An open letter to them (they know who they are)

[RedRobbie]

I SMOKE CIGARETTES.
So what so fukin what. But for some reason that gives people the right to publicly berate me. I cant smoke in most restaurants, on trains,planes Dublin or busses. I cant smoke at work or in your work place (probably)If the local council gestapo get their own way I wont be able to smoke in Liverpool at all.

I smoke out of a combination of addiction and enjoyment. I like smoking

My name's RedRobbie and i'm a smoker. There i've said it!

So now i'm a social lepper. I am a tax burden, a health risk to myself and others, smelly and unfit.

Well if its acceptable to have this barrage hurled at me every fukin day of the week then why is it rude of me to say the same thing about fat people. No I dont mean overweight , I am talking about obese telly tubby types. The ones that take up one and a half seats on aeroplanes, busses etc. Fat bastids that contribute nothing but just permanently consume everything.
Nogood , self-inflicted, bone idle, ugly, fat fuckers that sweat profusely and smell. The ones with the big fat dimply legs.

Ok if I offend people by smoking then sorry for that, we need to find our own space. But please keep a realistic and fair approach when ostracising both myself and other smokers and take the same approach to obese people.
Tell them to stop eating, tell them they are a tax liability. Point out that they smell and their presence is offensive in this trendy new world thats been created.

Truth is you wont , cos thats bad manners and will personaly insult and offend the fat f'cker. And well they may be "on the large side" but he\she's got a lovly personality.YOU FECKIN HYPOCRITE.

Thats my rant for the day and i'm off for a smoke now ta ta.

[Tom-madbiker]

Feel better now

[m@rk]

at work we have to sneak to the bogs avoiding the ass likin gestapo the will have you hung drawn and quartered just for the praise.
my answer is that unless you see me smokin in the cubicale(if you try ill punch your lights out)then im guilty but if you think.....
balls to this...it winds me up to much..
no one f***s with my life cos i drive a deisel(which causes so many more problems than fags do)

what im trying to say is that "its my life and i will live it as i see fit "
you dont like it them move away..

there we go rant over

[RedRobbie]

Feel better now
No - Ive just had a ciggy and the more i think about it the worse it gets.
For the price of a big mac meal you can go out and buy some fresh veg and some chicken or fish and enjoy a very tasty and healthy dinner.
Theres slim fast, atkins and god only knows what else to help you lose weight. The government spend a fortune to get people slim and healthy.

So wheres the investment,technology and money that would provide us with a geneticaly modified tobacco plant. Modified to do away with the harmful carcinogens and the addictive elements in nicotine.
Wheres the culture that says "poor smokers heres the fun without the consequenses" I'll tell where ! FUCKIN NOWHERE thats where.

[krammer]

so what pray tell was the catalyist for this rant then bud?

[RedRobbie]

so what pray tell was the catalyist for this rant then bud?

£5.10p for a packet of 16 yes 16 not fucking 20 but 16 Regal kingsize from a vending machine and a comment about how they are a waste of money from this burger munchin Cola swigging lard arse, who for once in his rottund life actualy felt superior to some one just because the pudding faced git doesnt smoke.

W ell mate if your reading this your heart will pack in a lot earlier than mine will, and all that money saved on not buying tobacco and spent on dohnuts wont make you feel so fuking smart then . Will it you cun t.

AAAARRGGGHHHH

[RedRobbie]

Im off

wheres my fuckin Radox and dolphin song CD

[Doro]

hey red I heartily agree wif ya

if smoking is really that bad why don't they just make it a class A drug?

also

I might be wrong but I think the cancer causing agents are the 4000 chemicals which are added to tobacco during manufacture of cigarettes


or summat like that



doro - also a smoker - and proud of it - so there!

[Creature]

U carry om m8

altho i stopped smoking (am now a fast bastid !!!!) It dont bother me when i sit around with my m8s who smoke.

