Farmyard reunion fund raiser.

[Creature]

Hi all

Mitch & myself are trying to get a fund raiser of the ground. This is to help ALL people who have lost stuff from the flooding of the site and those who have given up there time to help sort the mess out.(including rallyists,marshals,volenteers,rally stalls & anyone else associated)

Any funds left afterwards will be presented to the villagers of Hensley.

We are looking at 8th October (poss full weekend we dont know yet) tickets £10.00 inc camping.

Now we know there are various other projects on the go and if we can pull all these together including all bike related mags,associations to show a united front this would be a great day.

We both realise that not all mags/associations get along together very well - but surely for this one event we can all put our differences asside.

We need your help with the following........

1. Sponsership
2. Field (again free or small donation to cover costs)
3. Marquees (again free or small donation to cover costs)
4. Bars (looking at taking around 10% of profits)
5. Catering (Looking at taking around 10% of profits)
6. Advertising (free if poss)
7. Paper work & artwork design (Free if poss or maybee costs)
8. voleenteers to help us marshal run the event
9 anybodies experiance to help us host this - both me n mitch only organised small rallies).
10. portaloos (again free or small donation to cover costs)
11. help with legal issues.
12. Bands (again free or small donation to cover costs)
13. PA & other sound equipment
14. Stage and other related stuff

Disco has been sorted

I am sure I have missed loads - please post below and me n mitch will sort things out.


SO COME ON PEEPS SHOW US IF YOUR INTERESTED IN THIS VENTURE.

I am away at a rally doing disco this weekend, Mitch will monitor this thread and hopefully cut n paste it onto other forums.

If anyone wants to contact us

Mitch 07855 111946 email south-east-region@mag-uk.org
me 07957 375 463 email thefatonet@hotmail.com

[Creature]

stevie & his mandalin is 90% will know for def l8er today

[The Beer Monsters]

For that date you can count us in. We can bring a 6k PA and some lights.

Regards,

Paul, Robin & Huw.

[100%Pat]

count me in for advertising, a trophy or three... oh and a couple of subs or so for raffling etc .... Anything else you can think of.... dont know if I can make it, will depend on where in the country it will be held

[Captain Smurf]

I'll keep following the thread, but can you PM or email me with definite info so's I can add it to events lists.

A few of us at Youthbike next week. Without overshadowing that event, we could use it to put the info out.

[Captain Smurf]

Now that I'm a chat pimp, does that mean I have to swap me silver rings for gold ones, and wear gold chains?
:D

[Rock Ape]

As long as i'm not working,(will Find out later today) i will help with marshalling, bar tending,etc. Or anything else i can help with!

[Mitch]

Mrs R says:
Can everyone make the 8th October?

[Doro]

8th oct ok for us, we'll help out wherever we can - marshalling etc

[Jay]

I will help where I can with paperwork and stuff

[Mitch]

count me in for advertising, a trophy or three... oh and a couple of subs or so for raffling etc .... Anything else you can think of.... dont know if I can make it, will depend on where in the country it will be held

Cheers Pat!!!!! :D

[Martin]

Would be pleased to donate 10KW PA and lighting together with myself and Santa as engineers

BIGCATAUDIO

May need to cover fuel costs depending on location.

[Freak]

I'm sure I could manage a stint of Marshalling

[Grav]

Count me in for a DJ spot. I will bring my own CD's. You cant do it all the time mate, you have to go for a piss/food/beer at some point so I will gladly do a turn. I will even help organise the event if you wish, tis ages since I saw Mitch in a tizzy. :D I will see if Mr Hulse will compere the event if you like?

Couple of questions for you.

1) Where will the event be held? This will dictate how many people you can cater for and I have a feeling that this will be a popular event.

2) Public Liability Insurance, who is going to provide it and how much? I suggest that you will need cover of at least at least £3 million worth. You have to be able to cover everything should the poo hit the spinny thing.

3) Licences, you will need an entertainments licence as well as a bar licence. Whose name will they be in. I suggest that you find this out A.S.A.P. as a rally can be soerted out at short notice, but the neccessary licences will take longer as you need to satisfy the powers that be that you have the necessary emergency and security procedures in place before they will give you them.

Entertainment is easy to sort, the legalities are the nightmare.

[oncer]

Count me in for a Marshal as well. If you can get someone to do the Bar/s (how about the guys who were at the farmyard and lost one of theirs?) See if they can get the license.

[The Beer Monsters]

Entertainment is easy to sort

On that note, we have an additional band that will do it for free. They've not been seen on the rally circuit before, but they should go down well.

Regards,

Paul, Robin and Huw.

[GarrysPhrogg]

Count us in, will also have a chat with the lads from thundercity,
Not sure what use I will be but we will come along and I will donate some raffle prizes.

[Captain Smurf]

These young ladies have been in touch with me (oohh errr). They have said they're willing to pay charity gigs for nowt

From: monkeywenchrock@blueyonder.co.uk
Date: 06/23/05 15:29:27
To: enquiries@wozwolf.co.uk
Subject: wozwolf rally 25-29 aug


hiya,
were an all female punk/grunge/rock band and were interested in playing
your festie or any other events you may be organising in future, who shall
i send a cd to?
check out our website
www.monkeywenchrock.tk
thanx
elisa
monkey wench

[Maggie B]

OK
Entertainments Licence
Usually Local Councils need 3 months to sort out

Public Liability Insurance
If this is under the umbrella of MAG, the Insurance should be dirt cheap-Into Valley was £80ish for hired in , and £80ish for public liability-that was for 1,700 this year. But then of course the FYP disaster may put a cramp on insuring costs

Bands
I don't want to P*ss on anyones chips-but I think bands who are known to be brilliant or at least good by a variety of people should be chosen. Beermonsters were at FYP this year and went down well?? Maybe someone who knows the circuit and has some experience of booking. this person listening to CD's is a brilliant idea. (please don't let me put a dampener on anyones enthusiasm of offering, but a band who plays badly can spoil the evening/send people to bed/away from the bar etc)

[Grav]

There are several bands who fit the bill Maggie, I wouldn't worry too much about it as i'm sure that whoever plays will be top notch.

suggested bands by me, the Grav. :D

The Beer Monsters
Sh1ttin' Bricks
STEViE
Compere Rick Hulse

Thats a good nights entertainment at any rally, and if Creature accepts my offer to do a spot on the disco, we will make damn sure that everyone is dancing and partying into the wee small hours.

