Mr Gerry Tobin

[Pigpen]

The trial for those accused of taking part in the murder of Gerry Tobin is set for tommorrow (october 1st) at Birmingham Crown court.

[TektroG]

And...........?

I'm sure those concerned are well aware.

[shaggy696969]

I think it was just a case of bringing it to our attention. Lets hope Justice is done and not just seen to be done.

[booie2]

And...........?

I'm sure those concerned are well aware.


Think that was uncalled for, I believe like shaggy said that PigPen was just informing us.
I appreciate PigPen for posting this piece of information personally. Gerry's death affected alot of people, even those that dint know him and are not in the know.


I used to really enjoy this forum, but it appears that alot of people see this forum as a place to put their 'bully/arrogant/asshole' head on.
And this isn't solely directed at you tektrog, Your post just fuelled what i've been thinking for a while.

[Juke]

In fairness, I dont need it bringing to my attention. Even as someone who aint in the 'those concerned' bracket, I have had this date on my mind for the past few weeks.
Hang the fuckers, and hang those who agree with the actions of such gutless wankers! :mad:

And yes, I would air that view to anyone who thought I was wrong.....:rolleyes:

[droid]

Maybe those that were that affected would be keeping up with developments anyway....

I wasn't so I didn't, and it was news to me.

[hacky]

this is probly a thread that shouldnt be commented on until its done....

[Far Canal]

Think that was uncalled for, I believe like shaggy said that PigPen was just informing us.
I appreciate PigPen for posting this piece of information personally. Gerry's death affected alot of people, even those that dint know him and are not in the know.


I used to really enjoy this forum, but it appears that alot of people see this forum as a place to put their 'bully/arrogant/asshole' head on.
And this isn't solely directed at you tektrog, Your post just fuelled what i've been thinking for a while.

I second your sentiment entirely, well said.
I was glad to see a reminder of the case, as I must admit that it had slipped my mind. I would hate to think that Gerry's life had been lost & forgotten in such a short time. That we should lose interest or be disaffected before the case has even come to trial is a very sad indictment of the way society is today. Respect ...

[Grav]

this is probly a thread that shouldnt be commented on until its done....

I am inclined to agree. Can folks please hold back on commenting upon the case until it is over.

[frenchie]

its News and should be reported on, without specualtion, which is apparently how it sits at the moment.
facts, ok.
fren
lets keep it that way.

[Blue38]

Well,thanks for the heads up,didn't know when it was coming to trial.


Apart from that,agree with Grav,commentaries not needed at mo :thumbu:

[joebaddy]

Think that was uncalled for, I believe like shaggy said that PigPen was just informing us.
I appreciate PigPen for posting this piece of information personally. Gerry's death affected alot of people, even those that dint know him and are not in the know.


I used to really enjoy this forum, but it appears that alot of people see this forum as a place to put their 'bully/arrogant/asshole' head on.
And this isn't solely directed at you tektrog, Your post just fuelled what i've been thinking for a while.

Well put Boo. Agree with everything you say.
;)

[TektroG]

Alright calm down you lot.

I've just had a butchers at Pig Pen's profile, who appears to be a contributor on here, if somewhat infrequent. My initial reaction was that it was possibly a journo scumbag posting to see if they could stir it up, hence the comment.

[Blue38]

Alright calm down you lot.

I've just had a butchers at Pig Pen's profile, who appears to be a contributor on here, if somewhat infrequent. My initial reaction was that it was possibly a journo scumbag posting to see if they could stir it up, hence the comment.

Fair enough,we do get them :)

[Grav]

Indeed we do.

I know Pigpen from another place. He meant no harm in reminding us of what is about to occur and once again I ask that folks refrain from commenting until the case is over. Feelings will be running very high in certain places right now and will be for a few weeks yet. We have all felt the effects of this in various ways this year. so let us all be sensible and keep the peace.