When I used to smoke the local cinima banned non smokers - they couldnt understand why I walked out in disgust and have never been back. We used to go very regular and always sat in non smoking area, but that was my choice....

Even know i try to avoid places were they have banned smoking - as I believe its an infringemnet of a persons rights.

Wonder how it would go in the european courts - infringment of rights, causeing stress & anxiety, poss time of work due ti the stress, poss even loss of job (unfair dismisal)

If ya wanna smoke carry on as far as I'm concerned

[krammer]

smoke a joint mate and calm the fuck down :)

[RedRobbie]

WOW

Thats the raw pow - pow power of the internet. The most untapped resource still available to us little people.
I decide to blow off a little steam and look whats happend, people have come come together as a movement, a brotherhood.

Brothers may all your dreams be wet ones

Fatty in the pub hope that your next sh1t is a hedgehog

[Bassman]

smoke a joint mate and calm the fuck down :)
Yeah...but make sure you don't blow tha smoke in our direction.... :D

[BlackPig]

Yeah...but make sure you don't blow tha smoke in our direction.... :D


Lightweight !! :D :D :D

[RedRobbie]

hey red I heartily agree wif ya

if smoking is really that bad why don't they just make it a class A drug?

also

I might be wrong but I think the cancer causing agents are the 4000 chemicals which are added to tobacco during manufacture of cigarettes


or summat like that



doro - also a smoker - and proud of it - so there!

Right on Brother and if you dont mind me saying - having seen your visage on another thread - what a handsom and imposing countenance you have.

Good for you.

[DANNY]

RR for PM you get my vote.It gets me when the plaice i worked at said go out side for a fag. eeer isnt it the none smokers that want the fresh air.

[RedRobbie]

RR for PM you get my vote.It gets me when the plaice i worked at said go out side for a fag. eeer isnt it the none smokers that want the fresh air.

I'll look after you Danny when the revoloution comes- your in my good book.
You was anyway cos we share the same age and birthday 0ct 17 right.

[Jonnyfp]

I am avin a FAG!!

Tab giggy roll up...not a poof...grav is no where near me...lol

[Dougie]

My two pennorth.....
Thin ice m8!As someone who is not small I'm not especially happy about your first post.The whole 'fat=lazy,smelly' etc thing,to me,is somewhat offensive.There are plenty of skinny b*stards who are lazy,smelly and do nothing but take take take,and the rest of us pay for it.I'll admit it,I eat the wrong things (I don't overeat,just the wrong things),drink too much fizzy stuff and DEFINITELY too much beer,but I'm neither lazy nor smelly and I pay my way in today's society,with income tax,council tax,road tax,VAT and the rest.
You're complaining about paying so much for 16 smokes out of a machine,well TOUGH ****!You know you're gonna get ripped off!Buy 'em before you go to the pub!I'll point out here that I'm an ex smoker,but I'm not against smoking,far from it.I used to enjoy it,but I gave up after coughing up something that waved back at me,and I still miss it,I believe that these bans are Draconian.
One further point though,if you were MY union rep,as you seem to have a downer on overweight folk,I don't know if I'd come to you with my problems as you don't seem to be impartial.
Think about it.

[dracken1]

people, meaning non smokers praise the goverment for getting tough with smokers.
those same people winge about increases in fuel both vehicle and heating.

don't the idiots realise that for every person who stops smoking,the goverment receives less in revenue from tobacco.
do they really think the goverment is happy to lose that revenue.
no they are not but it looks good to the public.
the goverment want that money back which they do by adding a bit here and a bit there onto other things.
health costs eh? blair takes us to war with a country we don't really have a arguement with, a people of whom many think its a good thing to die for they god.
now personally i think that could be classed as a health risk, to us all.

i agree with what red says to apoint. everyone of us can think of something we would like to see banned,
it did come over as a little offensive though.
some smokers "will" die of smoking related illness', some obese people "will" die from a result of their weight.
but not all.

