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Fenrir 27-11-2012 02:08 PM

SS Thunderbolts - not, not the BSA
 
I guess this is the right forum area for this thread. My appologies if this has already been done to death out there.

The other day, myself and a non-biker friend were admiring a custom build down on the seafront. The bike had SS Thunderbolts tooled into the seat and also subtly included in the paintscheme. When asked why, I suddenly found myself noobishly stumped.
The engine was by S&S. But elsewise all I could think to say was that the owner may have some history of enforcement with a patch club, or was a nazi. Or both.
As I try to shake off the last of my noobie tendencies, I wondered if anyone could tell me if the SS T'bolts are suggestive of something else when it comes to motorcycle design.
I ask also, as it would seem strange that publications like 100% or American V or BSH with a somewhat live-and-let-live attitude would indirectly glorify something like white supremacy by picking out SS logos as a positive design statement on some of their featured bikes.

kidhaf 27-11-2012 02:26 PM

I have my own thoughts on what this means I have always associated the flashes with Satans Slaves. I may be totally wrong but somebody in here will have the correct answer.

http://myimages.bravenet.com/632/078/232/front2.JPG

shaggy696969 27-11-2012 02:34 PM

The ϟϟ has been around biking for decades. Look at many of the old 60/70's pics and your going to see ϟϟ Iron crosses and 卐 all over them. Maninly shock and awe effect. Although I believe there are patch clubs that use them for their own reasons. And who are we to argue it. Personally I couldnt give monkeys about the symbols and there was a bike a lil whille back featured in magazines covered in Nazi symbols and paintings. Not inadvertantly shown but blazenly. Again who cares. I used to but don't no more lifes too short.

John Hopkins 27-11-2012 06:12 PM

I don't see that it matters how someone chooses to paint their bike, the last time the nazis caused trouble was in 1945 and we thought we had beaten them, I was in the British Army of the Rhine in 1961 and to my disgust we were told we had to salute german officers if we saw them in the street..I didn't see any..Years later we joined the common market and the richest nation were the germans..most of the people who fought in the second world war are gone now and the germans are the leaders of europe..it seems as a race they got what they wanted..

So some youngster sticks a few symbols on his back or bike or gets tattooed my thoughts are he knows nothing of the past and maybe it is better that he doesn't..back in the 1940's that same lad would have had the union flag displayed..

We have other enemies now, we don't need to dig up old ones..

John.

pale rider 27-11-2012 07:07 PM

bob man pictures i think displayed the ss symbol,as a sighn of strengh and commitment,the ss were very good troops,it was the ss totumkoph division that was resposable for war crimes,dont tar every ss man with the sane brush,viking symbols are all the rage,they were the enemy once,i guess in a thousand years the ss symbol will be ok.in the end it does not matter what some one displays,its how they feel about the symbol,and how that makes them act.

wiskers 27-11-2012 07:54 PM

Is it just me or is the O,P, poking a stick into the shit bucket and giving it a stir, [My appology's[fucin spelin] if you realy don't know] it's the owners bike and that person can put on it whatever they like be it chrome, matt black, or symbols of any sort if it fucks some off so be it cos it will make others smile

Fuck i'm getting grumpy in my old age Dai

droid 27-11-2012 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiskers (Post 636107)
Is it just me or is the O,P, poking a stick into the shit bucket and giving it a stir,

Fuck i'm getting grumpy in my old age Dai

Not just you Dai, I thought exactly the same thing...

:D

wiskers 28-11-2012 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by droid (Post 636109)
Not just you Dai, I thought exactly the same thing...

:D

I sort of appologised best i can in his other thread [new member intro] fucked if i going to try and spell that
but i glad it's not just me something don't ring right could be me

old fuck i am Dai

John Hopkins 28-11-2012 01:15 AM

It doesn't matter either way as long as none of us are stupid enough to print anything racial or libel about someone we can say what we want..Here's a guideline, if you would use different words in front of a reporter, then use those different words on here..

John

Fenrir 28-11-2012 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by droid (Post 636109)
Not just you Dai, I thought exactly the same thing...

