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Old 29-07-2007, 08:01 PM
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My missus has recently mentioned that she nearly bought a chinese 125 of someone close to the family and only didn't cos she didn't want to line their pockets. Obviously she wants to ride again.

1. Is it cheaper to do the DAS and get her a 550 Virago

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2. Does she have to ride a 125 for a period of time after passing her test?

Bearng in mind she's 34. Sensible answers prease (sorry that't the chinese coming out)
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Old 29-07-2007, 08:27 PM
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My missus has recently mentioned that she nearly bought a chinese 125 of someone close to the family and only didn't cos she didn't want to line their pockets. Obviously she wants to ride again.

1. Is it cheaper to do the DAS and get her a 550 Virago

or

2. Does she have to ride a 125 for a period of time after passing her test?

Bearng in mind she's 34. Sensible answers prease (sorry that't the chinese coming out)
Don't know too much about costs, but it really isnt much more to do DAS, or wasn't when I did mine.

If she passes the DAS the then she can get straight on her 550, is she passes a normal test then she has to ride a smaller bike (bhp limited but approx a 400cc) for 2 years after passing.

Only major difference I can tell in the test is that DAS you have to be able to pass on a 500cc bike or bigger, ordinary test you can do on a 125.

I managed to do DAS, so unless she's teeny, it should be possible to do DAS.
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Old 29-07-2007, 08:57 PM
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If you check I think you'll find the Virago 535 is under the limit for the 2 year restriction, if she passed on a 125, Someone I know done her test on a 125 and rides a 535 now. No questions no problems.
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A 535 Virago is just over 33bhp unless you get a restrictor kit fitted, however, it doesn't have enough bhp to be able to take a DAS test on it.

Bat motorcycles list all the 33-without-restriction bikes that you can get as standard if she doesn't want to do DAS. http://www.bat-motorcycles.co.uk/

What she decides to do is really up to your Mrs. If she is confident enough and tall enough she may as well do DAS. If she's nervous or struggling with the height/weight of the DAS bikes (usually ER5, GS500 or CB500) then do the restricted licence. It's the same test but on a 125.
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I did mine on a CB500, and although i was quite happy with the normal CB500 my instructor was a bit of a chauvenist and insisted that as I was a girl I should use the lowered one in most of my lessons and my test. Because it was lowered the suspension was horrible, but it did make it lower and easier for me to touch the floor etc.

Maybe worth consideration if your mrs is short to see if any of your local places have a lowered bike? Doesnt solve the weight problem tho which can be a problem with the turning in the road as they now insist not only do you have to do a U turn, you also have to get off the bike and push it round a U turn! (just to prove you can manoevre the weight of the bike).
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if she does DAS, she cant ride anything over 125 to practice on and bum on seat is best for experience and confidence building. Depends how quickly she takes to it and everyone is different.

I had 125 Suzuki Intruder, did 1700 miles on it all in all, passed me test then sold it for £300 more than I paid for it. But I rode it everyday. My lessons and tests (I took 2) cost me in the region of £1000 all in all. But that was my choice and the weather was really crap.

So if she is gonna do it, do it now cos the weather forecast for next month is good and by October she could be riding with you. Its great riding together
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DAS is cheaper than trying to fix a chinese 125
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If you do the direct access you can ride what you like unless your under 21 i think
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I went the slow route and I feel I'm a better rider for it, but with the new rules coming out next year I'd go from the quicker option.
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if she does DAS, she cant ride anything over 125 to practice on and bum on seat is best for experience and confidence building.
One thing that I should point out, is that you don't have to go through an instructor's course to do DAS. Mrs R did the first time... totally crap. 2nd time, she went back to them... even less help - didn't cover u-turns, etc.

3rd time, I made sure she knew how to do all the necessary and made sure her ZL600 was ready (that she'd bought and taken on private roads - including that one to the Ace Cafe in London). No instrcutor involved.
Then she passed.
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Whichever way she deicides to go - do the theory test now, only 35 questions at mo, goes up to 50 something in September, with a few more 'eco' - questions thrown in.
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Right, i've just picked up a contract ao i think i'll surrise her and get her a DAS course and then a bike. she trusts my riding etc but I just don't have the patiance t teach and i'm not going to put her off by losing my rag. Cheers for the tips folks.
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I'd say it was a good idea to ride a little un for a while.

My Mrs had a 125 for about 9 months and she walked her DAS in 2 days with hardly any faults
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hmm dunno. a 535 is hardly a biggy is it? if we were talking a cbr 6 then yeah stick to two strokes for a while.
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Horses for courses really, I'd say riding a 125 for a bit is a benefit but lots of people go straight onto the big un and are fine - and she's got you to watch over her.

My Mrs wanted to get on the road as soon as poss so she could get a job hence the 125
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My wife has just had new hours forced on her at work, and no buses to use. She's just discovered that buses don't run very well in the countryside...

See how inconvenient it becomes before she submits to learning to ride...
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Horses for courses really, I'd say riding a 125 for a bit is a benefit but lots of people go straight onto the big un and are fine - and she's got you to watch over her.

My Mrs wanted to get on the road as soon as poss so she could get a job hence the 125

I reckon my missus would be fine and she would only really go out with me to begin with. I was lucky I learned to ride when Iwas young and then learned to ride properly with an advanced motorist rider and a dispatch rider: best of both worlds
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I reckon my missus would be fine and she would only really go out with me to begin with. I was lucky I learned to ride when Iwas young and then learned to ride properly with an advanced motorist rider and a dispatch rider: best of both worlds
If I could do DAS then I am sure 90% of the population can, and having a bigger bike is only a problem if someone a. can't handle the weight, or b. isn't sensible enough to behave on it til they're used to it. I'm sure your Mrs is mature enough to be careful, and you can judge best if she can handle the weight of the bike.
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Whatever she does, she has to do CBT first.

If she does DAS, she will have to train on, and pass her test on, a bike of 47bhp or bigger (usually a 500 twin of some kind - GS or ER-5's are favourite with training schemes) - and can only practice and ride the 500 in the presence of a DAS instructor.

After this she can ride anything - so could go with the 535 and then go up to a bigger bike as soon as she feels ready.

If she takes her test on a 125, she is restricted to a bike under 33bhp for 2 years, whether she feels ready to go up to a bigger bike or not, unless she does the bigger DAS test.

As well as the Theory Test going up to 50 questions in September, the practical test is also getting tougher in 2008 as well - do DAS and do it NOW!
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