[RedRobbie]

My two pennorth.....
Thin ice m8!As someone who is not small I'm not especially happy about your first post.The whole 'fat=lazy,smelly' etc thing,to me,is somewhat offensive.There are plenty of skinny b*stards who are lazy,smelly and do nothing but take take take,and the rest of us pay for it.I'll admit it,I eat the wrong things (I don't overeat,just the wrong things),drink too much fizzy stuff and DEFINITELY too much beer,but I'm neither lazy nor smelly and I pay my way in today's society,with income tax,council tax,road tax,VAT and the rest.
You're complaining about paying so much for 16 smokes out of a machine,well TOUGH ****!You know you're gonna get ripped off!Buy 'em before you go to the pub!I'll point out here that I'm an ex smoker,but I'm not against smoking,far from it.I used to enjoy it,but I gave up after coughing up something that waved back at me,and I still miss it,I believe that these bans are Draconian.
One further point though,if you were MY union rep,as you seem to have a downer on overweight folk,I don't know if I'd come to you with my problems as you don't seem to be impartial.
Think about it.

erm . . . I just looked at your pic on the other thread and you hardly fit the image I mentioned earlier.

[BikerGran]

I can never understand why the people who want to stop other people doing things they enjoy, always seem to have more rights then the people who've been happily doing what they enjoy for years!

And what is the matter with these killjoys who say "Look, there's someone enjoying life, better stop them at once! "

And My two pennorth.....
Thin ice m8!As someone who is not small I'm not especially happy about your first post.The whole 'fat=lazy,smelly' etc thing,to me,is somewhat offensive Surely thats the whole point? Why is it ok to offend us smokers and not ok to offend you?


Don't start me, I'm off to have a smoke...............

[Dougie]

First off,RR.
All my life,I've had people calling me a fat b*stard.I was bullied at school for 12 years for it.I still get comments,so I think I've got a right to get pissed off.What if I called everyone from your neck of the woods a dirty fecker because I'd met one person who was?
Second,Biker Gran.
I don't believe it's ok to offend smokers.As I said in my post,I did point out that I still miss smoking and I believe these bans are draconian.The point I'm making is you can't just write off a section of the community because one or two have pissed on your chips.
After all,Joe Public does it to bikers all the time.

[Bosun]

I have never been a smoker,but hey my choice, and if people do so what its their choice
i like motorbikes and some dont
I like a drink, and occassionally this may be a bit high, hence im no lightweight, but then i dont grumble at tea total vegan bean poles

my girlfriend is so anti smoking it takes away the pleasure of going out anywhere sometimes

the whole thing is tolerance, and i can see why RR got so upset.. its choices and thats all..if thats what people enjoy fine, cinemas (when you could) /resteraunts are ok with one side non, one side is.. you then have a choice i must say airplanes are more pleasant all non smoking ( my ex smoked so we were always with them) but you should have better facilities in airports

[RedRobbie]

First off,RR.
All my life,I've had people calling me a fat b*stard.I was bullied at school for 12 years for it.I still get comments,so I think I've got a right to get pissed off.What if I called everyone from your neck of the woods a dirty fecker because I'd met one person who was?
Second,Biker Gran.
I don't believe it's ok to offend smokers.As I said in my post,I did point out that I still miss smoking and I believe these bans are draconian.The point I'm making is you can't just write off a section of the community because one or two have pissed on your chips.
After all,Joe Public does it to bikers all the time.

Ok Doug I understand why you are aggrieved but I think you have missed the point of the original post.

Unfortunatly we live in a time when image is generaly held in higher regard than substance. And todays popular image is the clean cut motivated professional type who is so self absorbed they believe that they can hector the smoking community whith impunity. This culture is now so ingrained within oursociety that a total stranger can and often does impose their will and critique on a groupe society considers fair game.
The point I was challenging is why this is acceptable towards smokers and unacceptable to obese people as both groupes do not conform to societies superficial values. The post was not a pesonal attack on one group inparticular, but rather an illustration of the hypocracy we have come to tolerate.

