpopular, apply the rules to them and the majority will agree because no-one likes them.
Some time later, you can tell the silent majority that exactly the same rules will be applied to them and there's nothing they can do about it because the toe is in the door. They will have created a precedent and now they will have to apply the same draconian laws to all road users.

Don't be fooled. Rules like this are the thin end of the wedge.
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Exceedingly well put sir.
I concur.
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