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kennptwo
27-11-2004, 12:33 PM
Hope you don't mind me mentioning that on here but I just discovered if you type in www.backstreetheroes.com it takes you to their website but if you type in www.backstreetheroes.co.uk - it brings you to 100% Biker!!
Unless it's me doing something wrong - is this a cunning plane Pat?? :confused:
Hope you don't mind me mentioning that on here but I just discovered if you type in www.backstreetheroes.com it takes you to their website but if you type in www.backstreetheroes.co.uk - it brings you to 100% Biker!!
Unless it's me doing something wrong - is this a cunning plane Pat?? :confused:
Nothing you're doing wrong Kenn. We are quite aware that Stuart Mears of 100%'s parent company registered the domain name backstreetheroes.co.uk in January 2000. We could contest it, particularly as, in addition to registering the name of another trademarked publication, it is being used to direct traffic to 100%'s own site, something which is now being regulated in internet law. But we figured that it was - like picking out the 'B' 'S' and 'H' in the word 'bull****' on the cover - a cheap shot with which it wasn't worth bothering. :)
No offence Pat - but I did want to explain the situation here. :)
kennptwo
27-11-2004, 02:59 PM
Oops!!
cheers Blue.
BlackPig
27-11-2004, 02:59 PM
I've just stopped my subscription to BSH,I know it's not the fault of Blue or any of the others that work for the mag,but I find that £25 extra a year to have it sent across the channel is a bit of a pisstake.
However, I'm inclined to agree with Blue on the subject of the web addy.
. We could contest it, particularly as, in addition to registering the name of another trademarked publication,
I thought anyone could buy any available domain name and use it for their own purposes, I'm sure this is the same situation as lemmykilminsters son has with his school and they were told the school didn't have a leg to stand on?
Lots of sites have done this, for example sites have registered similar names to corporations and used the site to slag em off, maybe it only becomes an issue is slander or libel occurs?
ho hum, if this is true then I have learned something today
Indeed, anyone can register any domain name ... but, if it can be shown that
the domain name is identical or confusingly similar to a trademark or service mark, the registree has no rights or legitimate interests in the domain name, and/or that the domain name was registered and is being used in bad faith, then there are strong grounds for litigation.
Black Pig - I take your point, but as you realise, it is beyond our control. No doubt you've noticed that 100% has the same problem.
Peirre
27-11-2004, 04:58 PM
Indeed, anyone can register any domain name ... but, if it can be shown that
the domain name is identical or confusingly similar to a trademark or service mark, the registree has no rights or legitimate interests in the domain name, and/or that the domain name was registered and is being used in bad faith, then there are strong grounds for litigation.
am i wrong in asuming that this only apply`s to .co.uk domain names?
since http://www.nominet.org.uk/ the uk`s domain name regulators don`t have any powers to rule on any other domain name types (.org .net etc) :confused: :confused:
Peirre
27-11-2004, 05:13 PM
BTW,
you can find out who is the registrant of any .uk domain name by doing a WHOIS search at http://www.nic.uk/whois
Jonnyfp
27-11-2004, 05:15 PM
Did someone mention Domain..? :D
mr.chaz
27-11-2004, 05:52 PM
I noticed this a good few months ago too, and privately e mailed Pat about it.
I was given an honest , balanced reply that made me laff a lot.
I also didn't think it should have been mentioned on here , as it could cause problems.
It really does make me laff - I always used to do things like this , it's sharp business practice - and if you don't do it , someone else will. I'm sure many other magazines and their webmasters do all kind of tricks too. It's a free business market after all!
;)
BlackPig
27-11-2004, 06:04 PM
Black Pig - I take your point, but as you realise, it is beyond our control. No doubt you've noticed that 100% has the same problem.
Blue - As I stated earlier,it's beyond your control,and I have no bones with anybody,apart from the publishers,on the subject.
At the moment 100% charges £17 extra (or there abouts),but if the same thing happens here, then I shall have to cut my ties completely with the British biking press.That would really be rather annoying................
I still haven't got over(or understood)the demise of the late lamented AWOL,but thats all to do with the f'kin' publishers again ,i suppose.
Stands down from soap box.
;) :) :D :rolleyes:
Blue - As I stated earlier,it's beyond your control,and I have no bones with anybody,apart from the publishers,on the subject.