The description I gave about both groupes being unfit, lazy and smelly are not views I support or condone however they are recognised stereotype images that we have to suffer.The stereo type image of the biker was also a point you made yourself, and being a scouser who has never stolen anything since school days I am very aware of how untrue common misconceptions actualy are.
Finaly it looks like we are in agreement like you I believe that you cant just write off one section of the community also.
Regards
RedRobbie

[Yoda]

£5.10p for a packet of 16 yes 16 not fucking 20 but 16

god i didnt realise fags were that expensive
having never smoked

but remember :) The 100% Forum is a No-Smoking Area :)

anyway its my glands and big bones that make me fat......oh and the crisps

[elifan]

anyone got a light?

[Sir Ewok]

Having been a non-smoker all my life, I don't have a beef with with smokers, as long as they are responsible. Nowday most reataurants have smoking and non-smoking sections, but years ago they didn't. You would go into a cafe and the whole place would be a fug of tabacco smoke. It never bothered me as both my parents and brothers smoked, so I was used to it, but it did make several peeps ill. I have had to walk out of pubs before because the smoke actually burnt my eyes. Nowadays this does not happen so much as peeps cannot afford to smoke so much and in many places it is banned. I am not a smoking Nazi and believe that if this is the way you get your enjoyment, then so be it.
The real problem for modern society is Health and Safety or Insurance Risk. At work smokers have one smoke room, roumered to be going soon, or you can smoke accross the road inside the factory carpark. This is due to Insurance risk? Since we weld and gfrind all day and the welding fumes are more dangerous than tabacco smoke, I can't see the point...
In pubs and clubs etc the bar staff are in contact with second hand smoke and may be non-smokers, which leaves the owner open to being fined, or sued by a member of staff due to health problems....
At the end of the day the PC Nazis are out to screw us all. I remember riding round in gas board vans that had stalagtites made from tar hanging from the roof (no roof liners in them days) and I'm still here to say "Feck'em all, if they don't like it" carry on smoking and screw'em

[Fran]

if smoking is really that bad why don't they just make it a class A drug?



Because if it was illegal they couldn't profit from it.They're really quite happy for us to smoke,drink or eat our way into the grave as long as they can profit from us on the way! They just have to look like they care & want the best for us.If everybody woke up tomorrow & said I'm not going to overeat,drink or smoke from now on it would be interesting to see how the government got on up sh1t creek without our vice-tax as a paddle!

Fran...registered choca-holic-non smoker but defender of smoker's rights. :D

[RedRobbie]

I agree with whats been said and segregation is an answer to the passive smoing issue, however the original point is why is it ok to publicly berate smokers in an all to often offensive manner when we dont do this to other groupes. For instance we dont tell obese strangers to stop drinking cola as its bad for them. We dont tell parents to stop swearing infront of their own children as they will perpetuate anti social behaviour.We allow so many things to continue regardles of their effect on the community as a whole, only to pass comment behind closed doors without effect. However smokers are viewed as fair game.

A point raised ealier about air travel being better since smoking was banned on all flights. When passengers smoked on planes the air was changed and filtered every few minutes. this used more fuel and was an expense to the airline. However now that smoking is banned the air is not changed as often and as a result colds and viruses spread more easily on planes now as compared with 10 years ago. So by banning smoking on planes we are exposed to more bugs and viruses and the airline makes money from this .

[Gypsy]

smokers are now just an easy target as it is now becomming anti-social

[Gypsy]

doro says


we have to smoke outside at work but just because one person doesn't like it they are gonna even stop that!

:mad:

[brandersnatch]

I've given up but I still say f*ck the Lung Fascists.

Also cigarettes and tobaco cost a lot less if you buy from smugglers. (That's my top tip for the day.)

