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Does a trike have to have fog lights at the rear for MOT or is it a nice to have safety feature?
oggers80
17-08-2005, 06:26 PM
Mine hasn't got fog lights so don't think it's an MOT thing but then mine hasn't got hazards either!!
smeghead
17-08-2005, 08:14 PM
this has been posted by the msva dude so just copied it for you
Easy one first. you don't need a rear fog lamp on a trike for MoT if the tester says otherwise ask them to look at section 9.1, page 3 of the MoT manual. This lists the lamps required on trikes and quads.
read the msva sticky at the top of the page its full of goo stuff hth
Thanks for the info, can you tell me also if I have to have Hazard lights
blackhack
22-08-2005, 02:53 PM
yes it does...............
read the msva sticky at the top of the page its full of good stuff hth
Does anyone know how i can install hazard lights as I have indicators but not hazards, can you get a kit or can it be done simply by adding another switch.
cheers
yes it does...............
mmm mine never had them for the SVA
addjunkie
23-08-2005, 07:44 PM
but isnt yours registered as a disabled veichle, borg, sure you mentioned that some where before, so it technically didnt need an sva ...............
hazards for bike trikes were covered in a past issue and have been mentioned often in past techie posts................have a search!!
( correct me if im worng as it does happen often)
critch
23-08-2005, 07:58 PM
if registered as disabled trike you dont need an msva mankind fmb's trike is and only needs a mot
No it was SVAed before I had it as a normal trike. I'm going to change it to DLA taxed disabled before the next MOT
Gypsy
24-08-2005, 06:26 AM
Does anyone know how i can install hazard lights as I have indicators but not hazards, can you get a kit or can it be done simply by adding another switch.
cheers
alik windrush has knows the items required and also the wiring diagram for the hazards, might be worth giving him a shout
hazards are required for an MOT regardless of whether it's a registered disabled vehicle or not, and regardless of whether your tester knows this or not
this is also retrospective
(I say this cos the law for cars is not so retrospective, my MG doesn't need to have em fitted cos it wasn't built with any, this is also the case for seatbelts believe it or not)
so if you didn't have em fitted before - by LAW you have to have em fitted now
if your tester has never failed you for not having hazard lights then he's not up-to-date with the law and that's his problem, you are luckily getting away with it, but one day someone will tell him (an auditer or summat) then you'll be failed.
100%Pat
24-08-2005, 09:12 AM
Hmmmmm are you sure ? I went back and checked what MSVA Chris said in his other thread and he reckons hazards are not required if vehicle was built before a certain date, I know I should have cut n pasted the quote really but I forgot and now cant be arsed to go back and search all over again.... :D
Hmmmmm are you sure ? I went back and checked what MSVA Chris said in his other thread and he reckons hazards are not required if vehicle was built before a certain date, I know I should have cut n pasted the quote really but I forgot and now cant be arsed to go back and search all over again.... :D
no I'm never sure lol, I'm just going by what Alik told us (IIRC). I thought it wouldn't be retrospective, but Alik assured us it was, so we had hazards fitted to both trikes.
100%Pat
24-08-2005, 09:17 AM
I've tried to cut n paste the quotes and cant bloody do it for some reason, but if you go into the MSVA thread then search this thread for 'Hazards' the quotes come up. have a look and see... :D
Gypsy
24-08-2005, 09:21 AM
no I'm never sure lol, I'm just going by what Alik told us (IIRC). I thought it wouldn't be retrospective, but Alik assured us it was, so we had hazards fitted to both trikes.
thats true but when we got the trike MOT's the guy didnt even ask about hazards :D
Gypsy
24-08-2005, 09:21 AM
prehaps it has something to do with the date it was MSV'd :D
I've tried to cut n paste the quotes and cant bloody do it for some reason, but if you go into the MSVA thread then search this thread for 'Hazards' the quotes come up. have a look and see... :D
here's the quote
Vehicles first registered before 01 April 1986 are exempt hazard warning requirements so you should be ok.
