24hr drinking?

[Simon B]

Now I dont know what the rest of you think, but Im getting bloody fed up with the news keep going on about the problems of 24hr drinking, mainly going on about binge drinking, fighting etc.
Does anyone else agree with me, that the only reason people binge is cause the pubs about to shut at eleven, most of the fights in town centres etc are caused by everyone being thrown out into the street at the same time.
Or is it the mentality of the people that drink in the town cxentre trendy pubs that cause the problems?

[Mitch]

Spot on mate, it has never been to do with 24 hour drinking, more allowing pubs to shut when they like within reason, staggering their closing times to stop the usual crush for a taxi etc.

The whole Last Orders/Drinking up time thing where everyone gulps down another four or five pints in half an hour adds to the problems.

They've been doing this in Scotland for years as far as I know. Even parts of lancashire (like Todmorden, which is on the border between West Yorkshire and Lancashire) have had different hours. One biker pub I used to go to there always shut at 11.00 on a sunday and not 10.30

It's also probably more to do with the old fashioned 'lock-in' which would now become legal.

[Freak]

Now I dont know what the rest of you think, but Im getting bloody fed up with the news keep going on about the problems of 24hr drinking, mainly going on about binge drinking, fighting etc.
Does anyone else agree with me, that the only reason people binge is cause the pubs about to shut at eleven, most of the fights in town centres etc are caused by everyone being thrown out into the street at the same time.
Or is it the mentality of the people that drink in the town cxentre trendy pubs that cause the problems?

Probably a combiation of the two plus young lads being all braved up on charlie can't help. It's bad enough in the little town where I live. Pumped up little twats taking on bigger, older blokes in an attempt to get a name for themselves. :mad:
I dunno what the answer is really :confused:

[Miss Demeanour]

Spot on mate, it has never been to do with 24 hour drinking, more allowing pubs to shut when they like within reason, staggering their closing times to stop the usual crush for a taxi etc.



Quite right, I think they should be able to open until whenever the proprietor chooses.

24-hour opening will be quite unlikely on practical grounds anyway, as they'll still need to clean and re-stock. And the number of people in a pub/bar between 3am onwards would probably be so few that it wouldn't make economic sense to be open.

It will be a great advance for rallies though, as you'd no longer need late licences, or to push your luck by closing the doors and serving late...

[Freak]

The whole Last Orders/Drinking up time thing where everyone gulps down another four or five pints in half an hour adds to the problems.



That's a VERY good point Mitch. (Blimey, even I do that :eek: )

[geordiedevil]

I lived in Luxembourg for a little while...........cafes/bars open most of 24 hours, and I never ever witnessed a fight/brawl/argument..........EVER! Granted, I wasn't living in the city, just a small town, but even so!

When I first moved over there...........it was "gawd......I can drink ALL DAY/NIGHT!" It does become a case of ,if you CAN you DON'T though!

If you wanted to go out for a beer......any time of day.......you could.........so no more "last orders, I better down a load of beer now"!!!!!

I think if it was introduced here, the 1st few weeks would possibly see a rise in the ammount of drink related crime, but I'm 100% certain that the levels would drop dramatically after the initial "novelty factor" wore off.

[Dougie]

In Edinburgh,if you know where to go,you can find a pub open at any time of the day.
For my part I reckon half the problem is caused by the owners of the pubs & clubs where the 18-25 year olds go.It is illegal (at least in Scotland) to serve alcohol to someone who is drunk,but these characters keep serving until the kids are too pissed to stand then get the doormen to chuck them out.Once on the street it's not the pubs' problem.If you're wearing the right gear (and are the right age) they'll serve you 'til you pass out.

[Mrs Reject]

D'you wanna make something of it *hic*.

[Sir Ewok]

I agree with Fran and I think the stupid offers like doubles for a quid, girls drink free all night etc add to the problems. Female drink related problems are on the rise and are now fast catching up with men.