[Creature]

just come back from rally site after phone call from Mitch.

to be honest were overwelmed with the responce we have recieved so far.

i will start collating all info and start a page up on my website next week.

please give us all your advise - without it we probally wont be able to do it justice.

sites so far that are possible

upper site at helmsley

a site just north of birmingham

right of back to finnish setting up disco talk to ay all sunday

[The Beer Monsters]

Bands
I don't want to P*ss on anyones chips-but I think bands who are known to be brilliant or at least good by a variety of people should be chosen. Beermonsters were at FYP this year and went down well?? Maybe someone who knows the circuit and has some experience of booking. this person listening to CD's is a brilliant idea. (please don't let me put a dampener on anyones enthusiasm of offering, but a band who plays badly can spoil the evening/send people to bed/away from the bar etc)

By all accounts we went down well at FYP (at least it seemed that way from the stage). Your point however is noted and valid. The band we're suggesting have worked with us a good few times and if we thought they wouldn't entertain or weren't suitable for the gig, we wouldn't recommend them, if not for any other reason than it would reflect badly on us.

If someone WAS going to coordinate listening to CDs for bands that weren't already on the rally circuit then by all means we'd get them to listen to a CD of the proposed act.

Regards

Paul, Robin and Huw

[technoboiler]

count me in for the 8th

as far as the bands are concerned i think its mighty fine of them to offer and lets face it, its a fund raiser not a music fest!

well done chaps for the PA and the offer of free bands,,, whoever they are....i wont be critisising! :D

[technoboiler]

will also ask my friends band if they are free that wkend

http://www.crashed-out.co.uk/

[GarrysPhrogg]

just come back from rally site after phone call from Mitch.

to be honest were overwelmed with the responce we have recieved so far.

i will start collating all info and start a page up on my website next week.

please give us all your advise - without it we probally wont be able to do it justice.

sites so far that are possible

upper site at helmsley

a site just north of birmingham

right of back to finnish setting up disco talk to ay all sunday

personally i think it should if at all possible be as close to helmsley as possibe seeing as that is where the tsunami was. But I know we can't be choosey :)

[technoboiler]

personally i think it should if at all possible be as close to helmsley as possibe seeing as that is where the tsunami was. But I know we can't be choosey :)


i agree lynne
and would also show the locals we support them and bring a bit cash in for them

[Creature]

will know more about the upper slope at hensley next week...

this may spill over to a weekend event if response so far is any judge

it looks as if we may be forced into pre-book only - we wont know until site is confirmed.

origianally we were looking at around 500 - 1000 people - its starting to look as if we may have to double that !!!!!!!!!!

For everyone who has left messages & txts on my phone i will get back to you next week -

[Grav]

The people of Helmsley are getting back on their feet but rely on the tourist trade to bring much needed money into the local economy. They are worried that this freak of nature will put folks off visiting the town.

[Creature]

Grav - just pm'd ya

Tell them not to worry - if we can do this close to them we will !!!!!!!!!!!!!

ALso please let them know they will be more than welcome to come and see us all on the day :)

must go

[Creature]

hopefully in next few weeks we will have details of most people/stalls/organisations/clubs who lost stuff during the flood.

if you lost stuff - please email or pm me the details.

We are hoping that we will be able to present these with cheques at the event.

We will be getting together on the day to decide each case indevidually.

after we have looked after our Brothers n Sisters any remaining fund will go directly to helmsley fund.

[Maggie B]

Bands:-
Didn't want to sound critical-the Beermonsters DID go down well at FYP

I had (note the had) to organise bands at the valley once-very VERY difficult one to call ARGH!
never again-was on tenderhooks all weekend worrying about whether they would go down well
Luckily they did

Its OK saying -lets have all the bands who offer-but the poor "roadies"-a right logistical nightmare :)

all this said with smilies-I still think its fantastic people are planning on doing all this & being so enthusiatic about it all
I take my hat off to you all
Just wait until I tell the people down onthe site what you are all up to tomorrow
*sniff*

[Creature]

Just wait until I tell the people down onthe site what you are all up to tomorrow

hopefully it will remind them - that altho we cant be there with them in body - we certainly are in spririt & mind

take that means you done wanna offer to sort the roadie bit out then :) :)

[Grav]

lJust wait until I tell the people down onthe site what you are all up to tomorrow
*sniff*

They will probably already know by then Maggie, this has possibly got to them by now.

[The Beer Monsters]

Bands:-
Didn't want to sound critical

Never thought you were. Can see both sides of the point.

Regards,

The Tact and Diplomacy Monsters

[Abb]

Turns out I am looking like being in Oxford that weekend. However, that said, I will have a word with some folks I know and see if there is anything that can be gotten by way of assistance or 'stuff'

[sportybj]

You can count me in on marshalling the rally,as many trophies you want i might be able to sort a band out not promising though. I will help on anything i can and Pudsey MCC are willing to help out at the rally in anyway we can. We are looking forward to it. Must say what a brilliant idea! :D

[excaliburs missus]

Chris says that as a caterer he will do what is needed........doesnt have equipment anymore, but if you can scrounge griddles/bain maries etc for the event then he will sort it

[Pugwash]

count me in aswell anything i can do to help

[Martin]

In addition to the offer of PA and lights Santa and I can stage manage the entertainment if you like , we usually end up doing this at the rallies we do anyway!

Martin
BIGCAT AUDIO

Oh we have an automated music system for daytime stuff if needed and a BIG Screen projector system with camera.

[krammer]

bugger i'll be in amsterdam that weekend, but i'm only too happy to chip in with a few bob or whatever....

[Mitch]

In addition to the offer of PA and lights Santa and I can stage manage the entertainment if you like , we usually end up doing this at the rallies we do anyway!

Martin
BIGCAT AUDIO

Oh we have an automated music system for daytime stuff if needed and a BIG Screen projector system with camera.

sounds good Martin... :D

[Mitch]

To save costs on Public Liability Insurance and the like, this do is going to be billed as a MAG event (also, me being SE Rep and Director, it could hardly not be!).

More details to come :D

Cheers for all your offers of help so far folks, it's appreciated.

[Maggie B]

I will try & get around to speaking to the bloke (s) who own the bars at FYP, to see if they will have recovered enough to do this "do"-DId you know one of them-Richard jumped off one of his trailer bars after inspecting damage & broke his foot on Monday??

Outbar they are called-they had no insurance-they couldn't get any, so will see if they have recovered enought to do any other rallies

Other choices if you use Helmsley are White Horse mobile bars (name may be wrong) he brings and puts up his own marquees (as seen at the valley) for no extra cost, and sets up & runs a very excellent bar, also excellent returns to us, so hopefully more money to the cause. He can travel (he does bars in taunton etc so is used to travelling) I will speak to soon if thats what you want

Don't worry about it attracting a lot of people-I have organised Into the Valley for my sins (and did I suffer this last one) so I know what to expect, and which council to go to etc I don't mind helping organise if you want me, I just don't want to be in charge on the weekend.
Ask me anything

Except tomorrows lottery numbers-I'm a bit dodgy on those !

