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Old 20-07-2006, 07:18 AM
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As I have posted elsewhere here, I am struggling to come to terms with this 'kit bike' philosphy.

I Have strongly objected to these in the past, as being 'Uncreative'. The only concession to creativity being choice of paintwork. Otherwise, prices for these machines being wopping big figures of £18 grand plus!

Also, what are these bikes named exactly? Are they registered as a Harley? Bearing in mind that if all these 'kit bike' parts are supplied brand new, from the one catalogue to make the bike up, then it should have a proper registration no. and not a Q plate. If they are then reg'd as a 'Harley', then shouldn't Harley Davidson get stroppy and sue for TM infringement? Like they have done in the past?

If they are re'gd as a Harley, then does that fcuk up the insurance as being a 'modified, bike? Even if it is brand new?

So with all these points in mind I have objected to 'Kit bikes': to sum up:

Low Creativity.
Overpriced
Non-Identity
High Insurance
Not to mention a Quality issue! (build quality is down to the individual, I'm talking manufactured build quality like to ISO9000 standards).

So why then why do I not object to 'kit cars'? Which in real terms are more prone to being lashed up than a 'kit bike'? Is it because kit cars have been around longer and therefore more accepted by the public in general. Ebay is littered with 'unfinished' projects.

I mean kit cars are just as nasty to build, cheaper to build (just, but is it really?) relies on dubious donor vehicles, and if anything more dangerous to drive if not put together right, even if they have got SVA, MOT etc. Whereas Kit Bikes will probably have been assembled with far greater care!

I have crossed sticks with Blue on this on a number of occassions on this and Chopshop built bikes. But like I have said, I'm struggling to come to terms with this 'kit bike' philosophy!

Maybe it's because kit bikes are a relatively new concept in the custom scene, and people are still struggling to come to terms with the idea like what I am going through at the moment. A bit like the old Brit attitude of the '60's when jap bikes first arrived on these shores:- "Huh! Bloody Jap Crap! Won't last!" Oh yes they did! Maybe this will happen to the Custom Scene? As Peeps wanting to have an 'individual' bike but can't be arsed to go through the pain of having the bike sva'd etc, so will end up going to individual bike builders, that seem to be sprouting up offering builds of these Kit bikes, rather than the one-off chopshop custom builders.

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Old 20-07-2006, 07:30 AM
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Take two cars side by side
One's an AC Cobra through and through
The other's a very well put together, home built, V8 Rover Cobra kit car

Which one do you want ?
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Old 20-07-2006, 08:10 AM
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Take two cars side by side
One's an AC Cobra through and through
The other's a very well put together, home built, V8 Rover Cobra kit car

Which one do you want ?
neither.

i'll have a de-tomaso Pantera please



so bit like putting a standard harley next to a well put together kit bike and choosing one??
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Old 20-07-2006, 08:20 AM
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i think kit bikes are designed for people with more disposable income and less mechanical savvy than most of 'us', but fair play to 'em, if thats the only way to get into the custom bike 'scene' they've got, why not??
what pisses me off is after they've had them built, they think its ok to enter them in shows on an equal footing with the rest of 'us'. there should at least be a seperate category for kit/shop built bikes.
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Old 20-07-2006, 08:45 AM
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i think kit bikes are designed for people with more disposable income and less mechanical savvy than most of 'us', but fair play to 'em, if thats the only way to get into the custom bike 'scene' they've got, why not??
what pisses me off is after they've had them built, they think its ok to enter them in shows on an equal footing with the rest of 'us'. there should at least be a seperate category for kit/shop built bikes.
ys that then rob are they beatin you at the shows all the time rob
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Old 20-07-2006, 10:08 AM
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ys that then rob are they beatin you at the shows all the time rob
cheeky bugger!!

in all the (24) years i've been building my own bikes i've never entered any in shows, thats not why i build them, i do it for me, not other people. i only entered 'illogical progression' at the R&S because stefan (the organiser) specifically asked me to. i didnt build it to win prizes, i built it because i could.
although to be fair, i did have half an eye on parking it next to a few billet barges, just to watch their owners move them away.......
i never expected to win anything tho, and certainly didn't expect the fuss it causes whenever i park it somewhere.