[TektroG]

I used to really enjoy this forum, but it appears that alot of people see this forum as a place to put their 'bully/arrogant/asshole' head on.
And this isn't solely directed at you tektrog

Got no intention of keeping the peace. BOOIE - OUTSIDE, NOW!!
:D:p

[Blue38]

Indeed we do.

I know Pigpen from another place. He meant no harm in reminding us of what is about to occur and once again I ask that folks refrain from commenting until the case is over. Feelings will be running very high in certain places right now and will be for a few weeks yet. We have all felt the effects of this in various ways this year. so let us all be sensible and keep the peace.


Concur,avidly

[booie2]

Got no intention of keeping the peace. BOOIE - OUTSIDE, NOW!!
:D:p


Yeah, bring it on if you think your hard enough, lol :D

[Bosun]

viagras great stuff :)










































(sorry booie)

[TektroG]

Yeah, bring it on if you think your hard enough, lol :D

Watch out you only live down the road from me...:eek:

[booie2]

Watch out you only live down the road from me...:eek:


lol, do i?, where bouts are you then?
gobby shites us southerners int we, lol

[joebaddy]

Concur,avidly


why do you 'concur' with everyone. are you a Barrister then, cos that's legal speak. :rolleyes:

[joebaddy]

lol, do i?, where bouts are you then?
gobby shites us southerners int we, lol

Oi !!! stop flirting you. :D:D

[TektroG]

Things are looking up. Winchester

Only an hour ago I was a bully/asshole;)

[booie2]

Things are looking up. Winchester

Only an hour ago I was a bully/asshole;)


Yeah but you explained you thought it was a journo, so i kind of forgave ya,

I was in Winchester a week ago Sunday, I parked my bike across road from Next and when i started her up, people scowled at me, coz i made them jump, made me laugh. :D

[Sir Ewok]

why do you 'concur' with everyone. are you a Barrister then, cos that's legal speak. :rolleyes:

Concur is English and is common usage, lawyers only use it because they can't spell agree......:p

[Urban Terrorist]

this is probly a thread that shouldnt be commented on until its done....

Well they won't now, it's gone off on a right load of shite:rolleyes:

[Sir Ewok]

Well they won't now, it's gone off on a right load of shite:rolleyes:

Unfortunately, that is the way it goes however serious it starts out.

I didn't know Gerry but would be interested in updated (genuine) information on how the case is going. Gerry was a Bro, even though most here didn't know him we are connected by the common love of the biker lifestyle.

[Suzukiron]

NAE CLASS!!

Later
Ron

[Pigpen]

Alright calm down you lot.

I've just had a butchers at Pig Pen's profile, who appears to be a contributor on here, if somewhat infrequent. My initial reaction was that it was possibly a journo scumbag posting to see if they could stir it up, hence the comment.

I'm a 53 year old bricklayer who rides a Harley softail, and has been riding continuously since I was 18.
I was sufficiently moved by the circumstances of Mr Tobins death to ride up to London and take part in his funeral procession. The repercusions to our lifestyle since then are well known to everyone on here.
These two reasons are why I shall take an interest in this court case, and I assumed that others would have an equal interest.
P.S. The reason for the infrequent posts is that after biking and sailing I don't have that much spare time for computing.

[booie2]

Unfortunately, that is the way it goes however serious it starts out.


It went this way, as we were all asked to not comment on the case, not once but twice, concured by several, however, i am sure as night follows day, that the respect here for Gerry and his memory, that when we do have some news on the case, all the frivolity will cease.

[joebaddy]

That fooking word concurred. One uses it and so everyone follows suit like sheep. Not you Boo cos you are bootiful and was only quoting. :D:D

But on a serious note I agree with what you say - again. I take the matter of Gerry very seriously as did everyone of us who rode with him on his last journey. But news is news and it has to and will be, commented on as it happens, though speculation is dangerous I have to agree. But no one has speculated on this thread anyway as far as I can see.