At the moment 100% charges £17 extra (or there abouts),but if the same thing happens here, then I shall have to cut my ties completely with the British biking press.That would really be rather annoying................
I knew that 100% was about £18 extra for Europe - ours is higher simply because, with 50 extra pages, each issue is heavier for postage.
IIt really does make me laff - I always used to do things like this , it's sharp business practice - and if you don't do it , someone else will. I'm sure many other magazines and their webmasters do all kind of tricks too. It's a free business market after all!
;)
Sharp business practice doesn't always work, though. :)
mr.chaz
27-11-2004, 06:49 PM
Sharp business practice doesn't always work, though. :)
Yes.... but it's all part of "the game" isn't it?
( ggg,good game , good game !)
and ( they do say) "It's not whether you win or lose , but how you play the game". ;)
Not really Mr Chaz. There are various things over which we could have taken issue, but chose not to, so it's disappointing and saddening when something like this happens. But, as you can probably guess, we're not losing sleep over it! :)
mr.chaz
27-11-2004, 08:34 PM
well...
to be honest , it's f*ck all to do with any of us that frequent this forum.
but... don't be sad or disapointed any further - it's Saturday night n' all ! :)
acidpixie
27-11-2004, 09:12 PM
this thread is a perfect example of just how ive managed to keep my youthfull, wrinkle free looks which hide my age.... because i really dont have a clue as to what the heck is being explained here.
...totally over my head... whooosh. :confused:
Huw Beer Monster
30-11-2004, 09:14 AM
am i wrong in asuming that this only apply`s to .co.uk domain names?
since http://www.nominet.org.uk/ the uk`s domain name regulators don`t have any powers to rule on any other domain name types (.org .net etc) :confused: :confused:
Not at all, all this is all covered by Intellectual Property law. Check out WIPO
Sir Ewok
30-11-2004, 11:34 AM
at least nobody can touch www.Ewockandtucktradingempire.com We own all variations of this name and anybody infringing our intellectual property rights will not live to see us in court........
at least nobody can touch www.Ewockandtucktradingempire.com We own all variations of this name and anybody infringing our intellectual property rights will not live to see us in court........
Would anyone want to get close enough to you to infringe your rights? :D
Ewok - Owner Of Fringe!
Bosun
30-11-2004, 01:27 PM
nuf said :D
mr.chaz
30-11-2004, 01:34 PM
nuf said :D
Bloody hell -
that's Mrs.Rejects' jacket!
:)
ForestFred
30-11-2004, 02:48 PM
Bloody hell -
that's Mrs.Rejects' jacket!
:) Are you sure I cant see the I LOVE KATIE MELUA badge anywhere
:D
Bosun
30-11-2004, 04:30 PM
Bloody hell -
that's Mrs.Rejects' jacket!
:)
oh bother :o ducks and runs for cover :o
Sir Ewok
01-12-2004, 03:47 AM
Would anyone want to get close enough to you to infringe your rights? :D
Ewok - Owner Of Fringe!
That hurt!!! I will be insulting my solicitors, Messrs Sue, Grabbitt and Runne.
TaxiDave
01-12-2004, 05:46 PM
Are you sure I cant see the I LOVE KATIE MELUA badge anywhere
:D
Its the top rocker on the back :D
davesatan
01-12-2004, 07:41 PM
i would like to offer to infringe blue. As a gift i bring chocolate cake for futher details pm me blue dave satan the man in fur
No doubt Mr Mears thinks he's being very clever with his latest trick with the www.backstreetheroes.co.uk URL. Too clever, he may find. :cool:
No doubt Mr Mears thinks he's being very clever with his latest trick with the www.backstreetheroes.co.uk URL. Too clever, he may find. :cool:
Once upon a time, I used to read AWOL, BSH, and 100%. (Cost a friggin fortune! :eek: )
Then AWOL went away and I was sad. :(
If this disolves into a battle between the owners of BSH and 100%, the readers will be the losers.
We could end up with just one mag to read. :(
It's a shame not everyone has the same sense of honour that (most) bikers I know have.
Simon B
29-06-2005, 06:57 PM
Think it would all be best if each magazine just let the magazine do the talking and let the public decide which they want to buy, I buy both and enjoy them and there must be enough room out there for two good quality bike magazines aimed at custom bikes.
And just so I dont get attacked by either of them I think Pat n Blue are splendid too :D
Can you imagine everyone's outrage if we'd done the same thing and bought 100%'s URL?
