another debate

[Doro]

look at this and follow some of the links

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13286701,00.html

of course I wasn't at the trial, or an officer on the case, or involved in any way at all

but it seems to me that this lad has been convicted based on one person in America who said his body language showed he was lying??????????????


that is very scary



no DNA evidence? no witnesses, no tearful (UNcoerced) confession?

just a so called expert's statement (like the Dr in the cases of the women convicted of murdering their cot-death babies :( )


does anyone know if there are more facts for this? because I cannot believe they've convicted him on that evidence alone.......

[Jonnyfp]

Jodi was stripped, tied up and repeatedly stabbed to death in what had all the hallmarks of a ritual killing.


I'm instantly suspicious when i see **** like that.
You see some of the beatings given by police in america over the last 40 years,
Yanks are still running puritan based legal system that seems to date right back Salem.
Why does a manic knife attack automatically become a 'ritual killing'

Evidence is soo flawed too Doro, i agree.

[Doro]

yeah I'm not saying he did or didn't do it,

I am just surprised that he was convicted on such flimsy evidence, apparently the police had him down as the killer straight away and didn't even consider anyone else, they even let the council empty the bins without having looked in them for further evidence

[Jonnyfp]

Editted bab..i wanted see if them quote tabs worked...lol

[krammer]

what i did'nt like was the reporter on sky news giving his piece to camera, he went into so much graphic detail, why? thiis was someones daughter for fucks sake.

[100%Pat]

Having read it all, and just waded through as much as I can find, I'm inclined to think he probably did do it, but that is just a 'feeling' but I totally agree with Doro, there seems to be no clear evidence at all, no forensics no absolute identification , no motive, nothing. That is very scary! What the hell happened to reasonable doubt? How the hell was he convicted on no evidence? :mad:

[Gypsy]

had a look thro it and it does seem to be a lot of guess work.
i thought the law was that the jury had to be 100% certain he was the killer.
also i may be wrong here , but the verdict was very quick (24hrs) but only a majority verdict not all 12 ... im sure that would have taken longer to get than 24hrs

[Dougie]

You realise the "moral majority" types are going to blame Marilyn Manson,Nirvana,Goth music et al for this,don't you?
They can't just say he's an evil little bastard,there's got to be something "deeper".They did it after Columbine........

[Fran]

The most suspicious thing about his evidence to me,and I'm not being facetious,was that when his girlfriend didn't turn up he didn't phone or text her.Teenagers these days are phoning/texting each other every waking moment.I've seen them speaking to each other from opposite sides of the street on the phone.

[krammer]

also did'nt he have some or at least one other conviction for assault or threats with a knife? it's just so sad that a young girl should be robbed of her future in such a brutal way.

[mr.chaz]

Heavy sh*t!
This is turning into a mass debate.

[fade2black]

The most suspicious thing about his evidence to me,and I'm not being facetious,was that when his girlfriend didn't turn up he didn't phone or text her.Teenagers these days are phoning/texting each other every waking moment.I've seen them speaking to each other from opposite sides of the street on the phone.

Opposite sides of the road? I have witnessed 4 teenagers in the same room texxting each other instead of speaking





Things weren't like that in my day.......... Ithink it was a Wednesday.

[Doro]

yeah I'm not trying to say he was or wasn't guilty, just that I'm concerned that he was convicted on ZERO evidence

twas all just hearsay


and one so-called expert


I'm also reminded of colin stagg, stephen downing, timothy evans etc etc


all these guys were tried and convicted of crimes which they didn't commit, two of them 'confessed' and colin stagg almost 'confessed'


there was no evidence at all connecting any of them to the crime, whether they 'seemed' guilty or not........just the police trying to fit anyone into a slot so they can pat themselves on the back.

in each case the police didn't bother looking for anyone else, so they weren't really being objective


finally - the real killers went on to kill more people (except in downing's case)before they were eventually caught because the police in effect 'let them go free'


stephen downing was only 18 when he was convicted, and he served 27 years, he was 45 when released, his whole life gone...!


why was he a suspect?

because he found the body - sound familiar??


this kind of thing worries me so much

[Sir Ewok]

When I worked at Cosworths, a few years back now, a mate of mine's son found a body near the woods. He was on the way to a party and as he carried his beers across a field near the woods he spotted what he thought was a bundle of old clothes. Getting closer to them, he realised that it was the body of a young girl (about 15 if I remember rightly) dropped the beers and ran to ring the police. He was arrested, stripped of all his clothes, for forensics and his room searched. They found pictures of topless girls on his wardrobe door, so instantly he was a pervert ( anybody know a 16 year old that doesn't, unless he's gay?) and they interviewed his 15 year old girlfriend illegally (without an parent/social worker present). He was held in custody for weeks and his parents had windows smashed, cars damaged and even had someone try to firebomb their house.
He was released later when it was discovered that she had been murdered by two teenage girls who had absconded from a childrens home. They wanted her walkman and stabbed her to death for it.
Not only was my friends son traumatised by the arrest, but he swore never to help the police again. He was also one of three different guys arrested for the same murder, all of which were innocent.
No wonder they go after car-tax dodgers, they're easier to find.

[Dougie]

You realise the "moral majority" types are going to blame Marilyn Manson,Nirvana,Goth music et al for this,don't you?
They can't just say he's an evil little bastard,there's got to be something "deeper".They did it after Columbine........
Well,I was right!In the paper this morning it was stated that some MPs are wanting to ban kids under 18 from buying Manson,black metal etc. :eek:
Nanny state! :mad:

[Mrs Reject]

So that's what you've been up to Doro - we did wonder but didn't like to ask! It does seem very flimsy indeed. Seems to me people are being convicted on flimsy evidence all the time - police just want to convict someone and lock them up.
Makes me wonder if they'll get the right person who did out local murder!!!