Don't see why pubs should pay extra for policeing as staggered closing hours should help the police manage better. Instead of having everything available out from 11 onwards the arrests and trouble, as it comes, will be staggered as well.

The only problem I have with 24hr drinking is I can't afford it and I'd have to stop to go to work........ :p

[Freak]

Just a thought but if they stagger closing times wont everyone just pile into the bar that closes last?

[Miss Demeanour]

[QUOTE=Dougie]It is illegal (at least in Scotland) to serve alcohol to someone who is drunk[QUOTE]

Yup here too. Drunks, policemen on duty and known prostitutes, apparently.

[Grav]

Spot on mate, it has never been to do with 24 hour drinking, more allowing pubs to shut when they like within reason, staggering their closing times to stop the usual crush for a taxi etc.



Wigan has had staggered closing times for quite a while now and since this has been happening the amount of drink related crimes in the town centre has plummeted. Folks know they can get a drink without having to guzzle down several beers at last orders and its easier to get a taxi too.

A few places close at midnight, then 1am, 2am, 3am till the last cub closes at 4am. By this time most folks have had a good night out without having to binge drink and go home happy. There are still a few pratts though that have to try to prove they are big drinkers to their mates, 18 - 24 yr olds naturally, but nowhere near the problems the local plod faced before this scheme came into effect.

There is no real need for 24 hour drinking times, just a sensible licencing policy like the one we have in Wigan. It works and everybody is happy with the situation. I cant really see any places staying open 24 hours but some will for a while till the novelty wears off.

[ForestFred]

I remember years ago when I first went over to Germany(West then shows how long ago :) ) The bars stayed open for a lot longer than over here guess who were staggering around at 11.00 12.00 midnite yep all the the bloody english,24 hour opening does not mean pubs and bars have to stay open it just gives them the option if they and their customers want it.

[geordiedevil]

24 hour opening does not mean pubs and bars have to stay open it just gives them the option if they and their customers want it.


Yup.......1 of the pubs/cafes I used to visit in Luxenbourg was never open til late afternoon/early evening because most of his customers wanted to sit somewhere late at night/early morning, to have a drink/meet with friends, and they weren't interested in daytime drinking.

Also, most, if not all of the local pub/cafes were owned and worked by family, and very friendly...........also very family/kid orientated, the kiddies were always put first........not just in the pubs/cafes but everywhere, and I have to say, I never once came across troublesome kiddies.

Having said that..........there was also plenty of places to go without worrying about kiddies being there too, the country catered for everyone.

We could learn alot from Luxembourg..........and other countries!

[Fran]

I think part of the problem is that the younger pub generation have a much larger disposable income/access to credit to spend on drinking than they used to in general and it's the "in thing"to get totally sh1tfaced.I can only speak for my own town & it's got a lot worse over the last few years.I liked going out for a drink with my mates when I was in the 18-25 group.Often we drank more than we should have but the kids I see round town are beyond pissed.It's not unusual to see kids passed out (male & female) & their equally wasted mates trying to get them into a taxi or leaving them in a pool of their own body fluids.

[geordiedevil]

I have allways offered my 3 girls ( now 13, 10 and 7) a glass of wine etc on occasions, and never made alcohol out to be a "no-go area". They now have decided that......as young as they are......that alcohol is no big deal........and I would rather have them tasting/experimenting under my supervision than thinking it's a big deal as many kids do when parents totally ban them drinking alcohol.

[Peirre]

doubt it will stop the 2 gits who stand at the bar in a local pub on a saturday night and order 8 pints each at last orders, and drink em as fast as they pour em, one pint after the other in the space of 10 minutes :eek:

[Dougie]

I have allways offered my 3 girls ( now 13, 10 and 7) a glass of wine etc on occasions, and never made alcohol out to be a "no-go area". They now have decided that......as young as they are......that alcohol is no big deal........and I would rather have them tasting/experimenting under my supervision than thinking it's a big deal as many kids do when parents totally ban them drinking alcohol.That's the way the French do it I believe,and all the times I've been in France I've never seen drunks to the extent we have here.That's not to say that it doesn't happen though.