[Mitch]

Hi Maggie,

I'll email you shortly!! :D

[Santa]

Hi Mitch,
Having the event somewhere around the site is good idea, local council should be more sympathetic towards licences, etc. If, however, problems develop could I suggest a back-up site to consider - the Wood Green animal shelter at Godmanchester (Huntingdon), site of Celtic Warriors rally and Soggy Moggy (9th - 11th September). It has the capacity and already has licences so less hassle! Myself, Martin and probably Jim are more than happy to get involved in this worthy cause. Good luck m8.

[Mitch]

Got off the phone earlier today, talking to Creature who only popped home to get his decks... (took me this long to get my head around it all)

He was totally gobsmacked to the point of tears by the reactions and offers of help from everyone! Me too...

We'd just like to say thanks to everyone who's offered to help in any way they can with the Farmyard Fundraiser (name TBC).

As soon as we get things sorted out, there'll be full details posted on here

Cheers!

Mitch

[Grav]

Hi Mitch,
Having the event somewhere around the site is good idea, local council should be more sympathetic towards licences, etc. If, however, problems develop could I suggest a back-up site to consider - the Wood Green animal shelter at Godmanchester (Huntingdon), site of Celtic Warriors rally and Soggy Moggy (9th - 11th September). It has the capacity and already has licences so less hassle! Myself, Martin and probably Jim are more than happy to get involved in this worthy cause. Good luck m8.

Another site is the showground at Pickering, home of the Farmyard in the year of the foot and mouth outbreak.

[Creature]

afternoon all - just back from rally - and just printed all pms/emails and this thread. After ive had some sleep will start going thru them and collating what weve got so far.

if anyone who wants to help and has msn messager please add me to your list - hopefully this will keep the cost of phone calls down and make things easier for us all. (when ya add ya name please in message box put "farmyard Fundraiser"

Also hopeing to get to Youthbike next weekend (captain smurf let slip some mag peeps gonna be ther) - I wont be able to stop as i have disco booking sat nite - so hope to see some of ya there....

[Mitch]

Also hopeing to get to Youthbike next weekend (captain smurf let slip some mag peeps gonna be ther) - I wont be able to stop as i have disco booking sat nite - so hope to see some of ya there....

MAG's sponsoring the event by sorting out the PI insurance, so I would expect there'd be a few bods there.

Get some kip mate and we'll natter later! :D

[Creature]

ok have just printed and emptied me pm box - as it was fool - just in case anyone else is trying to pm me....

[Mustang Boy]

If you want punk bands let us know as i've got 2 great bands in mind!!

Good luck.
Cheers'en.

[Creature]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhh

Bloody Legal Crap

[Mitch]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhh

Bloody Legal Crap

Feckin' sh1te ain't it? :rolleyes:

I think we ought to call this 'snowballs R us!!'

[Creature]

we will get there - I WILL NOT BE BEATEN even if i have to sell me disco rig n chop !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Creature]

keep the word speading folks

some major issues hopefully gonna be resolved within next week...

even the problem about bank acount may be sorted.

also website should be online soon - altho far from complete, but at least you can see what im trying to do.

[Creature]

YIPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

bank account sorted - 4 days :)

[Doro]

music - russ tippins - say no more - based in Newcastle so not too far away - he did stormin' a couple of years ago and I think he also did the FYP - someone saw him recently, maybe it was Freak I was talking too? Gypsy might remember

http://www.russtippins.co.uk

[Creature]

the venue is still a major issue. but a very brief rundown at the state of play at momnent.

upper slope - hensley - looks as if we wont be able to push thru entertainment & other legal crap in time. still trying tho.

Doncaster showground - dont know yet - not found anyone who will contact and find details.

Newark showground - phoning today - they have perm ents & bar licences (but private owned so prob expensive)

Wood green - should know all details within 48 hours - again have there own ents/bar licences/car park and likely to be cheepest

[oncer]

Hi all,
Firstly, on behalf of everybody on the Farmyard site Sunday night, thank you all for your kind words, thoughts and actions. I know that the others were as surprised as I was at the level sympathy for the situation we found ourselves in. Had we known that there was a Surfing Championship organised we’d have brought our cossie’s and an Ironing board!

Secondly, I thank you all for the sentiment that’s behind the benefit gig. However, please don’t take this the wrong way, by the time the gig goes ahead many, if not all, of us will have replaced our lost equipment and will probably have sorted our bikes out by then. What we definitely do not want to happen is a gig aid of all of us going tits up and losing someone else a shed load of money. I suppose I really ought to talk from my own point of view but I imagine most of what I say here will be felt by the others anyway.

We are taking it on the chin, as always, and getting on with the next item on the list, it’s the way it goes, down one day up the next. We’ve had a lot of fun amongst all the hard work and speaking for myself, having a laugh with friends and knowing that so many out there care is compensation enough.

As creature and others are probably finding out about now, organising and running a rally is a complicated affair full of hard work and RISK. Please do not risk anything on our behalf, we are alive and well and richer than we were before. You have all given us something money can never buy or replace. To wake up one morning and know that total strangers care over your situation makes us very wealthy people.

Please don’t lose your own bikes and money on a risk that can be avoided.

Pete Walker (Clown Prince) has circulated an e-mail to most of who were on site requesting details of losses for the insurance, and between us all it should have gotten / will get to the rest. Hopefully the insurance will pay up without too much bickering.

There is also an Appeal being run from MAG central, if you would like to give a few quid to us then please do it safely by ringing MAG UK on 0870 444 8448 and asking for FYP Marshals Flood Appeal with credit card details or post cheques payable to "MAG UK Ltd" to MAG UK, PO BOX 750, Rugby, CV21 3ZR marked "FYP MFA".

There is also a kit collection by Lemmy and Bess so if you have any spare kit contact them on lemmy@black-knights.co.uk or bess@black-knights.co.uk and donate kit.

These, for what they are worth, are my own thoughts on the matter and maybe I should have written this as such, but I believe everyone else will be feeling the same way. Maybe not, if there are others out there who were in the flood and feel differently feel free to tell me to shut my big gob!

Thank you all for your thoughts and concerns, and I’ll see you at a rally in the near future.

Oncer (a flood survivor)

[Mitch]

Secondly, I thank you all for the sentiment that’s behind the benefit gig. However, please don’t take this the wrong way, by the time the gig goes ahead many, if not all, of us will have replaced our lost equipment and will probably have sorted our bikes out by then. What we definitely do not want to happen is a gig aid of all of us going tits up and losing someone else a shed load of money. I suppose I really ought to talk from my own point of view but I imagine most of what I say here will be felt by the others anyway.

