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Mitch 11-06-2008 07:59 AM

MoT questions
 
Can this be sticky'd please?

There is a website here that answers all bike MoT questions, so there isn't the usual dose of misinformation that often appears on these threads (such as needing a high-beam or neutral light... you don't need either!).

http://www.motuk.co.uk/mcmanual_610.htm

I know it's all with the best of intentions... but misinformation often leads to more stress for the poor sods having to get their bikes sorted over and above what they need to.

trikerdrew 11-06-2008 10:22 AM

cool
 
That'll be right useful ,so it will.:thumbsu:

drew

irishbiker 11-06-2008 03:07 PM

Interesting read...

One question jumps out at me:

On page regarding VIN numbers:


http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_630.htm


It states that a VIN is required on all vehicles first used on or after 1 August 1980.

Does that mean if the vehicle is older it does not legally have to have one?

P.

Mitch 11-06-2008 03:33 PM

It says after that date, so draw your own conclusions :)

titusni 11-06-2008 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishbiker (Post 515612)
Interesting read...

Irishbiker, I assume you're based in Northern Ireland in which case you should we aware that the likn Mitch posted refers to the GB MOT. The NI MOT for bikes (and certainly for trikes) is slightly different than the GB one (i.e. NI requires speedos to be dual MPH/KPM marked whereas a MPH only speedo is fine in GB).

irishbiker 11-06-2008 03:49 PM

I'm from Northern Ireland (Antrim Town) but I'm currently in Buxton, but yes I know our MOT's are slightly different. Tho there was this old guy who used to work at the Ballymena centre who was nice to bikers....

Saying that I'd say most of the MOT specs that the DVLA use are prob the same for the DVLNI. (I've even heard they are moving the offices from Coleraine to Swansea).

P.

cxdemon 11-06-2008 04:09 PM

There ya go Mitch.:thumbu:

Mitch 11-06-2008 04:14 PM

Ta very much meester! :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishbiker (Post 515619)
I'm from Northern Ireland (Antrim Town) but I'm currently in Buxton, but yes I know our MOT's are slightly different. Tho there was this old guy who used to work at the Ballymena centre who was nice to bikers....

That's Ballymena for ya, a good crowd over there! (went there a few years ago when I was involved with MAG, as NC observer to the NI AGM)

Grav 11-06-2008 07:21 PM

That will come in very handy, Mitch.

cheers.:thumbu:

titusni 18-06-2008 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishbiker (Post 515619)
Saying that I'd say most of the MOT specs that the DVLA use are prob the same for the DVLNI. (I've even heard they are moving the offices from Coleraine to Swansea).

Nope, they're not the same specs. We've been having a lot of problems over the past year or so with trike MOTs and the DVTA NI (or DVA as they're known now) won't let us see their Testers manuals to sort out any disagreements about their interpretation of the C&U and RVLR regulations...

Mitch 18-06-2008 05:08 PM

OK then Titusni,
do you have access to the NI version, that you can post a link to? :D

irishbiker 18-06-2008 07:16 PM

Hmmm OK, never knew that. Of course you could get a cheap ferry crossing and pop over to Stranraer :)

harry 19-06-2008 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by titusni (Post 515617)
Irishbiker, I assume you're based in Northern Ireland in which case you should we aware that the likn Mitch posted refers to the GB MOT. The NI MOT for bikes (and certainly for trikes) is slightly different than the GB one (i.e. NI requires speedos to be dual MPH/KPM marked whereas a MPH only speedo is fine in GB).



Mitch I applaud your idea of getting rid of misinformation but it's harder than you think. Titusni If you check the MOT manual you find no requirement for a speedo at all. A speedo is required by construction and use regulations (C&U) and for type approval or MSVA a pre registration test. So the tester can't fail you for a lack of one or incorrect markings on it. BUT a copper on the road can do you for not having one cos he uses C&U regs.

shaggy696969 19-06-2008 06:10 PM

And Mitch yours is out of date, too, it was last updated sept 07 so even Borgs Reg plates changes arent noted there either. God knows what else they have changed since then.

Mitch 19-06-2008 10:20 PM

There's nowt on this one about reg plates either...

http://www.motuk.com/Motorcycle%20MOT.htm#information8

titusni 27-06-2008 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harry (Post 517618)
Titusni If you check the MOT manual you find no requirement for a speedo at all. A speedo is required by construction and use regulations (C&U) and for type approval or MSVA a pre registration test. So the tester can't fail you for a lack of one or incorrect markings on it. BUT a copper on the road can do you for not having one cos he uses C&U regs.

I was focusing to the Northern Ireland situation, so maybe my choice of words weren't the best regarding the GB situation.

According to the "Motor Vehicle Testing Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2003" the MOT testers will apply regulations 40 & 41 from "Motor Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 1999" regarding speedometers. Regulation 40 of C&U(NI) requires a bike, trike, or car to be fitted with a speedometer capable of indicating speed in both MPH and KPH either simultaneously or switchable between the 2 displays.

So a dual marked speedo *IS* required for bikes, trikes, cars, etc to pass a MOT in Northern Ireland as well as being a legal requirements for vehicle use on the road.

Whereas in GB you can pass a MOT without a speedo fitted but legally must have a speedo fitted when using the vehicle on the road (though the speedo can be MPH only).

