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Old 25-04-2011, 01:39 PM
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The thing with reflectors and similar items,is that It's more likely human error than "Turning a blind eye".

DVLA staff are not technical, but some could be bike enthusiasts.

When asked to inspect a modified bike they may not know you've hardtailed it.

Here are the rules they should apply....
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Old 25-04-2011, 02:00 PM
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oh. looks like mine has definatly got to have msva then.
"section 3 vehicles that have been radicly altered"

er i dont get any points there at all

gsxr 1100 front wheel and brakes.
blackbird forks
one off yokes
gp100 frame plus hardtail ???
gsxr1100 engine
kwak 750 rear wheel
gsxr11 brakes
one off exhaust.
all of the above have also been modified lol
my log book is at work (in one of them safe places) so im not sure what it says on there. think it just says suzuki.

think i will save my pennies and get the bike done for next year or get a decent car
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Old 25-04-2011, 03:07 PM
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ive a trike, built from a solo motorcycle in the 1990's, pre sva, all registered and inspected by the dvla. the dvla gave it a new chassis number but it retained the 1984 'B' plate that the donor bike had. you only got a q if the bike was built from parts that couldnt have their origins or date of making verified.
yes thats correct. but what does your V5 now say?
bet id doesnt say bicycle etc etc.
if modifications were made and dvla notified a new V5 would have been issued.
to be honest the non believers can continue to bury there heads in the sand and pretend this isnt happening but the likes of rob and myself are being prepared for it.
ive modded bikes and not bothered to declare the changes and to be honest in the 80's and 90's i genuinly never knew i had to but these days i do know and i am asking myself "is it work the risk?"
i reckon the guys more prone to getting caught out are the guys running harley chops on old brit V5's etc, thats just taking the piss. someone with a mild chop/bobber using the original V5 mat slip under the radar for awhile yet.
ye pays yer money and takes yer chances.
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Old 25-04-2011, 03:10 PM
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oh. looks like mine has definatly got to have msva then.
"section 3 vehicles that have been radicly altered"

er i dont get any points there at all

gsxr 1100 front wheel and brakes.
blackbird forks
one off yokes
gp100 frame plus hardtail ???
gsxr1100 engine
kwak 750 rear wheel
gsxr11 brakes
one off exhaust.
all of the above have also been modified lol
my log book is at work (in one of them safe places) so im not sure what it says on there. think it just says suzuki.

think i will save my pennies and get the bike done for next year or get a decent car
it doesnt matter what forks you are using, as soon as the main frame cradle is altered/replaced then thats it, game over.
seriously how long did you expect to get away running it as a suzuki 100?
now that is just taking the piss.
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Old 25-04-2011, 03:25 PM
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it doesnt matter what forks you are using, as soon as the main frame cradle is altered/replaced then thats it, game over.
seriously how long did you expect to get away running it as a suzuki 100?
now that is just taking the piss.
wasnt a case of takin the piss. it was what i could afford ect and the fact it was available at the time.
my z1000 chop was originaly a fork lift truck. i dint know that until i got pulled. again i had no problems with it and its still about now.
i didnt have a clue about legal stuff. the company bulding the bike gave me some advise and told me whats what ect. so i trusted them. i wrote to dvla who sent me new log book. again no problems.
and im only dealing with it now because i accidently came across it and not because the law or any one else have mentioned it to me.

so i seriously wasnt trying to get away with anything for any amount of time. had i of known any different at the time, things would be different now.

its been around 8 years i think. the amount of times ive been stopped and stiched up by the law in that time i think they would of asked the question by now. including vosa who's only comment was if the exhaust is to loud we will take the bike of you

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Old 25-04-2011, 03:48 PM
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the MSVA manual is free to download, its simple and common sense

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repositor...%202010%20.pdf

if you cant get a bike or trike through an MSVA then you shouldnt be building or modding them anyway to be perfectly honest

yes there are some bikes around on original number plates, I had a chop that retained its original plate, but the VIN was issued new to the bike.

as a general rule if your looking at a chop or trike etc, thats got a non Q plate on it, you want to see that the VIN starts SABTV unless the builder came up with their own VIN, thats the preffix of the DVLA issued VIN for custom builds etc
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Old 25-04-2011, 04:40 PM
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well that was just what i was looking for thanks
ive got to change loads. ive failed on the switch gear, think ive failed on the headlight spacing, mine are about 100mm apart instead of 200mm, failed on the unautherised use.