[kitkatman]

I'm a 53 year old bricklayer who rides a Harley softail, and has been riding continuously since I was 18.
I was sufficiently moved by the circumstances of Mr Tobins death to ride up to London and take part in his funeral procession. The repercusions to our lifestyle since then are well known to everyone on here.
These two reasons are why I shall take an interest in this court case, and I assumed that others would have an equal interest.
P.S. The reason for the infrequent posts is that after biking and sailing I don't have that much spare time for computing.

enough said mate.......some people dont have to be on here 24/7 to contribute....thanks for the update/reminder and hopefully justice ( of whatever kind) will prevail and the fuckers will rot in hell

[joebaddy]

I'm a 53 year old bricklayer who rides a Harley softail, and has been riding continuously since I was 18.
I was sufficiently moved by the circumstances of Mr Tobins death to ride up to London and take part in his funeral procession. The repercusions to our lifestyle since then are well known to everyone on here.
These two reasons are why I shall take an interest in this court case, and I assumed that others would have an equal interest.
P.S. The reason for the infrequent posts is that after biking and sailing I don't have that much spare time for computing.

Fair comment Pigpen, you stand your corner mate. Your entitled. ;)

[jimmymoonlite]

Ahem..........er............'ere, is'nt it really shyte weather we are having??

It was pretty shyte on the way home from the Whitley Bay Festival of Motorcycling last year 'n all which coincidentally was the same weekend as the Bulldog.............made good time mind from THE TOON till I got onto the M40 and got snarled up in stationary traffic.

I attended London too for the following very sad occasion and I was moved, humbled and yeah, proud I guess to be only one of thousands who felt the need to pay respect to a downed brother.

"Gentleman Gerry".........I never met him, never knew him but like many my life has been touched by his passing.

R.I.P. Bro................deep, deep respect ................not forgotten...

EverReady

[Blue38]

why do you 'concur' with everyone. are you a Barrister then, cos that's legal speak. :rolleyes:


concurring is a man thing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :D:D

[BigRedMachineLondon]

Hi all.
My personal view is that I see no reason at all why it shouldn't be commented on...
I'm guessing that 99% of people on here already know the basics behind the fact that Gerry was shot from behind whilst riding his bike by a car full of outlaws, and believe me when I say nothing written in the press, forums or anyplace else for that matter will ever change my memory of being sat next to my brother as they pronounced him dead.

[Urban Terrorist]

Nothing to say to that. Just hope they get whats coming to them.:mad:

[joebaddy]

Hi all.
My personal view is that I see no reason at all why it shouldn't be commented on...
I'm guessing that 99% of people on here already know the basics behind the fact that Gerry was shot from behind whilst riding his bike by a car full of outlaws, and believe me when I say nothing written in the press, forums or anyplace else for that matter will ever change my memory of being sat next to my brother as they pronounced him dead.

I feel like I should say something in reply to this, but to be honest, for once I'm lost for words other than to say, you have my personal deepest respect and support always.

Joe

[Ezri]

I dont see a problem with commenting on this, respectfully of course. But speculating is another thing altogether.

Much respect to BigRedMachine.

[The Beer Monsters]

I dont see a problem with commenting on this, respectfully of course. But speculating is another thing altogether.

Much respect to BigRedMachine.
Indeed.

<moderator>
As long as the only comments on here are respect and fact, then all's good.
</moderator>

[joebaddy]

They were only swearing the jury in today. Trial expected to last for 8 weeks so its gonna be a long haul. wish i'd been called for jury service on this one.

[Nufkamp]

They were only swearing the jury in today. Trial expected to last for 8 weeks so its gonna be a long haul. wish i'd been called for jury service on this one.

The defence lawyers would have sniffed you out as a biker within seconds and objected to you.

[Taff]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1066782/Bikers-descend-court-solidarity-Hells-Angels-trial-M40-murder.html

[shaggy696969]

They couldnt even get the Heading right.

[Nufkamp]

They couldnt even get the Heading right.


And that bloody apostrophe makes yet another appearance!

[bird]

They couldnt even get the Heading right.

Unbelievably poor sub-editing. Bloody amateurs.

