View Full Version : BNP Leafelts cause 'storm'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3752615.stm
Scottish fiscals are checking to see if leaflets distributed by the BNP are illegal. The article quotes a few people who are 'upset' and 'shocked' by the material. Pretty certain those that complained are either Asian, or Commie Left arseholes.
Seems the powers that be will stop at nothing to devalue and rubbish the BNP - why wont they take them on in a political debate - like they do with each other?
devon-tony
27-05-2004, 11:47 AM
think its just a matter of time before the issues are really forced back in the faces of the goivernment, I know for a fact that here in my area the BNP guy "anthony north" has got quite a strong following, and even the local papers are following it very closely, there is also quite a strong feeling in this area from the older generations that he is the way to go, I am awaiting to see just how many of those people will put the "X" where there mouth is come polling day.
sadly this country has decided to be so PC that it is afraid of saying the wrong thing to the wrong people and offending them, so now it is the rightful people of the country that are treated as the underdog and have to suffer in silence.
but how much longer till that underdog decides to bite back!!!
Who knows? I want to be there on the day that the British people stand up and be counted. This Bulldog may look old and tired at present, but beware, when she is roused, she can and will bite, and bite hard.
GarrysPhrogg
27-05-2004, 12:01 PM
You can learn more about the BNP here....
http://www.bnp.org.uk/
I already know everything I need to about the BNP - it's just a shame the John Tyndall is not leader as Griffin has sold the members down the river in an attempt to gain electoral success.
100%Pat
27-05-2004, 12:11 PM
While I believe in everyones freedom of speech and will agree with most said, just for the record I'd like to say early on so its VERY clear. Not that anyone on here would ever do it.... :D
I would not like it if this site turned into a BNP promo site, again, I agree with their stance on SOME things but I dont feel this is the place for that.
I will quickly delete anything advocating VIOLENCE. I like my magazine just as it is thanks, and value my job too much!
Sorry to be so heavy, but I had to make it clear.
Cheers Pat ;)
Indeed Pat, I would never advocate violence either - that is never the way to go.
I believe the discussion regarding the BNP (of which I am not a member) is not fully dislocated from that of the bike scene - we have problems with over effective legislation and persecution just as they do.
Mrs Reject
27-05-2004, 12:19 PM
Thing is whatever people think about the BNP and they are not really my cup of tea for various reasons i.e capital punishment etc they are nonetheless entitled to stand for election like all the other parties.
Once we start banning certain political parties because they don't have conventional or PC beliefs we are no better than a communist state.
Like all other parties they are entitled to produce leaflets, campaign and stand for election. The day this country starts banning freedom of speech and certain political parties from standing is the day I b*gger off abraod and live somewhere else because you can be sure worse will follow!!!
100%Pat
27-05-2004, 12:21 PM
I really dont have a problem with a sensible discussion on the BNP I believe you and me are in agreement with a lot of other folk on here when it comes to the state of our country , I just felt for the magazines (and my job) sake that I had to make the position clear for everyone.
As long as the debate is well reasoned, not exorting violence , completely over the top, or doesnt take over the site, :D Im happy with that.
When have you ever known me to have anything other than sensible discussion.
Ok, point taken.
BigBod
27-05-2004, 12:27 PM
Think yourselves lucky, is all we've got down here is Peter Bottomly!!!!!
Think yourselves lucky, is all we've got down here is Peter Bottomly!!!!!
Sorry to hear that mate :D
BlackPig
27-05-2004, 12:35 PM
Thing is whatever people think about the BNP and they are not really my cup of tea for various reasons i.e capital punishment etc they are nonetheless entitled to stand for election like all the other parties.
Once we start banning certain political parties because they don't have conventional or PC beliefs we are no better than a communist state.
Like all other parties they are entitled to produce leaflets, campaign and stand for election. The day this country starts banning freedom of speech and certain political parties from standing is the day I b*gger off abraod and live somewhere else because you can be sure worse will follow!!!
If you decide to go don't bother with the EEC.France an' Italy are doin' a fine job of just that !!The worst o' it is that both countries have right wing gouvernements(?),go figure !!
