What do you think?

[Pollypooface]

This came in today, we get all kinds of complaints from 'sports' bike riders about the way we slag them off in the magazine for their stupid behaviour etc do they have any idea of the mayhem they are causing us all? I also blame the 'mainstream' motorcycle press for this too, they actively encourage idiot riding! Eveyone rides a bike for the buzz that it gives, and everyone opens it up sometimes but we ahve to realise we are playing into the hands of just the folk we dont want after us.
I do take umbrance at the reference to 'biker gangs' etc again we are all being tarred with the same brush. These folk obviously think anyone on a bike is a backpatch wearer, even if you couldnt find a plain piece of leather to put one on amongst all that dayglo orange and lime green bollocks!
What do you lot think?

Dear Editor,

We write to express our concern over a growing threat to one of Britain’s
most precious national treasures, the North York Moors National Park. This
is a site of extraordinary natural beauty, environmental significance and
historical importance, rich in the relics of past generations, from
drovers’ roads and ancient castles to the world-famous ruins of Rievaulx
Abbey. Damage to this precious park is not merely a matter of concern to
local residents. It is a loss to the nation as a whole.

Today, the safety, beauty and peace of the Park is being destroyed by a
comparatively new phenomenon: large numbers of speeding bikers, often
riding in packs, many of whom travel from great distances to use the roads
across the park as a lethal race track, racing at reported speeds of up to
180 miles an hour.

Visitors from all over Britain come to the Park. Not only is their
enjoyment of its peace and beauty being undermined, but they themselves are
being put at risk. Lethal crashes and serious accidents have become
commonplace. Death and injury to the bikers themselves is unavoidable, but,
tragically, innocent drivers and pedestrians (both residents and visitors)
can be victims of this criminal madness.

Environmental damage is also unavoidable, with a real threat to wildlife
habitats. Deer and other animals crossing the Park road, for example, are
constantly at hazard, while noise pollution has become a significant factor
in the Park, with a high proportion of the motorbikes illegally modified to
maximise engine roar. For the local community there is also an economic
price to pay, as visitors, shaken by the sheer number and speed of the bike
gangs leave, never to return

Last year an action group, Bilsdale Against Noise and Danger (BAND), was
formed to address these pressing issues on perhaps the most significant
road in the park, the B1257, running from Helmsley to Stokesley. While BAND
is not against bikers, it is strongly against those who use this road as a
lethal racetrack. The dangers and environmental damage caused by bikers are
also seriously compounded by the growing number of heavy commercial
vehicles who have identified the road across the national park as a
shortcut to and from the North.

We would like to record our support for this community campaign, and call
on the authorities to act now as a matter of urgency to meet BAND’s five
principal demands. These are:

1) To reduce the speed limit to a maximum of 50 mph on all roads within the
North Yorkshire Moors National Park

2) To seek a significant enhancement of traffic police presence and road
safety enforcement on the B1257

3) To seek the introduction of speed cameras on the B1257

4) To seek police action against illegal noise pollution by motorbikes
within the North Yorkshire Moors National Park

5) To reduce the volume of Heavy Commercial Vehicles transiting the Park

Yours,
1. Full list of the signatories:

1. Richard Allan MP
Brake Party Group on Road Safety and Liberal Democrat Member of Parliament
for Yorkshire and the Humber
2. David Andrews
Chief Executive of the Yorkshire Tourist Board
3. Peter Beaumont
Gold Cup winning racehorse trainer
4. Jack Berry MBE
Former leading northern racehorse trainer
5. Brian Blessed
Actor, adventurer and President of the Council for National Parks
6. David Bowe MEP
MEP for Yorkshire and the Humber
7. Mr and Mrs Geoffrey Boycott OBE
Former Yorkshire and England cricket player and commentator
8. Arthur Butterworth MBE
British composer
9. Dame Antonia (A.S.) Byatt DBE
Yorkshire born, internationally acclaimed novelist, short-story writer and
critic
10. Robin Compton
Former High Sheriff of North Yorkshire, former President of the North of
England Horticultural and Yorkshire Agricultural Society
11. Richard Corbett MEP
MEP for Yorkshire and the Humber
12. Ian Curteis
TV playwright and Director (Churchill and the Generals, Suez 1956, The
Falklands Play). Ripon resident
13. Rt Hon the Lord Peter Feversham
Landowner, former President of the National Association of Local Councils
and a writer
14. James (Jimmy) FitzGerald
Racehorse trainer and member of the National Trainers Federation
15. Steve Gibson
Chairman of the Middlesbrough Football Club
16. Sir Ben Gill
Recent President of the NFU and president of the Confederation of European
Agriculture
17. Sir David Goodall
Former British High Commissioner to India and artist (author of "Ryedale
Pilgrimage")
18. John Greenway MP
MP for Ryedale
19. Rt Rev. Ambrose Griffiths
Recent Bishop of Hexham and Newcastle
20. Rt Hon William Hague MP
MP for Richmond in Yorkshire
21. Sir Bernard Ingham
Former Chief Press Secretary to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher
22. Alice Mahon MP
MP for Halifax, Treasurer of the UK All-Parliamentary Human Rights Group
and Brake All Party Group on road safety
23. Edward McMillan-Scott MEP
MEP for Yorkshire and Lincolnshire
24. Professor David Moody
Former lecturer at the University of York and a Fellow of the English
Association
25. Cllr Christopher Parkin
District councillor for Helmsley and appointed representative on several
'outside bodies' including the Yorkshire Tourist Board and the North
Yorkshire Moors
26. Cllr Bob Pendlebury OBE
President of the Ramblers Association for North Yorkshire and the South
Durham area, chairman of the Northumbria Tourist Board and a cabinet member
for environmental sustainability and member of the Highways Committee
27. Cllr Michael Richardson
Conservative councillor for Stokesley
28. Lord (Brian) Rix
Actor and President of MENCAP
29. Patrick Stewart OBE
Actor and Director (Star Trek etc) and recently appointed Chancellor of
Huddersfield University. Born in Yorkshire
30. Janet Street-Porter
Journalist, broadcaster and Vice-President of the Ramblers Association
31. Alan Titchmarsh MBE
Yorkshire born, the UK’s most well-known gardener and a Fellow of the
Institute of Horticulture
32. Fred Trueman
Former Yorkshire and England cricket player
33. Zoe Wanamaker CBE
Actress, starred as Madam Hooch in Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone
set in North Yorkshire
34. Rev Canon Glyn Webster
Acting Dean of York Minster
35. Cllr Richard Murray Wells
Ward member for Helmsley (alongside Chris Parkin)
36. Rt Rev Timothy Wright MA
Abbot of Ampleforth