[Blue38]

Ok,I didn't mean commenting,speculating more like.
Anyone who knows me knows how I feel about cowards who can't/won't/don't face people. Why have those outside court got their faces covered?????????:rolleyes:

My respect will always be with Gerry,his family and his brothers,always

[knuckle]

They couldn't even get the Heading right.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1066782/Bikers-descend-court-solidarity-Hells-Angels-trial-M40-murder.html

Ridiculous who's going on trial????:mad:

Just goes to show what the outside world know....Fuck all!

[joebaddy]

Paper should be sued for making such a monumental blunder as that. That is an insult to everything Gerry and his family, brothers and friends believe in.

Bloody stupid journo wankers. :mad:

[Louis]

With respect to all concerned the Mail appears to be a foul rag that should be treated the same as the Sun newspaper is treated in Liverpool...

[Urban Terrorist]

Yet again the media screw up the details, and people still belive the crap they print:rolleyes:

[Urban Terrorist]

Ok,I didn't mean commenting,speculating more like.
Anyone who knows me knows how I feel about cowards who can't/won't/don't face people. Why have those outside court got their faces covered?????????:rolleyes:

My respect will always be with Gerry,his family and his brothers,always


Same reason why they shot Gerry from behind, cos they are cowards that can't face people:mad::mad:

[knuckle]

See the mail have taken their comments page off this storey this morning.....LOL

Don't like being called fucking wankers I guess...:thumbsu:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1066782/Bikers-descend-court-solidarity-Hells-Angels-trial-M40-murder.html

[Choprocker]

They were only swearing the jury in today. Trial expected to last for 8 weeks so its gonna be a long haul. wish i'd been called for jury service on this one.

With ya there m8.
just recentley done jury service on a shooting/murder, found him guilty and he got 33yrs 25 b4 parole for the murder 5 yrs for a gun found (not the 1 used in the murder) and 3 yrs for drugs.

[wearthefoxhat]

With respect to all concerned the Mail appears to be a foul rag that should be treated the same as the Sun newspaper is treated in Liverpool...

The newspapers used to report news. Now all they are interested in is selling more newspapers by sensationalist reports.

If you wanted the news and nothing but the news; no political spin, no outrage stories, read the Financial Times

[Juke]

When I clicked on Taff's link and saw the guy in the trenchcoat and glasses, I was shocked and dissappointed really. Only he know's his reasons for dressing like that, but if it's because he wants to hide his identity, then remove the patch fella.........coz that's a giveaway! :rolleyes:

The one thing that got my back up was the image of the guy in the background smiling right across his face. What does he have to smile about ffs?! Some 7 of his bro's are likely to be put away for a crime that brings thier club no respect at all. I guess those who wear BP's will understand this kind of emotion, but as someone who is an outsider, I don't understand it at all. :confused:

Whatever happens, whoever dresses up or why, I just hope justice is served for the sake of HA everywhere, Gerry's family but especially for Becky. This week must be one of the hardest of her life, and I feel for her deeply. The HA have lost a true brother, and a very respected member of the 'family' but Becky has lost her soulmate, and those are very hard things to find in this life.

[Kylie]

Juke - it is Becky I feel for most in all this too. I hope she has a lot of support, I know I would need it to get through a court case and all the media attention. Losing a loved one is bad enough, but to have to relive it all again over a year later must be hell.

[frenchie]

one of them just pleaded guilty on the court steps. The other 6 go into trial

[Juke]

I am sure the Club will support Becky all they can Kylie, but thier love and support of her will never ease what these gutless people have taken away from her.............:(

I am also sure that, like Gerry, Becky is in alot of peoples hearts and thoughts, and will be for a very long time to come..........;)

[frenchie]

just a thought, (wheres legal Miss when you want her) if one gets sentenced for murder, and presumably he was the shooter, will the others get manslaughter and do much less time or can the prosecution still charge murder?