We are taking it on the chin, as always, and getting on with the next item on the list, it’s the way it goes, down one day up the next. We’ve had a lot of fun amongst all the hard work and speaking for myself, having a laugh with friends and knowing that so many out there care is compensation enough.

As creature and others are probably finding out about now, organising and running a rally is a complicated affair full of hard work and RISK. Please do not risk anything on our behalf, we are alive and well and richer than we were before. You have all given us something money can never buy or replace. To wake up one morning and know that total strangers care over your situation makes us very wealthy people.

Please don’t lose your own bikes and money on a risk that can be avoided.

Pete Walker (Clown Prince) has circulated an e-mail to most of who were on site requesting details of losses for the insurance, and between us all it should have gotten / will get to the rest. Hopefully the insurance will pay up without too much bickering.

I think what Andy's just said sums it up as far as I'm concerned, it's not worth staking your prized bike and disco unit for something that might pop up and bite you on the arse if it all goes tits up. That's why most MAG rallies are run by a limited company - that takes the shock (like MAP - who knows?) - so one person doesn't have to.

From what I've learnt about rallies this past six months makes feel a little cold when it comes to the thought of putting one on next year. People that I've asked (MD and others) have told me some horror stories about how much their events cost to run, and the beurocracy that goes with them, even though they have been going a good few years and have built up from small beginnings.

To be honest Creature, the best thing I can recommend is keep that disco rig you've got (it's quite impressive and would be a complete bandstand to replace) and the chop, carry on with the gigs you booked - do a load more next year (including one down in the South East I hope...) put a bucket out for a while, raise some money for the marshal's fund if you want. Or even better still, support an existing MAG event, we'll try and get to the Yorkshire Pudding Rally this year, I'll be needing a blat once my bike's back on the road...

[andy_k]

I've been asked to ask about attending in a car?

[minxy]

Creature

I'll post this here rather than have a private discussion as I believe that others may feel the same way as I do. The awful event at the end of the Farmyard Party and the phenomenal response from the biker community restore faith that we can and do pull together in a crisis. We look after our own and I know this is what you hoped for from a fundraiser event. However, in view of recent postings and the changes that we've seen in the situation as events have unfolded and stories recall over the last few days - it seems that those affected by the flash floods are being looked after. Whether that be through the FYP 'business' or directly through smaller group contributions to others directly in need, they are being looked after and that is all we hoped for.
We all had a knee jerk reaction to the 'diasaster', maybe that was because it so nearly could have been a true tragic event had it happened a few hours earlier. It could so easily have been any one of us. We all wanted to help, to make sure that no-one was out of pocket or potentially lost their ability to continue with our lifestyle at rallies. It seems that has already been achieved or is in hand.
So - coming to a point as gently as I can (good job this is me and not Jester typing!) ... why are we having a fundraiser? Is it to go direct to MAG? (I dont think that was the initial intention) Is it to go to the people of Helmsley? It seems that on a individual level, those who have incurred losses and costs have or are being looked after already from their closer community.
I know you've already put a huge amount of effort into channelling responses of support and offers of help into potentially putting on an event. And you truly are one of the kindest souls any community could wish to have as a member. But I think you need to consider carefully if a Farmyard Party Fundraiser is possible or appropriate at this time.

<hugs>
Minx
You've got my number if you want to talk offline. Please dont shout at me though. I'm just a girlie you know ;)

[Creature]

Hi all.

I dont know how this is gonna pan out - those that know me well will understand what I am trying to say !!!!!!!!! also sorry I cannot stand to pm/email eveybody who offered services or goods at the moment.

After the posts by oncer & mitch, and with spending most of last nite talking to those friends whose apinion I value most. It appears that everybody is covered by insurance in one way or another and that certain people do not want me to do this event........

If the above information IS correct then the reason I had for starting this fund raiser NO LONGER EXISTS and with sadness and great relief in many ways that we do not have to go thru with this fund raiser.(I just hope that the above posted by oncer is true as I will be very angry if it turns out not to be true).

When I started to think about it idea I had in mind that no organisation would take sole control and praise for the end result. I believe that I have managed to retain that fact. After all this was not about our political beliefs but just a way to help our own.

In-fact writing this post has been the hardest thing I have had to do concerning this event.

Many people had tried to put obsticles in the way and tried to put me of doing this event - but the photos,emails,pms and the offeres of goods/asistance kept me going.

Some will say that the obsticles were to much to handle in such a short time - so to dispell that mith before it starts hear are the details of the event as it stood at 6pm last nite.

1. Venue was down to 4 venues.

a. Upper slope Hensley - almost 99% certatin due to ents licence and other problems would be unable to use this site.

b. Doncaster - was looking into

c. Newark Showground - had a meeting arranged or Friday - will cancell today.

d. wood green - Have PM'd Jim to hold of contacting them.

b,c & d - all have pernament entertainment licences and bars, also many other features which would have saved money and time tring to source....

2. the bank account - many said this could not be done - in 4 days the details checkbooks and other stuff will be sorted. (creatures fund raising events (so can be used for other things later on)).

3. Public libility if mag didnt want to go thru with there offer of libility insurance (had to be billed as MAG event tho) was just about sorted.

4. band lineup - enough for a one nites doo already in place. thanx folks your offers to play for nowt or petrol costs ment a lot to me.

5. sponsors - well they know who they were and other enquireies to sponsor the evnet were well in hand (many thanx to you all)

6. raffles prizes - what can I say I was overwhelmed by the quality of goods offered, Sorry I cannot take you up on the offer now, again many thanx)

7. Tickets were3 about to be printed free of charge - will cancel this morning.

8. bar & free marquee had been offered - (plus 2 other bars offered)luckily i hadnt had chance to accept the offer - but thanx

9. event insurance - was in hand - now cancelled

10. PA's and other goods offered - thanx to all

11. everybody who offered there services/clubs to help get this event running and help over the weekend - your advise & help has been much appriciated by me and I will not forget.

12. first aid cover had been arranged for the weekend - will cancell today.

and so much more - that many will who have arranged rallies will know about.

I would like to thank everybody who with there unstinting and genorous help allowed me to get so much done in such a short time.

To me honor/respect is eveything - i just hope i have not lost any of that in eveyones eyes.

yours faithfully

Creature

[Jay]

To me honor/respect is eveything - i just hope i have not lost any of that in eveyones eyes.
I don't think you really believe that mate do you!

If you do, then you're more of a Nutty Pirate than I first suspected.

Kind Regards

Jay

[Gypsy]

I don't think you really believe that mate do you!

