Nightster

[gothtec]

Read the local press review of the Harley Nightster.

They liked it, but had quality issues.

But reading the figures I just kept laughing....

1200cc engine - My dragstar 650cc
50bhp - dragstar 43/44bhp
100mph topspeed - Dragstar 100mph topspeed
£6,695 - Dragstar £5500

How can a 1200cc engine be so sh*t?

[Hillbilly Deluxe]

re-sale value ?
availability of aftermarket spares/tuning bits ?

[shaggy696969]

You buy the Label ........ The same way a BMW driver does.

[madastoast]

Read the local press review of the Harley Nightster.

They liked it, but had quality issues.

But reading the figures I just kept laughing....

1200cc engine - My dragstar 650cc
50bhp - dragstar 43/44bhp
100mph topspeed - Dragstar 100mph topspeed
£6,695 - Dragstar £5500

nightster looks cool- dragstar looks like it's trying to be cool
:D :D :D :D

[Hillbilly Deluxe]

nightster - cool - made out of metal - easy spares availability for ever
dragqueen - a motorcycle - plastic - ????

[madastoast]

nightster = sportster in dark colours = been around for 51 years

dragstar = sportster copy = been around for a lot less :D

[Taff]

Fifteen years later;

Drag Queen:- In a pile of unwanted bits in a breakers someplace, with 25,000 miles on it. Dead.
Shítster:- Still somebody's pride and joy. Been round Europe 6 times, just needs an oil change for the next trip over. Done 100,000 miles. Starts first time every time.

[pagan_flame]

How can a 1200cc engine be so sh*t?

That'll be with the stock pipes and US emissions setup. Be interesting to know what it puts out with the ubiquitous Stage 1 Kit.

[kitkatman]

That'll be with the stock pipes and US emissions setup. Be interesting to know what it puts out with the ubiquitous Stage 1 Kit.
as with everything thats standard.....i needs tinkering with, it has to be tinkered with.....whats the point in having it if you cant tinker with it...be a bit boring if they all stayed the same

[cherryB]

as with everything thats standard.....i needs tinkering with, it has to be tinkered with.....whats the point in having it if you cant tinker with it...be a bit boring if they all stayed the same


Now I'm in desperate need of a bit of tinkering meself. Bloody bikes get more tinkering than I ever get or am ever likely to get unless I find myself a very fit toy boy with lots of tinkering experience. :D :D

[Bassman]

People buy a Harley because of the longevity, resale value, availability of parts to change it to anything you want it to be..not meant to be a sports bike... but can be made into one if you want...

If folk don't mind riding around on an poor imitation pretend Harley .. no problem ..buy a Dragstar... :p

[Nick]

You can't reduce the performance of a bike to a couple of figures. The difference in performance between the two is considerable. The little Sporty pulls like a train, the Dragstar doesn't. When some (unt got in my garage and took me ignition barrel out before getting disturbed, a mate lent me his Dragstar for the week to get to work on. Now as incredibly grateful as I was, and as pleasant a ride as it was (and it was), the motor's got nowt, it's absolutely gutless. Regardless of who makes it or what the figures are, the H*rley is a better bike by a mile.

[erizo]

oh dear, another rice versus pork thread.

it´s different strokes for different folks really. some people want a jap cruiser (as in a bike of that type, not an imitation, in the same way as a `blade not an imitation of an R1 but another type of sportsbike) or feel that the price of a harley can´t be justified.

i ride a yam cruiser, not because i want a harley (i don´t), nor because i can´t afford one (i could buy one tomorrow). i bought it because after riding various harleys over the years and then trying the yam, the yam ticked more boxes for my needs, so i bought it.

some of the clients i get in here have a yearning for a harley, and as a kid have dreamed of owning one. when they ask if they should, i say yes. if there is a possibility of realising a dream, do it, as in this life those chances are very few and far between.

my current and only criticism of harleys at the moment is that they´re WAAAAY overpriced. other than that, i enjoy riding them no more nor less than jap cruisers.

as for the longevity of jap cruisers, amoungst my clients i have 2 500 vulcans with over 90,000 miles, 2 vulcan 800´s with over 100,000 miles, 1 drag star 650 with 80,000 miles, 1 drag star 1100 with 90,000 miles, and a virago 1100 that snapped it´s speedo cable a few years back, so we don´t know exactly how many miles it has, but it´s over 110,000 minimum.

dead in 25,000 miles?........don´t think so!

[booie2]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/booie2_photos/mybike.jpg

Here is my baby, I love her, she's 19, and done 38,000, her name is Betty, and I aint asking for anyone to pick on her, as it aint her fault she weren't born a Harley, but if she was, I wouldn't own her, coz i can't afford a Harley... would I want one....Hell yeah.

[gurnE]

1200cc engine - My dragstar 650cc
50bhp - dragstar 43/44bhp
100mph topspeed - Dragstar 100mph topspeed
£6,695 - Dragstar £5500

I think 78.9lbs/ft vs 37 lbs/ft are the more relevant figures myself? :cool:

I've ridden plenty of 1200 Sportys including the Nightster and a fair few Drag Queens too and I can promise you its the Yamaha which is over priced. ;)

oh dear, another rice versus pork thread.

Absolutely!

[erizo]

I've ridden plenty of 1200 Sportys including the Nightster and a fair few Drag Queens too and I can promise you its the Yamaha which is over priced. ;)


i wouldn´t say overpriced, but deffo underpowered (the new 650 with cat now makes LESS than 30bhp :eek: )

i would prefer to ride the 1200 sporty over the xv650 for fun quality, although due to my stature on both i look like an orang utan shagging a pushbike.

[BlackPig]

....., although due to my stature on both i look like an orang utan shagging a pushbike.


I gotta go an' make another cup o' tea now , FFS !! :D :D

[Hillbilly Deluxe]

I gotta go an' make another cup o' tea now , FFS !! :D :D
ive got bikkies here,do you want one ? :D

[BlackPig]

ive got bikkies here,do you want one ? :D


My mum told me not to take sweets from strangers .....................

















......she didn't say 'owt about biscuits but.......... :D :rolleyes:

[Hillbilly Deluxe]

stranger - moi ? :D just the one mind :cool:

[madastoast]

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/booie2_photos/mybike.jpg

Here is my baby, I love her, she's 19, and done 38,000, her name is Betty, and I aint asking for anyone to pick on her, as it aint her fault she weren't born a Harley, but if she was, I wouldn't own her, coz i can't afford a Harley... would I want one....Hell yeah.
Thanks for showing us your Betty Booie :D

[cherryB]

You can't reduce the performance of a bike to a couple of figures. The difference in performance between the two is considerable. The little Sporty pulls like a train, the Dragstar doesn't. When some (unt got in my garage and took me ignition barrel out before getting disturbed, a mate lent me his Dragstar for the week to get to work on. Now as incredibly grateful as I was, and as pleasant a ride as it was (and it was), the motor's got nowt, it's absolutely gutless. Regardless of who makes it or what the figures are, the H*rley is a better bike by a mile.


Well slap me with a wet fish. I'm gobsmacked I really am. Is that NIK priasing a Harley???? or is it an impersonator :D :D

[shaggy696969]

The Dragstar is underpowered dramatically considering its size. I like what you can do to a 1200 sporty, their just physically too small for me. Harleys are becoming more commonplace thanks to the likes of the Discovery channel and the fact that Japs are outpricing themselves. If only the Americans could put more quality into their bikes, QC is crap on em, they have improved the engine over the years but still build isoff for the money as is the technology used. Ohh and cuctom spares for Jap stuff is now outstriping the HD stuff. Even the yanks are getting in on the act for what they call the Metric crusier market.

[Grav]

Well slap me with a wet fish. I'm gobsmacked I really am. Is that NIK priasing a Harley???? or is it an impersonator :D :D


He's ill.........









snigger......... :D

[cherryB]

i wouldn´t say overpriced, but deffo underpowered (the new 650 with cat now makes LESS than 30bhp :eek: )

i would prefer to ride the 1200 sporty over the xv650 for fun quality, although due to my stature on both i look like an orang utan shagging a pushbike.


errrr excuse me Sir, but you did say Harleys are overpriced. And I would argue the point. Jap cruisers are plastic. drop it and you do loads of damage Harleys are solid as a rock, drop it and ok you might get a few scratches, but your bike wont be written off. Even with my limited knowklege of the mechanics and technical specifications etc., of bikes, I do know quality when I see and I cannot find a bike to match the Harley for quality, with the possible exception of the stock seats which are pretty crap.