[geordiedevil]

That's the way the French do it I believe,and all the times I've been in France I've never seen drunks to the extent we have here.That's not to say that it doesn't happen though.

True.............the French.....and others do it, and probably have much less of a problem than we do with drunk, out of control kids/teens etc.
They will have problems with drunks, it would be silly to think they didn't, but not to the extent this country does.

I think to ban something from kids/teens is actually encouraging them maybe, to find out what all the fuss is about!

[saxman]

I have been drunk in france, on more than one occasion. :o

[Bassman]

Where we grew up in West Wales.. the pubs had ready made boards that they used to hang up on hooks and cover the windows at closing time... and they were not allowed to open on Sundays either!! Never stopped em though.. even the local fuzz used to call in for a pint when he was passing,,, no set closing time then or now down there...
Anyway.. my wife is delighted that the pubs will stay open 24 hours... it means that she will hardly ever have to set eyes on me!! :D

[GarrysPhrogg]

dont know the rules in france, but my garry and i partied in pigally in france with some bikers/goths we had a ball until 4am in a tiny little goth/biker bar, not one person appeard drunk or out of control !! garry was in france for nearly a year and witnessed nothing but friendshipb..................i dunno :)

[saxman]

02.40

sax still drinkin and pissed..... but not causin trouble.........................see. it can be done
:p

[bill?]

nearly 10 past 4 am and bill? is still drinking, not causing trouble. just trying to sort out all the video, web cam stuff and digi pics from my daughters 18th birthday.
I'd like to get it all on DVD before morning so gran & grandad can see it.

[Sir Ewok]

always done best when pished.....

[Crofty]

Just a thought but if they stagger closing times wont everyone just pile into the bar that closes last?
mAYBE THE LATE CLOSING BARS COULS STOP PEOPLE COMING IN fucking caps lock about an hour before closing, some pubs in my hometown have 12 o clock licences and they dont let you in after 11. others do, though and they get packed out.

[Crofty]

18 - 24 yr olds naturally
Hey, I'm 18-24 years old! (20 and three quarters!)
That said I was wankered a a house party last night. at some point i was wearing nipple tassels. i don't know why i thought that was a good idea. then I walked home and said hello to some police officers. don't know what the fuck I'm going on about.

[geordiedevil]

02.40

sax still drinkin and pissed..... but not causin trouble.........................see. it can be done
:p

only cos you get tooooo confused to cause trouble though sax!!! :p

[Nitrowing]

I'm a member of the British Institute of Innkeeping and hold my full on-licence though am not in the pub trade at the moment.
The problems we have at the moment are many and there are a few causes.

The main cause, however, is group owned and managed pubs. The group installs managers from out of area and are usually unsympathetic to the regular drinkers and their tastes - the group wants to promote it's 'brand'. Their pub manager only cares about profit margin and doesn't care who is being served. The pub has such a high turnover of drinkers and staff that none of them care about the establishment they are in.

A free house with owner/landlord doesn't want 'his' pub to get a bad name and is a lot more select in who he allows to drink there.

[Tim1400]

I am sure like most cities you can already drink 24 hrs in Brum if you know where to go.The thing is while they are all fighting , puking and whatever at 2 am in Broad st (trendy Brum)

[Tim1400]

Sorry pressed wrong button.to Continue :we are still getting pissed with no grief . :D :D

[Simon B]

Well there's just been an ICM poll on breakfast news which staes 64% of people asked dont want 24hr drinking, at the bottom of the page in small print is says they asked 1064 people so its hardly a large survey.
The minister for pubs licencing etc said local people will have a say in what licences are granted and its not about 24hr drinking just staggered closing times, the interviewers didnt want to know it was all about '' anti -social behaviour'' with video of people fighting in the streets.
ISNT IT GREAT TO HAVE AN UN-BIASSED NEWS SERVICE !