Tom Jones - The moral dilemma

[RedRobbie]

If you was on a jury and Tom Jones was on trial for killing Delilah as described in his song, would you convict him? The only evidence to his defence are the songs lyrics.

[bunbag]

If you was on a jury and Tom Jones was on trial for killing Delilah as described in his song, would you convict him? The only evidence to his defence are the songs lyrics. :cool: innocent ( alex harvey guilty) :rolleyes:

[Rabid1]

Guilty as charged and bring back hanging not only for murdering Delilah but also for murdering every song he ever sang

[technoboiler]

if the only evidense for his defence are the lyrics, then he is guilty of murder.
You cannot get off a murder charge by pleading unfaithfullness! :o

[captaincondom]

iinnocent coz its a woz wolf anthem :) http://www.wozwolf.co.uk/

[Dougie]

Guilty as charged and bring back hanging not only for murdering Delilah but also for murdering every song he ever sang
Who?Tom Jones or Alex Harvey?

[memnoch]

Innocent - Crime of Passion...

Anyway, anyone laughed at me like that, I'd fcukin stab em too.... :D

[Miss Demeanour]

Guilty, obviously.

The story is mitigation, not a valid defence in itself.

(however could be evidence of provocation, however I somehow doubt it would be enough.)

[Dougie]

Alex Harvey was FRAMED! :mad:

[RedRobbie]

I would go for manslaughter on the grounds of provocation and diminished responsibility. "She stood there laughing ha ha ha " however his turning up already holding the knife would weaken the previouse argument. If the jury consisted entirly of men it would be necessary to point out her recent piccadillo's and for good measure state the obviouse, in that her name is Delilah and therefore she must be a slapper.

8 YEAR SENTENCE WITH 5 SUSPENDED. time off for good behaviour could see him released in 2 to 3 years.

[Miss Demeanour]

I would go for manslaughter on the grounds of provocation and diminished responsibility. "She stood there laughing ha ha ha " however his turning up already holding the knife would weaken the previouse argument. If the jury consisted entirly of men it would be necessary to point out her recent piccadillo's and for good measure state the obviouse, in that her name is Delilah and therefore she must be a slapper.

8 YEAR SENTENCE WITH 5 SUSPENDED. time off for good behaviour could see him released in 2 to 3 years.

Diminished responsibility? a little tenous. You can't establish dim resp if someone just lost their temper! however probably for the sake of brevity the song doesn't go into the accused's psychological background.

Provocation is a little more realistic. And I think your sentence is a little optimistic, Your Lordship, I'd be applying to the Attorney General immediately.

[RedRobbie]

Diminished responsibility on the ground of temporary insanity , brought on by by the harlots unreasonable behaviour.

This is a crime of passion with a strong provocation enabling justifyable motive.
Further more there was no attempt to escape justice on the part of Mr Jones this should be taken into accout when sentencing

2 to 3 years no previous record

Manslaughter

[RedRobbie]

Case law on this I would be reliant on - The Crown Vs Rodgers -
case of justifyable homicide and a suspended sentence was given to Mr Kenny Rodgers after killing Ruby for taking her love to town.

[Miss Demeanour]

Diminished responsibility on the ground of temporary insanity , brought on by by the harlots unreasonable behaviour.

This is a crime of passion with a strong provocation enabling justifyable motive

Hm. If he had witnessed the unreasonable behaviour on a number of occasions, then perhaps I'd go for the temporary insanity. but otherwise it'd be a simple loss if temper.

provocation - could be a valid arguement, but it was still premeditated.

Crime of passion - while OK in France, would only afford mitigation here.

'justifyable motive'? lordy. Good god no.

[Miss Demeanour]

Case law on this I would be reliant on - The Crown Vs Rodgers -
case of justifyable homicide and a suspended sentence was given to Mr Kenny Rodgers after killing Ruby for taking her love to town.

heh heh heh

[Miss Demeanour]

Further more there was no attempt to escape justice on the part of Mr Jones

Not relevant.


2 to 3 years no previous record

Unlikely. I'd guess at 8-10 with a 10-12 starting point, owing to it being a violent crime, reduction for good character.


Manslaughter

probably. on a good day, if it was offered as a substitute charge.

[RedRobbie]

I would appreciate it ,given the gravity of the charge, that the prosecution conducts itself in a considerably more professional mannor and refrains from the outrageous antics of sniggering in court. I submit .

