Warning for East Anglian riders!

[Nik]

http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/content/news/story.aspx?brand=ENOnline&category=News&tBrand=ENOnline&tCategory=News&itemid=NOED26%20Mar%202008%2014%3A13%3A50%3A993


:rolleyes:

[BlackPig]

£1.3 million for a life better phone me insurance !!! :eek: :D :rolleyes:

[Nik]

Yeah, funny that, isn't it? People have been fined just £75 for killing someone on a bike round 'ere before ...

[BlackPig]

Make ya wonder sometimes, how they calculate all this bowlocks .. :(

[shaggy696969]

Flip plates soon to be popular in Norfolk then lol . :D :D :D

[Nik]

Flip plates soon to be popular in Norfolk then lol . :D :D :D

I prefer anagram ones, meself ... ;)

[shaggy696969]

Ahh yes Ive had a plate made by that Dyslexic bloke too :rolleyes:

[Nik]

Ahh yes Ive had a plate made by that Dyslexic bloke too :rolleyes:

He gets about, doesn't he? I imagine that's 'cos he keeps getting fired for all those mistakes he makes with numberplates. :)

[*Ace*]

Well they can keep it there coz we dont want it over ere.... :mad:

[bikergreg]

looks like i will have to stay in first gear when in Norfolk :D :D

[dracken1]

1045 words (pasted it into word i didn't count them) :D

to describe what i could put into just 6 words

"NORFOLK COUNTY COUNCIL'S LATEST BUSINESS VENTURE"

[ChopperFXR]

They posted an email address to send replies to, so I sent them this:

Norfolk SPEED + GREED CAMERAS

I, like many other responsible bikers welcome any initiative to reduce the number of motorcycle casulaties. However, once again the powers that be are simply following a rather tedious trend by blaming the bikers themselves.

As per usual the figures are reported in such a way as to make it look like all bikers are speed freaks that have no regard for thier own or anybody elses safety. The manner in which this issue is being reported simply states the number of bikers killed or seriously injured.

Of those bikers killed or injured, how many of the accidents were a direct result of excessive speed by the bike rider? How many of the accidents were caused by careless car drivers? That part of the statistics is not revealed in the report. It is just too easy to point the finger at bikers instead of looking past the end result to see what actually caused the accident.

I am sure there are a few bike riders that exceed the speed limit. The guy doing nearly double the limit near a school deserves to lose his licence. However, the greater majority of bike riders are fully aware of the risks and ride according to the road, traffic and weather conditions.

Instead of spending large sums of council tax payers money on even more revenue gathering ventures, why do the powers that be, not look at the real cause of the majority of road accidents? The vast majority of bike/vehicle collisions are the result of the vehicle driver, NOT paying attention, NOT looking for bikes, NOT making any allowances for bikes. It is not bikers causing these accidents, it is inconsiderate and careless car drivers.

Until the people in authority start looking at the real figures and thier true causes, we will be swamped with more and more of these revenue gathering exercises. In case any reader has missed my point, here it is in plain English:

When you drive a car and do not pay attention to what you are doing, you become a serious liability to all road users anywhere near you. While not paying attention, you pull out into the path of a motorcycle who collides with the side of your car. Even at 30mph, there is a very good chance that you are going to cause very serious or fatal injuries to the bike rider and or his pillion rider.

THINK BIKE!!!

Chopper. Somerset.

Whats the betting it will be badly edited or just not printed?

Chopper.

[cherryB]

Very eloquently put Sir! ;) But will they take any notice???? will they F@@k :(

[dracken1]

pisses me off when they go on about schemes to make bikers more aware. they admit that most times it is the fault of a car, lorry 4x4 etc etc driver. but it's us who should be aware.

it does not matter how aware you are when a car pulls out of a junction 10 ft in front of you :mad:

[Grav]

When you drive a car and do not pay attention to what you are doing, you become a serious liability to all road users anywhere near you. While not paying attention, you pull out into the path of a motorcycle who collides with the side of your car. Even at 30mph, there is a very good chance that you are going to cause very serious or fatal injuries to the bike rider and or his pillion rider.