Talkin' with friends in Germany apparantly it's the same there.The people in power will do anything to stop someone else from 'avin' it away from 'em
At the end o' the day it don't matter who wins,we allways lose !!
Or summat like that :confused:
Have a nice day.
100%Pat
27-05-2004, 01:08 PM
My point was'nt aimed directly at just you, it was for everyone who may be reading the site too, I didnt want 'other' extremists thinking it was a free for all. I've read your posts with interest on the other site, and know that you understand the limits of this site, it was others watching and looking in that i was talking to. Just in case! ;)
UKRobKLR650
27-05-2004, 01:17 PM
Well my X has gone in the little box by the side of the BNP. As Abb said, pity about Nick Griffin but who knows, maybe he well be the bloke who gets em into power, then we can set about making them listen hopefully and sort the party out. I dont agree with 100% of what they say but they come bloody close. Good luck to em.
Mad Dog
27-05-2004, 02:24 PM
Wafer Thin Mint, anyone? :)
Simon B
27-05-2004, 02:47 PM
We'll I believe if your a leagal party you should be aloud to have your say.
Yesterday they had the BNP candidate who is running for Mayor of London. I was there listening ears open etc.
But he didnt really have anything to say on local issue's didnt have answers for most things and said he didnt have all the information in front of him to comment on any sticky subject. i agree with many of their views, but I dont see how someone whether they have Black, yellow or whatever colour skin who has been born in this country along with their parents etc cannot be British? sorry but if your born here your British.
Dont get me wrong Im glad that Hook hand got nicked this morning and looks like he will be sent to the US. But I dont believe that the only thing that make's you British is the colour of your skin.
Anyone how many people are actually going to bother to vote in Euro elections etc will be interesting enough.
when folk on these forums protest about foreigners living in Britain who do they mean? blacks? arabs? asians? what about white foreigners....Italians/serbs/irish etc etc
is there a general tendancy for people to be against mainly black and asian immigrants?
and as simon says the immigrants of today become the parents of British citizens of tomorrow
I am interested because I know of at least one person on these forums who is married to a someone who is not caucasian,
(I don't know if she was born here)
is she part of your problem with foreigners???
Bosun
27-05-2004, 03:05 PM
But he didnt really have anything to say on local issue's didnt have answers for most things and said he didnt have all the information in front of him to comment on any sticky subject. .
sadly seems the way with most parties, i usually read all bumf when elections come around and will usually go with one who says most for my area.etc
sorry but if your born here your British.
Just because one is born in a kennel, it does not make one a dog.
100%Pat
27-05-2004, 03:18 PM
I wouldnt want anything to upset anyone on here, I'm (and I assume most of us) are not anti foreigner at all, my own ancestry wouldnt hold up very well either...
My problem as I've said before is with the integration part of immigration, I have no probs with normal decent law abiding folk who wish to live and work here, settle, INTEGRATE, and make a decent life. I have two main moans
1 Folk from anywhere that come here, form their own little enclaves, refuse to live by our rules or generally integrate at all, I live in North Wales, My kids grew up learning welsh, mine is limited but I try my best, I would never dream of going to another country and not learning their language... thats ignorant. But folk do it all the time.
2, I have a problem with folk coming here to scrounge, and getting more than their fair share of our countries taxes in benefits, we have anough scroungers in this country that were born here, we dont need the rest of the worlds rubbish as well. I dont care what faith or colour they are, they should have to support themselves if they come here.
See what you've done.... you got me in rant mode
when folk on these forums protest about foreigners living in Britain who do they mean? blacks? arabs? asians? what about white foreigners....Italians/serbs/irish etc etc
The issue now is not so much those who are here and a integrated members of society, the issue is with those who were not born here, or those who do not wish to integrate with society. Those who would see our culture and customs changed to suit their needs without changing their to adapt to our way of life. There is also an issue with those beloning to particular faiths that claim allegiance over and above that of the country of origin - those 'nation faiths' are dangerous.
am interested because I know of at least one person on these forums who is married to a someone who is not caucasian,
(I don't know if she was born here)
is she part of your problem with foreigners???
If it is who I think you mean, no she wasn't, and no, she isn't a part of the problem as she is happily married and fully immersed in Western lifestyle - probably more so than most Brits to be honest.