Wonder who decided to hang that one out to dry then. .. . .

fren
p.s capital punishment in a case like this, cold blooded premeditated and planned.
p.p.s hi woodster

[Kylie]

I'm not a legal eagle, but I would imagine it does have some implication as only 1 pulled the trigger. Accessory to murder might be the alternative sentence for the others?

[Juke]

Just how will they ever find out exactly who pulled the trigger unless they find the weapon? Or one of the other guys in the car crumbles and sells out his bro?

[frenchie]

how odd. More just came up on Sky, apparently pled last week but the info was surpressed until today. Methinks legalities? anyone any idea?

[joebaddy]

sickening thing is, the bastard who pleaded guilty will have a lesser senta-ence imposed now cos the stupid legal system will take into account that he, saved public money by admitting his cowardly deed and, 'of course he is feeling very remorseful', didnt know what he was doing, cos he had a bad dream and the 'devil' told him to do it, or that he is insane.

He needs taking by the scruff of the neck and torturing.

[Juke]

Is he the one who pulled the trigger, or is he just in a better position to do the time?
Does anyone care, coz even 25yrs inside aint enough punishment for what they did. Unless they get locked up with some nutter who is bigger and a whole lot harder then he is!

[knuckle]

Man pleads guilty to murder of Hells Angel

October 3, 2008

BIRMINGHAM, ENGLAND –– A man has pleaded guilty to shooting dead a Hells Angel on a motorway as he returned from a festival last year.

At Birmingham crown court yesterday, Sean Creighton, a 44 year old from Coventry, admitted murdering Gerry Tobin. For legal reasons, his plea could not be reported until today.

Creighton had previously denied killing the 35-year-old biker but changed his plea ahead of the trial of six other men accused of killing Tobin near junction 12 of the M40 in August last year.

Tobin, who lived in Mottingham, south-east London, worked as a mechanic at a Harley-Davidson garage.

A post-mortem examination found he died from single gunshot wound to the back of his head on the Warwickshire stretch of the motorway, as a he returned from the Bulldog Bash bikers' festival.

Creighton, who also admitted two firearms charges, was remanded in custody yesterday and will be sentenced at the end of the trial, which is expected to last for up to six weeks.

A jury was sworn in today and is expected to begin hearing evidence in the case next week.

Mr Justice Treacy, who lifted a restriction prohibiting the media from reporting Creighton's pleas, warned jurors not to conduct their own investigations into the killing of Tobin.

Karl Garside, 45, pleaded not guilty to murder during a previous hearing in February, while Simon Turner, 41, Dane Garside, 42, Malcolm Bull, 53, Dean Taylor, 47, and 46-year-old Ian Cameron entered their not guilty pleas last December.

All six men also face a charge of possessing a shotgun, while Turner and Dane Garside are further charged with possessing a firearm with intent to endanger life.

[Taff]

What a fucking bell end.


http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/363/article106678202dffacc0oy1.jpg http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/286/8039431378a019a3802b611vr4.jpg

[Lyn]

What a fucking bell end.


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Absolutely, Embarrassing

[Simon B]

Praps the coppers gone to hug a hoodie or he's saying your the worst charlie chaplin impersonator Ive ever seen

[Pigpen]

His mum must have gone to work early, and left him to get dressed on his own.

[odie]

a hoodie

Was thinking along the same lines myself, stick him outside a shop in a council estate and he would fit right in.

[Juke]

errr dont most of us wear hooded sweatshirts? Does that make us all 'hoodies''? Fukkin' hope not..................:rolleyes:
I am grateful of my hoodie when I am freezing me nuts off at a rally in the early hours.
The bowler hat is a bit of a 'statement' though I must say.
Maybe they are 'marked men' and therefore wanna hide their identity a little. I would have thought removal of the patch would have been a little more effective! Or better still,, stay away from a place that would be swarming in ol' bill who were probably taking pics of every member there anyway. :rolleyes: But then after thier recent behaviour, shouldn't think they give a fukk!

I would be more concerned about the Mail's usage of words in the headline of the news report! :eek:

[Kylie]

I'm wearing a hoodie at the moment.... But not with the hood up!