[womble]

I can see where you are coming from

but can you tell me what you have got against back patch wearers as a whole.

by that comment you are doing the same as the people in that press clipping.

[Pollypooface]

It's me.... Pat! You misunderstood my comments , I was merely trying to say that when the writers of the letter mention 'Biker Gangs' they are looking at us all as back patch wearers and not looking at the different types of bikers and that its dayglo bollock rocket riders that cause the trouble with speeding etc not ' lifestyle' bikers.

[Choprocker]

Lol @ womble

right me thinks a go slow is in order through said poxy road/community by a considerable number of bikers, and i mean a go slow and hopefully a few of them tossers on that list will be behind.
Did you notice the names, posh wa*kers, mps etc no 1 without letters next to there name like the normal working class man/woman, lol. bet they dont knock on doors just send e-mails out to get replies.
And anuvver thing that patrick stewart geezer use to fly the enterprise at abissmal speeds, i bet he did not have a thought for the residents of the solar system he has never been before. i can picture this kling-on traffic cop (on other thoughts prob would have been a romulan, kling-ons would have been bikers,lol) chasing the enterprise to tell him he 3 mph over the warp7 speed limit.And his first question wouldhave been???????? Is this your vehiclesir? lol
I await the revolution.

[wegit]

These people need to get a life:

1. Richard Allan MP
2. David Andrews
3. Peter Beaumont
4. Jack Berry MBE
5. Brian Blessed
6. David Bowe MEP
7. Mr and Mrs Geoffrey Boycott OBE
8. Arthur Butterworth MBE
9. Dame Antonia (A.S.) Byatt DBE
10. Robin Compton
11. Richard Corbett MEP
12. Ian Curteis
13. Rt Hon the Lord Peter Feversham
14. James (Jimmy) FitzGerald
15. Steve Gibson
16. Sir Ben Gill
17. Sir David Goodall
18. John Greenway MP
19. Rt Rev. Ambrose Griffiths
20. Rt Hon William Hague MP
21. Sir Bernard Ingham
22. Alice Mahon MP
23. Edward McMillan-Scott MEP
24. Professor David Moody
25. Cllr Christopher Parkin
26. Cllr Bob Pendlebury OBE
27. Cllr Michael Richardson
28. Lord (Brian) Rix
29. Patrick Stewart OBE
30. Janet Street-Porter
31. Alan Titchmarsh MBE
32. Fred Trueman
33. Zoe Wanamaker CBE
34. Rev Canon Glyn Webster
35. Cllr Richard Murray Wells
36. Rt Rev Timothy Wright MA

I'd be more interested to read about how these councillors make their money, and not their views on bikers. I think that would raise more eye-brows.

They go on about how we should run our lives and they are amongst the most corrupt people on the planet.

---- - em all !!! That's my opinion

[Pollypooface]

I've actually spoken to some folk who live/work in the area concerned and it seems they do have a bit of a valid case, though I dont agree with the wording of the letter or the way they choose to get their point across, their point is that bollock rocket idiots are screaming through tiny little villages and along country roads causing mayhem, accidents and killing themselves and innocent bystanders even.
It's my point that its the dayglow brigade causing trouble for all the rest of us yet again! The trouble is the 'straights' cannot differentiate between bikers and bollock rockets, they see us all as the trouble makers, and while we all like to 'have a go' on a good road, causing needless accidents and **** for the public will get us knowhere.
What do you think of the likes of 'other' publications in the mainstream biker press who advocate 'idiot' riding? Are they to be held partly responsible for the upsurge of biker deaths in the 'sports' bike market?
Are we really all bikers together? Is there a 'them n us' situation and is that a good thing/ Should we all be trying to disassociate ourselves from the 'speed' brigate to try and save ourselves from this unwarrented trouble?