Mrs Reject
27-05-2004, 03:26 PM
If you decide to go don't bother with the EEC.France an' Italy are doin' a fine job of just that !!The worst o' it is that both countries have right wing gouvernements(?),go figure !!
Talkin' with friends in Germany apparantly it's the same there.The people in power will do anything to stop someone else from 'avin' it away from 'em
At the end o' the day it don't matter who wins,we allways lose !!
Or summat like that :confused:
Have a nice day.
I'll be voting for UKIP as usual. The further we are away from the EU the happier I'll be!!!
Oops, shouldn't have accepted the mint *rumble, rumble* :)
BlackPig
27-05-2004, 03:54 PM
Get out of the United States of Europe while you still have the chance !!
(Sorry Pat,this is not propaganda,ok ? LOL)
Seriously,I honestly think things are gonna go tits up in the next few years and I hope Britain wakes up an' smells the coffee afore it's too late.
Vote, it's important BUT do it sensibly,if y'know what I mean,sort of !
:(
baldybongo
27-05-2004, 04:50 PM
Why discriminate, kill em all !!!
Simon B
27-05-2004, 05:09 PM
ABB, if your born in this country or have lived here for 15yrs you are entitled to a British passport, which makes you a british citizen, thats the fact of it. Whatever your views are, whether you agree or disagree.
Now the old argument as for what makes you British/Scottish/Welsh/English or Irish.
The guy from the BNP when questioned about how far back in someones history he would go. Answered if your not a direct decendant of a British person. Whats one of those he was asked back, he just said white. If they are going to keep muddling things up over the colour of skin they aint never going to get anywhere. Ive got a couple of bloody goods mates who are Black and they are as English as me, and I love to see someone tell them that their not.
If people come here to scrounge or to preach hatred get them out of my country no matter what there colour is.
Gypsy
27-05-2004, 05:27 PM
Doro says
ex-pats (not you hinny lol) living in Spain don't learn the lingo, and they all live in the same area and go to British run pubs etc
the Hisidic Jews in Gateshead are as insular as you can get
but I agree
when in Rome and all that
so I take it peeps aren't racists per se, just against folk who refuse to join in?
(this is a genuine enquiry BTW not winding u up)
I didn't mean you-know-who Abbs, tis someone else
from my experience of living in Gateshead I can say that if the Jews mixed more the non hisidic people there would be a lot less hostile towards them
Jews believe that Gentiles (all none Jews) should be killed - it's in the Talmud. Thankfully even the most Orthodox Jews today realise that this is dumb (cept in Israel)
Jews will never mix - Historically they never did, even before we kicked em out of the country in the 16th centuary (annexing of Jews from Europe and the invention of the term Ghetto)
We must thank Mr Cromwell for allwoing them back in again.
GarrysPhrogg
28-05-2004, 09:29 AM
I already know everything I need to about the BNP - .
I don't know everything about the BNP and pressumed that many people won't know everything so I thought I'd put this link up so that if anyone wanted to make any comments on them they could read up on them first, so that they could make informed comments/judgements :), i don't support any party I think they are all lieing money grabbing dicks.
I do have my own views on refugees and asylum seekers but I will keep them to myself for now :)
Mrs Reject
28-05-2004, 10:38 PM
Just saw the BNP party political broadcast on t.v - oops that's going to upset the PC brigade, it was rather inflammatory.
They didn't say anything that everyone isn't thinking anyway but no one usually dares to say it.
Wait for the fallout tomorrow :D
Personal view.
If you are willing to contribute to our society then in my view you are welcome to join.
If you aren't then you can F**K OFF.
This includes all the little vermin who are born here but think they are owed a living off the rest of us.
Too many people blame foreigners but forget the vermin that we have also produced.
I have met plenty of people over the years who are WASP but make me ashamed to be English. I've also met a few Indians who make me very proud for having helped build something to aspire to.
Don't judge by race or colour, judge by attitude and comittment.