I've ridden loads of Jap cruisers and they just dont excite me like a Harley. There's no oomph and they sound like a wet fart. Thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it. :D

[cherryB]

He's ill.........









snigger......... :D

Actually it was an impersonator. Tisnt the Nik as in '100% master editor of all things holy Nik' I was thinking of :eek: :D


CB begs your pardon Sir :o

[dracken1]

My 1400 intruder has had engine mods and has some stomp from a stand still.
but a sorted 1200 sporty with the emission crap taken off it. will stay with me right the way to 100 :)

[Pugwash]

good choice of a bike for a Girlie the Dragstar ,nice none threatining amount of horsepower , bit like a 883 innit :rolleyes:

:p

[pagan_flame]

Well slap me with a wet fish. I'm gobsmacked I really am. Is that NIK priasing a Harley???? or is it an impersonator :D :D
I'm still getting over Taff making a positive comment about a Sportster... :eek: :rolleyes:

[bird]

The Nightster I tested for a week (The one gurnE rode I reckon, with a screamin eagle kit and vance and hines pipes) was the funkiest damn motorcycle I've ever ridden.

Not the best.

Not the nicest.

Not the most comfortable, or the fastest, or the most practical.

But it was the coolest goddamn piece of tinware I've ever slung me leg over.

If I had the money I'd have one like a shot.

And I don't even like Harleys.

[Borg]

it still has a ****ty small tank though

[cherryB]

I'm still getting over Taff making a positive comment about a Sportster... :eek: :rolleyes:


He must have forgotten to take his pills or maybe he just a big softie really and just pretends to be hard. :D

[cherryB]

The Nightster I tested for a week (The one gurnE rode I reckon, with a screamin eagle kit and vance and hines pipes) was the funkiest damn motorcycle I've ever ridden.

Not the best.

Not the nicest.

Not the most comfortable, or the fastest, or the most practical.

But it was the coolest goddamn piece of tinware I've ever slung me leg over.

If I had the money I'd have one like a shot.

And I don't even like Harleys.


And it made you rant like a cowboy :D :D

[bird]

And it made you rant like a cowboy :D :D

:D
Yeah, funny that.


why dosen't my GPz make me turn japanese :o , eh?

[Grav]

GPz's are designed to turn you into a sniggering hooligan......

snigger..... :D

[cherryB]

:D
Yeah, funny that.


why dosen't my GPz make me turn japanese :o , eh?


feking good job it dont, or we would never understand a word you say.

[Pugwash]

HD : Salesperson to Mechanic "quick we've got a girlie testing one of the bikes loosen the engine bolts the vibrations a big selling point and almost a guaranteed sale to them , also make sure you give her the bike in the prettiest colours"

:p

[gothtec]

Bearing in mind I didn't pay full whack for the Dragstar and I've had it tuned a little, I still get a grin factor while riding it and it does what I ask of it (pull stuff like a train). Also bear in mind mind I think that most (uncustomised) harleys are styled like a pile of tat, I'd buy a triumph before getting a harley (unless its a nightrod)...

I just think its a lot of engine for not alot of gain, or are you forced to spend more cash on mods just to get it running properly?

[Bassman]

Not sure how you get to most Harleys look like a piece of tat mate..

especially when you ride an imitation pretend one yourself... :p

[slob]

I have had both and here is my take.


Sporster 1200 XL - Stage 1 tuned

positives
- Pulls like a train no question
- 0- 40 beats most sports bikes off the line
- Corner like it's on rails
- Sound fuckin great

Negatives
- Pre rubber mount engine they shake themselves to death
- too small in stature for 16 stone of pure love machine (me)
- two up is a joke, got to be solo or a pair of sknny lezza's covered in oil for a photo shoot :D
- Small tank as standard
- when drooped brake will punch through engine casing and cost the earth
- Cost of parts generally are horrendous


Dragstar 1100 standard X reg

Positive
- Lower cost of ownership both intial buy and parts and probaly insur.
- Good size footprint. Great for a solo fatty (me) Great two up.
- Can get plenty of custom mods in line with US customs.


Negative
- Sounds like a girl fanny farting through a vag pad as standard
- Nothing ligament tearing about the pull
- feels plastic - is plastic almost all 'chrome' is plastic.
- Wallowy as hell, suspension is extremely floaty
- Cornering is good when pegs are grinding.
- starter motor is wanky as hell needs reinforcement or replacement.

I ratted mine
1. because I fucked up the paint job
2. I don't really like the styling and had to put my mark on it.

Horses for courses but for the price you do get a lot for your money with the jap cruisers and for the average biker it shouldn't be a thing to be ashamed of. I had £3500 o spend and I could get a sportster o a decent size bike. I went for quantity.

I will have another Harley one day but I will not berate hose who go Jap...btw my Sporty cost me a fuckin fortune in repairs when I was commuting it and getting knocked off.

[Taff]

Bearing in mind I didn't pay full whack for the Dragstar and I've had it tuned a little, I still get a grin factor while riding it and it does what I ask of it (pull stuff like a train). Also bear in mind mind I think that most (uncustomised) harleys are styled like a pile of tat, I'd buy a triumph before getting a harley (unless its a nightrod)...

I just think its a lot of engine for not alot of gain, or are you forced to spend more cash on mods just to get it running properly?

Pull like a fucking train??? :rolleyes:
A bastard Drag Queen would struggle to pull the skin off a rice pudding. and you just gotta be fucking jivin' with your dumbass comment about not liking HD styling, what the hell do think your bloody Yamaha's based on, it's cringeworthily and blatantly skanked directly from a Softail.
I used to slate fuck out of HDs as well and swear i'd never have one. Till i could afford one. Keep saving, you'll get there, then you'll look back and laugh at your Drag Queen.
Like we are now.

[booie2]

Pull like a fucking train??? :rolleyes:
A bastard Drag Queen would struggle to pull the skin off a rice pudding. and you just gotta be fucking jivin' with your dumbass comment about not liking HD styling, what the hell do think your bloody Yamaha's based on, it's cringeworthily and blatantly skanked directly from a Softail.
I used to slate fuck out of HDs as well and swear i'd never have one. Till i could afford one. Keep saving, you'll get there, then you'll look back and laugh at your Drag Queen.
Like we are now.

Bitch!





:eek: :p :D

[Bassman]

Had loads of Jap bikes.. GPz1100 chop.which was super...Kawasaki 650 twin chop.. V-Max.. Hondas..kawasakis..yamahas..rode sports bikes for years..and several Brit bikes.. from Francis barnetts, James superswift..triumph Cub.. matchless 250..RE Crusader .. RE 500.. and proper ones not the indian ones, and now Harleys for the last 15 years or so and they are all good mate..
each to his own..Horses for course..and i loved a Gold Wing and Watsonian Palma Outfit.. great fun..
anyway someone has to keep those little slanty eyed folk in work eh? :D

[gurnE]

I used to slate fuck out of HDs as well and swear i'd never have one.

Me too......lol

[cherryB]

Now look here - your all slating the blokes bike and its not nice.

He loves it and hes happy cos hes just moved into his new gaff. So each to their own.

But Gothtec honey, you should never have tried to make the comparison in the first place, so you did ask for it really. Its only a bit of fun tho you know. ;)

[pagan_flame]

HD : Salesperson to Mechanic "quick we've got a girlie testing one of the bikes loosen the engine bolts

Absolute rot.

The bikes do that all on their own. :D

[cherryB]

Absolute rot.

The bikes do that all on their own. :D


yes they do Sir :rolleyes:

[gothtec]

Pull like a fucking train??? A bastard Drag Queen would struggle to pull the skin off a rice pudding. .

Seems to do the job I ask which is pull things in a train like fashion... No distinct difference between fully loaded and soloriding...

your dumbass comment about not liking HD styling, what the hell do think your bloody Yamaha's based on, it's cringeworthily and blatantly skanked directly from a Softail. .

Don't care about origins of styling, be it the paris catwalk or the streets of seatle. I just don't like the styling that un-customised harleys tend towards, apart from the nightrod.

Till i could afford one. Keep saving, you'll get there, then you'll look back and laugh at your Drag Queen.

I could probably get the cheap financing I need to buy one, I just don't see a good enough reason to...

[gothtec]

But Gothtec honey, you should never have tried to make the comparison in the first place, so you did ask for it really. Its only a bit of fun tho you know. ;)

Why not? :D

[Taff]

I just don't like the styling that un-customised harleys tend towards,

No, indeed not, perish the thought in fact.
And why the hell should you, far better to choose something with it's own distinctive and inimitable style. In fact, i take my hat off to Yamaha's ever imaginative, boundary pushing and consistantly original R&D department, they must have burnt the midnight oil coming up with the mould breaking ideas for the Drag Queen, salutations to 'em. They stuck their necks out, mustered up all their collective experience and imaginations in bike design, and came up with with something that'll set for ever a new benchmark for the custom cruiser genre. So when d'you get your Drag Star tat to show your undying loyalty to these pioneers of custom bike design...?



http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/4415/dragstar1dff2c6bfs3.png http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6469/dscf2615ny3.jpg

Pass me a bag, i think i'm gonna puke...