Thoughts please...

[Pollypooface]

top.... is it too early for intelligent comment?

[UKRobKLR650]

Mmmmmmmmm! Just what i like to see, the slagging off of other bikers cause they dont fit in a certain genre so to speak. Ever heard the term United we stand divided we fall? Ive had sports bikes, big trailies, streetfighters, all sorts. I just love motorbikes but what i hate about motorbikes is the fact that the back patch lot think theyre so bloody righteous, the sports bike riders think theyre so cool blah blah blah and its this segregation thats destroying biking. At the end of the day a twat is a ***** dont matter if he's on a chopper in black leathers or on a sports bike with bright colours but lumping them all together as twats cause of one or 2 is bloody daft and suicidal for biking. As i said before, United we stand, Divided we fall. :rolleyes:

[Sheltie]

top.... is it too early for intelligent comment?

Yes, I haven't had a drink yet and neither have the rest of them

[Scottie]

Sounds like a load of old twaddle to me. They lost me at 180mph!!! bollocks and since when did dead and dying bikers kill lots of innocent bystanders (statistically VERY rarely!). No sounds like they are blowing it up as usual to try and turn folk against bikers just because they are not capable of catching one or two usueless arses who insist on blasting round the countryside like prats.

What you ned is a couple of Park warden with shotguns to cull the twats so the rest of us can still enjoy ourselves.

This is of course a personal view and in no way represents the views of any motorcycle porganisation with which the author may or may not be associated.

[Scottie]

top.... is it too early for intelligent comment?

I'd 'ave said most definately my dear

[BigBod]

I'd never considered the Goldwing Club as a biker gang before!!! :D

We've had many a club run in that neck of the woods and very nice it is too. Didn't quite get to a ton 80, the sidecar started to bounce a bit.... :rolleyes:

Some kind of demo might be in order, I like to idea of a go slow for a weekend, just pootle up and down the road at 20mph all weekend.

There are wanker riders in all groups of the biking fraternity and perhaps it is not fair to pick on just one type of rider. I'm just as guilty of speeding in that area as any other type of bike.

As for the people that signed it, just a bunch of NIMBY's

Are you going to publish the letter in the mag Pat??

[Scottie]

..........
Some kind of demo might be in order, I like to idea of a go slow for a weekend, just pootle up and down the road at 20mph all weekend.
Now there's an idea. If it would show willing to the locals and not be seen as, in any way, anti Biker (including Sportsbikes) that would be most excellent. I dare say if you got the support of the local MAG group they could even help organise it. Get the Bill involved too.

There are wanker riders in all groups of the biking fraternity and perhaps it is not fair to pick on just one type of rider. I'm just as guilty of speeding in that area as any other type of bike.
Oh how right you are but not withstanding my earlier comments don't confuse politically incorrect speeding with dangerous or even inconciderate riding/driving they are VERY different.

As for the people that signed it, just a bunch of NIMBY's
Rather looks that way innit.

Are you going to publish the letter in the mag Pat??
I hope not. It doesn't deserve to be published if only for the bullsh!t 180mph bit.

Ride safe
Scottie

[Pollypooface]

I feel quite divided on this issue that's why I asked for comments really.
As I said before I've spoken to bikers up in that area (yesterday) and even they are pissed off about what is happening on the roads there, they say its really dangerous at weekends for everyone. So if even our own are unhappy can you blame the non bikers for taking this kind of action? The letter may well be badly worded and over the top in parts but it is obvious that there is a major problem there.
I really wanted to start a debate on the subject to get as many folks opinions as possible, I dont like the 'them & us' situation and part of me does believe that as Rob says we are 'all bikers together' but .... and its a big but! What if an element of 'us' is causing such mayhem for the rest of 'us' should that rule still apply. By all accounts there are a lot of bollock rockets going up there at weekends and behaving like complete wankers! In the present 'climate' do we need this s h i t ?
There is also the point I made about mainstream press pushing the 'knee down, take it to the limit' type of riding and going a long way to getting us all legislated off the damn roads if we are not careful.
So, as I said I cant make up my mind. :eek:

[Choprocker]

oy Scottie,the go slow was my idea so dont give the credit to bigbod! lol.

[UKRobKLR650]

Its a bit of a **** really. I mean i read quite a few Mags and some of them are ok but theyre all bloody fickle. One minute its scrape yer knee on the floor (only did it once, in jeans, bike resting on it at 80, 36 stitches, smashed joint, didnt strike me as fun :D ) etc etc, next minute its be careful and safe and use standard pipes etc. You only need the anti bike lobby to pick up these mags and use em as evidence and were buggered. Saying that, it shouldnt matter what a mag says but there are a lot of bloody sheep out there willing to take them as gospel and most people know thats gonna happen. Its like everything else though, it becomes popular its gonna attract dickheads, no matter what style of bike or dress code. Oh, just think on the bright side. When the goverment have finished buggering up all our fun and all the dickheads have gone on to summat else all the prices well crash on spares etc. :D Anyway, if i wanted to be normal and not disliked a bit then i'd go and have 2.4 kids, get a mondeo estate and a caravan and be a schmoo. I like the fact that were still seen as a bit of rough :D

[womble]

Sorry pat i mis read the first post

I stand corrected

i have not slept much off late due to crappy toothache so the old brain is a little frazeled.

rob i am a back patch wearer & i am about as rightiuos as everyone else on here lol.