If you do, then you're more of a Nutty Pirate than I first suspected.

Kind Regards

Jay
seconded :D

[Mistress Maker]

creature , you are a gent of the highest order, i am sure that many peeps would agree when i say you have my utmost respect for having the courage and compassion to try and actually DO something to help.
peace in your head and heart matey .......
mistress (xxxxx wiff a big hug too )and addjunkie

[100%Pat]

CREATURE!!
There is no shame in calling off this event!!! You showed everyone just what bikers are about, but the happy fact, and it is a happy one is that we now realise it isnt needed. I know I speak for all on here and everyone who knows you , when I say we know how much effort you have put into this and if it had of been needed it would have been a great event. You showed everyone just what being a biker and looking after our own is all about, as did everyone who rallied round after what so easily could have been a huge tragedy.
The 'biker' spirit has grown on a massive scale showing many that had doubts that our lifestyle is still thriving.
Have a rest mate, you deserve it. Its all sorted .

[Spike]

Well said Pat :)

[Yoda]

Respect to you creature mate
and you are a bigger man in my eyes

[Captain Smurf]

Pat got it right. Like you, creature, I got damp eyes when I saw the response to your call for help. If nothing else comes of this, it's shown us that there is still amongst bikers that cameraderie which, possibly, is only otherwise found in the armed forces.

[Captain Smurf]

Respect to you creature mate
and you are a bigger man in my eyes

Respect to Creature, Yes.
BIGGER man ? ;)

[oncer]

Hi Creature, everything I put in my post is true. If anyone reading this knows of anybody who was in the flood and who has lost equipment then pm me and I'll put you in contact with Pete. As I said, hopefully the insurance will pay up, there is a very tenacious person on to them and they're going to have a tought job to wriggle out of it!

The FYP Marshals Flood Appeal is up and running (see MAG website) Posters have beeen sent out and have been / are being put all over the place.

The one thing that we would not want to see is for someone to lose their own bike/equipment on this fantastically generous gig. The fact that you would have put your bike and your gear on the line for us shows just how big a giant you are. You could never walk taller than now, you will never have more respect from so many people than now. You have pulled together a miracle of logistics and planning in such a short time and all for the benefit of others, how could anyone not respect you for what you have done.

I salute a man amongst men (and women)
Deepest respects Creature

oncer (i'm getting all emotional now!)

[Maggie B]

My email to you personally already has said what I think-Oncer is telling the truth

You are a good person Creature-no one would have thought that it would not have been a success (I wouldn't let it have been either :D)

If you still feel very strongly about this-how about a disco & the money to the MAG Marshalls fund??
Sounds like you would be brilliant at that.

Keep safe C.
If nothing else out of this you will have restored peoples faith that there are good generous people out there who think more of others than themselves
Wish there were more people like you out there in the world (and less people like that David Conway)

[The Beer Monsters]

To me honor/respect is eveything - i just hope i have not lost any of that in eveyones eyes.

Lost? No.

Gained?. Definitely.

Top bloke. Unselfish. Determined. Passionate. Caring.

Nowt to be ashamed of there young Creature.

[Mitch]

Creature,
You've done well mate, as Pat said, we all thought the biker spirit didn't exist anymore. You've done your bit!

[Grav]

Creature, your efforts to put a fundraiser on are very highly commendable and I have the greateset respect for you for giving it a shot mate. If there's anyone who truly represents the spirit and cameraderie of our lifestyle, it's you.

I will definitely see you in a field somewhere.

Grav

[critch]

creature to me you seem to be a top bloke i have the upmost respect for what you were trying to do my club organises a few events and the hard work that the lads who plan and organise is beyond me for you to have got 90% of that done in a few days beggars belief

i for one would not want you to sell yer bike as i have not had the pleasure of meeting you yet!
in anticipation of one day in a field somewhere...... :D

[Captain Smurf]

As he's too modest to post his own; here's a pic from last weekend at the Swamp Donkey :p

[100%Pat]

And what a handsome fellah he is..... oh such a great tee shirt too... :D

[Yoda]

As he's too modest to post his own; here's a pic from last weekend at the Swamp Donkey :p

who is that in the piccy

no hat?
no parrot?

No dont recognise him at all :) :) :)

[minxy]

Phew

So I'm still breathing. I havent been shot down in flames. Everything is 'okay'

:D

[Creature]

Thanx everyone - MInxy why should u be shot down - u made a lot of sence to me last nite

[smeghead]

its all been said, but im going to say a few things, i respect few but like even fewer, i dont know creature, but if i ever meet the guy i'm buying him a pint, i've followed this thread and words cannot describe the emotuions i felt when i saw what creature was putting on the line for the benefit of others, damn i respect the man, he's a giant in every sence of the word ,as long as there people like creature and other in our fraternity the biking spirit and cameraderie only we know will never ever be eroded.
so ladies and gentlemen raise your glasses and toast creature, a man whose willing to go that little extra for his own

[Bassman]

Can only echo what has already been said on here... can only give respect and admiration to a man that was willing to work so hard and risk so much for lots of folk that he has probably never met...
That is what being a real biker and a man is all about... greatest respect to you mate... look forward to buying you a few cool ones...

[Doro]

reading the outcome to this made me very sad, it's a real shame cos I for one think it would have been successful, and there's no way any of us would have let creature sell anything to pay for it :(

creature, you've been a real star here, I'm just sorry we won't see the real outcome of your efforts, for god's sake all the effort you've gone to so far...!!

please don't let it get you down, it would have been a great party and I don't believe at any RISK to anyone, what risk huh?

very saddened I am :(

I know how it would make me feel to get all fired up about helping people and organising stuff, just for someone to turn round and say - 'oh we don't need your help'

and hey - I don't care if I'm right or wrong - am just speaking from my heart - from how I FEEL about the way this has gone

poor creature :(

[Jim]

Well done Creature. You did what was right.

I just hope those bloody insurance companies pay up.

[DaiPunk]

Creature
thanx for all efforts :)












Oncer
cheers, nearly owed creature a pint :D

[Sheltie]

Hats off to you creature, I for one will buy you a pint of whatever. You've done well to get as far as you did.


Don't feel down about it, Remember Bob Geldof almost never got the first live aid off the ground and some thoght it would be a waste. Nothing in this life is ever a waste.