.

[Mortis]

I didn't used to like Harleys until just recently. The club I'm trying to join have been trying to convince me to buy one and, after looking at them, I really like the Dyna sport (FXDX) and the T-sport (FXDXT). I can't afford one at the moment (I'm going to be made redundant soon!!!) but when I can and I get a garage to put it in, I think I may just buy one. Until then, they'll just have to put up with me and my Triumphs (and the Blackbird).

There's an open day at several Harley dealers up here in the civilised north and we're going along to the Stockport dealers today. I wonder what I'll be offered for the Blackbird...

[cherryB]

Harley Dealers insult you with P/E on any bike other than HD. In fact they insult you with HD. Its amazing how much the mileage matters when you want them to take it in part ex, but hey, 'Harley's go on forever Sir, dont worry about the mileage. The more miles on the clock, the better it runs' - when you are buying from them!.

I would always sell private to get the best deal. Its all a fiddle anyway cos if they've got plenty of money in the bike you are buying, they can give you more for yours.

When they are selling to you book price goes out the window. But guess what it's treated as gospel when they are frowning over your bike as a possible purchase. Crock of poo really.

[droid]

No, indeed not, perish the thought in fact.
And why the hell should you, far better to choose something with it's own distinctive and inimitable style. In fact, i take my hat off to Yamaha's ever imaginative, boundary pushing and consistantly original R&D department, they must have burnt the midnight oil coming up with the mould breaking ideas for the Drag Queen, salutations to 'em. They stuck their necks out, mustered up all their collective experience and imaginations in bike design, and came up with with something that'll set for ever a new benchmark for the custom cruiser genre. So when d'you get your Drag Star tat to show your undying loyalty to these pioneers of custom bike design...?



http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/4415/dragstar1dff2c6bfs3.png http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6469/dscf2615ny3.jpg

Pass me a bag, i think i'm gonna puke...


.

Imitation is the best form of flattery..... :rolleyes:

[madastoast]

Imitation is the best form of flattery..... :rolleyes:
Only if it's done well :D

[madastoast]

Harley Dealers insult you with P/E on any bike other than HD. In fact they insult you with HD. Its amazing how much the mileage matters when you want them to take it in part ex, but hey, 'Harley's go on forever Sir, dont worry about the mileage. The more miles on the clock, the better it runs' - when you are buying from them!.

I would always sell private to get the best deal. Its all a fiddle anyway cos if they've got plenty of money in the bike you are buying, they can give you more for yours.

When they are selling to you book price goes out the window. But guess what it's treated as gospel when they are frowning over your bike as a possible purchase. Crock of poo really.
All vehicle dealers are like that.

[cherryB]

Tis true sadly. You just cant trust anyone. Although they have to make a profit and put a warranty on I s'pose, but its how much profit they make that gets me. I know Harley are on 100% mark up on everything cept bikes.

I buy everything from the States. Whatever Gurnsey HD quote in £'s (which is ex vat and includes delivery), I can get for the same amount of dollars from US so that makes it half price. And I dont every pay duty on it either.


Somebody who worked at HD once told me that on clothing they make 160% :eek:

[shaggy696969]

The FXSTC i like, BUT for me I would have to give it better front suspension / Floating Brakes Loose the skinny front wheel, Powder coat anything that isn't painted. I fuking hate polishing and the standard chrome isnt up to much. Oh and win the lotterey to afford one. I'd photoshop it but A. I'm crap at photoshop, and B it could end up too much like Taff's.

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6469/dscf2615ny3.jpg

[Grav]

There's an open day at several Harley dealers up here in the civilised north and we're going along to the Stockport dealers today. I wonder what I'll be offered for the Blackbird...

Three brass washers and some belly button fluff?
:D

[Taff]

The FXSTC i like, BUT for me I would have to give it better front suspension / Floating Brakes Loose the skinny front wheel, Powder coat anything that isn't painted. I fuking hate polishing and the standard chrome isnt up to much. Oh and win the lotterey to afford one. I'd photoshop it but A. I'm crap at photoshop, and B it could end up too much like Taff's.

Mine's not a bluddy softail, it's an FXR. (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bike002yv8.jpg) :confused: :confused:

[Kicky]

Can't believe there's a comparison test going on between a 650 Dragstar and a 1200cc Harley.The Yam is half the capacity FFS!!.But it does'nt have half the performance!.
Like one of the previous posters I was in the Harley dealership looking at bikes, in 2002,when I was looking for a new bike.Was'nt the prices that put me off,but the people in and hanging about outside the shop that sent me scuttling for the door.
Shower of fuckin accountants and lawyers trying to buy themselves a lifestyle,so the Yamaha dealer got my money,brand new Dragstar 1100 Classic.
So far it's been in Belgium,Holland,Germany,Austria,Slovenia Croatia,Italy,Liechtenstein,Switzerland,France,Ire land and Luxemburg.This summer there's a tour of the Black Sea planned,two up and loaded for bear.
And the "character" thing,character is like time,an abject concept,it's something that humans bestow on inanimate objects,and if I want to bestow my inanimate object with character,fuck you it's my bike and I'll bestow it with whatever I want.
Yeh,I know there's a lot of genuine bikers out there with Harleys,why not,they're good fuckin bikes,but I just don't buy into Willie G's "it has to be a Harley" bull****. :p

[ChopperFXR]

Mine's not a bluddy softail, it's an FXR. (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bike002yv8.jpg) :confused: :confused:


I got one of them! I love it!

I always wanted a Shovel right back in the mid seventies I wanted one. I saw a centre spread in Easyriders of a chopped shovel that was owned by one of the New York HA. It was parked on top of a sky scraper!!! (Don't ask how). Anyway, this chop was my dream bike, white and gold, girder front end, chrome everywhere, fecking gorgeous machine. I kept that picture for years.

I bought an Ironhead and loved it, then traded that in for a 1200 Evo Sportster. Then finally got myself a Shovel. Always said I would never move on to an Evo. I just loved the kicker, the way it rode, planning ahead before breaking, the sound of the drag pipes, having to nylock everything. I just loved it until one day I dislocated my knee kicking her over.

Got my 1992 Superglide FXR nearly three years ago. The luxury of just hitting the button and feeling that huge lump burst into life is just pure magic. Fitted a Super E carb and hypercharger last year. The carb made a huge difference to starting and running. I just like the look of the hypercharger, had the money so bought one.

I have ridden all sort of jap cruisers, including the VN1500. Nothing has come close to matching the pulling power of my FXR. I doubt very much if I will ever sell her. First time I sat on her, I just felt like the bike had been built for me. Never misses a beat, always gets me home and always ready to go for more. Never been so happy with a bike as this one.

Chopper. :)

[Kicky]

The one thing I will admit to envying is the noise.
Got open pipes on my Dragstar but it does'nt come close.
Was nearly refused entry to Switzerland because of them.
Fuckin yodellers with their snooty Toblerone. ;)

[shaggy696969]

Mine's not a bluddy softail, it's an FXR. (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bike002yv8.jpg) :confused: :confused:
How are we meant to Know the difference, plus yours is hardly standard, wich was my point, wich you missed.

[madastoast]

Mine's not a bluddy softail, it's an FXR. (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bike002yv8.jpg) :confused: :confused:

Haha !! Love the sign in the background :D

[madastoast]

How are we meant to Know the difference, plus yours is hardly standard, wich was my point, wich you missed.

You can tell different models like any other bike. you've just got to know what to look for (http://www.hdfxr.dk/public/Misc/Alphabet.aspx).If you're not interested in Harleys then you'll never know the difference. Just like I can't tell one plastic rocket from another. :D

[shaggy696969]

Ohh yea shocks . :rolleyes: ............. and who said Harley riders have no sense of humour. :D

[madastoast]

Ohh yea shocks . :rolleyes: ............. and who said Harley riders have no sense of humour. :D

Err... I might bring Viragos to your attention. ****e shocks on them

[madastoast]

while we're comparing the might of Yamaha against Harley.
This wouldn't happen with a Harley
http://www.100-biker.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=497922&postcount=1

[shaggy696969]

Err... I might bring Viragos to your attention. ****e shocks on them
Might I bring XJR's to your attenetion fucking excellant shocks.

http://www.yamaha-motor.co.jp/global/news/2006/10/10/img/xjr1300_pic_001.jpg

[bird]

while we're comparing the might of Yamaha against Harley.
This wouldn't happen with a Harley
http://www.100-biker.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=497922&postcount=1


that's cos it would be kept in a garage...

