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Old 16-09-2012, 06:04 PM
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bought a v8 based trike from wales 3 yrs ago . i changed axle rear framework fuel tank etc to give it a better look and improved handling so spent a fair amount of time and money..problem is its registered as a historic vehicle and what with changes coming in re scrapping vehicles not properly registered i think its time to re register the beast. never having registered a vehicle before and not wanting to make any mistakes leading to further problems i wondered if anyone out there can offer advice on best way to tackle this...will i be able to ride to test centre as is motd or may that drop mot tester in the proverbial? would really appreciate any advice
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Old 16-09-2012, 06:29 PM
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You need to download form MSVA1 from the Direct.gov website. That is the application form.

You can ride it to the test centre as long as it's insured, don't even need the MOT.


Has it got the chassis number of the historic vehicle on it?
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Old 25-09-2012, 09:47 AM
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cheers for your advice..not too sure about the frame no. i would imagine the number was from the historic vehicle to enable it to remain historic..why you ask? steve
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when you say historic vehicle, what exactly is written on the V5c under, make model wheelplan etc

MSVA isnt difficult, so dont worry about it

the manual is all online free of charge

just print off the relevant pages and work your way through it

only thing that you probably cant be sure of is sound levels as not easy to test, but just make it quiet as possible, just for that one day of its life
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Old 25-09-2012, 07:19 PM
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cheers for your advice..not too sure about the frame no. i would imagine the number was from the historic vehicle to enable it to remain historic..why you ask? steve
I imagine the identity of the historic vehicle has been "cloned" and given to the trike, that's illegal. If the VIN or chassis number of the old vehicle has been stamped into the trike it will need to be got rid of and a new one created. You wont be able to register it as a new vehicle with the old number because DVLAs records will still show that number as registered already.

You can make up your own number as long as it has not been used already or DVLA will give you one (insert your own carry on joke here).
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wheelplan says 3 - wheel body type says tricycle taxation class says historic vehicle and make says bsa...will i have problems when i turn up for test ? and excuse me if im a little slow on the uptake with trying to get my head around all this but obviously its already registered as a trike ..will i have problems trying to re register it.if so how do i get around this? sound like a proper pleb dont i?
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does it look like this??

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?hl=en...93&tx=99&ty=92

as I suspect thats what the V5 would have been for LOL
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:52 AM
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wheelplan says 3 - wheel body type says tricycle taxation class says historic vehicle and make says bsa...will i have problems when i turn up for test ? and excuse me if im a little slow on the uptake with trying to get my head around all this but obviously its already registered as a trike ..will i have problems trying to re register it.if so how do i get around this? sound like a proper pleb dont i?


There are a lot of people jumping to conclusions on this thread without thinking that the system for re registration was vastly different in each area before MSVA came in 2003. Many people had trikes inspected officially and didn't bother changing the make or other details. DVLA examiners could be very lax before VOSA took over the examinations

As well as wheelplan, taxation class and make, there are 2 other points on the V5c that need examining.

What is the engine size listed?
At the bottom of the Vehicle details page, there should be a remark such as 'modified vehicle' or 'this vehicle is built from parts, some of which may be new' There are many different ways of wording this but they all mean the same thing.


If these 5 points are correct, then all is legal.

Check the log book again and if there are any modification remarks on it,Ignore any advice people have given you on MSVA because the trike is legally registered . If there are no remarks, go the MSVA route

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You need to download form MSVA1 from the Direct.gov website. That is the application form.

You can ride it to the test centre as long as it's insured, don't even need the MOT.


Has it got the chassis number of the historic vehicle on it?
WHY?

Until one knows what is written in the V5c, you can't determine whether the trike is legal or not. Just jumping in with out knowing the facts is scaremongering
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:34 PM
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WHY?

Until one knows what is written in the V5c, you can't determine whether the trike is legal or not. Just jumping in with out knowing the facts is scaremongering
The question asked was how to register it properly.

So I answered the question. I also asked some relevant questions to which we haven't been given the answers. With those answers I can give more specific advice.

As I used to be an MSVA examiner and the deputy MSVA policy engineer for a period I might be considered qualified to do so. Yet I try to be cautious as some information can go out of date.
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The question asked was how to register it properly.

So I answered the question. I also asked some relevant questions to which we haven't been given the answers. With those answers I can give more specific advice.

As I used to be an MSVA examiner and the deputy MSVA policy engineer for a period I might be considered qualified to do so. Yet I try to be cautious as some information can go out of date.

If someone asked you the right way to jump off a cliff, would you not query their reasons for doing so?

From the OP's post, it is quite obvious that he's heard some scare stories and is reacting to them. There might not even be a problem. Until the evidence is gathered, the only answer that should be given is that one can't advise until facts are known. There are plenty of old trikes running on historic tax and original numbers from before DVLA and VOSA got onto their little power track.

As you 'used to be an MSVA examiner and the deputy MSVA policy engineer for a period I might be considered qualified to do so.'

You should also know that decisions and advice should be logical , relevent and truthfull. Not knee jerk reactions without thought.

It is possible he might have to re register it, but it is also possibe he doesn't. Currently, we are at stalemate until more information is known

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Old 10-10-2012, 09:51 PM
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Let me give you a history lesson. When the EU brought in type approval for bikes trikes and quads, it meant that only vehicles with a certificate of conformity could be registered in the EU. That would have ended grey imports self builds and major modifications. MAG bless them fought against the legislation (I was and am a member).
VOSA went on a “power kick” and decided to set up a parallel scheme to allow these vehicles a way round the legislation. The man picked to develop the scheme was and is a biker and he got together a team of mostly bikers to produce a test manual. We could not just write what we wanted because it had to be passed by the UK parliament and the EU. But we managed to produce a very light touch test. Many people are not happy with the test but it allowed a legal way of getting vehicles on the road. A hell of a lot of politics was involved but I am convinced that nothing more could have been achieved.
Unfortunately this team has been broken up just as the EU has decided to tighten the regulations.
MAG are not happy at the way the EU regs are moving and I am concerned that revisions to the MSVA to accommodate the changes may not be as “user friendly” in future.

I used to get paid to argue this shit but I am quite happy to give advice to my fellow bikers on here for free. Nobody is forced to accept that advice, and they can always turn to the “Man down the pub” if they prefer, because he always knows more than the professionals.
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The question asked was how to register it prope

I also asked some relevant questions to which we haven't been given the answers. With those answers I can give more specific advise
I notice that none of your posts have been edited but I can't find these questions you asked, could you point them out to me, then I will apologise. your posts, exactly what were these questions? All I can find you asked was about the historic vehicle number. And then you proceeded to tell him you thought he had a ringer.


Devon-Tony asked the only sensible and relevent questions. You certainly didn't.
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I was trying to help Budgie if you don't like it, tough shit.

I've got better things to do than argue with you.
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