Take care mate and meet you sometime

[Mitch]

reading the outcome to this made me very sad, it's a real shame cos I for one think it would have been successful, and there's no way any of us would have let creature sell anything to pay for it :(

creature, you've been a real star here, I'm just sorry we won't see the real outcome of your efforts, for god's sake all the effort you've gone to so far...!!

please don't let it get you down, it would have been a great party and I don't believe at any RISK to anyone, what risk huh?

very saddened I am :(

I know how it would make me feel to get all fired up about helping people and organising stuff, just for someone to turn round and say - 'oh we don't need your help'

and hey - I don't care if I'm right or wrong - am just speaking from my heart - from how I FEEL about the way this has gone

poor creature :(


It's amazing what can happen in less than a week eh? When Creature and I put the original posts on all the forums to get the ball rolling, it was always a case of let's see what happens, if we get enough support from everyone, it would go ahead. The first issue was the time of year, it was chosen as something we could advertise everywhere in time and it had to revolve around my working weekend (as I couldn't get much more time off), of course, as was mentioned previously, you are only going to get die-hard bikers turning up to an event up north in October (consider the hard work Pat's had to get the forum party off the ground)...

I'd had a couple of doubts, namely Creature having to his own bank account (albeit a spare one) originally to get money into (because of the legal risks to him - VAT and the like), also the public liability insurance - I'd already negotiated that for nothing through MAG but to cover the event it was suggested that as a fundraiser for the marshals and others that it would be (at least in name) a MAG event. That was not to take away the credit away from anyone in particular, but to make life easier. We knew NABD couldn't get involved, likewise the MAG Foundation due to certain charity laws, so the idea of all the bike organisations getting involved couldn't happen as much as we'd liked.

Doro, you asked what risks there would be to Creature?
1. Entertainments licence - we all saw what happened to that MC club earlier this year whose rally got closed down because licences weren't in place, As far as I can gather, not having the correct licence can mean the event being closed down and the organiser/s being arrested. The average ents licence takes about 3 months to obtain
2. Only certain items would have been available on the blag. No-one came forward with toilets and the like (considering what had happened to the ones at Helmsley, it would have been a job trying to get more).
3. There would have been major cash outlays to pay out - (ask MD), for skips and the like to clear up the rubbish etc. If the event bombed, Creature and myself would have to have picked up the tab (likewise petrol money for those people who said they would help, even for cost).
4. How predictable is the weather in October? there were enough folk moaning about mud at Into the Valley earlier this year...

When I heard that Creature was willing to stake his chop and disco rig, that's when alarm bells started ringing (and sleepness nights). As I've mentioned previously, most MAG events are run by Ltd companies that take the hit if it all goes to pot, so the last thing I wanted to see was Creature losing everything, when those that have had the pleasure of his company at dos they've been to or ran (such as my one in East Grinstead last month) would know what a loss that would be to the biker community.

After numerous phonecalls and emails to Oncer and other MAG folk closely involved with the Farmyard, I realised it wasn't that they didn't want our help, it was just that I (with Justine Travis, MAG's Finance Director) had already set up the appeal, which is now up and running (thanks to everyone who's contributed) and the events insurance should take care of the rest (especially with a bit of persuasion).

What the guy managed to do in so short a time, left me for dead (being unable to do much with my day job etc.) I'll take my hat off to him for that. At least we'll get to see him out on the rally circuit with his chop and his disco well into the future.

WELL DONE MATE!

[Creature]

THis is for everyone who has pursuaded me its time for me to re-look at this thread and make a final post.

This is the 1st time ive looked at this thread since the last post I made. In fact to all my great friends who have rallied around and listen to me rant on and give there advise freely, We must not forget the genourosity of many people that I don't know who offered goods, there services, and most of all theer support. Without them I couldn't have got as far as I did !!!!!!! - this post is just as much for them.

I was lucky enough to be the central catalyst and things just seemed to fall into place, as many organisers whill testify its not all plain sailing. But my belief in what I was doing and other peoples belief in what I was trying to do kept me going thru all the obsticles.

Many know me as the idiot that wears a pirate hat and a parrott on me shoulder, i think many have been surprised and the big softy under the skin and understand the plesure I give many other people. (thanx Pat for not adding my infamous quote in "memories of nabd 2005"

Many people have expressed there thoughts to me over the last week or so - thanx all, I'm not gonna embarras ya by naming you - but just like me you wanted to help...............

I have been surprised at how emotional I have become reading this thread again - yes doro it still hurts but you were right i had to do it. But I felt I had just to add a bit more to this thread.

All is not dead out of this adventure a newer slimmer series of events may happen, everyone i have spoken to and i have just sort of dropped this little nuggett has been very supportive - weather it will work i dont know and at the moment do not have the energy to drive it forward. But well see.

To all those I still havent emailed to thankyou for your kind offers please accept my appologies, but it was something I still cannot bring myself to do.

Thats my last rant on this subject and hopefully it will gracefully fade away into the backs of everyones minds, but rest assurred if a need arises I will be there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nite all and look forward to seeing you all in a field somewere soon

[Mitch]

To mis-quote the stones on this one... you or this thread will 'not fade away!'

You're right, there are already fundraising gigs planned for next month. When I get home I'll post details of ones already organised.

Creature, check out BSH the next issue when it comes out. You and some labrador puppy (oh yeah, and a red setter :D ) feature in it quite prominently in some little old event down East Grinstead way :D

[Tooty]

Count us in at Thundercity Motorcycles have you thought about a custom show we will sponser a trophy and ill try and get the bikes from the biker build off there too and im sure all the guys would also donate trophys ring me at the shop if i can help.......but you need a venue and a date quick as its gonna be hard not to clash with anything else.

[Mitch]

Count us in at Thundercity Motorcycles have you thought about a custom show we will sponser a trophy and ill try and get the bikes from the biker build off there too and im sure all the guys would also donate trophys ring me at the shop if i can help.......but you need a venue and a date quick as its gonna be hard not to clash with anything else.

Tooty, there's a gig planned already in York next month, is that too far away?

[Tooty]

No Yorks fine let me have the details ASAP :cool:

[Doro]

You're right, there are already fundraising gigs planned for next month. When I get home I'll post details of ones already organised.



so why wasn't creature's fundraiser good enough? ok so they said they didn't want him to lose anything by holding a fundraiser, but if he was willing to go for it why was he discouraged I still don't think he would have lost out by doing it, he had everything arranged...

isn't everything in life a risk? isn't that what makes things worth doing?

he was willing, loads of folk said they'd go, he had everything covered

well I don't care if I lose the respect of people on here, I for one am still saddened by how this has turned out :(

[Gypsy]

well said doro.
speaking to creature the other night he had 99% of the rally organised for little or no cost,
why was he bull****ted to stop him doing this???

[Rock Ape]

I have to agree with all said. Creature has shown as so many have stated the close community we share and will offer to each other. he has broke his back trying to get this event off the ground. the proceeds of the event could have gone to anyone involved one way or the other at the 05 FYP.