Totally agree with Jim. I have loads of black and asian mates, a lot of them have similar attitudes to bikers ie. once a friend always a friend, but cross them and you're f****d. I have only ever been set upon and intimidated by white people and have only ever experienced racism from white people (english kid in Scotland). The average immigrant wont travel half way across this planet to sit on their arse, they want to make something of their lives hence all the asian owned corner shops. It is a very vocal and violent minority that cause the damage, just like football hooligans - who've managed to turn the rest of the world against england fans (not that I give a toss about football).
toots&purple
29-05-2004, 11:21 AM
im not a member of em,but they got my vote :cool:
Shudy
30-05-2004, 07:49 AM
Personal view.
If you are willing to contribute to our society then in my view you are welcome to join.
If you aren't then you can F**K OFF.
This includes all the little vermin who are born here but think they are owed a living off the rest of us.
Too many people blame foreigners but forget the vermin that we have also produced.
I have met plenty of people over the years who are WASP but make me ashamed to be English. I've also met a few Indians who make me very proud for having helped build something to aspire to.
Don't judge by race or colour, judge by attitude and comittment.
Having sat in a pub yesterday in Cambridge and read "Freedom" the paper of the BNP, You would seem to fit in well Jim, incidently the PO Box is in Balsham!
Santa
30-05-2004, 02:21 PM
At the end of the day, how far back do you wish to go to define "British". It is a fact that the only people who can truly call themselves British are the Welsh! The rest of the so called white british are a goodly mix of Angles and Saxons (both tribes from the region now called Germany) and of course Vikings (from scandinavia)! So if folks want to start talking about sending people back from whence they came there won't be many of us who qualify to remain! My own view has always been that if I get on with someone then they're all right - no matter what colour, race, or religion they are. I do however agree that no-one should be allowed to just sponge off of our welfare state, but they don't have to be immigrants to do that - there are more than enough so called WASP's doing that already! (for those who may be unaware the AS in WASP stands for Anglo-Saxon - those Germans again!).
BlackPig
30-05-2004, 02:41 PM
...Protestant !!!
How many of them go to religious services then ???
My bet is less than 20%.
Grow up ,
Get a life,
It's to short to be squabblin'
THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK TO ANYBODY.I HOPE THAT'S CLEAR !!
Have a nice day !!!!! :D
Santa
30-05-2004, 03:05 PM
That's the most sensible post on this entire thread!
dracken1
30-05-2004, 03:47 PM
pinawn da pat.
sut ydych chi'n heddiw cariad?
Santa
30-05-2004, 04:29 PM
I had one of them, but the legs fell off! (Think I bought it from Ewock & Tuck)
BlackPig
30-05-2004, 05:02 PM
That's the most sensible post on this entire thread!
Glad to be of service !!
(at last my link works now !!) :cool:
blackhack
31-05-2004, 12:21 AM
Ride a RAT and live a little !!!!!!
well I did for a while, but I was lucky, I managed to divorce her eventually.
Pagan
31-05-2004, 07:37 AM
Jews believe that Gentiles (all none Jews) should be killed - it's in the Talmud. Thankfully even the most Orthodox Jews today realise that this is dumb (cept in Israel)
Jews will never mix - Historically they never did, even before we kicked em out of the country in the 16th centuary (annexing of Jews from Europe and the invention of the term Ghetto)
We must thank Mr Cromwell for allwoing them back in again.
I don't know where you got this from but the concept of Tzedakah (social justice/compassion) says
"Do not ill treat a stranger (i.e. a non-Israelite) or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt."
This is the strongest argument against Israels stand in the Middle East as it is in conflict with their own teachings.
As for people believing that the BNP would treat bikers any better than any other party, you are dreaming! If a party will discriminate about something as inconsequential as skin colour they will discriminate against people who lead an alternative lifestyle and don't fit into their idea of a good citizen. Trust them (or any political party for that matter!?) at your own peril.
Simon B
31-05-2004, 10:49 AM
There used to be a sticker on scooter rallies back in the early eighties, it said '' Keep politics out of scootering''
This was all because of the far right ,socialist worker etc kept turning up at Rallies. they thought that scooter riders would be ideal to get on their side and vote for them. Also had a lot to do with the race riots and also the miners strikes.
Much like religion, politics brings out the worst in people. Unless it's to do with legislation against bikers I think we should not bother to discuss politics or religion.