but he also says that he isn't sure and needs to get an MOT manual to check - we await clarification with bated breath - no - can't wait lol, I'll check out the MOT regs. on their site!
thats true but when we got the trike MOT's the guy didnt even ask about hazards :D
usually these guys know stuff all about trike regs, and you can get away with lotsa things, doesn't answer what the law requires tho :p
Gypsy
24-08-2005, 09:27 AM
here's the quote
Vehicles first registered before 01 April 1986 are exempt hazard warning requirements so you should be ok.
but he also says that he isn't sure and needs to get an MOT manual to check - we await clarification with bated breath - no - can't wait lol, I'll check out the MOT regs. on their site!
does that mean the original registation of the bike or the re-registation of the trike??? :confused: :D
VOSA want me to pay lotsa money for the manual so I can't find out the answer :(
100%Pat
24-08-2005, 10:12 AM
Ring Chris and ask him... his number or his office number is on here somewhere, he doesnt mind , :D
OK tis all clear !!!!!!!!!!!1
But as mine is registered in 2001, I will need them, so I await someones help in telling me (politely) what I need.
cheers
A hazard warning relay switch from 'motorworld' wired into the feed from your flasher relay switch, or direct to the outputs from your indicator switch. Depending on what type of flasher relay you have. There not that hard to wire in when you see the thing. BUT does it have to have an illuminated switch or idiot light.
Ah now also do you need a indicator is on warning/Idiot light as well. Or is a high beam indicator the only warning light you need ?
Rakkers
24-08-2005, 11:43 AM
Does a trike have to have fog lights at the rear for MOT or is it a nice to have safety feature?
I've just had my trike M.O.T'd and if the vehicle is registered prior to 1985 it does not require HAZARDS, If registered (or year of manufacture AFTER April 1st 1980 then you DO need foglights at the rear.
I have a Alfa Romeo cluster on my trike and the fog light is built in the left hand side, but as they pointed out on the MOT it has to be in the centre or on the right. I smiled sweetly and got me t**s out (no seriously) they let it go.
Hope this helps :)
minxy
24-08-2005, 11:55 AM
Ah. Another wise woman that agrees with the 'if it looks like its gonna fail, show some skin' method of MOTing :) ;)
Gypsy
24-08-2005, 12:11 PM
just another point, if hazards are fitted , they must be useable with and without the key in the ignition
excalibur
24-08-2005, 12:21 PM
Ah now also do you need a indicator is on warning/Idiot light as well.
you have always needed a warning for indicators if you cannot see them from the riding position. You can get away with audible for cars, but not sure if this would work for trikes
you have always needed a warning for indicators if you cannot see them from the riding position. You can get away with audible for cars, but not sure if this would work for trikes
I can see the blinkers on the mudguards no probs
I've just had my trike M.O.T'd and if the vehicle is registered prior to 1985 it does not require HAZARDS, If registered (or year of manufacture AFTER April 1st 1980 then you DO need foglights at the rear.
I have a Alfa Romeo cluster on my trike and the fog light is built in the left hand side, but as they pointed out on the MOT it has to be in the centre or on the right. I smiled sweetly and got me t**s out (no seriously) they let it go.
Hope this helps :)
The SVA man said a fog light was not needed. Geez it just gets more confusing :)
Rakkers
24-08-2005, 12:41 PM
I know what you mean mate, went through the same trauma this year and my trikes been in the road now 3 years!!
My dad also has a trike (car trike) and he had to follow the same procedure that I mentioned. If it helps my ex owns a trike build shop and these procedures are what they have been officially told to follow.
I sympathise in you plight, if in doubt stick it all on ;) , the only thing we had trouble with was the fog light switch had to be in view of the rider so we had to chop my clocks about which was a complete "ball ache"
Thats what I'm thinking. I've got no where to mount all this crap. I have no 'dash' on the bars to put it all.