I do not & have never thought myself a better man or biker than anyone else I have ridden all sorts of bikes myself too.

It is not what you ride or what you wear that makes you more or less a biker than anyone else it is the FACT that we ride whenever we can.

The twats that are screaming through the villages are more than likely only ever out on their bikes when the sun is shinning

strange the weather has been rather nice of late & all of a sudden i am hearing stories of speeding motorcycles ridden by power rangers

[UKRobKLR650]

Sorry pat i mis read the first post

I stand corrected

i have not slept much off late due to crappy toothache so the old brain is a little frazeled.

rob i am a back patch wearer & i am about as rightiuos as everyone else on here lol.

I do not & have never thought myself a better man or biker than anyone else I have ridden all sorts of bikes myself too.

It is not what you ride or what you wear that makes you more or less a biker than anyone else it is the FACT that we ride whenever we can.

The twats that are screaming through the villages are more than likely only ever out on their bikes when the sun is shinning

strange the weather has been rather nice of late & all of a sudden i am hearing stories of speeding motorcycles ridden by power rangers
Yep, just what i said :D Basically if we get rid of this inverted bloody snobbery in biking nowadays and all unite then all the better. Until that day we wont get bugger all fixed. It would help if BMF and MAG thought a bit more about their image i suppose. Maybe they should embrace sports bikes, trail bike, streetfighters, tourers, choppers etc but they seem to both have ended up with a set image. I dunno if that was meant but you always associate MAG with the Back patch (nothing wrong with back patch wearers) chopper etc brigade and BMF has ended up with the middle of the road, respectable middle age tag. Maybe if they just worked for bikers and tried to get rid of these tags theyve got maybe that would help. Ive turned up at Rallies on all sorts of bikes from sports bikes to streetfighters etc and apart from the streetfighters ive rode ive always been sneered at, especially in my old Skinhead days cause i aint a proper biker see. I now ride a big trailie and to be honest i aint been to a bike rally for ages cause of this inverted snob attitude from some people. I'd love to go to some more rallies but i just hate snobbery. As i said before, United we stand, Divided we fall. Lets all get together on this one.

[Pollypooface]

Rob, I again agree with you about the Joe Average thinking of us as 'rough' bit, gets you to the bar quicker and can clear a path in seconds! LOL
One main reason I hear all the time for folk moaning and being anti 'bollock rocket' type bikers is the insurance issue, they buy a bike as a weekend toy, go off to Wales or Yorkshire etc to play and either kill themselves or someone else, which pushes up the statistics, which plays into the insurance companies/safety bods/police hands very well. It also appears that they don't value the bike as a bike as we do, they are not as security concious as day to day bikers, so more of them get their bikes stolen but just write it off as an insurance claim, to them its just an expensive toy, which is easily replaced, next year it'll be a new Audi or BMW . :p

[UKRobKLR650]

Rob, I again agree with you about the Joe Average thinking of us as 'rough' bit, gets you to the bar quicker and can clear a path in seconds! LOL
:p
Funny that cause when im not on me bike i dress in trendy clothes, my fave at the moment is Lacoste and Diesel stuff. I usually find just being 6 foot 6 with a shaved head and tattoos gets me to the bar quicker :D Its not good though, the quicker you get to the bar the more likely you are to end up paying for the round :D
Anyway, gonna go out on me bike today, do i wear my bright orange, white and black race leathers with my Arai Quantum, My combats and Doc Martens or my MX boots and MX helmet. How do i want people to judge me today? :D

[womble]

United we stand you got that right

i will stand shoulder to shoulder along side anyone regardless of thier choice of bike.

but as pat said it is the people that buy a bike as a toy & that is all it is to the people i am talking about.

if because of the stupidty of a few morons bikes was outlawed they would not care they would just go back to thier cars & say oh well it was fun for a little while.

Where would that leave US


Would you still be sitting there saying that Womble bloke is a snob because he does not like the idea of a few weekend warriors trying to amke them selves look cool in front of thier mates g/f's are making life even more difficult for the rest of the bikers out there.

Rob if that makes me a snob then i am guilty as sin

But when these people have got bored or the cold nasty winter comes back I still want to be able to ride my bike

I had it taken from me once ( 4 yrs without a bike ) & don't know how many years i have left before i can no longer ride & i am fecked if i am going to give up my bike because some twat thinks he is mr cool every weekend gets all bikes banned from the roads

[UKRobKLR650]

United we stand you got that right

i will stand shoulder to shoulder along side anyone regardless of thier choice of bike.

but as pat said it is the people that buy a bike as a toy & that is all it is to the people i am talking about.

if because of the stupidty of a few morons bikes was outlawed they would not care they would just go back to thier cars & say oh well it was fun for a little while.