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Old 20-07-2006, 03:13 PM
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i think kit bikes are designed for people with more disposable income and less mechanical savvy than most of 'us', .
You ever tried putting a kit bike together? Despite the claims of the manufacturers, I've not come across one yet where everything fitted and where quite a large amount of mechanical and engineering aptitude wasn't required. If there's one thing that concerns me about kit bikes, it's that there's 'get-rich-quick' merchants setting up building kits on the back of the current chopper trend without the skills of experience to do so.

What scares me far more than kit bikes is the new homologised bikes that Custom Chrome Europe is offering. That could have very serious ramifications for the European custom world.

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As Peeps wanting to have an 'individual' bike but can't be arsed to go through the pain of having the bike sva'd etc, so will end up going to individual bike builders, that seem to be sprouting up offering builds of these Kit bikes,
Fuck me, I wish we'd known that kit bikes didn't need to be SVA'd before we went to the trouble of getting the Big Bear done. Strangely, the authorities still seem to reckon that kit bikes should be SVA'd... And most kit bikes are registered under their manufacturers' name and model and not as a Harley, FT.
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Old 20-07-2006, 03:29 PM
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Corss posted from another thread but it is the best kit bike I've ever seen.
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Old 21-07-2006, 06:36 AM
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You ever tried putting a kit bike together? Despite the claims of the manufacturers, I've not come across one yet where everything fitted and where quite a large amount of mechanical and engineering aptitude wasn't required. If there's one thing that concerns me about kit bikes, it's that there's 'get-rich-quick' merchants setting up building kits on the back of the current chopper trend without the skills of experience to do so.
I have read about the poor quality of kit bikes on here and on other forums, which as you say, is of concern. What with incompetant home builders and even less forgiving, chopshop built kit bikes just slung together. we could see a number of accidents, rising in the future, which after investigation, could lead to more Government intervention, making it even harder for the honest custom builder to get their machine on the road.

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What scares me far more than kit bikes is the new homologised bikes that Custom Chrome Europe is offering. That could have very serious ramifications for the European custom world.
People paying top dollar for crap quality bikes. And if the government get their way (SVA etc.) these may be the only route to getting a "custom" bike on the road in the future? If so this may possibly be the death knell for the custom scene as we know it.



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I wish we'd known that kit bikes didn't need to be SVA'd before we went to the trouble of getting the Big Bear done. Strangely, the authorities still seem to reckon that kit bikes should be SVA'd... And most kit bikes are registered under their manufacturers' name and model and not as a Harley, FT.
I am only a humble reader, and do not know all the intricasies of the SVA law so I stand corrected about kit bikes being SVA'd.

So a kit bike would be registered as a "Custom Chrome Europe 1340cc Whatever" rather than a "Harley 1340cc doo-dah"? The problem I see here is when a punter gets tired of his bike he will sell it as a "Harley" most likely and breach advertising laws!
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Old 24-07-2006, 03:47 PM
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You ever tried putting a kit bike together? Despite the claims of the manufacturers, I've not come across one yet where everything fitted and where quite a large amount of mechanical and engineering aptitude wasn't required.
no, i havent, but i dont need to, i'm lucky enough to be able to build my own frames etc. i thought the whole idea of a kit bike was that it fitted together?? hence the name 'kit'.
in my (ever so 'umble) opinion choosing what colour to have it painted and filing a few bolt holes into slots coz bits dont line up correctly isnt that bloody difficult, in fact if those numpties at OCC can do it, then anyone should be able to.


i wonder if there is a market for 'illogical progression' kits??
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Old 20-07-2006, 05:14 PM
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Take two cars side by side
One's an AC Cobra through and through
The other's a very well put together, home built, V8 Rover Cobra kit car

Which one do you want ?

Un fair analagy


real Cobras are reliable
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Old 21-07-2006, 03:59 AM
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Buy the kit bike and put yer own personal stamp on it, brilliant.
Buy it, or have it built by a shop, and it's just another standard bike innit.
Aint got no soul.
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Old 21-07-2006, 04:05 AM
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if you get a frame made, search for months to get the right bits to go on it and build yourself a bike, or buy a kit bike with all the bits there, whats the difference ?
you built it, thats all that counts
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