[mr.chaz]

" Forgive me Delilah .... I need your v*gina no more..."

Guilty as charged m'lud!

I'd peel his skin from his body and roll him in salt.
That'll teach him to walk around looking like an old satsuma.

[Miss Demeanour]

I would appreciate it ,given the gravity of the charge, that the prosecution conducts itself in a considerably more professional mannor and refrains from the outrageous antics of sniggering in court. I submit .

If it pleases Your Honour, I was merely clearing my throat before rebutting the, if I may say, quite outrageous defence submitted by my Learned Friend, Mr Robbie.

Mr Jones can clearly not be trusted in public, and is a danger to women. Whilst Ms Delilah's actions could be considered morally dubious, to say the least, I submit that no decent society should permit the punshment for infidelity be that of death. I also submit that Mr Jones took it into his own hands to mete out that punishment.

Although we have no evidence from his former girlfriends as to his propensity for violent conduct, the pure and simple result is that Ms Delilah died at Mr Jones hands as a result of her indiscretion, and is quite possibly a danger to other members of society who have cause to rile him. It is said that this was a 'crime of passion', however surely if Mr Jones had any residual feelings for Ms Delilah, he would have have acted in a more compassionate manner - one could suggest that this was nothing more than a retributive act for a dent to his ego.

It cannot even be said to be an act committed in the heat of the moment. There was an admission that Mr Jones went armed, an illegal act in itself, and went to Ms Delilah's address with the sole intention of causing her serious harm, or even death. Whilst this could possibly be grounds for murder in itself, the Crown accepts the current charge is one of manslaughter, arguably not an appropriate charge for a violent premeditated act. However in view of this violence involved, the death caused and and that Mr Jones appears to think nothing of walking the streets armed, I would urge the jury to move to convict.

I thank you, Your Lordship.

[Friar Tuck]

Objection your Honour, my learned colleague is leading the witness on hypothesis only.........!

[RedRobbie]

[QUOTE=Mr Jones appears to think nothing of walking the streets armed, I would urge the jury to move to convict.

I thank you, Your Lordship.[/QUOTE]

Mi Lod.
In response to the very eloquent and articulated blatherings put forward by the prosecution, I would submit that Mr jones be judged purely on the facts presented here and not on the meandering hypothesis presented from a feminist bias.

Since this unforunate occoured Mr Jones has shown nothing but compassion and regret towards his victim. Indeed he has asked her forgivnes on a number of occasions. Are these the actions of a man who constitutes a threat to other women? I say no.
Mr Jones is a simple man who'se only pleasures in life are a good curry and an after dinner cigar. A simple man who fell victim to the exsessive trappings of international fame and all the stresses associated with it.
From Las Vegas to Swansea women make themselves available to Mr Jones attempting to entice him for their own sexual gratification. In fact Mr Jones ,on numerous occasions, has had ladies scanty underwear hurled at him from great distances whilst delivering a perfomance on stage.

Mr Jones is as much a victim of these circumstances as is the Unfortunate Delilah. He was pushed and goaded and eventualy riddiculed by a woman who at best can only be described as an emotional harriden.Leading ultimatly to a moments madness resulting in her death.

I ask the court to show leniency towards mr Jones and dissmiss all charges held against him.

[poridge wog]

my learned colleagues i would like to enter a final witness in this case , namely one mr weetabicks, who i have it on good authority enticed mr jones into carrying out said act so that they could hijack the tune for their own advertising needs and on this evidence i sudjest. case dismissed

[Crofty]

There was an admission that Mr Jones went armed, an illegal act in itself,
The knife may have been a bread knife, he could have been making a sandwich when her indiscretions became apparent to him.

[Dusty]

" she stood there laughing,I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more"

"Now maybe she had stabbed him in the hand and that stopped her laughing,in summing up m'lord, at no time did Mr Jones admit to stabbing the old slut,and with this new evidence,i call for a mistrial "

[hellkat]

Culinary side note:
Perhaps he was making himself some buttered weetabix at the time. A very tasty snack, with strawberry jam.

Of course, the butter may have been being used during the performance of said indiscretion . . . which might make the evidence a bit difficult to identify :eek:

[DANNY]

Just hang the old Welsh git and be done with it.

[Sir Ewok]

Surely one is allowed to butcher a sheep as long as you are registered with the MAFFia! If you have an accredited abattoir, what's the problem, at worst slaughtering a sheep in your own home would be merely a health and safety issue, with Hygene overtones!