If all charities or events turned down help, where would they be? Mr chaz for example ( "Thanx Avon dont need your tyres as i've already got 2").

surely the extra would have been a help to mag and also publisised the event and what happened.

creature feels he let everyone down...Why? I will stand up and say he's a better man than me, cos i wouldn't have dreamed ov taking it on!

I only offered to help marshall an event, then waited for the time. I've only just read the complete thread which took me from concern to discapointment, then as pointed out by doro & gypsy anger really. The last part of the thread is basically like saying Thanx creature, but we dont need your help as we can do it on our own. :mad: Well of course you can, but as the saying goes "Don't look a gift hoarse in the mouth"

Creature.... I applaude you! :D

[STEViE]

This sounds like a classic case of my bat my ball. Why this has gone down the way it has I'm not too sure. But FFS, why stop (sorry, dissuade) someone from puttin' together a charity do that would have benefitted the folks who lost stuff, I'm sure the folks who would benefit wouldn't have cared where the help came from. Not impressed by what appears to be two-facedness from certain folks, surely Mitch you must have known this was goin' on, why the hell didn't you just explain what was goin' on to Creature. MAG, sorry MAP ('cos ain't they the ones who organise the events, not MAG) have played this all rather close to their chests as have you Mitch. Seems like someone had a good idea that was hijacked. I'm sure Creature wasn't interested in doin' this for his own esteem, but hey I bet MAG make big bones out of what they're gonna do instead.

STEViE - Saddened an' pissed off, very pissed off.

[Mitch]

This sounds like a classic case of my bat my ball. Why this has gone down the way it has I'm not too sure. But FFS, why stop (sorry, dissuade) someone from puttin' together a charity do that would have benefitted the folks who lost stuff, I'm sure the folks who would benefit wouldn't have cared where the help came from. Not impressed by what appears to be two-facedness from certain folks, surely Mitch you must have known this was goin' on, why the hell didn't you just explain what was goin' on to Creature. MAG, sorry MAP ('cos ain't they the ones who organise the events, not MAG) have played this all rather close to their chests as have you Mitch. Seems like someone had a good idea that was hijacked. I'm sure Creature wasn't interested in doin' this for his own esteem, but hey I bet MAG make big bones out of what they're gonna do instead.

STEViE - Saddened an' pissed off, very pissed off.

To be honest, the dos that have been organised have got nowt whatsoever to do with me, or for that matter anyone else that was involved with the farmyard - let alone MAG nationally. Just by members themselves who have thought 'let's organise a gig to support the appeal' that's all. The only thing I'm involved with, (not even that involved with it) is making sure money raised at the next local M

I did explain it to Creature right at the start, but I could only go on information that I had myself, so I wouldn't shoot the messenger!

[Mitch]

This sounds like a classic case of my bat my ball. Why this has gone down the way it has I'm not too sure. But FFS, why stop (sorry, dissuade) someone from puttin' together a charity do that would have benefitted the folks who lost stuff, I'm sure the folks who would benefit wouldn't have cared where the help came from. Not impressed by what appears to be two-facedness from certain folks, surely Mitch you must have known this was goin' on, why the hell didn't you just explain what was goin' on to Creature. MAG, sorry MAP ('cos ain't they the ones who organise the events, not MAG) have played this all rather close to their chests as have you Mitch. Seems like someone had a good idea that was hijacked. I'm sure Creature wasn't interested in doin' this for his own esteem, but hey I bet MAG make big bones out of what they're gonna do instead.

STEViE - Saddened an' pissed off, very pissed off.

To be honest, the dos that have been organised have got nowt whatsoever to do with me, or for that matter anyone else that was involved with the farmyard - let alone MAG nationally. Just by members themselves who have thought 'let's organise a gig to support the appeal' that's all. The only thing I'm involved with, (not even that involved with it) is making sure money raised at the next local Medway branch fundraiser goes to the appeal (this was planned months ago)
I did explain it to Creature right at the start, but I could only go on information that I had myself, so I wouldn't shoot the messenger!

[Sheltie]

Doro Stevie an rockape sum up how I feel about the whole thing, Creature went out of his way and now has been spat in his face over it, not happy:mad:

[Captain Smurf]

bloody teachers pet. I dream of being spat at inna face

[technoboiler]

creature, you are gonna get a big kiss (with tongues) next time i see you!
and u aint fast enough to run away :p

[shadowdragon]

Creature my dear (((((((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))) I know how much work you put into trying to organise the fundraiser and how hurt you are after having to pull out (or scale down as maybe).

You have a big heart and I applaud you.

(((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))))))

[Mrs Reject]

This sounds like a classic case of my bat my ball. Why this has gone down the way it has I'm not too sure. But FFS, why stop (sorry, dissuade) someone from puttin' together a charity do that would have benefitted the folks who lost stuff, I'm sure the folks who would benefit wouldn't have cared where the help came from. Not impressed by what appears to be two-facedness from certain folks, surely Mitch you must have known this was goin' on, why the hell didn't you just explain what was goin' on to Creature. MAG, sorry MAP ('cos ain't they the ones who organise the events, not MAG) have played this all rather close to their chests as have you Mitch. Seems like someone had a good idea that was hijacked. I'm sure Creature wasn't interested in doin' this for his own esteem, but hey I bet MAG make big bones out of what they're gonna do instead.

STEViE - Saddened an' pissed off, very pissed off.

I was going to keep out of this but this is fucking sh*t and you know it.
You and some others on this forum are making out that Mitch is some kind of an arsehole and has a hidden agenda which he certainly does not and I should know, Mitch lacks the arsehole gene - one of the reasons I married him!
I for one am getting sick of the snide posts that have been put on lately about MAG and by implication Mitch - you folks got a problem speak to us, I'm fed up with seeing MAG and Mitch slagged off everytime I log in!
Direct talking achieves a helluva lot more than unpleasant posts.
Mitch was as excited about this as Creature was at the beginning but sometimes you have to be realistic even if that means people are let down, and it was not until preparations were underway that certain issues came up such as the length of time it takes to get an entertainment license and all of the other points that Mitch has made quite clear on this thread.
If you think you can organise a big rally in three months with all the necessary licenses, bank accounts, insurance and hundred and one other things by 8th October then please do so, I'm sure noone will stand in your way.
Maybe some of the guys who organise big rallies can offer some advice on how hard it is to set up something like this in a few short months - what about the other options - discussed any?
Noone questions Creature's good heart and his drive and determination to do good by other bikers, we all admire that and I don't want to see him or this do go to sh*t because it hasn't been planned properly. The days of holding rallies in fields without the proper licenses are long gone.
We are all pissed off - what are we going to do about it other than bitch about Mitch............well?

[minxy]

I havent read anything that looks like Mitch getting slagged off. A touch sensitive perhaps?