[madastoast]

that's cos it would be kept in a garage...
I've seen a few Harleys fall over from various causes and none have ended up with a broken frame.
FFS I wouldn't want to ride a bike that was that badly made

[droid]

I've had a few riceburners fall over from various causes (some while I was riding them :o ) and none have ended up with a broken frame.....

[Hillbilly Deluxe]

Wanna Go For a Ride?
A 16-year-old girl was walking down the street when a big man on a black motorcycle pulls up beside her and says 'Hey little girl, do you want to go for a ride?'
'NO!' says the little girl as she keeps on walking.
The motorcyclist pulls up beside her again and says 'Hey kid, I will give you £10 if you hop on the back.
'NO!' said the little girl and proceeded down the street a little quicker.
The motorcyclist pulls up to the little girl again and says 'Okay kid, I will give you £20 and a BIG bag of candy if you hop on the back of my bike for a ride.
At this point the little girl turns to him and screams angrily 'Look Dad, YOU bought a Yamaha instead of a Harley so YOU ride it!' :D :D

[booie2]

oooh crikey, mines fell over several times, a couple of times i've been riding it, :o I've never even looked to see if anything is broken, coz i wouldn't expect it to crack and break, wouldn't even know what to look for or where to look, but it woudn't have passed the mot if mine was brokend' would it? :confused:

Boo,
slightly worried bout Betty's bod now.

[cherryB]

think you would have noticed any visual cracks boo. :D

[gothtec]

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/4415/dragstar1dff2c6bfs3.png http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6469/dscf2615ny3.jpg

Pass me a bag, i think i'm gonna puke...


.

Proves mi point... Its similar, but the dragstar is sleaker, more refined... Same with sports bikes, going into a room full of them and they'll be one that just pops out from the rest.

Away I'm comparing the Dragstar 650 Classic :p

I forgot to mention if I had a chance at an Indian!

[gothtec]

Proves mi point... Its similar, but the dragstar is sleaker, more refined...

Barsteward!!!! :o

The wife says she prefers the Harley.... :eek:

[Hillbilly Deluxe]

cant be many folks customised their harleys to look like jap bikes,loads of jap bikes done to look like harleys though
wide yokes
tanks
guards
fat back wheels etc etc :)

[Bassman]

Barsteward!!!! :o

The wife says she prefers the Harley.... :eek:

Looks like one of you have some taste then mate...

you should listen to her..

wimmin always know best...................... about everything..

or so mine tells me anyway...
:D

[droid]

cant be many folks customised their harleys to look like jap bikes,loads of jap bikes done to look like harleys though
wide yokes
tanks
guards
fat back wheels etc etc :)

Buell seem to make a bit of cash making Harleys not look like Harleys.....

They always remind me of slabside gixer streetfighters (old school).

[Hillbilly Deluxe]

:confused:

[eigerton]

Buell seem to make a bit of cash making Harleys not look like Harleys.....

and if you want a Harley with decent handling go for a buell

[Hillbilly Deluxe]

not as much cash as honda,suzuki,kawasaki,yamaha,etc,etc,etc

[droid]

Buell seem to make a bit of cash making Harleys not look like Harleys.....

and if you want a Harley with decent handling go for a buell

Very true.

Mind, the new flat-tracker Harley shouldn't be too shabby in the handling department.....and it looks superb.

[eigerton]

Mind, the new flat-tracker Harley shouldn't be too shabby in the handling department.....and it looks superb

I do like the flat track look and if they can lose 50k, fit a decent frame, some lighter wheels and calipers, quality shocks and a swing-arm that's not made of chinese pig-iron it may well handle

[droid]

My last bike was a Honda CB1000 'Big One'.

The Harley should handle better than that.... :rolleyes:

[Grav]

not as much cash as honda,suzuki,kawasaki,yamaha,etc,etc,etc

True, they let someone else do all the donkey work and then bought the company....
:rolleyes:

[erizo]

Err... I might bring Viragos to your attention. ****e shocks on them

then look at the jap soft tails compared to the soft tail h.d´s

hd - twin shocks working on extension (sort of)

yam - rising rate monoshock (xv 650, xv 1100, xv 1600)

kawa - rising rate monoshock (vn 800, vn 900, vn 2000)

suzuki - rising rate monoshock (volusia 800 and variants)

personally, having ridden many soft tail harleys and soft tail japs, IMO rising rate is far superior.

on the subject of `who is copying who´, it would be worth remembering that the first of the aftermarket soft tail frames for custom bikes came out around `81-`82, and the first attempt (albeit not a very good one) at that type of frame on a production factory custom was on the monoshocked first series xv 750 yam that came out around `82. the first soft tail harleys came out in `84.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/erizo1602/Meine20xv750se.jpg

ALL the manufacturers blag ideas off each other without exception, and if they ain´t doing that, they´re looking at custom builders and seeing what they can blag off them.

but let´s get off this harley bashing/jap bashing bull****. each bike has it´s plus points and minus points. some folks ride japs because they can´t afford a harley - fine, mebbe one day they will. others ride japs because they like that style of bike but DON´T want a harley - equally fine, keep those wheels turning and enjoy it. others ride harleys and love them - excellent, likewise put some miles under the tyres.

they are all MOTORCYCLES, and if riding them puts a smile on your face, whatever is on the tank is largely irrelivent

[droid]

but let´s get off this harley bashing/jap bashing bull****. each bike has it´s plus points and minus points. some folks ride japs because they can´t afford a harley - fine, mebbe one day they will. others ride japs because they like that style of bike but DON´T want a harley - equally fine, keep those wheels turning and enjoy it. others ride harleys and love them - excellent, likewise put some miles under the tyres.

they are all MOTORCYCLES, and if riding them puts a smile on your face, whatever is on the tank is largely irrelivent

The Voice of Reason.

For myself, I've been put off Harleys in the past because they've seemed pretty basic and agricultural for the money you pay. My attitude has changed somewhat recently (hence my questions on another thread) mainly because I can now see some positives to riding a Harley. The main one being that indefinable quality called 'character'. And the fact that they seem pretty reliable nowadays.

And finally because my VTR has introduced me to the joys of big V-twins.... :D :D :D

[cherryB]

If you line up 20 Harleys and then line up 20, say, CBR600's, how long would anyone spend looking at the Harleys as opposed to the Honda's?

This question is'nt about, buying a Harley cos you want people to drool over it, it's to point out that every Harley is individual and not only has it got character, but it has the soul impregnated into from the person who loves it. Most people who own a Harley, put their own personality into it, whatever form that takes and for me, that is what makes a Harley stand out from the crowd. :)

[erizo]

If you line up 20 Harleys and then line up 20, say, CBR600's, how long would anyone spend looking at the Harleys as opposed to the Honda's?

This question is'nt about, buying a Harley cos you want people to drool over it, it's to point out that every Harley is individual

hang on a second

if you line up 20 FXST´s they´re as individual as 20 cbr 600´s. stock bikes are stock bikes until someone puts their own stamp of individuality on them. many people modify their sportsbikes to suit them as well.

also it depends on the circumstances. put your line of 20 cbr´s in the carpark at a racetrack and they´d be looked at more than the row of 20 FXST´s.

the logic doesn´t quite hold there.

[droid]

So CherryB, what's the difference between someone who buys a Harley and personalises it, and another who buys a metric cruiser and personalises that?

[erizo]

So what's the difference between someone who buys a Harley and personalises it, and another who buys a metric cruiser and personalises that?

the price of the aftermarket accessories costing more for H.D.

apart from that, none.

[cherryB]

So CherryB, what's the difference between someone who buys a Harley and personalises it, and another who buys a metric cruiser and personalises that?


I can answer that with one word - PLASTIC !!!

[cherryB]

the price of the aftermarket accessories costing more for H.D.

apart from that, none.


BULL **** it's nothing at wll to do with cost.

[droid]

I can answer that with one word - PLASTIC !!!