The Mail needs to do some serious work on their researchers/writers - that headline is a monumental cock up

[Born2bVile]

just a thought, (wheres legal Miss when you want her) if one gets sentenced for murder, and presumably he was the shooter, will the others get manslaughter and do much less time or can the prosecution still charge murder?

I could give you an answer,but it would involve a lot of speculation and probably start even more.

Best to wait and see how this all turns out.

[The Beer Monsters]

Yesterday Daily Mail online published a story where the term 'Hell's Angels' was used in reference to the bikers who turned up to support the men accused of murdering Gerry Tobin. We would like to make it clear that these men are members of the Outlaws motorcycle club and not the Hell's Angels motorcycle club.
Penny, drop?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1067491/Man-pleads-guilty-M40-Hells-Angels-murder-bikers-face-trial.html

[Pigpen]

I could give you an answer,but it would involve a lot of speculation and probably start even more.

Best to wait and see how this all turns out.

I'm with you there. My emotional side is screaming out to reply to Frenchies question, but my sensible side says it's best not put into print.

[odie]

Was thinking along the same lines myself, stick him outside a shop in a council estate and he would fit right in.

what i ment was hoodie and mask, same as chavs wear!

[Ezri]

The one thing that got my back up was the image of the guy in the background smiling right across his face. What does he have to smile about ffs?!.

Perhaps he was laughing at the fucking moron in the fancy dress? Laughable doesnt always mean funny.

[Urban Terrorist]

Well I'm glad at least the Mail has made some kind of apology, I did in fact send them this e-mail, I'm sure I wasn't the only one. Reading it back, i think I could have sent a better one, But as usual I just dived in:rolleyes:

Bikers descend on court in show of solidarity as six Hell's Angels go on trial for M40 murder
By Andy Dolan

I always thought the Mail was one of the papers that wasn't into the sensationalism journalism like other papers, but clearly I am wrong after reading this article. A hundred hells angels did not decend on court yesterday, they were members of the Outlaw MC. Just because they are bikers does not make them Hells Angels. The HAMC is a motorcycle club, not a general term for all bikers. It is always used in the media to get peoples attention,for example instead of pub fight, it's a hells angels war. This shows a very poor level of journalism, and if you can't take the time to write truthful articles without misleading the public then you really shouldn't bother. This article is not only a insult to the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club, it is an insult to the friends and family of Gerry Tobin.

[Ezri]

I did in fact send them this e-mail, I'm sure I wasn't the only one.

No, you wernt. ;)

[griff2000]

Good on yer UT.
As for the case pleas, if matey has pleaded guilty to murder and there were others in the car, that would make them accessories to the fact, therefore guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. Which also carries a life sentence.

[joebaddy]

Well I'm glad at least the Mail has made some kind of apology, I did in fact send them this e-mail, I'm sure I wasn't the only one. Reading it back, i think I could have sent a better one, But as usual I just dived in:rolleyes:

Bikers descend on court in show of solidarity as six Hell's Angels go on trial for M40 murder
By Andy Dolan

I always thought the Mail was one of the papers that wasn't into the sensationalism journalism like other papers, but clearly I am wrong after reading this article. A hundred hells angels did not decend on court yesterday, they were members of the Outlaw MC. Just because they are bikers does not make them Hells Angels. The HAMC is a motorcycle club, not a general term for all bikers. It is always used in the media to get peoples attention,for example instead of pub fight, it's a hells angels war. This shows a very poor level of journalism, and if you can't take the time to write truthful articles without misleading the public then you really shouldn't bother. This article is not only a insult to the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club, it is an insult to the friends and family of Gerry Tobin.


I sent a similar one but I was a bit more graphic and called the idiotic journalist a wanker.