[Friar Tuck]

I blame it on the Tree hugging, veggie eating, anti-hunting, PC loving, free loading, lazy, good for nothing, new-age travelling, middle class, "free spirited", shoites that seem to inflitrated our every day lives, and whose sole intention semms to be to impose their way of thinking on everyone else! :mad: :mad:

And have you noticed these "people" once they have completed their education in Universities and "done" their "new-age, tree hugging" stint, end up as either born-again "christians" in some minor religious cult! And/Or become "pillars" of the community, and take over the local parish council, end up on the school board of governors, and impose their lefty-ite views on those around them? And they drive "Green" friendly cars, and are invariably in "Caring" jobs like the Social services! And when they Fcuk up they squeel loudly that it wasn't their fault and blame it on everyone else, and will not take responsibility for their own actions? :mad:

I'm going for a fag!

*stomps off snarling and slams door behind him! Loudly!*

[TaxiDave]

doro says


we have to smoke outside at work but just because one person doesn't like it they are gonna even stop that!

:mad:


Will there be any fat people who smoke at the wedding or will they be banned?

[Doro]

ummmm

yes fat people are more than welcome

otherwise we'd prob have hardly any guests, I know sprintbint is skinny, but I think the rest of us have beer/chocolate/pudding/exercise-free bellies


ha ha


as for smoking...well, if the ceremony lasts more than a few minutes you'll be joining the bride and groom in a fag - gotta be a first ha ha


we can even offer round a 'ceremonial' ciggy for everyone to share :D

[kitkatman]

i smoke, i also packed up for 6 months last year, but through stress i started again, so what!
why dos'nt the goverment ban smoking and cigarettes completely, simple, they want the tax revenue for the nhs and without it i should imagine we would be paying another 5p in tax on the £1, so there f@ckin hypocrites as well! they complain about the duty in the eu being cheaper... hang on a f@ckin minute, i thought we were in the eu! and a simple solution to stop the bootleggers, drop the duty of fags and baccy to only a £1 a pack, instead of @£3 and it would'nt be worth doing the fag runs to france/belgium, but they won't listen to the likes of me and you, why that you ask, it's because we are only the public and are treated as thick as s@it, ther you go mr.blair, you can go and shove your head up cherie's arse!

now thats of my chest, i'm of for a benson!!!!

[Doro]

further to my earlier rhetorical question



heroin vs cigarette smoking

apart from one being illegal, what are the differences?

I'll start the ball rolling..........


people have been known to get lung cancer from passive smoking (they say)

cigarettes are cheaper

both are addictive

both are bad for you

um, any more?

why is heroin illegal but smoking isn't?

they could whupp a massive tax on heroin after all




so it can't be just the revenue


am I missing something here about heroin?

[Doro]

and another thing


they recently banned a very useful prescription onlyy painkiller cos of 400 accidental deaths a year


now


how many peeps do they reckon die a year from smoking?


hypocrites they are methinks

no surprise there then

[kitkatman]

further to my earlier rhetorical question



heroin vs cigarette smoking

apart from one being illegal, what are the differences?

I'll start the ball rolling..........


people have been known to get lung cancer from passive smoking (they say)

cigarettes are cheaper

both are addictive

both are bad for you

um, any more?

why is heroin illegal but smoking isn't?

they could whupp a massive tax on heroin after all




so it can't be just the revenue


am I missing something here about heroin?
also cannabis, coke, speed and all the other narcotics that make you go weeeee, if properly thought out they could be minting it in, they could set up their own plantations, which would be strictly controlled and sold through the chemists on licence, anyone then caught 'making their own' could then be punished to whatever sentence seams right!
agree with me or not, the muppets in the house of commons will not listen!

[Sir Ewok]

Firstly the taxation question. Although they want everybody to stop smoking (and now they are targetting us fatties as well) they don't want everybody to quit overnight. Yes, the tax from ciggies funds the NHS indirectly and to stop that would be disasterous. What they want is a decline, year by year, in new smokers and experienced smokers. By reducing new smokers they are preventing the lung/heart/thrombosis problems bought on by smoking and by persuading seasoned smokers to quit, they reduce the risk for that group also. As peeps stop smoking (In their ideal world) then the taxes from tabacco will be less urgently needed as less smoking related illness will be evident. That's the theory, which has nothing to do with my views, just playing devils advocate.