Where would that leave US


Would you still be sitting there saying that Womble bloke is a snob because he does not like the idea of a few weekend warriors trying to amke them selves look cool in front of thier mates g/f's are making life even more difficult for the rest of the bikers out there.

Rob if that makes me a snob then i am guilty as sin

But when these people have got bored or the cold nasty winter comes back I still want to be able to ride my bike

I had it taken from me once ( 4 yrs without a bike ) & don't know how many years i have left before i can no longer ride & i am fecked if i am going to give up my bike because some twat thinks he is mr cool every weekend gets all bikes banned from the roads
I agree with that whole heartedly Womble, no argument there at all. All i was getting at is you cant judge a person by what they wear or what bike they ride. Judge, book and cover springs to mind and we all know how that feels. Oh, i never called you a snob, i asked where all this inverted snobbery was coming from. :D

[womble]

it was just you quoted from 2 of my postings & said the same thing about snobbery.
hey rob i can take a bit of name calling im very thick skinned lol

it seems we was going round in circles there for a while both thinking the same sort of thing but from different angles.

Shame you dont do rallies anymore i think we would get on well over a pint or three.

[UKRobKLR650]

Well i may do a couple of rallies this year, see how funds go etc. Its your round :D

[womble]

The Celtic Warriors will be putting a rally on at the beggining of september come down to that & i will buy you a few pints no probs

[triker_gal]

Ah G'wan Rob, your not far from there, go have a beer and enjoy ;)

[Pollypooface]

Is that 'official' then ? We have all been waiting with baited breath to find out if you lot are doing a 'second' event this year!!! ;)

[UKRobKLR650]

Celtics sounds like a good idea. Was thinking of maybe the Farmyard to. Now where did i put that leather waistcoat and me false beard so people greet me with open arms ;) :D

[Pollypooface]

Just get your knob out mate... it usually breaks the ice quite nicely, but if its as small as I've heard at least it'll give us all a gigle anyway :p

[Braces]

hya pat! As far as im concerned there is only one group to blame for these weekend, i`ve also got a Merc, audi that mummy bought for me bregade, :cool:
which are the bloody greed of the motorcycle manufacturers. Yes these machines are beautiful to look at and are great fun to ride, but why the hell do we need machines that can do 180 mph plus on our roads when the max speed is 70, yes we all do more that me incuded. It`s like giveing a baby an ak47 rifle, these bike should be kept on the race track where they belong.
Before we know it the eurocrats will once again try to impose power limits on bikes if these idiots can`t restrain themselves. perhaps they could all be given 125 race replicas if they want to pose. :rolleyes: ahh fell better now. i`ll get me coat.

[UKRobKLR650]

Just get your knob out mate... it usually breaks the ice quite nicely, but if its as small as I've heard at least it'll give us all a gigle anyway :p
Look, im tellin ya 12 inches looks bloody small on a 6 foot 6 bloke.
Pity ive got way less than 12 inches. :D

[Mrs Reject]

I want to be in a righteous outlaw biker gang like BigBod :D, however because I am a middle aged woman I will have to settle for posing on my new custom GT750 at slow speeds round the coast terrorising groups of pensioners. Seriously, I like to go out for a fast blatt now and again but not stupid speeds and not screaming round roundabouts with the handlebars half an inch from the ground!!!
Bloody crotch rocket riders do give us all a bad name and need to get their arses kicked, for a start they never acknowledge other knights and ladies of the road - one even gave me the finger once!!!!
Then they spend weekends around Eastbourne racing up and down the bypass and country lanes at terrifying speeds with no consideration for anyone else, once I was riding home at 60 mph over the coast road at Beachy head and a whole load of them roared past overtaking me on my left and right hand sides nearly having me off the road and giving me the fright of my life.
Another time two of them rode past at terrifying speed overtaking everything in sight on a country road, round blind bends AND with a flippin' kid of about 8 on the back of one of them - I almost self combusted!!!
Several have been killed around Eastbourne, one in particular a friend of a friend just came out of hospital having recovered from breaking his legs from stupid weekend riding, went out again for a mad ride, took the bend too fast, crashed into a fence, both his feet were amputated by said fence and he slowly bled to death whilst waiting for the ambulance.
They give all of us a bad name and piss me off with their attitude.