[BigBod]

Erm, I was a bit more graphic also...:eek:

[J Top]

The Twats are all old codgers, I would have thought they would have more sense by that age. Thats the sort of behaviour I would expect from the 18 to 35 age group. One minor consulation is that Life Imprisonment is probably just that and if prison life doesnt finish them, old age will

[Juke]

Well I'm glad at least the Mail has made some kind of apology, I did in fact send them this e-mail, I'm sure I wasn't the only one. Reading it back, i think I could have sent a better one, But as usual I just dived in:rolleyes:

Bikers descend on court in show of solidarity as six Hell's Angels go on trial for M40 murder
By Andy Dolan

I always thought the Mail was one of the papers that wasn't into the sensationalism journalism like other papers, but clearly I am wrong after reading this article. A hundred hells angels did not decend on court yesterday, they were members of the Outlaw MC. Just because they are bikers does not make them Hells Angels. The HAMC is a motorcycle club, not a general term for all bikers. It is always used in the media to get peoples attention,for example instead of pub fight, it's a hells angels war. This shows a very poor level of journalism, and if you can't take the time to write truthful articles without misleading the public then you really shouldn't bother. This article is not only a insult to the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club, it is an insult to the friends and family of Gerry Tobin.


Rob, most of the time I think you talk like a twat (:p) but after reading your mail to the paper, for once i am totally in agreement with you. Well done fella! You get a gold star for your effort mate. ;) :D

[Taff]

Very well written, direct, and eloquent.
For a shaven headed nazi gun waving thug.

[Juke]

Very well written, direct, and eloquent.
For a shaven headed nazi gun waving thug.

Knowing UT as we do Taff, I suspect it was actually his missus who wrote it! I mean, can Rob even spell?...........:p

[Urban Terrorist]

Knowing UT as we do Taff, I suspect it was actually his missus who wrote it! I mean, can Rob even spell?...........:p

Cheeky cow!! My mssus can't even send e-mails, so it's clear it was me. or maybe it was my 7yr daughter?!!!:D

[Urban Terrorist]

Very well written, direct, and eloquent.
For a shaven headed nazi gun waving thug.

yes, we got away from youth or youngster:thumbsu::thumbsu:

[Blue38]

Well I'm glad at least the Mail has made some kind of apology, I did in fact send them this e-mail, I'm sure I wasn't the only one. Reading it back, i think I could have sent a better one, But as usual I just dived in:rolleyes:

Bikers descend on court in show of solidarity as six Hell's Angels go on trial for M40 murder
By Andy Dolan

I always thought the Mail was one of the papers that wasn't into the sensationalism journalism like other papers, but clearly I am wrong after reading this article. A hundred hells angels did not decend on court yesterday, they were members of the Outlaw MC. Just because they are bikers does not make them Hells Angels. The HAMC is a motorcycle club, not a general term for all bikers. It is always used in the media to get peoples attention,for example instead of pub fight, it's a hells angels war. This shows a very poor level of journalism, and if you can't take the time to write truthful articles without misleading the public then you really shouldn't bother. This article is not only a insult to the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club, it is an insult to the friends and family of Gerry Tobin.

Mine was along the same lines,not as polite though:rolleyes:

[Urban Terrorist]

Mine was along the same lines,not as polite though:rolleyes:

Well my first attempt was quite rude, but by doing that, your just enforcing their beliefs that we are a bunch of rude criminal scum bags!!:rolleyes::D

[Blue38]

Well my first attempt was quite rude, but by doing that, your just enforcing their beliefs that we are a bunch of rude criminal scum bags!!:rolleyes::D

What,you trying to say i'm not?? :DOnly joking and it wasn't profane,just rude,lol:o

[Sir Ewok]

The use of terms such as 'Hell's Angel' to describe any outlaw, back patch or misbehaving biker is just journalistic shorthand, which is not to say it is right. When the HA is mentioned it conjures up a stereotypical type of biker in Joe Public's mind. I am glad you put the twats right. I have been running my own crusade for ages against papers describing 'Bike Thieves' as Bikers.

The same sort of verbal shorthand gets us saying Biro for ballpoint pen and Hoover for a vacuum cleaner. Biro have tried to stop it but it is too ingrained in the public psyche to erase.:unsure:

[joebaddy]

Your right there SE. It just goes to show who rule el supremo !!!!