:D

Not intending to shit stir, but having given other threads a cursory flick thru I did expect this to kick a hornet's nest a little.....but, I am asking out of genuine interest.
Whilst I am not overly concerned if my own opinions bring agreement, disagreement, friction or offence (though, I don't go out of my way to offend), I don't like it if I give an opinion made upon a false understanding of something; so didn't want to see something and call it something else.

Thanks for the responses folks, some interesting ideas. My OP wasn't to judge/condemn/criticise display of such symbols; merely to enquire about their purpose/reason. Whilst I disagree with white supremacist ideology, I am not exactly offended by it (why would I be I'm white?) just as I am not offended by Christian symbols despite not being a Christian (although I do object if government funded, but Secular government is a whole other debate).

Pale Rider - interesting comment about symbolitry over time. The Courthouse of Kentucky has a carved confederate flag in its marble. Some people deem this racist. Others says its a symbol of southern pride in an era of generally accepted racism, thus an unfair criticism of the south. Others think it odd for a government building to display the logo of an anti-government rebellion. Does an appropriate of nazi symbolitry enhance or reduce its power? Interesting question. Pirates (though not Somali ones) are now romanticised, whereas in their day they were viewed as terrorists are now. Yet flying a skull and crossbones would hardly provoke a response now.

Nufkamp 28-11-2012 03:05 PM

Going back to my latter teens, late 70's, we all wore SS/Nazi insigias purely for the shock value to non-bikers. I lost count of how many fake Iron Crosses I saw.

mickturate 28-11-2012 03:14 PM

The Barras'
 
was having a wander around The Barras' a bit back & saw an Iron Cross for sale...the Barras is mostly a good place to buy v. cheapstuff, if you've been you'll know the cry: 'baccy, fags, viagra'

so i asked & almost spat me tea when yer blokie ses: 350 to you laddie...

the two i have cost me a tenner each from other markets.

to continue the diversion: when we used to wear nazi stuff to 'fuck up the straights' one fella used to wear the blue n white mothers cross around his neck
&
no, we never told him

:thumbsu:

XJphil 28-11-2012 05:38 PM

sometimes you just like the look of things
i`ve always liked the SS image
my timing cover on my bike
http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/...7012012726.jpg

Fenrir 28-11-2012 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XJphil (Post 636168)
sometimes you just like the look of things
i`ve always liked the SS image
my timing cover on my bike
http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/...7012012726.jpg

There was a bike in BSH last month(?) where the paint scheme was separated on the tank by the SS thunderbolts - one side one colour, the other side another. It looked really good. As does the design tooled into leather seats. It looks good on yours too.
I guess its important to at least be aware of what stuff might mean though. Writing AFFA on yer bike or painting a death's head insignia might generate you unwanted attention....

Sir Ewok 28-11-2016 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickturate (Post 636157)
was having a wander around The Barras' a bit back & saw an Iron Cross for sale...the Barras is mostly a good place to buy v. cheapstuff, if you've been you'll know the cry: 'baccy, fags, viagra'

so i asked & almost spat me tea when yer blokie ses: 350 to you laddie...

the two i have cost me a tenner each from other markets.

to continue the diversion: when we used to wear nazi stuff to 'fuck up the straights' one fella used to wear the blue n white mothers cross around his neck
&
no, we never told him

:thumbsu:



There are a lot of fakes out there as the dies ended up in Eastern Europe, probably repatriated (looted) by Soviet troops, so all the cheap Iron crosses, tank destruction badges, Flak, Krim shields etc are usually fakes. The 350 one MAY be genuine or just another chancer with a fake.

Pale Rider,
the word you were looking for is Totenkopf which translates as death's head, but you are wrong. The Waffen SS where the fighting arm of the SS while the 'SS' itself were the Concentration camp guards, Eisatz Gruppe members etc who went around conquered territories executing Jews, communists and Partisans. Many units of the SS committed war crimes including executing British soldiers during the exodus to Dunkirk, Hanging political prisoners and rape etc.
No army is entirely innocent as their is a criminal element in all societies but this was condoned and even encouraged by the regime.

PS.
Back in the 60's I used to wear a Nazi Labour Corps armband as the colours were red, gold and black and I was a Don's speedway fan who had yellow and red as their racing colours.....


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