[UKRobKLR650]

Ive had Crotch rockets, may have another one, building a streetfighter from one, been chased by the police for 7 miles at 150 plus and all the copper did was compliment me and my mate on our safe but fast riding. But i need me arse kicking do i? All people who ride so called Crotch rockets are a menace huh? Are all Blacks Drug Dealers? Are all Harley riders Hells Angels? Oh for fookin ells sake, sorry for havin a laugh. Thank god im not a bloody biker, i mean i ride me bike all year, got the scars, got the arthritis, lost good mates but im not a fookin biker cause i choose to ride a bike that goes fast and is nice colours etc. Ha, i love the narrow minded attitude of some people, and its people like this that are just as responsible as the bloody MP's cause they so bloody blinkered. :rolleyes:

[Pollypooface]

Rob, I dont think anyone was talking personally about you, just saying that of all the different biker types (and we have our different ones just like any community) it seems that the bollock rocket racers have a larger majority of assholes than any other. :eek:

[UKRobKLR650]

I know theyre not talkin personally Polly and im not taking it as such i just cant understand some peoples hypocricy thats all. I mean on one hand theyre saying all sports bikes riders are a pain lets lump em all together, the next minute theyre saying its wrong to lump all people together. Im sorry but it just dont work. Im not mad or angry im more bemused by the hypocricy and double standards of some people. :D

[Scottie]

.......... chased by the police for 7 miles at 150 plus and all the copper did was compliment me and my mate on our safe but fast riding. But i need me arse kicking do i? All people who ride so called Crotch rockets are a menace huh? Are all Blacks Drug Dealers? Are all Harley riders Hells Angels? Oh for fookin ells sake, sorry for havin a laugh. Thank god im not a bloody biker, i mean i ride me bike all year, got the scars, got the arthritis, lost good mates but im not a fookin biker cause i choose to ride a bike that goes fast and is nice colours etc. Ha, i love the narrow minded attitude of some people, and its people like this that are just as responsible as the bloody MP's cause they so bloody blinkered. :rolleyes:

Reading through this thread I was starting to formulate a reasoned response until I came to the above. So you were doing 150mph on an A road and the copper told you what a fuc*ing great rider you were eh? I think I'll leave it there M8.

As for MAG well the reason MAG is not more effective is because everyone knows what they SHOULD be doing but nobody joins!! Rob of course is a life member!

Choprockers idea for a slow ride is an excellent way to demonstrate that the VAST majority of Bikers are not impressed by pratts tearing round like coconuts (begins with c ends with t, is roundish and hairy).

I like to ride fast, sometimes I like to ride VERY fast. I like to ride on the track sometimes too but don't blame the manufacturers any more than you can blames the press they are only catering for demand. It's about time WE started taking some responsibility and making the views of the majority known. At the very least its about time we joined a lobby group. HINT BL00DY HINT!

[UKRobKLR650]

Shock horror Scottie, i chose to ride at 150 mph :rolleyes: My god, you really are on a higher plain arent you, how well i ever hope to measure up to your standards. As far as Mag, nope im not a life long member, im also not knocking it all i was saying is that some people percieve Mag and BMF as 2 totally different things because of image, maybe they could work on image, try working together etc. Ah, maybe as im not a memeber i shouldnt have an opinion, sorry about that, how dare i, infact how dare i have a difference of opinion at all :rolleyes:

[Blue]

... it seems that the bollock rocket racers have a larger majority of assholes than any other. :eek:


Then they are to be pitied and recommended to a good reconstructive surgeon who specialises in proctology. :D

[Scottie]

At least we agree on something then. lol

[Smudge]

The law does not see bikers as custom bike riders or sport bike riders or trial bikers if we are on two wheels we are all tared with the same brush. Same old story the minority spoiling for the majority. Anyway sombody should tell them that a lorry will do more damage to the Deer than a bike

[Mrs Reject]

I know theyre not talkin personally Polly and im not taking it as such i just cant understand some peoples hypocricy thats all. I mean on one hand theyre saying all sports bikes riders are a pain lets lump em all together, the next minute theyre saying its wrong to lump all people together. Im sorry but it just dont work. Im not mad or angry im more bemused by the hypocricy and double standards of some people. :D

Can't talk for the whole country but there do seem to be a large majority of tossers down these parts!!!
You tend to get a bit intolerant after you've been nearly run off t'road by fellow bikers on numerous occasions.
Anyhow - us Welsh have to stick together so don't get the arse:D

[W@nkel]

all i was saying is that some people percieve Mag and BMF as 2 totally different things because of image, maybe they could work on image, try working together etc.
MAG have a section called MAG-Sport by which they have tried, not very successfully, to get the message across to sportsbike riders that MAG is not JUST for Hairy arsed hardtail riders.
I recall a few years ago MAG did approach the BMF to see if they would be interested in joining forces but if i remember rightly the BMF were only interested in swallowing up MAG to increase their membership.
Re: your earlier posting, 'MAG is generally perceived as being just for Back Patch clubs' (or something to that effect), true but have a look at MAGs Farmyard Party advertisments... 'No Colours to be worn'.

[UKRobKLR650]

MAG have a section called MAG-Sport by which they have tried, not very successfully, to get the message across to sportsbike riders that MAG is not JUST for Hairy arsed hardtail riders.
I recall a few years ago MAG did approach the BMF to see if they would be interested in joining forces but if i remember rightly the BMF were only interested in swallowing up MAG to increase their membership.
Re: your earlier posting, 'MAG is generally perceived as being just for Back Patch clubs' (or something to that effect), true but have a look at MAGs Farmyard Party advertisments... 'No Colours to be worn'.
I actually know this myself Wankel, all im saying is that some people percieve them as this way. Maybe a bit more advertising would help. I dont pretend to have all the answers but i sure do have a lot of questions. Anyway, its Friday, im goin to see Bad Manners tonight :D

[skida]

I think the idea of a go slow ride is sound, but the protest should have 2 targets: a) The Nimbys b) the idiot riders who would spoil it for everyone else. It would show that the majority of riders are mature and care about the countryside and that we are dead set against interference in our lifestyle.