Not 'soul' or 'character' then? :D

[cherryB]

Can't believe there's a comparison test going on between a 650 Dragstar and a 1200cc Harley.The Yam is half the capacity FFS!!.But it does'nt have half the performance!.
Like one of the previous posters I was in the Harley dealership looking at bikes, in 2002,when I was looking for a new bike.Was'nt the prices that put me off,but the people in and hanging about outside the shop that sent me scuttling for the door.
Shower of fuckin accountants and lawyers trying to buy themselves a lifestyle,so the Yamaha dealer got my money,brand new Dragstar 1100 Classic.
So far it's been in Belgium,Holland,Germany,Austria,Slovenia Croatia,Italy,Liechtenstein,Switzerland,France,Ire land and Luxemburg.This summer there's a tour of the Black Sea planned,two up and loaded for bear.
And the "character" thing,character is like time,an abject concept,it's something that humans bestow on inanimate objects,and if I want to bestow my inanimate object with character,fuck you it's my bike and I'll bestow it with whatever I want.
Yeh,I know there's a lot of genuine bikers out there with Harleys,why not,they're good fuckin bikes,but I just don't buy into Willie G's "it has to be a Harley" bull****. :p



So, do you have a mind of your own? Or cant you trust yourself to buy a bike and NOT be 'dragged into the Willie G' lifestyle.

I'm amazed that you didnt consider buying a bike simply because you didnt like the people in and around the dealership.

What a crock of ****e Sir :eek: I bought a brand new Harley as did my husband and we've never felt the need to wear a Hog patch or get pulled into that lifestyle. We do our own thing as and when we want. Thats what biking is all about, is'nt it. :eek:

[cherryB]

Not 'soul' or 'character' then? :D


I guess you have to own one to appreciate what I'm saying. I aint gonna keep repeating myself just because you are in a pedantic and contradictory mood !!

[erizo]

BULL **** it's nothing at wll to do with cost.

then pray tell me, what is it?

because in my business here running a small independent bike shop, and modifying both jap bikes and harleys, the cost of custom stuff for harleys i have found to be higher on the whole.

[erizo]

I can answer that with one word - PLASTIC !!!

tell you what, have a look around an XV 1600 (i own one BTW) or XV 1700

there is about the same ammount of plastic on that as any harley that leaves milwaukee.

[erizo]

I guess you have to own one to appreciate what I'm saying.

`if i had to explain, you wouldn´t understand´

give us a break, eh?

[madastoast]

`if i had to explain, you wouldn´t understand´

give us a break, eh?
It's the truth though. I've owned jap vee twins and Harleys and to be honest I'd pick the Harley every time.
I don't doubt the jap ones are made to be just like the Harley but when you're sat on one and ride one regularly (and not just to work and back) then you can make an informed judgement.
Sure on paper the Harley seems a bit more expensive and the willie g life isn't "all that" but riding a Harley just gives you something you just don't get with jap vee's (and it's not piles).

There will always be people that Harleys don't suit but those of us that ride them wouldn't swap them

[BlackPig]

IThere will always be people that Harleys don't suit but those of us that ride them wouldn't swap them


That sum's up the whole bloody discussion , as said before horses fer courses , 'nuff said. Spot on chap. :D :cool:

[cherryB]

and.............dedicated Harley lovers would'nt have to ask the question, 'whats the difference between............'. Funny how these comparison topics are always raised by the people who own Jap look a likes.

I've never seen the question asked by a Harley owner, I guess thats because we know what we want and feel secure in our decision. ;)

[erizo]

There will always be people that Harleys don't suit but those of us that ride them wouldn't swap them

i quite agree.

it´s just that despite trying to pour oil on the water, cherryb seems to be on the same tack as those that say that harleys are crap, plus coming out with the same clichés that we´ve all heard before

we ride what we want, and shouldn´t have to justify it to others whatever we ride.

[BlackPig]

Maybe, maybe not, I don't own one ,have owned one , but as I stated sometime ago in this thread I ride what I can afford an' it ain't no look alike either.
:)

[madastoast]

i quite agree.


we ride what we want, and shouldn´t have to justify it to others whatever we ride.

So the Origional Poster on this thread caused a huge debate and argument over something that shouldn't need justifying.

[Borg]

I sold my HD to buy a Triumph

Cherry sold her Triumph to buy a HD

Is my Triumph a HD copy then ? although its a parallel twin.

Or are the 'complaints' only about V twins ? which HD did not invent, I think as well the 'mono shock' was also a British invention used on the HRD first.

What about Beul then, is that a HD copy of a Suzuki ?

But then again my HD was all metric bolts and screws so is it a metric cruiser. it was made in the East.

[erizo]

and.............dedicated Harley lovers would'nt have to ask the question, 'whats the difference between............'. Funny how these comparison topics are always raised by the people who own Jap look a likes.

I've never seen the question asked by a Harley owner, I guess thats because we know what we want and feel secure in our decision. ;)

what you seem to be missing is that droid asked you a valid question, namely..

So what's the difference between someone who buys a Harley and personalises it, and another who buys a metric cruiser and personalises that?

to which i gave my opinion.

he was asking you what is the difference is, and you have only replied in a manner that infers that someone who rides and customises a harley is somehow superior to someone who rides and customises a jap cruiser by fact of a different base product having been bought to start with.

look at it without the blinkers. BOTH have equal validity.

[cherryB]

i quite agree.

it´s just that despite trying to pour oil on the water, cherryb seems to be on the same tack as those that say that harleys are crap, plus coming out with the same clichés that we´ve all heard before

we ride what we want, and shouldn´t have to justify it to others whatever we ride.


I was not trying to pour oil on water pal. I was re-iterating the point VOID made about character. I dont have to justify anything to anyone, but was merely giving an opinion, which I am quite entitled to do.

Believe me, if I wanted to pour oil on any water, you would be left in no doubt whatsoever.

[erizo]

So the Origional Poster on this thread caused a huge debate and argument over something that shouldn't need justifying.

from my point of view, you just nailed it :cool:

[cherryB]

I sold my HD to buy a Triumph

Cherry sold her Triumph to buy a HD
Is my Triumph a HD copy then ? although its a parallel twin.

Or are the 'complaints' only about V twins ? which HD did not invent, I think as well the 'mono shock' was also a British invention used on the HRD first.

What about Beul then, is that a HD copy of a Suzuki ?

But then again my HD was all metric bolts and screws so is it a metric cruiser. it was made in the East.


No I didnt darlin. I bought my Harley and still have it. I bought a Honda Shadow last winter to muck about on, but sold it cos it was feeble. Then this year I bought the Trumpet for Winter. Not to replace the Harley though.
I like the Trumpet but I just dont feel safe on it. So I'm gonna sell it and buy another Harley, to go with the one I got. :D

If that makes any sense at all, then my pills are working ok :D

[erizo]

I was not trying to pour oil on water pal. I was re-iterating the point VOID made about character. I dont have to justify anything to anyone, but was merely giving an opinion, which I am quite entitled to do.

Believe me, if I wanted to pour oil on any water, you would be left in no doubt whatsoever.

the `oil on water´ bit should have read `it´s just that despite ME trying to pour oil on the water´

it´s a problem with speaking spanish all day, then switching back to english. gets a bit confusing.

however, what you´ve been posting seems to be opinion coming from a percieved position of superiority based on vehicle type.

just the impression i´ve been getting, anyway.

[cherryB]

what you seem to be missing is that droid asked you a valid question, namely..



to which i gave my opinion.

he was asking you what is the difference is, and you have only replied in a manner that infers that someone who rides and customises a harley is somehow superior to someone who rides and customises a jap cruiser by fact of a different base product having been bought to start with.

look at it without the blinkers. BOTH have equal validity.


I am blinkered though. Ive tried Jap cruisers, I learnt to ride on one, passed my test then rode a Harley. I've always been blinkered in my opinion about Harley. Because for me, no other bike will do. End of story

[cherryB]

the `oil on water´ bit should have read `it´s just that despite ME trying to pour oil on the water´

it´s a problem with speaking spanish all day, then switching back to english. gets a bit confusing.

however, what you´ve been posting seems to be opinion coming from a percieved position of superiority based on vehicle type.

just the impression i´ve been getting, anyway.


Well put your English head on and understand this. Its not about superiority at all. I was giving my opinion as has everyone else. Its about preferance. As I said, it's not about cost, it's about suits. If people want to ride Jap, go ahead, its their choice entirely.

When I made the comparison beteen Jap and Harley, I was trying to emphasise the characteristics. If you chose to read more into what I said, then thats your problem not mine.

[cherryB]

Now look here - your all slating the blokes bike and its not nice.

He loves it and hes happy cos hes just moved into his new gaff. So each to their own.

But Gothtec honey, you should never have tried to make the comparison in the first place, so you did ask for it really. Its only a bit of fun tho you know

__________________________________________________ ___________-

The above is a copy of an earlier post I made int his thread. Does that sound like I'm trying to be superior? Perhaps you should choose your words more carefully Sir

[Borg]

Buy British don't ride foreign bikes.

Jap, Yank, Thai, there all NOT OURS


:)




D.A.

[Taff]

you have only replied in a manner that infers that someone who rides and customises a harley is somehow superior to someone who rides and customises a jap cruiser by fact of a different base product having been bought to start with.
No way are they superior.
They just got better taste and more money.
And a better bike.