[thor66]

same old M A G . just give us da money... :cool:

[Mrs Reject]

I havent read anything that looks like Mitch getting slagged off. A touch sensitive perhaps?

Try reading more carefully then :( and don't piss me off, I'm not in a good mood now!!! can do without stupid comments from all and sundry.

[Captain Smurf]

I think Mitch is in the unenviable position of being a MAG rep and therefore seen as MAG spokesman here.

I'm a life member of MAG and support MAG as much as possible. Unfortunately we seem to be putting out the wrong messages. The message was that the Marshalls would be taken care of, if not by insurance, then from the Appeal Fund. The implication was that rallies/gigs weren't required - the appeal fund would suffice, raising cash from posters, online appeals and extra efforts at existing MAG events. Fair enough.

But a contradictory message comes through when MAG talks about gigs specifically set up to raise funds for the Marshall's Appeal. Today I received the agenda for the Eastern Region AGM. It includes mention of a one night fund-raiser for the FYP Marshalls.

I think that the presentation of the message was lacking. A definitive statement early on that MAG would put on a fund-raiser rather than a series of apparent U-turns would have helped.

(All this exercise I'm doing to pass me medical seems to have stimulated my mind - I've never written so many posts in one day)

[100%Pat]

Firstly, lets all just calm down eh, things have been difficult enough today without us all falling out... I'll start banging bloody heads together in a moment!

Mrs R I dont think anyone meant to insinuate that Mitch was to blame for any of this. Dont get all overprotective on us now... :D

Right Creature!!!

My thoughts on this whole bloody caboodle are...
No one has ever said/thought that you couldnt do it, no one has said you wouldnt have made a damn good job of it.
Every one was amazingly impressed by your selfless commitment to such a cause and all so quickly set up.

The sad facts are this....
It would have been a really terrible risk for you to take (yes we all know you were happy to take it) and it could have had catastrophic results for you and your family if it went wrong. No one wanted that!! Think of the effects on your health man!!
No one is slighting you at all. This has all got blown out of proportion.
From what I hear the majority of any events being held are local fundraiser things by Yorkshire MAG or MAG ... they feel the need to take care of their own. They know how everyone feels, hold a disco and donate to the fund, do fundraising stuff, donate to the fund...
This is all getting very silly... take a step back and think everyone... :eek:

[Gypsy]

If you think you can organise a big rally in three months with all the necessary licenses, bank accounts, insurance and hundred and one other things by 8th October then please do so, I'm sure noone will stand in your way.


As posted by myself earlier 99% of it was sorted within a couple of weeks, i have sat with creature face to face and the guy had it sorted with no risk to his pocket

[Mitch]

As posted by myself earlier 99% of it was sorted within a couple of weeks, i have sat with creature face to face and the guy had it sorted with no risk to his pocket

have you got that in writing, with who was going to supply what and for how much? And no risk whatsoever to Creature? Yeah Right, the man's got a heart problem as it is FFS, what sort of friend are you, that you would let Creature do the whole thing himself, putting his life at risk?

All I am going to say on the matter Gypsy, is that if you are so damned confident about the whole thing, why don't you do something then? Instead of leaving it all to Creature?

Because the only impression I got from this was it was me and Creature on our own. Once I realised what (after talking to other far more experienced people who have stayed out of this thread I notice :D ) we would be taking on, that is where I realised my limitations, working full time etc. That is why I backed out.

But no, you wouldn't want to believe that would you?

[Creature]

RIGHT this is deffinately gonna be the last post on this sunbject. After this post i WANT ADMINS to CLOSE this thread and I will not discuss this thread again.

1. I am very sorry now that I posted this morning, I thought what I said would have been a great epitaph to this thread. (I did know some people were upset still about this me as well).

2. No-one least of me blames Mitch, indeed have a grudging respect for him as he had to phone me up and say he couldnt go ahead. Also for correctly putting obsticles in my way - (but I think i surprised him how quick most were sorted :) ). he's just the piggy in the middle. but hopefully Mitch will bring peoples attitudes to mags commititees attension....

3. the risk of putting this event on was there even tho I had covered most risks. Infact I was at the stage were as soon as I had bank number i would need to start selling tickets to have money in the kitty for any expenses that would be incured - in fact at the time taht i stopped this event after oncers & mitch's post all deposits or charges would be wavered untill the event was deffinately on....

4. Oncer posted saying that everybody would be covered, and at the tiem I had no choice but to believe him.Hopefully that will stuill be tru - BUT the problem and anger/upset has come from a thread posted on MAGS national committee's behalf. Saying that " Whilst insurance will cover some losses, others will not be covered and some individuals will be left with substantial losses." Taking all of this into account the NC desires that the marshals relief fund shall have first call on the profits of the FYP2005, to reimburse those volunteers that have suffered losses, at the absolute discretion of the event's Management. this means that the event that we planned to hold may have still been needed especially as it was aimed at them and not the marshals (which seemed to be covered by events by mag). The fact also that MAG are to tag onto other mag events to raise funds is what i suspect has upset people....

5. I hope that a fundraiser NEVER has to be organised to cover any losses for any event be it mag or a club or a buch of indeviduals just trying to raise money for there chosen charity.

6. I am dissapointed in MAGS attitude and manor, but as ive said before not at MITCH's stance in a way I can see weres he's coming from, in fact it must be hard for him as he seems to be taking it all as personal to himself (please don't its not aimed at you !!!!!!!!!!).

7. I don't want to see friends falling out over this - especially if instead of everyone posting on here - we al sat in a room a heated discussion would have ensued an dthen we would have sat down at the bar and carried on with our friendships.....

8. Am I angry yes - but not at Mitch not really at mag (more dissapointed) but I am bloody angry for those why may loose out (as i have said before)

I want to say so much more but I don't know how.... so gonna leave it alone - will everyone do me a big favour and please (in public at least) leave this mater alone. If you ar ea MAG member and not happy then please do as MItch advises turn up to your meetings/AGM's and them make your voice be heard, you never know enough people and it maymake a difference in the future.

Lets not forget those who may loose out or even those who get everything re-imbursed - there the people this is all about..............

Finally to put all this into context just had a phone call whilst writing this, one of my close longterm friends has rushed to London because she was talking to her sister who was on one of the trains and heard the explosion on the phone then it went dead !!!!!!!!!!!!!! now shes stuck there on the street, shes not allowed to move and no-ones allowed in so i cant even nip over and comfort here..............

PLEASE PLEASE RESPECT MY WISHES AND DO NOT POST ANYMORE TO THIS LINK - if you want to discuss it further phone/email or pm me
ADMINS PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD !!!!!!!!!!!