more maladjusted kids

[Doro]

whilst looking for jay's news link I found this.......


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4074478.stm


words fail me

something's got to give in this country, and I fear the worst :(



as an extra comment, what is it about Bishop Aukland? So much wierd sh1t goes on there..............

[iomrob]

all i can say is FFS :mad:

[Jay]

Astounding, did this stuff used to happen?

I grew up in a really nasty area, but all that had was guns, drugs and wifebeating.

Kids used to fight and bullies have always been about but, I don't remember anything like this.

[slob]

I don't see the problem. Seems like a perfectly normal day in GREAT Britain. Not that I am desensitised because of the constant media barrage of assault and deviency. :(

[Mistress Maker]

words fail me ................... what,s going on with kids now,the scary thing is ,if they are capable of comminting such vile acts now what will they be like when they are adults ,and what are their kids going to be like? :(

[slob]

words fail me ................... what,s going on with kids now,the scary thing is ,if they are capable of comminting such vile acts now what will they be like when they are adults ,and what are their kids going to be like? :(


with any luck they will kill their kids or their kids will kill them.

[excalibur]

and what are their kids going to be like?

The same....then they will be locked up in "hotel" for a few years, then released with a new identity and protected by the state for life

[Freak]

This sort of ****e has always gone on since the year dot. It's sadly no better or worse today.

[Spike]

It just get reported more now, as this sh*te sells papers. Still fuggin sick tho :(

[madastoast]

Ian brady and myra hindley were not much more than kids and they must have been practising on animals before they started on kids. That being the case then the sprogs of today, who have no controls put over them due to european directives and molly coddling do gooders,they just jump straight inand start on kids. who's going to do anything you can't give 'em a slap like you could years ago.
(Hovis music on. EEEE when I were a kid me dad would give me a slap if I came home and told him someone had slapped me for gettin' into grief.Hovis music off.)

[Doro]

well I have heard of it before, mary bell et al, but they were mentally unstable, didn't have any adults to teach em right from wrong, ran round like wild animals, but they were very rare cases

however after what happened to the 5 year old in dewsbury last week, it seems to me things are getting worse

and it's the ages of kids involved that scares me...and the fact that it seems to be linked more to bullying than mentally unstable


so, what's new??


hmmmmmmm - video games, DVDs, computers


when we were kids the only way you knew about 'certain stuff' was if you managed to find a copy of 'Mayfair' lying about

now, a few clicks on any PC has hard core porn and violence at their fingertips

seems a logical reason to me

[Freak]

hmmmmmmm - video games, DVDs, computers



I honestly think people (I'm not directing this at you Doro :) ) look at the
past with rose tinted glasses like nothing was ever wrong with the world
There were as many cases of (relative to the population) violent kids/adults/ murders/ peadophiles/ wife beaters/
thieves and conmen in the past.
There wasn't the media coverage that there is today and villages/towns tended to deal with cases 'inhouse'.
Opium dependancy was rife (Many folk grew there own poppies) alcoholisum rape and incest were common place.
The difference in the past was it wasn't talked about and rarely became the subject of the nations attention.

Poverty was to blamed for failings in the past
Today it's video games, DVDs, computers

Unfortunatly the world's never gonna be full of nice people (except the 100% forum world of course :D )

[Santa]

Whilst I fully agree with Freak, there is also a complete lack of parental control nowadays. This seems to be partly because parents seem to think it's someone elses job to teach discipline and how to behave and partly because the do - gooders interfere too much in the way kids are brought up! (Hovis music again) When I wer'a lad we were only allowed to play were we could be seen by parents, so even though we weren't watched constantly you never knew when someone might be looking, so mostly you paused for thought before doing anything you knew you shouldn't. There were also those annoying old biddies with nothing else to do but look out their windows and tell your parents if you got out of line! Cops and teachers could cuff you for misbehaving, and you'd get another hiding from your dad when he found out - all good checks and balances (Hovis music off). Grounding kids or confining them to their room is merely an inconvenience (often for parents as well), it doesn't hurt! A FEW (capitals deliberate) sharp slaps when kids are young - but old enough to relate their actions to the consequences - are usually enough so that as they get older the mere threat of a slap is enough to keep them in line. Quite a few of us on here are of sufficient age that we experienced this sort of discipline as kids, and I'm sure will agree that it did us no lasting harm and made better peeps of us.

