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pastapete 16-12-2015 06:47 PM

MOT concerns
 
My bobber project is nearing completion and will soon require its first MOT. My concerns are about the side mounted tail light / number plate and the front mudguard (or lack of!).

Should I spend time and money making suitable items only to remove them post test?

Anyone have any experience of getting through a test with this type of bike?

Cheers

Friar Tuck 17-12-2015 05:58 AM

HAAARRRRYYYYYYY? You're wanted, matey!

Al who is that Al 17-12-2015 10:28 AM

My bike passed it's MOT twice with a side mounted number plate and light - they were more concerned at the light not working on the first MOT (loose wire).
I was also told I should have a front mudguard anyway as the bracket that holds it onto the forks also gives some structural help to the forks as well and helps stop them flexing too much when cornering.

harry 17-12-2015 06:35 PM

Hi Pastapete, A front mudguard is required by construction and use regs which means you could get a prohibtion from the police at the roadside.

Whilst the mudguard is not mentioned in the MoT manual as Al says the tester may deam the mudguard bracket to be part of the suspension and or steering and fail it that way. A fork brace might help there.

By the way if you've modified the frame you may need MSVA.

pastapete 17-12-2015 06:53 PM

The frame has the original front section with a hardtail conversion, hopefully the tester will not question the frame history.

harry 17-12-2015 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pastapete (Post 658086)
The frame has the original front section with a hardtail conversion, hopefully the tester will not question the frame history.

The MoT testers are being "encouraged" to notice major modifications and a hard tail is considered to be major.

Where it all goes 'orribly wrong is when your insurance company won't pay out on a claim because the vehicle is not as described in the policy or the MoT does not match the vehicle insured, allowing them to claim the MoT to be invalid. The cops can then bust you for no valid insurance.

But that's your call.

pastapete 01-01-2016 04:14 PM

MSVA aarrrgghhh!
 
Thanks for your input on this. Just downloaded the MSVA manual and once you get through things like seatbelt location and other irrelevant sections it becomes clear that many of our bikes, in slightly modified form, would not pass this test!!

For instance I need to fit 2 rear view mirrors the dimensions of which seem impossible to purchase. This is going to be a long road and may be the reason for 'Trailer queens'.

I want to ride mine, maybe not far, but I want to ride.

harry 01-01-2016 11:53 PM

Wow I think you've misread some stuff.

For many years I tested MSVA and all wellbuilt bikes passed, sometimes with a few alterations but rarely any thing major.

As for mirrors the dimensions are easily met. But just put a pair of "E" marked mirrors on it and its job done as long as you can see behind you properly and the centre of the glass is more than 280mm from the centre line of the bike.

How hard is that ?

pastapete 21-01-2016 10:42 AM

My head hurts now!
 
Ok, so assuming that my bobber will need to go through the MSVA test I downloaded the test manual and have spent some time extracting just the relevant pages (for a 2 wheeled motorcycle). By fair or foul means I can (I hope) meet all the requirements.

Just downloaded the application form, from the .Gov website and noticed that under this;

Eligibility for MSVA

You can use the MSVA scheme for vehicles that:
are under 10 years old
havenít been registered before in the UK
donít have ECWVTA


The bike was first registered in 1976.
So does this mean I cant or don't need to MSVA test it?

Aspirin please!!!!

BikerGran 21-01-2016 03:31 PM

But was it registered in the form it's now in? If not, it's now a different vehicle.

wiskers 21-01-2016 06:01 PM

Best wait for Harry

But if it was me presuming it has been declared Sorn and the log book is in your name just book a MOT get it tested then tax and ride it

Honestly i can't see what the problem is Dai

pastapete 21-01-2016 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiskers (Post 658475)
Best wait for Harry

But if it was me presuming it has been declared Sorn and the log book is in your name just book a MOT get it tested then tax and ride it

Honestly i can't see what the problem is Dai

My thoughts when I started this thread but the consensus appears to be towards MSVA testing.

I favour taking it for an MOT and see what happens. I'll get turned away or it fails.

But that may be naive of me.

wiskers 21-01-2016 07:50 PM

Make sure it's insured as a custom they will want pictures of the bike tell them everything that's been done

The front mudguard you will probably want one after your first wet ride

The side plate I can't see that being a problem as long as it's lit

Is it registered in your name? If not get that done!

You said that the bike was first registered in1976 make sure the numbers are right if not get them changed

Get the paperwork right and you should be ok

how long has it been off the road? I can't remember when Sorn was bought in but if it's been off the road since before Sorn the registration number may have been reissued this will be a cause for grief!