[erizo]

Buy British don't ride foreign bikes.

Jap, Yank, Thai, there all NOT OURS


:)




D.A.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/erizo1602/moped_run_bawdsey_001.jpg


:D :D :D

[shaggy696969]

HD riders have to claim the high ground, because if they didnt then they would have to admit they Paid too much money for their rides. The bikes are what they want but how the hell does HD justify the cost. They cant claim its in import taxes as the japs have to pay them too, but why so exspensive for the limited technology used and poor quality parts on standard machines. People love their machines and there is no doubt in that, and modification of HD's seems par for the course but I will never understand the priceng of them. Maybe its just a marketing ploy for HD as if they were cheaper then maybe some groups of buyers ie the accountant types in HOG wouldnt think they were exsclusive enough.

[Borg]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/erizo1602/moped_run_bawdsey_001.jpg


:D :D :D


If it's good enough for Noddy it's good enough for you :)

[droid]

I am blinkered though. Ive tried Jap cruisers, I learnt to ride on one, passed my test then rode a Harley. I've always been blinkered in my opinion about Harley. Because for me, no other bike will do. End of story

A bit of welcome honesty there.


You still haven't clarified what you mean by 'soul' and 'character' though.
Because I have the same sort of debate with Ducati riders..... :D I really would like to know what people mean by these expressions. I could start with myself I suppose, but I don't really know what they mean either....

[frenchie]

Thanks for showing us your Betty Booie :D

i had an xs650 hardtail chop called Betty!

[frenchie]

[QUOTE=Pugwash]good choice of a bike for a Girlie the Dragstar ,nice none threatining amount of horsepower , bit like a 883 innit :rolleyes:

pug!!!

[frenchie]

I got one of them! I love it!

. . . .I just loved the kicker, the way it rode, planning ahead before breaking, the sound of the drag pipes, having to nylock everything. I just loved it until one day I dislocated my knee kicking her over.


Chopper. :)

DID YOU BUY MINE THEN CHOP, BLACK BITCH FXR LOWRIDER COS YOU JUST DESCRIBED IT TO A FUCKING TEE. . .FREN
8 years with shovel me, but after fucking my leg so many times I got blackbox sorted out.

[frenchie]

girls girls, after reading all way though the thread its my shout.

i ride me tweaked harleys purely and simply for the girt great rumbling pose.

I like the way they sound, ride, keep their money and all me tools fit.
Had me shovel ( basket case) before I passed me test in 1988 on borrowed MZ, but almost always had a Kwack alongside the HD. Now lucky enough to have 2 big HD's. Traded a 6 year old Deuce for £9grand against summat else, what Jap bike could you do that with?

When living with the Snafster he had HD chop and a dragstar,Lily, and he always rode Lily 'cos his HD was a cow to start.

So, after 20 years ( just) still stay with what i am true to, but have ridden many other things and arent anal about it.

fren
utterly Harley, but does it really matter?

[Pugwash]

[QUOTE=Pugwash]good choice of a bike for a Girlie the Dragstar ,nice none threatining amount of horsepower , bit like a 883 innit :rolleyes:

pug!!!

:p

wondered when you'd see that :D

me i'd love a great big Harley Chop 1340 would be fine for motor

mix an match from other sources , summit for the future maybe ;)

[Kicky]

"So, do you have a mind of your own? Or cant you trust yourself to buy a bike and NOT be 'dragged into the Willie G' lifestyle.

I'm amazed that you didnt consider buying a bike simply because you didnt like the people in and around the dealership.

What a crock of ****e Sir I bought a brand new Harley as did my husband and we've never felt the need to wear a Hog patch or get pulled into that lifestyle. We do our own thing as and when we want. Thats what biking is all about, is'nt it."
__________________
The people hanging around the shop were the deciding factor,not the only reason for me not buying the Harley.As I said Harleys are good enough bikes,there's plenty out there that are as good or better.
Mind of my own?,I bought the Dragstar to tour on,my other two bikes I built from scratch,something I've been doing for two thirds of my life. :p

[Dougie]

I am blinkered though. Ive tried Jap cruisers, I learnt to ride on one, passed my test then rode a Harley. I've always been blinkered in my opinion about Harley. Because for me, no other bike will do. End of story
And if they're honest this is the same attitude (although from the opposite direction) that many Harley owners accuse non-Harley owners of having,"I don't like/have/can't afford Harleys so they're crap"......
I've been accused of jealousy by a HOG member because I didn't think his concho'd and tasseled tart's handbag looked good.Balls!The thing looked like the inside of a disco,and it wouldn'ta mattered what make it was,Harley,Virago,Marauder or Soviet Knight..........
Over the years I've put a good bit of time,effort,cash and my own blood into keeping my GS on the road and I object to being looked on as a lesser mortal by someone because I don't have a Harley.I don't do it to non GS owners,I find it like playing the same stupid game as kids picking on others that don't have the latest trainers or game station.
And with that I'll probably get flamed......... :rolleyes:

[XJphil]

Why do you need to justify to others what bike you own and ride :confused:
fuck em, ride what you want and i don`t careless what you ride
if its a chop and you built it i`m interested, no matter what lump you`ve used
i`ve used kwak, suzi,yamaha and even a honda :eek: engines in the bikes i`ve built
and i once built a horrible looking T140 chop with springer forks


the onley bike i hadn`t built on me own was a harley, so i got one,a sh!testerTM (Taff) and one day i will get round to building a softtailed custom frame for it


But has for expencive parts for a harley?, yes if you buy stealership bolt ons
top end gasket kit? try comparing prices between HD and everyone else
also how much would your zorst cost you, brand new set of drags for my sporty £120
valves and springs are also next to nuffin
so just buy the bike you want and fuck em

[frenchie]

And if they're honest this is the same attitude (although from the opposite direction) that many Harley owners accuse non-Harley owners of having,"I don't like/have/can't afford Harleys so they're crap"......
I've been accused of jealousy by a HOG member because I didn't think his concho'd and tasseled tart's handbag looked good.Balls!The thing looked like the inside of a disco,and it wouldn'ta mattered what make it was,Harley,Virago,Marauder or Soviet Knight..........
Over the years I've put a good bit of time,effort,cash and my own blood into keeping my GS on the road and I object to being looked on as a lesser mortal by someone because I don't have a Harley.I don't do it to non GS owners,I find it like playing the same stupid game as kids picking on others that don't have the latest trainers or game station.
And with that I'll probably get flamed......... :rolleyes:


why? The high horses some people put themselves on are ridiculous.
Due to cirs of the owner I rode a 535 Virago to win Best at a show 2 years ago, much to abject horror of Shaun, who then met me later the same week in Polar. . back to me, banging on. . .chatting to Stez. .''and a fucking 535 Viarago bet me to Best in Show ( turns around) and it was. . .(points). .. .HER???

all time classic, perfect, moment.


and yes, my flamed stacked loaded Train was there as well, but not me show bike.


oh and Cherry you slated me for 'buying' a show bike, ( 4 years in build )yet you come on here postilating about buying a brand new one from shop. Build yer own,many times, like I did, then go rallying, after all you never actually go camping do you? and you have the fucking cheek to say i aint a biker.
And whats even funnier is watching you crawl up Taffs arse day in and day out, how many times you met him then?

fren

[Bassman]

And if they're honest this is the same attitude (although from the opposite direction) that many Harley owners accuse non-Harley owners of having,"I don't like/have/can't afford Harleys so they're crap"......
I don't do it to non GS owners,I find it like playing the same stupid game as kids picking on others that don't have the latest trainers or game station.
And with that I'll probably get flamed......... :rolleyes:

The problem is mainly people deliberately starting threads just to get a row going on mate..
happens all the time...if people know its going to cause an argument ...yet again... why start it all over again..

[cherryB]

why? The high horses some people put themselves on are ridiculous.
Due to cirs of the owner I rode a 535 Virago to win Best at a show 2 years ago, much to abject horror of Shaun, who then met me later the same week in Polar. . back to me, banging on. . .chatting to Stez. .''and a fucking 535 Viarago bet me to Best in Show ( turns around) and it was. . .(points). .. .HER???

all time classic, perfect, moment.


and yes, my flamed stacked loaded Train was there as well, but not me show bike.


oh and Cherry you slated me for 'buying' a show bike, ( 4 years in build )yet you come on here postilating about buying a brand new one from shop. Build yer own,many times, like I did, then go rallying, after all you never actually go camping do you? and you have the fucking cheek to say i aint a biker.
And whats even funnier is watching you crawl up Taffs arse day in and day out, how many times you met him then?

fren


Frenchie, I'm not going to reduce myself to your level, by replying to this playground, childish nonesense. Grow up and act your age woman.