[Doro]

I hear what you're saying Freak, and if you look at my previous postings on the subject you'll notice I said exactly those things, now maybe it's just me - but I do feel like it's escalating, and yeah there was always the sexual element, mainly cos such kids were abused, but I think certain material can 'turn' an impressionable mind, ie it can turn good kids bad.

I believe everyone has a dark side, and it's a thin line in some people which prevents the sinister side from becoming dominant, some people try to keep it at bay all their lives, but if you push a very young child over the edge, well, I believe this is the consequence

I was shocked to see some of the stuff my eldest used to look at on the PC and some of the games he used to get :eek:

obviously he was strictly censored until he hit 16 or so (probably 14 in reality cos he used to look at stuff on his mates' PCs)

but I reckon a lot of kids as young as 5 or 6 are being needlessly corrupted

Mary Bell was corrupted by her mother (who was a prostitute and used to let men use her daughter from a very young age - remember she was 10 when she killed) - so who's to say she would still have killed if she'd been brought up differently?

I believe that most psycho killers (and the like) are made that way due to their childhood (not always their parents, sometimes other influences too) yes some are born bad, but Mary Bell is 'better' now, she killed as the result of a cr@p upbringing, many more people could be 'saved' from a violent future with proper infant care

I did read somewhere that the first 6 years of your life are what matter when it comes to personality development, and the pre-teenage years (8-13) are when most guidance and supervision is required

[Doro]

I agree what you say about communities santa

but don't get me started on smacking kids :eek:


with 3 kids each of mine were punished according to their personalities

no.1 child loves money so his pocket money used to be stopped
no. 2 child loved playing out with her friends so she got grounded
no. 3 child just needs to know you're disappointed with him, if I told him he'd been naughty and I wasn't happy, he'd be mortified and behaved in seconds, [mind you, he was never really naughty or disobediant anyway, the first 2 had his share of that I think]. Now he's 14 I just have to say I'll confiscate his playstation and he's on his best behaviour instantly.

It does help if your kids know you mean it when you punish them :)

[slob]

i don't lose my temper ... ever .. largely because I am scared about what might happen. I have a sadistic side the same as anyone. I love watching people getting hurt (not toture or abuse) through silly antics etc. you only have to look at the popularity of Ebaums.com, bigboys.com and a plethora of amusing clips sites to see the human race is the same.


gladiatorial events, boxing , wrestling, UFC, beadles about, you've been framed , jackass dirty sanchez etc etc etc most of us know our limits but the youth of today are brought up in a harder, faster, harsher, funnier, more exposure, less anonmymity. Credit cards, debt, gadgets, consoles, pc's internet more more more quicker quicker quicker

no one is to blame but for a frustrated teenager it is very easy to vent and for other people to see it.

what we need is deterrants and I have said it before but I reckon the stocks and a bit of birching desn't go amiss. :D

[dracken1]

tis the world in which we live.

i despise programs such as "big brother" the house, boot camp etc.

think about what they are about.

firstly you are all expected to work and get on together, perform various tasks and so forth.

then you have to get rid of someone.
ffs it's bloody mental.

this little tight bunch now have to decide who is to go.

now thats an excellent example of loyalty.
and whats even mor sad is that millions of people will watch such utter ****e. :mad:

[bear]