not sure what this means "closed-circuit tell tale is fitted" is it idiot lights.
not sure if i have to fit indicators, couldnt find that section.

i have been told by my patner to just get another bike lol

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Old 25-04-2011, 05:12 PM
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wasnt a case of takin the piss. it was what i could afford ect and the fact it was available at the time.
my z1000 chop was originaly a fork lift truck.
i didnt have a clue about legal stuff.


gsxr 1100 front wheel and brakes.
blackbird forks
one off yokes
gp100 frame plus hardtail ???
gsxr1100 engine
kwak 750 rear wheel
gsxr11 brakes
one off exhaust.
all of the above have also been modified lol

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seriously how long did you expect to get away running it as a suzuki 100?
now that is just taking the piss.
he has a point, you know.......
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Old 25-04-2011, 05:13 PM
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if you cant get a bike or trike through an MSVA then you shouldnt be building or modding them anyway to be perfectly honest
to be fair, contail's looks pretty tidy in the pics...
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Old 25-04-2011, 05:18 PM
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to be honest, the non believers can continue to bury their heads in the sand and pretend this isnt happening, but the likes of rob and myself are being prepared for it.
i've been sorted for over a year now. i started seeking solutions when the shit started hitting the fan, years ago. and the shit-storm ain't started properly yet....
it took me 18 months to get a solution in place, but i'm sorted, not mvsa or mot ever again, i can build pretty much what i like, and be fully legal.
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Old 25-04-2011, 05:30 PM
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ok i know you only know the bike through its pics. when the bike is mot'd i get good solid comments about its safety ect. im not out for a quick mot and heres a pint or anything like that. i know my bike inside out but im not a profesional or expert. if its on the bike it works 100%.

yep i can see he has a point. just didnt want any one thinking it was my intentions to take the piss and tarnish our good side lol

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Old 25-04-2011, 06:15 PM
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I wasnt in anyway disputing his build, its a tidy bike and is most likely very safe and well built

I was just trying to get across the point that the MSVA manual lays it all out for you, its simple once you just extract the bits you need, read it, make the bike pass, just like your driving test, it only has to be right for a few hours of its life.

yes you need indicators, yes switchgear has to be on the bars ect etc

but dont forget that this is just for the MSVA test, no MOT for 3 years afterwards, and we all know that bits tend to move or fall off every now and then LOL

once on the Q plate you will then have to put indicators etc back on for MOT each year, but thats no major hardship.
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Old 25-04-2011, 06:34 PM
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I wasnt in anyway disputing his build, its a tidy bike and is most likely very safe and well built

I was just trying to get across the point that the MSVA manual lays it all out for you, its simple once you just extract the bits you need, read it, make the bike pass, just like your driving test, it only has to be right for a few hours of its life.

yes you need indicators, yes switchgear has to be on the bars ect etc

but dont forget that this is just for the MSVA test, no MOT for 3 years afterwards, and we all know that bits tend to move or fall off every now and then LOL

once on the Q plate you will then have to put indicators etc back on for MOT each year, but thats no major hardship.
very sory my fault. i have a habit of trying to over justify myself. im not very good with words.

just one question. on the msva it says about headlights being 200mm apart. mine arnt that far and neither were my stock slingshot or gpz (not sure if that was original though). have no idea where im gonna stick indicators and switch gear for them. the bars will be a complete mess
At front of vehicle
Min height 500mm
Max height 1200mm
Max 200mm between any dipped and/or main beam lamps

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Old 25-04-2011, 06:54 PM
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well that was just what i was looking for thanks
ive got to change loads. ive failed on the switch gear, think ive failed on the headlight spacing, mine are about 100mm apart instead of 200mm, failed on the unautherised use.

not sure what this means "closed-circuit tell tale is fitted" is it idiot lights.
not sure if i have to fit indicators, couldnt find that section.

i have been told by my patner to just get another bike lol
Moving the switches is easy.

Head lamp spacing is a maximum. So you're OK.

Closed circuit tell tale means a warning lamp that comes on when the switch is on.

You will need indicators for MSVA 'cos the bike is considered to be new.

Can't help with you're partner.
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Old 25-04-2011, 07:04 PM
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lol glad she out side.
oh thats cool then. im just looking on ebay now for switch gear and flasher unit. was gonna get one of them tail tidy units

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Universal-LED-...item2eb3ca06ab

but the indicator is to close. gonna have to be a bloody normal indicator
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