The point being that someone in Northern Ireland can buy a 2nd hand trike that's been happily MOTed in GB for several years (with a MPH-only speedo so legal for GB road use) and then some time in the following 12 months they take it for its 1st MOT in Northern Ireland and suddenly they're surprised to find that its fails as the speedo isn't dual-marked.

If you compare the NI and GB versions of RVLR and C&U and also the MOT testing regs there are quite a few subtle differences.

titusni 27-06-2008 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitch (Post 517323)
OK then Titusni,
do you have access to the NI version, that you can post a link to? :D

Nope, there is no NI MOT test manual available to the general public. Remember that unlike in GB the MOT tests here are performed only at 15 government-run test centres so whatever documents exist for their testers to consult are internal DVA(NI) ones.

I have asking in the past whether I could view their documents in person at a test centre but the answer was no. Apparently all they have is an electronic version on their internal network.

I've had to made do with looking at the actual relevant laws themselves:

Motor Vehicle Testing Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2003
Motor Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 1999
Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2000

whenever they've failed some trikes and people have disagreed with their failure decisions.

I'm considering filing a Freedom Of Information request as that appears to be the only possibility to see what the DVA(NI) "MOT testers handbook" document contain...

Mitch 04-07-2008 03:54 PM

Do it!! You know it makes sense! :D

boysworstcat 08-07-2008 02:35 PM

Will I have problems getting an MOT if I hardtail my bike?

Mitch 08-07-2008 04:33 PM

At least you'll be exempt from the items concerning suspension! :D

shaggy696969 08-07-2008 04:55 PM

Depends if tester works to rule, new rumours are that Hardtails need MSVA testing as they have had radical alterations. It has always been in the Mot testers book about changing of cradle and radically altered veihicles, well for past 20yrs anyway, Bolt ons not a problem as with weld on rear ends but alter the cradle and suspension and it goes belly up. The times they are (rumoured) a changing, Brit chopper Forum has covered this exstensivly with most of the Builders there working now to SVA test Book.

boysworstcat 10-07-2008 08:27 PM

I feared this. I'll ask my MOT man and see what he thinks.

SLEDGE 20-05-2010 04:28 PM

Talk To The Man
 
Having been a tester for a number of years, I have one piece of advice. If you have a problem and you really can't find the answer in print, then find out who your local "Vehicle Examiner" is. This is the man that keeps all the testing stations in check. He works for VOSA and from my experience they are all very nice people. If he doesn't know the answer, you can be certain he will find it out for you. Your best bet is to visit your nearest ministry testing station and they can tell you who covers your area.

Also, The attitude of VOSA is that, if their is any doubt, the customer gets the benefit of the doubt! That's what all testers are taught! Beware of testing stations that may have a vested interest in failing your trike. Regarding car tests, always use a "main dealer", the testers have no vested interest!

motman 03-05-2012 10:24 PM

mot stuff
 
hi i am an mot tester please feel free to ask any mot questions you need i test class 123 and 4 im here to help its nuffin scary they are just rules for which there is simple ansas

but dont ask what you can get away with for example ........ its not the testers fault your no plate the size of a fag packet failed for example he doesnt make the rules but his job depends on them you know the legal plate is the one a new bike come with so no probs

slim.. 05-08-2012 05:00 PM

I am also now an mot tester i only do bikes class I &II just thought i'd mention theres different rules & regs for bikes & cars which is where a lot of the confusion & misinformation comes from ........... as an example theres no numberplate size rules for bikes just letter size so if i can read it from a reasonable distance its a pass :thumbsu:

gothtec 21-05-2013 11:36 AM

Changing a Speedometer
 
My bike came with a speedo in Km and its been like that in the UK for 10 years.

I've now changed it for a speedo in Mph to make it easier to keep to the speed limit.

My question is - The mileage on the new speedo is 35,000 miles, where as the Km speedo was 9,000 km... So that a big up in mileage but only on the speedo - how do I report this to the DVLA and what happens at MOT time?

slim.. 22-05-2013 10:09 AM

At mot time the tester will put down exactly whatever is showing on the clock in either kmh or mph whichever it is shown in, the last 3 milage readings on the mot should show the milage in whatever it was read in .... eg 1234kmh 2345kmh then 47627 MPH or whatever so it will be easy to see that a clock change as been done

;)

gothtec 22-05-2013 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slim.. (Post 640893)
At mot time the tester will put down exactly whatever is showing on the clock in either kmh or mph whichever it is shown in, the last 3 milage readings on the mot should show the milage in whatever it was read in .... eg 1234kmh 2345kmh then 47627 MPH or whatever so it will be easy to see that a clock change as been done

;)

I've been told that the DVLA will note the change when I tell them...

Mitch 18-11-2013 01:18 PM

Nice to see this thread still being posted on! :D

Montyzooma 24-06-2014 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishbiker (Post 515612)
Interesting read...

One question jumps out at me:

On page regarding VIN numbers:


http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_630.htm


It states that a VIN is required on all vehicles first used on or after 1 August 1980.

Does that mean if the vehicle is older it does not legally have to have one?

P.

I would assume so, since that's the only sensible option - in earlier years some manufacturers didn't bother numbering the frame (it was, after all, generally just a few bits of tube welded together). Harley certainly didn't universally number their frames until about 1970, so you get bikes from the '50s and '60s where the owner has just stamped some random number on (like his birthday!), just so as to have summat on the log book!


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