Ian brady and myra hindley were not much more than kids and they must have been practising on animals before they started on kids. That being the case then the sprogs of today, who have no controls put over them due to european directives and molly coddling do gooders,they just jump straight inand start on kids. who's going to do anything you can't give 'em a slap like you could years ago.
(Hovis music on. EEEE when I were a kid me dad would give me a slap if I came home and told him someone had slapped me for gettin' into grief.Hovis music off.)
the thing is of course to ignore the euro bollox and if you see brats missbehaving give em a clout round the ear. if they get stroppy after that beat them soundly with a big stick (ok that was tounge in cheek but you get the drift).
if parents instilled discipline into their offspring like it was when i was a nipper, then half of the annoying little thugs would be petrifeid to back chat an adult let alone do some of the things they do now (anyone see that story in the papers about the 5 year old that some kids tried to hang!).the parents of the one the police reckon is the ringleader refuse to believe their child is responsible (a clear case of "my child would never do such a thing he/she is an angel) it seems to me if parents would stop believeing little johnny/or jane can do no wrong and punish the brats properly for any missdemeaner (none of this your grounded or no playstation for a week nonsense either) then the world would be a better place. children have to know there are boundries and dire punishments await if they cross em. just think on if the brat missbehaves and goes unpunished (by parent or court) then they will go on to commit other crimes and eventually be trying to steal my bike (which of course would not be a recommended passtime, theyd only try it once mind. lol).

[Dougie]

My tuppence worth....kids these days,and I include everyone from age 4 or 5 up to 19 or 20,have absolutely no respect whatsoever for anyone or anyones' property.Today,coming home on the bus after an unpleasant working day,I got verbal abuse from a bunch of kids not much older than 13.There was absolutely nothing I could do except sit there and fume.The bus driver could do nothing about it either.You say one word back to the little darlings and some liberal do-gooder will have you reported to the police for child abuse.
Jeez,when I was a kid I was too bloody scared of a thick ear or a kicked arse to say anything to an adult.Things have got to change before fed up folks take the law into their own hands,although you couldn't really blame them.

[ForestFred]

My tuppence worth....kids these days,and I include everyone from age 4 or 5 up to 19 or 20,have absolutely no respect whatsoever for anyone or anyones' property.Today,coming home on the bus after an unpleasant working day,I got verbal abuse from a bunch of kids not much older than 13.There was absolutely nothing I could do except sit there and fume.The bus driver could do nothing about it either.You say one word back to the little darlings and some liberal do-gooder will have you reported to the police for child abuse.
Jeez,when I was a kid I was too bloody scared of a thick ear or a kicked arse to say anything to an adult.Things have got to change before fed up folks take the law into their own hands,although you couldn't really blame them.
No sorry Dougie what you should have done was ask the driver to slow down grab the little bastards by the ears an throw em of the bus fuck the do gooders fuck the law an fuck the justice system coz it dont fucking work. beat the little ****s til they bleed.

[Dougie]

No sorry Dougie what you should have done was ask the driver to slow down grab the little bastards by the ears an throw em of the bus fuck the do gooders fuck the law an fuck the justice system coz it dont fucking work. beat the little ****s til they bleed.
Sounds like a plan,but the idea of sharing a cell in HMP Saughton with a wee junkie ned from Craigmillar does NOT appeal to me! :mad:

[bear]

im a firm believer in a slap around the chops from an adult usually does the trick. the liberal do-gooders have got it wrong (at least where children are concerned) one on one, children can be intimidated by an adult presence into decent behaiviour. the gangs of mealy mouthed brats that are frequently reported on tv ect however, need a different approach. FEAR is the thing if they terrified of the consequenses of their actions they will come into line quickly. all this i will report you to the police nonsense, needs knockin on the head. punch the crap out of em and leave. the old bill aint gonna have much luck in proving anything (doubt for the most part it would even get that far)
if there are loads of em go find yer mates and go find the little sh**s and deal with em the way we would have been dealt with (ie a sound kicking) no more problem. and as for the real young uns well sort the parents out instead!!!.

[Doro]

kids only behave like that when there's a large group of them, maybe they should stop kids from travelling or hanging around in groups of more than 3

[slob]

mate of mine is armed response police and their take on the young armed 'bad boys' is to take them doen hard, shove a gun up their nose and watch them piss themselves! he laughs about it because " they are just scared kids when it comes down to it" .

Although he says it is always hard when they have to tell the parents what's going on ... some of them have no idea and think that little johnny or faquisha are actually working in the evenings not selling crack and shooting at people. :(