Fcuk it I'll just go to the MOT and see what they say. It's not due untill November anyway. Things might have changed by then again.
Rakkers
24-08-2005, 12:55 PM
Fcuk it I'll just go to the MOT and see what they say. It's not due untill November anyway. Things might have changed by then again.
Dont say that I cant handle another change!!! I will soon have a trike that looks like an xmas tree :D
Take it easy!
Do I need a front brake light switch as well then ?
Rakkers
24-08-2005, 01:03 PM
Do I need a front brake light switch as well then ?
Ur a star!! LOL :D
Gypsy
24-08-2005, 01:37 PM
Thats what I'm thinking. I've got no where to mount all this crap. I have no 'dash' on the bars to put it all.
Fcuk it I'll just go to the MOT and see what they say. It's not due untill November anyway. Things might have changed by then again.
strapped all our hazards etc to the bars for the MOT and removed it all afterwards :D
Now I'm totally confused, :confused: I'm asking myself why the fcuk did I buy the friggin thing now, :mad: but I'm sure it will be fine when and if I get it sorted............ :eek:
Ur a star!! LOL :D
LOL I ask because I've finished routing all the wires through the frame and forgot them ones :) if I don't then I wont have to un thread everything and start again
Mustang Boy
24-08-2005, 04:59 PM
A Trike only needs hazards and fog light if it's over 450 kg's then its MOT'd as a class 4!!! It's the law!!! :D
Cheers'en.
PHEW :) thats that soved then, now about that dam front brake light switch
titusni
25-08-2005, 01:50 PM
here's the quote
Vehicles first registered before 01 April 1986 are exempt hazard warning requirements so you should be ok.
but he also says that he isn't sure and needs to get an MOT manual to check - we await clarification with bated breath - no - can't wait lol, I'll check out the MOT regs. on their site!
For my trike it was originally a 1985 US Max, reg book for bike had 1992 import date, was MSVAed as trike in Jan 2004. Failed then due to lack of hazards (oh, and exhaust too loud :D) - the fecking MSVA manual my trike builder had did *NOT* mention that hazards were a requirement - the test centre were kind enough to photocopy the "missing" pages.
For 2nd MSVA hazards were fitted with audio warning (reversing type buzzer). On/off switch hidden out of sight to stop some fecking kids running the battery down.....
Went for MOT end of last year - MOT people never even asked whether hazard were fitted let alone wanted to test them...
A Trike only needs hazards and fog light if it's over 450 kg's then its MOT'd as a class 4!!! It's the law!!!
Trike is over 450kg (470 from memory), MSVAed and MOTed fine without fog lights. Also don't remember what class its under but don't think its class 4.
Mustang Boy
25-08-2005, 05:42 PM
Trike is over 450kg (470 from memory), MSVAed and MOTed fine without fog lights. Also don't remember what class its under but don't think its class 4.[/QUOTE]
Well it is a class 4 if it's over 450kg and therefore (SHOULD) have fog and hazard lights.
i've just had the same thing, as per usual most MOT testers are as in the dark as the muppets at the ministry.
Cheers'en :D
MSVA Tech
08-09-2005, 02:28 PM
Dear All,
You do not need a rear fog lamp on your vehicle if it is a trike (Class 3 or 4) or a quad (all Class 4).
The last big change to the MoT (Class 3/4) was Aug 2004 when Section 9 was introduced to give testers guidance on testing trikes and quads. There are no changes on the horizon as far as I know. As I've said before if you have a query with your MoT ask to see the manual. Page 4 of the introduction explains about vehicle definitions. and section 9 gives additional advice on testing trikes and quads.
The lighting requirements were brought into line with the MSVA requirements. The biggest p*sser was with the hazards which had always been in the MoT but rarely applied to trikes by testers.
Cheers All
Chris
Ok so I need them boo. So has anyone any idea how to wire them up or has a basic wiring diagram to help this eejat. :eek:
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