I was imagining the outrage if someone bought an MC's URL. :eek:
And then dangled it on the end of a £10,000 line.
Perhaps I'm just naive to the ways of business.
Time for my pennys worth.
I run a retail business and where advertising is concerned all is fair in love and war, whilst Mr Mears has been a bit sharp on this one I can only suppose that the opposition has been a bit slow by letting him get away with it.
The purpose of a business is to make money. Pat is the accetable,friendly and public face of 100% but behind her are the people whose job it is to make money and trim costs (usual business practice).
If someone gets one over on you then fair play.
Only way to be ahead is to think ahead.
Dougie
29-06-2005, 07:55 PM
Rightly or wrongly many folk were unhappy about the demise of AWoL.It seemed that MMP (BSH's original owners) bought it to shut it down and eliminate the competition,despite the promises that were made in BSH.
That is,of course,water under the bridge,but let's hope that this squabble between publishers can be settled quickly and amicably,as there is definitely more than enough room for both BSH and 100%.However,mebbe this isn't the place to argue it out.
Time for my pennys worth.
I run a retail business and where advertising is concerned all is fair in love and war, whilst Mr Mears has been a bit sharp on this one I can only suppose that the opposition has been a bit slow by letting him get away with it.
The purpose of a business is to make money. Pat is the accetable,friendly and public face of 100% but behind her are the people whose job it is to make money and trim costs (usual business practice).
If someone gets one over on you then fair play.
Only way to be ahead is to think ahead.
You don't have to balance the PR side against 'sharp business practice'. We are aware that whatever moves we make and however justified those moves are, certain people will instantly shriek that it's 'bully boy tactics' from a bigger magazine, and no doubt that's just what they would like to be able to do, which is why we haven't stepped up to the plate and played that game up to now.
Anyway, probably be immaterial this time next year. :D
Its not 'bully boy tactics" if you want to get what you want in a fair and legal manner. By the same token its not surprising that the opposition will do whatever they can to raise their profile by available means.
I respect anybody who can think one step ahead of the opposition, thats what makes the 'game' interesting.
I've been wrong footed before but have come back from a different angle (keeps things fresh and interesting).
Its not 'bully boy tactics" if you want to get what you want in a fair and legal manner. By the same token its not surprising that the opposition will do whatever they can to raise their profile by available means.
I respect anybody who can think one step ahead of the opposition, thats what makes the 'game' interesting.
I've been wrong footed before but have come back from a different angle (keeps things fresh and interesting).
I hope everyone else will see it your way.
I hope everyone else will see it your way.
If they did I'd be a very rich man !
But in regards to the topic I've no idea what others will think as I don't know what you are alluding to. Would love to know though ( Jim AKA Mr Nosey)
Friar Tuck
30-06-2005, 06:13 AM
I knew that 100% was about £18 extra for Europe - ours is higher simply because, with 50 extra pages, each issue is heavier for postage.
25 quid for 50 extra pages of adverts????
Friar Tuck
30-06-2005, 06:26 AM
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Anyway, probably be immaterial this time next year. :D
Mm! Something you're not telling us Blue? are we expecting to see some sort of Magazine war?
Tell us, was there some sort of bad blood between Stuart Mears and Steve Myatt, and now this is spilling over to your new(ish) owners?
If so, isn't this a bit childish?
I've probably totally misread and misinterpreted this whole thread, but why do I get this "My Mag is Better than your Mag, so Ner Na Ner Ner Ner!" feeling?
As soon as anyone mentions BSH vs 100% Biker up bubbles this sort of petty bickering! I buy both mags and like 'em for their different perspective on biking, even if BSH has a penchant for Harleys. So what?
So someone's bought a domain name, big deal!
Friar Tuck
30-06-2005, 06:36 AM
at least nobody can touch www.Ewockandtucktradingempire.com (http://www.ewockandtucktradingempire.com/) We own all variations of this name and anybody infringing our intellectual property rights will not live to see us in court........
we have perfected a really sneaky, special, wormy, trojan horsey, virus thingy that as soon as anyone types in any mention of "Ewokandtuck" their bank accounts are immediately accessed and drained of all available funds thereby rendering them bankrupt so any attempt to take us "out" becomes superfluous.
Failing that, we send out our desciples and "convert" them to our doctrines! :D
Ask Fayji and Forest Fred!
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