Hopefully the paperwork is all good then you shouldn't have any trouble if one bit of paperwork is not right look out

Hope this helps Dai

harry 22-01-2016 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BikerGran (Post 658473)
But was it registered in the form it's now in? If not, it's now a different vehicle.

Exactly.

Historically many MoT testers turned a blind eye and just tested what was in front of them.

But due to vehicle crime (ringing) its getting much harder for that to happen.

Insurance companies may refuse to pay out on a claim if the paperwork don't match up. So you could end up being done for no insurance and be liable for huge sums if someone gets seriously hurt or killed.

pastapete 22-01-2016 04:36 PM

So does that mean I get a new or Q plate registration?

wiskers 22-01-2016 06:22 PM

Your making this hard for us to help

Have you got a current log book in your name for the bike

Is it on sorn

Do the numbers match

If you can answer yes to these questions have a chat to your local mot man

If you can't answer yes to these questions you will probably have to sva the bike and get a q plate

If the log books in your name you can get the engine numbers changed to match the motor you have, also you can get the engine capacity changed

You can also change the vehicle colour

pastapete 22-01-2016 07:30 PM

Like I said, this is starting to make my head hurt.

I have the log book in my name.

Its not on SORN (hasn't been taxed for some years).

Engine number and frame number match the log book details.

Think I will visit the local MOT man and ask some questions and as the MSVA test centre is not far from me I may as well ask some questions there too.

BikerGran 22-01-2016 09:08 PM

Here's something else to make your head hurt - if it's not on SORN but hasn't been taxed since before the SORN thing started, the registration may have expired.
You can check this online here.....

https://www.gov.uk/get-vehicle-information-from-dvla

You just have to put in the registration and make.

harry 22-01-2016 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pastapete (Post 658498)
So does that mean I get a new or Q plate registration?

That's DVLAs bit but usually when you have the logbook of the donor vehicle you can keep that reg number

harry 22-01-2016 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pastapete (Post 658502)
Like I said, this is starting to make my head hurt.

I have the log book in my name.

Its not on SORN (hasn't been taxed for some years).

Engine number and frame number match the log book details.

Think I will visit the local MOT man and ask some questions and as the MSVA test centre is not far from me I may as well ask some questions there too.

Tony at Avonmouth test station is very helpful. Tell him Harry says Hi. I'm not there for the next 5 weeks.

pastapete 01-02-2016 08:13 PM

I have surrendered to the idea of having to put this bike through the MSVA test. Downloaded the application form from the website and cannot open the file in any common word processor or any other software.

Took a visit to the test station on the basis that they would have a hardcopy of this document, nope. The guy behind the counter told me that they are available online. Long story short, he couldn't open it either!!



Anybody got a good copy of this document please.

strima 01-02-2016 08:25 PM

I can open it, PM me your email address and I can send it in PDF format.

pastapete 05-03-2016 03:42 PM

Ready for the test.
 
So I've modified and added the bits required by the MSVA test and ready to submit.
Added a front mudguard. (looks awful!)
Mounted the rear light and number plate centrally. (looks awful!)
Muffled the exhaust to less than 96db (sounds awful!!).
Rebuilt the bike trailer to get it there!


Steve

wiskers 05-03-2016 04:50 PM

Good luck with it

Construction and use also requires a chain guard to be fitted but MOT doesn't

Friar Tuck 06-03-2016 07:24 AM

Once its passed though, no doubt it will all be coming off then?

pastapete 06-03-2016 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Friar Tuck (Post 659181)
Once its passed though, no doubt it will all be coming off then?

SSSSSHHHH!!! Would'nt dream of it!!

pastapete 21-03-2016 05:23 PM

Booked MSVA test for 23rd March, starting to feel the pressure now. At least if it fails I'll know for sure what's expected.

BikerGran 21-03-2016 09:03 PM

I believe they are generally very helpful!

pastapete 23-03-2016 11:44 AM

Failed!
 
Well unfortunately the bike failed the MSVA test on the following items:
Speedometer not marked MPH
Front and rear indicators not fitted.
No unauthorised use device.
Front mudguard edge radius.
Rear edge of fuel filler higher than 15mm.
No approval mark on rear tyre.

Some of these things are easy fixes others not so.:(

SS2 23-03-2016 12:26 PM

Doesn't seem to be anything to onerous. Most of those you must've known you were going to fail on if you'd read the manual. No?


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