I and several of my fellow NABD members are living proof of this.

IIRC, there was a survey conducted by the DoT in conjunction with MAG, BMF and MCN a while ago. The results of the survey concluded that in the vast majority of RTA's involving motorcycles and another vehicle, excessive speed was NOT a factor in the cause of the accident. Driver error on the part of the car driver WAS.

It's yet another example of the powers that be altering facts to suit their own agenda.

[gothtec]

£1.3 million for a life better phone me insurance !!! :eek: :D :rolleyes:

Thats the cost to clean up the mess, its conciderably cheaper than if the victim survives.

[ChopperFXR]

I and several of my fellow NABD members are living proof of this.

IIRC, there was a survey conducted by the DoT in conjunction with MAG, BMF and MCN a while ago. The results of the survey concluded that in the vast majority of RTA's involving motorcycles and another vehicle, excessive speed was NOT a factor in the cause of the accident. Driver error on the part of the car driver WAS.

It's yet another example of the powers that be altering facts to suit their own agenda.

I cannot see the point of a survey that is conducted by educated people, paid for out of tax payers money and then the results are ignored or altered to prove a false point. In my book that is just bull****.

This camera van is NOT anything to do with motorcycle rider safety. It is all about collecting money. Add up the cost in financial terms, officials man hours, vehicle running costs and manpower to run this vehicle, plus the two that are on order. Then work out the cost of having a motorcycle awareness section added to the car driving test. The authorities already have all the information they need to include an awareness section in the test and training.

Any rider paying enough attention to what is going on around him will spot these vans way ahead of him/her. Those not paying enough attention will get a wake up call.

Meanwhile the ignorant, light blind, careless and downright bloody dangerous 4 wheel vehicle drivers are going to be allowed to increase the death and injury statistics of motorcycle riders. In effect this new camera van is government sponsored negligence. In my book these so called experts are failing in thier duty to ALL road users. They are blinded to thier true purpose by thier overwhelming greed and incompetance.

Chopper. :mad:

[Grav]

I cannot see the point of a survey that is conducted by educated people, paid for out of tax payers money and then the results are ignored or altered to prove a false point. In my book that is just bull****.



I believe that very sentiment was voiced at the time of the survey and has undoubtedly been proven to be correct.

I have always been an advocate of improving Driver Education, there's plenty of room on the roads for everyone if we all look out for each other, yet successive governments have ignored this option in favour of a punitive policy towards bad driving. There's little reward for good driving is there? Multiple years No Claims bonus does not always mean cheaper insurance premiums for careful road users and as far as I am aware, there is no real incentive to promote good driving practice.

[eddie axeman]

my brother was stationary in the middle of the road waiting to turn into work in norfolk when a car hit him up the arse and killed him when the police checked the scene they found that the car driver was speeding but the driver got of with acidental death was it crap law or was it the fact that the bloke who hit him had his wife working at the courts. all the police ended up doing was to change the speed limit from 40 to 30 and because the bike hit a sign we had to pay to have it fixed :eek:

[Nik]

my brother was stationary in the middle of the road waiting to turn into work in norfolk when a car hit him up the arse and killed him when the police checked the scene they found that the car driver was speeding but the driver got of with acidental death was it crap law or was it the fact that the bloke who hit him had his wife working at the courts. all the police ended up doing was to change the speed limit from 40 to 30 and because the bike hit a sign we had to pay to have it fixed :eek:

Jesus. Sorry to hear that, Eddie.

[eddie axeman]

that is the reson i now build bikes my bro was building bikes when he got killed i like to build because i know he will be looking down and smileing that i am carrying on where he left of always trying for my perfect bike but you wont know till you build it :D