Secondly the question of berating smokers, as opposed to other groups. The whole answer is 'Passive Smoking'. This lovely piece of propoganda, whether true or not is what gives the PC nazis there 'God Given' right to slag you off for smoking, as you are seen to be damaging their health, wheras fat peeps are just damaging their own. That is unless they fall on you.
I well remember when bikers were yelled at in the streets and banned from certain public places.
There is an old saying which goes " The more things change, the more they stay the same"
'Nuff said................ :cool:

[technoboiler]

I am among the heavy smokers brigade, maybe if they had been banned b4 i started i wouldnt smoke now.
I am very pst off that now i seem to be a public outcast and even my job is in jepardy,, i sing in pubs and clubs and i am quite sure if it gets banned there i wont be able to work.
I am overwhelmed at the amount of ppl here who dont smoke but are happy to stick up for the rights of those who do,,,, unlike the rest of britain who seem to be determined to follow anything as long as it aint singling out them personally..
What next?,,,,lets ban butter ... personally it all makes me sick,, but i bet it wont b long b4 smoking is banned everywhere bar ya own home...then what?,,,will kids b able to sue their parents for living in a smokers home?

its the same as when the government tried to score brownie points by saying they were saving the environment when they raised the price of petrol rediculously,,,,but strangely enough we put up with that too,,,

[poridge wog]

as the anti smoking advert sez, my dad never smoked around his kids,
well if they had let him have a fag inside, the feckin bus would never have hit him, hehehehe :D

[kitkatman]

as the anti smoking advert sez, my dad never smoked around his kids,
well if they had let him have a fag inside, the feckin bus would never have hit him, hehehehe :D
i shoud'nt laugh, but i will hahahahaah :D

[kitkatman]

[QUOTE=Friar Tuck]I blame it on the Tree hugging, veggie eating, anti-hunting, PC loving, free loading, lazy, good for nothing, new-age travelling, middle class, "free spirited", shoites that seem to inflitrated our every day lives, and whose sole intention semms to be to impose their way of thinking on everyone else! :mad: :mad:



simple, lets make them smoke.......... 2 gallon of petrol, soak until wimpering die's down a little bit, strike a match ( get ready for the dog impression) and wooof, hey presto the f@ckers are smoking.
let the mutha F@ckers burn baby...........




i'm all exiceted, i'm going for a laydown.........

[Friar Tuck]

Peeps talk about legalising drugs.

Well I don't know about you lot, but I have never snorted Coke or done H!

Basically I think you have to have a screw loose to stick a needle in yourself just to get a high! Only if I had Diabetes would I do something like that!

Also, snorting coke? What's that all about then? If I've ever sniffed something up me nose , accidentally or otherwise, I've violently sneezed it out! Now that is what I call a waste of money if ever there was one!

[technoboiler]

Peeps talk about legalising drugs.

Well I don't know about you lot, but I have never snorted Coke or done H!

Basically I think you have to have a screw loose to stick a needle in yourself just to get a high! Only if I had Diabetes would I do something like that!

Also, snorting coke? What's that all about then? If I've ever sniffed something up me nose , accidentally or otherwise, I've violently sneezed it out! Now that is what I call a waste of money if ever there was one!


nowt wrang wif a bit toot toot ya oot,,,,lol...... ;)

[Jonnyfp]

I don't do Coke unless it has vodka in it.

[technoboiler]

I don't do Coke unless it has vodka in it.


coz u is always fekin skint farty :D

[Friar Tuck]

nowt wrang wif a bit toot toot ya oot,,,,lol...... ;)
Never said there was nothing wrong with it! Just a bloody waste of money, that's all! I suppose I could recycle it by sniffing the contents of me hankie!

[Jonnyfp]

coz u is always fekin skint farty

:D :D ...........