If one party was to offer something of interest to bikers ie get rid of bike tax, allow bikes in bus lanes all over the UK then yep its well worth discussing.
Anyone else want a '' KEEP POLITICS OUT OF BIKING'' sticker?
GarrysPhrogg
31-05-2004, 12:14 PM
excellent Si B .......... I'm wanting a sticker like that :)
Friar Tuck
31-05-2004, 05:43 PM
Si B and Pagan have hit the nail right on the head!
Whilst I appreciate freedom of speech and all that, I joined this site for the camaraderie of biking, sharing jokes, and generally gassing about biking issues! I ain't inerested in anyone else's politics thank you very much!
Having sat in a pub yesterday in Cambridge and read "Freedom" the paper of the BNP, You would seem to fit in well Jim, incidently the PO Box is in Balsham!
Ah Balsham ! that hotbed of racial hysteria.
Can't see me fitting in with the BNP though.
UKRobKLR650
31-05-2004, 08:18 PM
Politics is part of bikes im afraid. Hide away from it if ya like but i suppose the likes of MAG etc well lose out. :rolleyes:
Friar Tuck
01-06-2004, 03:54 AM
Truth be known Politics is part of every day life! I come here to discuss biking issues which includes MAG. BMF etc.
I really don't want to hear about other peoples thoughts on whether Immigrants/Asylum seekers/spongers and the like need to be accepted/chucked out or whatever! Or whether the Labour/Conservative/Lib Dem/Green/BNP or whoever need to be the next government!
I'm not burying my head in the sand, I get enough of what goes on in life through the TV/News/ every day contact at work for me to make/form my own opinions and decisions.
I look at biking as a way to escape from the everyday ratrace!
seedless
01-06-2004, 07:06 AM
Lets face it if you burnt the national flag during World War I or II, you would be tried for treason.
And the sentence for that has never changed. :mad:
Sir Ewok
01-06-2004, 07:43 AM
I remember back in the year dot being persuaded to go to a BNP meeting by my brother, who was a member. After I left, I couldn't stop laughing. What a bunch of w*nkers, I thought. Singing songs about gassing jews, spitting vitriol about blacks, asians and gays and generally acting up. Personally I don't think they have changed internally from those days, only the public face has changed. Many extremist parties start out their election campaigns with milder or more 'sensible' ideas, but once in power they revert to type. Look at Hitlers Germany or Communist Russia for evidence of that. Looking for scapegoats (Jews, Blacks or Bikers) is as old as man itself.
I only ever voted for them while there was no chance of them winning. If I thought my vote would get them in, then I'd vote elsewhere. I only use them to scare the government into (hopefully) changing their attitudes to all it's subjects. ie we are cows to be milked to support the idle and useless. That means both the section of immigrants that come to sponge and worse the lazy gets who were born here.
Simon B
01-06-2004, 08:11 AM
UK Rob, I agree politics is a part of life. But if I really want to discuss political issue that have nothing to do directly with biking , there are plenty of other forums for that.
If its about legislations etc then fair enough Ill listen. Ok I know the freedom of speach people willl bleat on but 100% Biker and the site ( in my opinion) is for bikers about bikers. Im not hiding away from anything I think I'm fairly politically aware.
And can anyone tell me if the BNP have any policies to do with motorcyling, if so Ill happily listen?????????
100%Pat
01-06-2004, 08:16 AM
****, dont ask me to write it in Welsh, but thanks I am fine. I understand more than can speak or write. I just can't get the grammar, I know 'words' but cannot get the sentence constuction, but then I've never took lessons just picked it up as I went along. :p
UKRobKLR650
01-06-2004, 08:42 AM
Lets face it if you burnt the national flag during World War I or II, you would be tried for treason.
And the sentence for that has never changed. :mad:
Actually, hate to contradict you mate but it has changed. It used to be the death sentence, now you get a council house, money, clothes and if you add to burning the flag speaches about bombing Britain you get security to.
seedless
01-06-2004, 05:02 PM
Actually, hate to contradict you mate but it has changed. It used to be the death sentence, now you get a council house, money, clothes and if you add to burning the flag speaches about bombing Britain you get security to.
Aye I know what you mean Rob, pity we cant turn the clock back isn't it :mad:
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