[Bassman]

pass the sofa mate...

anyone got any popcorn?

[shaggy696969]

Frenchie, I'm not going to reduce myself to your level, by replying to this playground, childish nonesense. Grow up and act your age woman.
Aww .............. G'wan you know you want too does Fren's comment mean this thread is going to de-genorate to a what is a biker thread ?
:rolleyes: ;) :D

[Dougie]

pass the sofa mate...

anyone got any popcorn?

Got some,but it ain't Harley popcorn.Does that matter? :confused: :D :D

(Dunno if Harley popcorn exists,but I wouldn't be surprised)

[shaggy696969]

I got some ............

http://i32.tinypic.com/2ur89l1.jpg

To go with ............

http://i32.tinypic.com/2lxbbqq.jpg

[Dougie]

Jeezy feck! :eek: :eek: :rolleyes:

[Bassman]

see.. they do everything magnificently... :p

[Dougie]

Aye,even lavvy seats. :D
But seriously,whether or not you like the bikes,you gotta admit that HD's marketing strategy is total genius.Take some cheap (and not so cheap) tat,stick the bar and shield on it and it'll sell like hot cakes,although that hideous "Biker Baby" doll that was on the back page of BSH many moons ago was somewhat of an own goal..... :rolleyes:

[cherryB]

Got some,but it ain't Harley popcorn.Does that matter? :confused: :D :D

(Dunno if Harley popcorn exists,but I wouldn't be surprised)


Nooo if you aint got Harley popcorn, its not allowed. :D

[Pugwash]

having known Frenchie for a quite a few years i have to admit taking a great deal of inner pleasure seeing others thinking they know her so well i don't , even if i have shared brief moments of being drunk an off me skull in her presence , but from wot i do know she can talk the the talk and do the walk

trust me she's a well sound girlie

even for a Harley Rider :p

[shaggy696969]

Nooo if you aint got Harley popcorn, its not allowed. :D
Scroll up me dear not only Harley popcorn but a licensed sofa too.

http://i32.tinypic.com/2lxbbqq.jpg

[cherryB]

Aww .............. G'wan you know you want too does Fren's comment mean this thread is going to de-genorate to a what is a biker thread ?
:rolleyes: ;) :D


No hun, sorry to disappoint but life's just too short. And she brought Taff into it. Thats not on, in an open forum. If she has something to say she should do it by pm. I'm not having a slanging match about my friends in the open.

[shaggy696969]

Fair enough me dear , was only playin along .

[droid]

Jeez.
You guys rise quicker than my fish at feeding time.... :eek: :D

[hermann]

re. Harley affordability. Apparently there very cheap I mean this guy is selling his for about the price of a new Royal Enfield. Only £3100, I mean there cant be a catch can there..http://www.gumtree.com/london/11/22179911.html

[Dougie]

Nooo if you aint got Harley popcorn, its not allowed. :D
Bloody elitist...... :p

[cherryB]

Fair enough me dear , was only playin along .


I know ;) ;)

[cherryB]

Scroll up me dear not only Harley popcorn but a licensed sofa too.

http://i32.tinypic.com/2lxbbqq.jpg


and it looks about as comfortable as their stock seats :D :D

[erizo]

milwaukee burger anyone?

POSTED FOR HUMOUROUS PURPOSES ONLY, okay?

http://www.goingfaster.com/angst/milwaukeeburger.htm

[frenchie]

Frenchie, I'm not going to reduce myself to your level, by replying to this playground, childish nonesense. Grow up and act your age woman.

strange that, i was only answering what you wrote about me.
17 pops you had at me before i answered you, and only cos the moderators were asking me if i wanted you stopped.

and act me age, well thats not hard, lot younger than you eh?

and friends, reckon I have met my 'friends' more than twice huh?

fren
p.s can i get a discount if i buy 2 of them sofas? they are just cool
.. and pug, you know me well enough to know that most of time am taking piss out of myself, cos I can, but me poo dont stink, no siree, not now nor ever.
ATTenSHUN
and Shags, how many years ago was it you came to me house?

[Pugwash]

http://img160.imagevenue.com/loc782/th_87835_TOILET_SEAT_122_782lo.jpg (http://img160.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=87835_TOILET_SEAT_122_782lo.jpg)

Caution when taking a Dump please have your Genuine Part Numbers Handy :p

[Bassman]

and act me age, well thats not hard, lot younger than you eh?



OOOhhhh.. saucer of milk for the lady... :D

[Bassman]

C'mon.. shift up a bit on that sofa.. and pass the beer...

[kitkatman]

wow....this thread is good and i was about to tell you lot how pretty and what a powerhorse my big monsterous kawasaki 454 vn ltd ( or whatever they fuckin call it :D ) is....can i afford to buy new....i can just about to afford to run it, but i dont care, it runs ( sort off) has 2 wheels and has a engine ( well sort off), is it my old FJ12 show winning beast that used to grunt at old grannies and scare children....HELL NO.....

as for slating virago 535's...well i have had one and i liked it, i liked the gs500e, would i have a harley.....more than likely if i could afford one, what about the wildstar....fuck yeah....i run on the theory that i dont care what i ride, as long as i can ride, fuck everything else....

man, i even admire these peeps that buy the chinese bikes, to me they could be the future bikers..

i love rallies, meet good peeps, catch up on gossip and get a wee bit pissed with em :D

fuck what bike you ride, i know it matters to a lot, but to me the passion is what i live for












( this was a automated message on behalf of the KKM coorparation, normal services will resume soon) :D

[kitkatman]

C'mon.. shift up a bit on that sofa.. and pass the beer...
off to the offy, save me a space keith :D

[Dougie]

off to the offy, save me a space keith :D
Get something with a bit of flavour Cuz......... :D

[shaggy696969]

Shags, how many years ago was it you came to me house?

I think you may have me confused with some other God Like chap. :confused:

[Bassman]

off to the offy, save me a space keith :D

Plenty of room for a skinny one mate...

if we need some more room.. we can just get Dougie to stand up, and then 4 others can sit where he was sat... :p :D

[Dougie]

Cheeky bastid,when was the last time YOU could wear 36 waist jeans comfortably? :p :p

[Bassman]

Cheeky bastid,when was the last time YOU could wear 36 waist jeans comfortably? :p :p

Me memories not that good mate... :o

[Dougie]

HA HA!(in a Nelson Muntz style...) :D :D

[droid]

milwaukee burger anyone?

POSTED FOR HUMOUROUS PURPOSES ONLY, okay?

http://www.goingfaster.com/angst/milwaukeeburger.htm

:eek: :D :D :D

[Hillbilly Deluxe]

Cheeky bastid,when was the last time YOU could wear 36 waist jeans comfortably? :p :p
:eek: fat baskit :D

[Dougie]

I'm not fat,I'm big boned........... :p

[kitkatman]

I think you may have me confused with some other God Like chap. :confused:
who.....budha :D :D

[gurnE]

This nonsense still going on then?

Tell ya what, when you jap owners grow up come see me and I'll sell you a proper bike......lol

Joking aside, the jap cruisers are excellent bikes, I'm a big fan of the VN Mean Streak and the good old VS1400 Intruders (Gayest name ever though).

However, after 13 Japanese bikes my personal opinion is that my Harley is the best bike I have ever owned.

11 years as either a motorcycle technician or salesman means whilst I am no expert I can talk bollocks about motorcycles with the best of them and the Harley just seems to have more quality than the Jap bikes, metal mudguards, metal chrome, better styling (imo).

The Triumph Rocket falls in the same boat imo, fucking stonking motor but the rest of the bike just didn't feel good quality.

Yea some Harleys are a fair bit of cash, I sure ain't got 14k to spend on a bike but the subject of this original post, the Nightster, is excellent value @ £6695 imo and well worth the small premium over something like a 650 Dragstar....

At the end of the day ride what you want to ride or what you can afford to ride and fuck what anyone else thinks but I've not yet come across another bike that has so much as tempted me to swap my Dyna and if you actually have direct personal experience of a modern Harley I'd be surprised if you disagreed with me.

[Pugwash]

This nonsense still going on then?

Tell ya what, when you jap owners grow up come see me and I'll sell you a proper bike......lol

Joking aside, the jap cruisers are excellent bikes, I'm a big fan of the VN Mean Streak and the good old VS1400 Intruders (Gayest name ever though).

However, after 13 Japanese bikes my personal opinion is that my Harley is the best bike I have ever owned.

11 years as either a motorcycle technician or salesman means whilst I am no expert I can talk bollocks about motorcycles with the best of them and the Harley just seems to have more quality than the Jap bikes, metal mudguards, metal chrome, better styling (imo).