[technoboiler]

Never said there was nothing wrong with it! Just a bloody waste of money, that's all! I suppose I could recycle it by sniffing the contents of me hankie!


oh come now,,,,dont pretend you are short of a bit cash,,,,,,lol ;)

[Friar Tuck]

Bloody am now! She that needs to be strangled wants to move! so we've sold and now found another place, and sorted out the new mortgage today! Bye-Bye 400 quid "arrangement fee" plus 285 quid for the "Survey", for the pleasure!

Fekkin' finance consultants! Oh yeah! tried to sell me bloody redundancy insurance until I pointed out that we already had it, and that had I had life cover, and accident, and sickness! and that it covered double the amount that we wanted to borrow. Which she should've have noticed had she read the policies properly! So much for "Independant Advice"

Took three fekkin' hours as everything had to be done "Online"!

[defarter]

Bloody am now! She that needs to be strangled wants to move! so we've sold and now found another place, and sorted out the new mortgage today! Bye-Bye 400 quid "arrangement fee" plus 285 quid for the "Survey", for the pleasure!

Fekkin' finance consultants! Oh yeah! tried to sell me bloody redundancy insurance until I pointed out that we already had it, and that had I had life cover, and accident, and sickness! and that it covered double the amount that we wanted to borrow. Which she should've have noticed had she read the policies properly! So much for "Independant Advice"

Took three fekkin' hours as everything had to be done "Online"!




Dam, get ready for a huge rise in the site rates peeps :eek: :eek:

[Santa]

I, too, used to smoke but no longer do. A heart attack tends to make you re-evaluate your priorities :( ! However, I have no desire to preach at others who smoke, it's their choice. I also (by personal choice) do not drink alcohol, and have no wish to berate those who do, but I find irritating, aggresive, uncontrolable drunks far more offensive than someone who lights a fag in my vicinity. (I still enjoy a therapeutic smoke regularly, I just don't mix it with tobacco :D )
On the subject of tax an American came up with a novel concept about 15/20 years ago. He proposed that, as America was spending billions of dollars a year fighting drugs and clearly not winning, that everything should be legalised but taxed according to how much harm it caused. Under his system the cheapest thing to buy would have been cannabis, with tobacco and alcohol well up there with all the hard drugs. Needless to say nobody in power was willing to go for his proposal. :confused:

[RedRobbie]

I, too, used to smoke but no longer do. A heart attack tends to make you re-evaluate your priorities :( ! However, I have no desire to preach at others who smoke, it's their choice. I also (by personal choice) do not drink alcohol, and have no wish to berate those who do, but I find irritating, aggresive, uncontrolable drunks far more offensive than someone who lights a fag in my vicinity. (I still enjoy a therapeutic smoke regularly, I just don't mix it with tobacco :D )
On the subject of tax an American came up with a novel concept about 15/20 years ago. He proposed that, as America was spending billions of dollars a year fighting drugs and clearly not winning, that everything should be legalised but taxed according to how much harm it caused. Under his system the cheapest thing to buy would have been cannabis, with tobacco and alcohol well up there with all the hard drugs. Needless to say nobody in power was willing to go for his proposal. :confused:


When I'm in power mate you will see a real difference. First thing I will do after getting rid of all the right wingers, lefties, pinko'es, students, inteligencia, cunts with cse's, old people young people, cliff fucken richards, tv and radio viewers, country folk, townies and anyone else i consider subversive is have a cup of tea and an Eccles cake

[Sir Ewok]

When I'm in power mate you will see a real difference. First thing I will do after getting rid of all the right wingers, lefties, pinko'es, students, inteligencia, cunts with cse's, old people young people, cliff fucken richards, tv and radio viewers, country folk, townies and anyone else i consider subversive is have a cup of tea and an Eccles cake

You'll have to make it yourself then.........

[r30]

they will never ban it because of the revenue from it http://www.the-tma.org.uk/page.aspx?page_id=42