Rob: MAG generally associated with back-patch clubs? Hahahahahahahahaha! (in-joke). Anybody at the AGC in Rugby 2001 would have a giggle at that one. :D

[UKRobKLR650]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Go slow protest? :D That well keep all the Harley riders happy then cause they'll be able to keep up for a change :D

[Braces]

I don`t see the point of a go slow realy, the normals will think we are a bigger pain in the ass than they already think we are. They need to be educated not pissed off.

[muzza]

I tend to agree with Braces on this point. As anyone will know, when you are behind any form of mobile obstruction tractors, horses milk floats me(!) etc, you tend to get wound up and then red mist comes down and we all know the consequences of that. Anothyer idea of protest would be to drive AT the speed limit, then all the nimbys, police etc would get really peed off because we are then proving that we are law abiding and considerate and there is nothing they can do to protest at us! Imagine the headline in newspapers..."bikers cause chaos on roads by keeping to the speed limit" or Police and Magistrates late for work because they couldn't get to work due to adhering to Speed Limits"!! I know it sort of contradicts my point about slow moving vehicles, but if a protest is made then it should be done to the best advantage possible...Of me soap box and of to race round the Island..back in 5 Mins........... :D

[davesatan]

when we do bad the papers publisise and when we do good we become invisible , im stuck on 3 wheels now but do agree weekend warriors can be a pain in the arse no of one who has his mrs follow him so she can store his lid and leathers when he parks , makes me smile :D

[Choprocker]

Living in london as i do seems to me the new sportsbike, r1, gsx 1000 etc is the new fasion icon to have now. i have seen a lot of these spring up and with younger pepes too, prob due to the films coming out, Bikerboyz, Torque.
This aint to bad a thing if it introduces people to biking but i can see the accident/death statistics going up. within a yr or when they crash (whatever comes first) i can see em getting the next in thing.
The thing is i dont mind watching some 1 doing wheelies, Burnouts etc but some of em do it i the wrong place, iedown the local high street where if they come of they aint gonna be the only 1 hurt.

[Jonnyfp2]

Did anything come of this?

[Grav]

Yeah, we sent Saxman up there to infiltrate the locals and put a stop to this nonesense once and for all. He told them his repertoire of crap jokes until they gave in and acceded to our demands. :D

[ernie the dwarf]

If you move over as well Grav you could clear the county between the pair of you :D

[Grav]

I cant move to Yorkshire matey, every time I go there I have this incredibly strong urge to torch the place. Must be cos I'm Lancastrian eh? :D

And also, I reckon me and Sax could clear the whole of the north of England if we put our minds to it. ;) :D

[Fran]

I cant move to Yorkshire matey, every time I go there I have this incredibly strong urge to torch the place. Must be cos I'm Lancastrian eh?

And also, I reckon me and Sax could clear the whole of the north of England if we put our minds to it. ;) :D


& you talk about me lighting farts! :eek: :D

[Yoda]

My point on the subject

Custom Riders tend to be more sedate in their riding behaviour, in general, as 'Most of the time' customs tend not to handle as good as crotch rockets, yes i admit that well sorted customs can handle as good as crotch rockets

sports bikes by their nature promote speed i will give you an example i drive my renault scenic fast on a run, but round town i potter about, as soon as i get into my kitcar i am a complete hooligan and will race anyone - see the pattern here such as the difference in driving a ferrari with soft celtic music one and the with bat out of hell on

i cant remember the last time i sen a group (or a single rider for that matter) of custom riders flat out throwing their machines around, the same cannot be said 'in general' of crotchrocket riders yes you do see sensible riders, but they do tend to be on non sports road bikes

now comes the crossover
Streetfighter - machines that are customised and can kick sports bikes arses
there nature is agressive which encorages speed but also, they have put their own hard work and personal touch on their machine and are more likley to be a bit more concerned at throwing it down the road, its not as if the insurance can buy them another one off the shelf is it


so as a broad generalisation
Custom riders - tend to be more sedate but give it beans when appropriate
Sports bike riders - probably most likely to give it beans all the time
non sports road bikes - probably give it more beans around town than a custom rider and then beans alsewhere when appropriate
Streetfighter - i would say that they err on the side of sportsbike riders but think twice about the damage that can be caused to their machine if they have an off

However

I am probably wrong

we all give it beans when we can

[krammer]