However in this instance it is a dangerous thing to use 'Hells Angel' as a blanket term and to put the 'other' scumbags in the same category is unthinkable.

I checked out 'their' web site and on the guest book they have added in red letter, 'please do not write anything derogatory'. twats.

[knuckle]

Well written UT.

I made the first and by the looks of it the only comment on the feature below the story where you can enter a comment.

Needless to say it did not appear and then the choice to comment was withdrawn. :eek:

At least they have learnt something from it. We HOPE!

[Ezri]

Well my first attempt was quite rude, but by doing that, your just enforcing their beliefs that we are a bunch of rude criminal scum bags!!:rolleyes::D

Indeed. I had to go away and do something else for several hours before I penned my objections to the article. Its possible to be scathing and polite at the same time and its also much more frustrating for the recipients as they cant simply dismiss you as a whinging thug.

[Ezri]

The use of terms such as 'Hell's Angel' to describe any outlaw, back patch or misbehaving biker is just journalistic shorthand, which is not to say it is right. When the HA is mentioned it conjures up a stereotypical type of biker in Joe Public's mind. I am glad you put the twats right. I have been running my own crusade for ages against papers describing 'Bike Thieves' as Bikers.

The same sort of verbal shorthand gets us saying Biro for ballpoint pen and Hoover for a vacuum cleaner. Biro have tried to stop it but it is too ingrained in the public psyche to erase.:unsure:

Indeed. Hilariously (or maybe not) some members of the non biking public assume all bikers are HA, probably because they dont know what the HA is. Classic example, I've been asked if Im HA, last I looked there were no girls in the HA. :rolleyes:

[Ezri]

Well written UT.

I made the first and by the looks of it the only comment on the feature below the story where you can enter a comment.

Needless to say it did not appear and then the choice to comment was withdrawn. :eek:

At least they have learnt something from it. We HOPE!

Hmmm, I guess the comments wernt all that positive then. :rolleyes:

I emailed the writer, editors directly as well as printing the emails out and posting them, including to the owners, to be signed for.

I am expecting a reply! (But not holding breath). :mad:

[Nufkamp]

I also chose to use the 'add a comment' link at the foot of the page, but in common with most cases where the author/editor/monkey-with-a-biro has been a total plank they dont acknowledge their innaccuracies.

[Ezri]

I also chose to use the 'add a comment' link at the foot of the page, but in common with most cases where the author/editor/monkey-with-a-biro has been a total plank they dont acknowledge their innaccuracies.

Probably because they would need to pay a whole team of people to sort through their daily innaccuracies. The only difference between a newspaper and a comic is the latter isnt trying to pretend to be factual. :rolleyes:

[joebaddy]

I'm liking what I'm hearing from the prosecution on their opening gambit.

[Juke]

Nothing the prosecution has said has come as a great surprise to me really.

What saddened me more, was the sight of poor Rebecca, who seems to have aged so much this past year or so, but can still hold herself with dignity. The pain she feels is etched across her face. Not only have the guilty taken away Gerry's life, but it seems they have also destroyed hers and have left her with scars that will never heal............:( My thoughts, deepest sympathy and greatest respect goes to Becky, whom I have never even met. To keep your anger in check when sitting across the room from those who have taken so much way from you, must be equally as hard for her, as for Gerry's bro's.
I am sure Gerry is there with them all, and from his spirit they will all get some strength.

One thought keep returning to me, and that is....''what goes around...........''

[Ezri]

One thought keep returning to me, and that is....''what goes around...........''

Lets hope so.

I never had the chance to meet Gerry or his family but judging by what I've heard from those who have, not to mention the photographs I've seen of Gerry smiling brightly, this is my loss.

I very much hope justice is served and the family are able to begin to rebuild their lives after this trial.

[frenchie]

the cctv evidence appears very damming, Tv running a small section on the trail every evening news every day here 'cos its Central TV.
fren