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Old 05-02-2018, 11:49 PM
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Default Tesla car did a smidsy and a GM driverless car.

I'm not feeling confident about our safety with these autonomous aka driverless cars on the roads if it ever happens.

But here's a example of exactly how these things either don't work or go wrong. A Tesla motorcar ran into the back of a ooje US bright red and chrome fire tender.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42801772
A Tesla smidsy. But what chance have bikers got if it can't see an ooje red fire truck?

There's another story around about a biker who got hit by a driverless GM car who is reportedly suing GM fir damages. How can the police do a car for causing an accident?

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"Car-makers suggest self-drive technologies should make the roads safer, but at present California requires a driver to remain behind the wheel so they can retake control at short notice."

That says it all, really, by the time the "driver" realises that an accident is about to happen and reacts to take back control, it will be too late! No, driverless cars are not a good idea, in any shape or form.
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Old 06-02-2018, 08:48 AM
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The more intelligent the car, the dumber the driver, I see it everyday. Clowns behind steering wheels relying on technology to do the simple things that they can't even cope with, like staying in lane, approaching a stationary object without seeing it!
If a driver can't park the car, they shouldn't be on the road... simple!
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Old 06-02-2018, 10:01 AM
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"Car-makers suggest self-drive technologies should make the roads safer, but at present California requires a driver to remain behind the wheel so they can retake control at short notice."

That says it all, really, by the time the "driver" realises that an accident is about to happen and reacts to take back control, it will be too late! No, driverless cars are not a good idea, in any shape or form.
More like by the time the dozy bugger either wakes up, or like most of the US population gets off their phone or I pad.
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Old 06-02-2018, 10:49 AM
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The thing is driverless cars work great IF all vehicles on the road are driverless and connected. As soon as you add in Human free thought then things become less predictable and accidents will happen.

I think a human sat in a driverless car ready to take control is the worst of both worlds - they will be too slow to react to actually stop most emergencies and being a human less easy to 2nd guess for other autonomous vehicles
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Old 06-02-2018, 11:10 AM
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Reading online the discussions about the interaction between driverless cars and bikes it appears that the organisations driving this agenda say that because X amount of bikers die every year in RTAs then driverless vehicles will be much safer for bikers.
3 + 5 = 2 is what they are saying.

I totally agree that having a person in the car who can take over is nonsense. That person would have to be a fully trained driver which negates the whole purpose of having driverless cars.
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Old 06-02-2018, 11:29 AM
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Reading online the discussions about the interaction between driverless cars and bikes it appears that the organisations driving this agenda say that because X amount of bikers die every year in RTAs then driverless vehicles will be much safer for bikers.
3 + 5 = 2 is what they are saying.
That argument can't possibly hold water, there are 2 or 3 driverless cars on the road at the moment causing 1 biker accident, multiply that 2 or 3 by the
amount of cars on the road, then, statistically, after a couple of days there won't be a biker left alive!
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Old 06-02-2018, 11:37 AM
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In respect of developments on our planet and in the solar system ref to solar radiation and EMF pulses with a very weak magnetosphere and compromised ozone layer all of us and electric vehicles are subject to damage and failure due to these large potential problems. We have just been very lucky so far.
I cannot understand why the government and scientists are pushing the electric vehicle agenda when at the same time we are being warned about the risks to the grid and individual electric pieces of equipment from phenomena out there.

Would earth's magnetic pole reversal make these things inoperable? Seeing as scientists are saying it's back on the cards.

For the same reasons I can't understand that now EMF weapons are the ultimate war weapon, why the hell is the MOD building two multi billion pound electric aircraft carriers. A kinda guaranteed fail.

Those are rhetorical questions but relevant to the whole electric autonomous vehicle situation.
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More like by the time the dozy bugger either wakes up, or like most of the US population gets off their phone or I pad.
Like they do here as well. I was sat in heavy traffic in town yesterday and I was watching the driver of the car behind in the rear view mirror. It was very obvious the driver was using a phone or a tablet by their eye movement and she was looking down right until I moved off. It happens a lot.
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At least this sort of thing shouldn't happen with autonomous cars.
https://youtu.be/dvEppD1wciI
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Reading about the Chevy Bolt vs Bike crash it looks like the car tried to change lane, got half way over found gap was closing and aborted the manoeuvre, in the meantime a bike had moved into the gap it was leaving and thus despite a person in the car trying to grab the wheel to stop it, the car sideswiped the bike into a barrier
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