My point on the subject

Custom Riders tend to be more sedate in their riding behaviour, in general, as 'Most of the time' customs tend not to handle as good as crotch rockets, yes i admit that well sorted customs can handle as good as crotch rockets

sports bikes by their nature promote speed i will give you an example i drive my renault scenic fast on a run, but round town i potter about, as soon as i get into my kitcar i am a complete hooligan and will race anyone - see the pattern here such as the difference in driving a ferrari with soft celtic music one and the with bat out of hell on

i cant remember the last time i sen a group (or a single rider for that matter) of custom riders flat out throwing their machines around, the same cannot be said 'in general' of crotchrocket riders yes you do see sensible riders, but they do tend to be on non sports road bikes

now comes the crossover
Streetfighter - machines that are customised and can kick sports bikes arses
there nature is agressive which encorages speed but also, they have put their own hard work and personal touch on their machine and are more likley to be a bit more concerned at throwing it down the road, its not as if the insurance can buy them another one off the shelf is it


so as a broad generalisation
Custom riders - tend to be more sedate but give it beans when appropriate
Sports bike riders - probably most likely to give it beans all the time
non sports road bikes - probably give it more beans around town than a custom rider and then beans alsewhere when appropriate
Streetfighter - i would say that they err on the side of sportsbike riders but think twice about the damage that can be caused to their machine if they have an off

However

I am probably wrong

we all give it beans when we can that's all well and good but what if you don't like beans? :p

[Yoda]

that's all well and good but what if you don't like beans? :p
then spaghetti hoops are your friend

[dkneil]

spaghetti hoops

round things in sauce,,like bringing a old thread around again

[saxman]

And also, I reckon me and Sax could clear the whole of the north of England if we put our minds to it. ;) :D


I can manage on me own, dont need no scousers help... :)

[Captain Smurf]

Did anything come of this?You trying to be controversial?

Digging up old threads

Should be ashamed of yerself :p

A feck, just ignore my first 2 lines :D

[ernie the dwarf]

then spaghetti hoops are your friend

They ain't mine,nasty things....

[Grav]

You could use them as hula hoops, Ernie. :D

[ernie the dwarf]

You could use them as hula hoops, Ernie. :D


Why do they go crispy ?

[Grav]

Leave em long enough and they weld themselves to yer plate.

[ernie the dwarf]

Yuk..........i think not..

[Shaun the Fatman]

You get caught doing 180MPH you get banned (although I'd like to see the plod bike that could do that )... don't matter if the limit is 50 or 60 MPH. They are doing illegal speeds so I'm not sure what they expect to gain, it's down to the coppers to monitor it. (er...A thought occurs...without speed cameras how do they know how fast they were going? Did they just look up how fast modern sportsbikes can go?)

Given that their whole point was to preserve the natural landscape I'm at a loss to explain their demand for traffic cameras. An uglier piece of road furniture has yet to be invented, and then they paint it flurescent Yellow... go figure.

I would also wonder about the reaction of people who actually live and work in the National Parks when HGVs (including horseboxes, cattle wagons, fertiliser lorries, home delivery trucks etc etc) are restricted from accessing the park... How many of these people signing the petition actually live there? Bet Patrick Stewart for one is in LA most of the time.

And I raised an eyebrow about the poor deer being menaced by bikers, a biker hitting an animal at any speed is looking at serious Splatting, doesnt do a car much good either. Maybe we should petition for the deer to have reflective jackets stapled on and see how they like that....

As for bike top speeds... I'd rather ride at 70 on a bike engineered for 180 than on one designed for 70... acceleration can get you out of trouble as well as into it, and those bikes have brakes to match.

Anyway, most small hatchbacks can do 100mph+, some much more than that, but if it was suggested cars were castrated in the same way as Bikes once were I would tune in to Top Gear to see the fireworks.

Oh I do go on don't I.:D

PS and I'm not finished yet... The whole area is a tourist area... how many thousands of pounds do they get in income from the Bikers attending the Farmyard alone?

[Taff]

Well i cant fully disagree with what they're saying.
A guy got stiffed last year, coming back from Squires i think it was, when one of these weekend rossi's passed him on a bend at warp factor speed, clipped him, and sent him into the kerb.
You dont inherit the skill required to ride a 160MPH bike as soon as you pass your test.
More than once i've been passed far too close by one of these people, on an empty straight road, where their only reason for doing so is to try and freeten you, scares my woman to death.
See 'em on the motorway and they're invariably sat in the middle lane at 80/90, like scared little lambs.
I hate 'em me.

[Worjorj]

...and call
on the authorities to act now as a matter of urgency to meet BAND’s five
principal demands. These are:

1) To reduce the speed limit to a maximum of 50 mph on all roads within the
North Yorkshire Moors National Park

2) To seek a significant enhancement of traffic police presence and road
safety enforcement on the B1257

3) To seek the introduction of speed cameras on the B1257

4) To seek police action against illegal noise pollution by motorbikes
within the North Yorkshire Moors National Park

5) To reduce the volume of Heavy Commercial Vehicles transiting the Park

1. With the exception of 3 A roads, 2 of which are on the border of the park,the speed limit already is a maximum of 50mph throughout.

2. To provide a presence on the B1257 would be a huge waste of manpower for very little gain.

3. There are no permanent speed cameras anywhere in N Yorks.

4. They are already doing that.

5. How the feck else are people in Whitby going to be fed etc. Unless it's Chris Eubank out for a jolly in his truck, I doubt if there are many commercial vehicles nipping through the National Parks for the scenery.