The Triumph Rocket falls in the same boat imo, fucking stonking motor but the rest of the bike just didn't feel good quality.

Yea some Harleys are a fair bit of cash, I sure ain't got 14k to spend on a bike but the subject of this original post, the Nightster, is excellent value @ £6695 imo and well worth the small premium over something like a 650 Dragstar....

At the end of the day ride what you want to ride or what you can afford to ride and fuck what anyone else thinks but I've not yet come across another bike that has so much as tempted me to swap my Dyna and if you actually have direct personal experience of a modern Harley I'd be surprised if you disagreed with me.


Oi do you mind were trying to have a serious conversation and you had to bring fuking motorbikes into it :mad:

:p

[Fran]

I'm not fat,I'm big boned........... :p


That's true.I can vouch for his bone...... :o :D

[shaggy696969]

who.....budha :D :D
Just cos I told ya to Feck off when you asked to Rub me Belly.

[Borg]

Cars are better than bikes any day.

[hermann]

Cars are better than bikes any day.
Ah but normal cars or Harley cars
http://trucks.about.com/b/2006/07/06/2006-ford-harley-davidson-f-150-pickup-truck.htm :D

[Borg]

Harleys ARE Jap bikes anyway :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rikuo_motorcycles

[frenchie]

I'm not fat,I'm big boned........... :p

no your not, your skin is to small.

f

[Bassman]

Harleys ARE Jap bikes anyway :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rikuo_motorcycles

At least try and get things the right way round mate.. :rolleyes:

surely you mean jap bikes are harleys...

[cherryB]

strange that, i was only answering what you wrote about me.
17 pops you had at me before i answered you, and only cos the moderators were asking me if i wanted you stopped.

and act me age, well thats not hard, lot younger than you eh?

and friends, reckon I have met my 'friends' more than twice huh?

fren
p.s can i get a discount if i buy 2 of them sofas? they are just cool
.. and pug, you know me well enough to know that most of time am taking piss out of myself, cos I can, but me poo dont stink, no siree, not now nor ever.
ATTenSHUN
and Shags, how many years ago was it you came to me house?



From a supposed 'business woman' who purports, to have a wealth of knowledge to throw around at every opportunity (commonly known as a 'know all') you are remarkably pathetic and this post proves my point.

[cherryB]

I think you may have me confused with some other God Like chap. :confused:



:D :D :D

[Borg]

At least try and get things the right way round mate.. :rolleyes:

surely you mean jap bikes are harleys...


Ahhh so the Dragstar is a Harley. I see now.

[Hillbilly Deluxe]

im bored with this 8ollo(ks now........

[slob]

Interested to see that a reasonably sensible debate about bikes hs degenerated into
"My dad's bigger that yours"
"My dick's bigger than yours"
"My vag can swallow an oil tanker, can yours"

Keep it up kids :confused:

[critch]

From a supposed 'business woman' who purports, to have a wealth of knowledge to throw around at every opportunity (commonly known as a 'know all') .

fuk me whats the phrase ?????


oh yeah "pot ,kettle , black"?? :D

for the record harleys are ****e ,and mines ****tier than most :D (thought id get that in before grav did.....)


still love the bugger though :rolleyes:

seriously though there good bikes, parts are cheap and mine goes alright.....

'specially when i hit the giggle gas button.............

[madastoast]

fuk me whats the phrase ?????


oh yeah "pot ,kettle , black"?? :D

for the record harleys are ****e ,and mines ****tier than most :D (thought id get that in before grav did.....)


still love the bugger though :rolleyes:

seriously though there good bikes, parts are cheap and mine goes alright.....

'specially when i hit the giggle gas button.............
On a serious note I was rebuilding a GS 750 and on pricing up a complete gasket set I found that it was more expensive for a '79 GS than a complete set for my Harley :eek:

Just the head gasket was silly money. Far more than a pair of head gaskets for the 1550 lump

[critch]

my last set was full set was 35 notes.......
me rings were 17.50.......

me zed was 120 for the gaskets and 130 for the rings.....

mebbee i ride harleys cos im tight.... :D

[hermann]

On a serious note I was rebuilding a GS 750 and on pricing up a complete gasket set I found that it was more expensive for a '79 GS than a complete set for my Harley :eek:

Just the head gasket was silly money. Far more than a pair of head gaskets for the 1550 lump
Thats why one of my mates got a harley. It was getting harder to find parts for an early eighties jap than it was for late 50s harleys. Unless you stick to the really popular models like zed thous and gs' it can be really difficult to get parts (And pricey)

[Shifty]

I really like the Dyna sport (FXDX) and the T-sport (FXDXT). .

I've got an FXDX with a T-Sport seat on it & stage 1 pipes. Bloody lovely to ride.

[Grav]

for the record harleys are ****e ,and mines ****tier than most :D (thought id get that in before grav did.....)




Your harley isn't shíte cos it's a harley. It's shíte cos it's YOUR'S

snigger......... :D

[Fran]

Interested to see that a reasonably sensible debate about bikes hs degenerated into
"My dad's bigger that yours"
"My dick's bigger than yours"
"My vag can swallow an oil tanker, can yours"

Keep it up kids :confused:
My grannie's vag sunk the Titanic so there! :p :D

[booie2]

Whats a vag? :confused:

[Fran]

Whats a vag? :confused:
Fanny to you. :rolleyes:

[fletch]

i allways said i would never buy an harley then i rode one an loved it bye bye mean streak hello sporty

[slob]

fella who works for me has a nightster, he brought it in today for me to have a look.. he is about 3foot high and made the bike look big :eek: . .. but this is the same guy who decided to look cool with some mates and wondered why his local friendly mc member asked him politely wtf he thought he was doing with a back patch :D guy didn't have a clue , him and his mates wanted to look cool !!

[fletch]

fella who works for me has a nightster, he brought it in today for me to have a look.. he is about 3foot high and made the bike look big :eek: . .. but this is the same guy who decided to look cool with some mates and wondered why his local friendly mc member asked him politely wtf he thought he was doing with a back patch :D guy didn't have a clue , him and his mates wanted to look cool !!


ahhhh not clever that had he been watching wild hogs?

[slob]

ahhhh not clever that had he been watching wild hogs?


Think so! I had to give him a one to one this week and how I didn't laugh is a miracle.

[Pugwash]

Think so! I had to give him a one to one this week and how I didn't laugh is a miracle.


well yer did him a good dead and saved the NHS from from anutha re-build job :p

[slob]

well yer did him a good dead and saved the NHS from from anutha re-build job :p


not like that , he works for me . I'm not in a club mate :D

[Pugwash]

not like that , he works for me . I'm not in a club mate :D

me neither lol but at least yer put the chap straight ;)

[critch]

Your harley isn't shíte cos it's a harley. It's shíte cos it's YOUR'S

snigger......... :D

watch it cripple or ill curse you forever by sitting on yer bike......... :D

[critch]

Think so! I had to give him one to one this week and how I didn't laugh is a miracle.
well maybee hes charitable....... :D , yer a leg - end in yer own lunchtime ;)

[frenchie]

hey up chaps, anyone remember the advert 'ont telly with the woman, the fish hook and the dragging off scene?

cheers for the pm's.

Oh and as for being a supposed businesswoman, pretending to be wealthy, living on credit cards,and all the other scurrilous crap chucked out by silly bitch ( and i am so looking forward to meeting you) its farcially funny 'cos I am really hugely,obscenely successful at what I do and the only thing I pontificate is about houses and housing. I'll always ask for help on tech stuff, mechanics if needed etc, as loads of peeps on here have far greater knowledge than me, I learn summat everyday.

how many forums you been banned from now Cherry?


and as fer being a millionaire? yer forgot one really important word . . . .

fren

[Hillbilly Deluxe]

multi ??? :)

[Dougie]

multi ??? :)
Tattooed? :D

[kitkatman]

Tattooed? :D
etch a sketch :confused:

[Pugwash]

etch a sketch :confused:

shake an vac same thing weirder drawings though :p

[kitkatman]

shake an vac same thing weirder drawings though :p
did you have way too much lsd in the 60's mate :D

[Pugwash]

did you have way too much lsd in the 60's mate :D

nope i don't do weird drugs

i just have weird thoughts unlike you :rolleyes:

:p

[frenchie]

multi ??? :)

tadaaaah

fren
here, where can I get me one of them Harley embossed faux leather cig packet box covers from? Quite fancy a pair of braces, as well.

[Fran]

tadaaaah

fren
here, where can I get me one of them Harley embossed faux leather cig packet box covers from? Quite fancy a pair of braces, as well.
Oooo don't get the braces,they really chafe the nipples! :eek: