Cert 18 Keep it or drop it???

[100%Pat]

Well as its causing so many people upset... its up to you lot to vote, we are quite happy to go with the majority vote.

[Simon B]

How can it cause upset? if you dont like you dont look, isnt that the case?

[Gypsy]

im up for keeping it, like simon says (lol) if ya dont like it, dont go in :D

[Dont ask Me! I`m Stoned!]

Pesonaly Ive made one post and that was totaly irrelavent (as always)! I say keep it ! Not really my thing, but if others like it why not? I dont see how it can offend anyone as you need a pasword to get on and if ya dont like it...dont look! Thats wot i think! :o Sorry thats ROGUE MONKEYS post!

[GarrysPhrogg]

Well Ive not had time to get on here lately, but Ive requested a password and regardless of whether I'll use it or not I think it should stay as you don't have to go there and it's hidden from young eyes, also what happened to freedom of choice :)

[GarrysPhrogg]

So who said close it and why dont they say why it should be closed, come on you big wimps LOL :D erm Odie by any chance :p

[100%Pat]

I did wonder where you'd got to....
Cracklin Rosie ....

[GarrysPhrogg]

Busy busy busy......... but not with house work of course :D

[Otter]

I'll just sit on the fence, not bothered either way. If it's there, I'll browse and use it if I have anything to say.If it aint, I can't. Don't want to vote 'yes or no'.

Wotheysed...

[100%Pat]

If everyone voted if possible, we need to make this very clear cut, it must have a majority vote one way or another please....

[Doro]

I don't think we really need it as you can do so much more on the regular part of the forum than you can on other forums anyway, like pat's boobs (ha ha). A lot of people can't access this site from work cos of the boobs on the front page (so I'm told) and peeps like me who use it at work have to be careful anyway cos of the semi clad females at the top

having said that I don't see any harm in keeping it either

I got the password and I'll use it and maybe post stuff, but I won't worry if it stays or goes. But I have decided to vote for keeping it cos I think peeps are worrying about nothing, it isn't gonna be a porn site, the reaction has just got out of hand methinks

maybe changing the name like happybiker said will solve the problem?

[Choprocker]

I say keep it. was gonna say see ow it goes but if it causing offence then keep it, lol
How can it cause offence? you had to apply for password so they knew what it was all about but still applied? Doh, go figure.

[100%Pat]

It seems to be the whole point that its there at all not what it contains?

[Huw Beer Monster]

I think it should be closed. But not for the obvious reason.

The fact that there are scantily clad females and Pat and Blackhack's avatars on the the rest of the forum makes 100% essentially non work safe anyway.

If the primary concern was that kids may see "adult" stuff, then I'll stand by my earlier comments that kids should not be using the Internet unsupervised. 100% cannot be held responsible for some kid stumbling across adult material.

With regard to images/videos, it would be more beneficial from a "Work Safe/Kid Safe" point of view if, rather than posting pictures, people posted links to the pictures instead. That way, you could include in your post "Picture of $whatever - NOT WORK SAFE", then it's up to the individual to follow it up, with the additional benefit of it not taking up space on the web server running the 100% site.

As for text, what is there that's likely to be said in a post that would warrant it being in the "adult area" anyway? If it's extreme, then there's plenty of other places for it on the net rather than a biker site. If you really wanted to, you could activate a word filter, but they're as much use as a chocolate tea pot - examples can be provided.

It is impossible to censor the Internet. Self censorship is the only achievable goal and that cannot be done by placing a separate area for adult material, because there is still no mechanism to stop people posting similar stuff in the general area anyway!

So, bottom line

Take the area away
Allow people to use a bit of common sense about posting
Delete anything that breaks the law

[defarter]

Keep it, It's a choice you make and you dont have to go there if you dont want to. :) ;)

[cxdemon]

Well having had a shufty in there, all i can say is the darksides gone down snigger a bit since mr vader left, an yoda said poo!! :eek:
shouldn't be allowed words like that! it's that old personal choice thing again, leave it there and some will whinge, take it away and ditto.....maybe it was a bad idea to begin with but with the best of intentions, but now it's there you'll upset someone whatever you decide to do wi it! :cool:

right that's my two penny'worth.

[Bosun]

I think it should be closed. But not for the obvious reason.

With regard to images/videos, it would be more beneficial from a "Work Safe/Kid Safe" point of view if, rather than posting pictures, people posted links to the pictures instead. That way, you could include in your post "Picture of $whatever - NOT WORK SAFE", then it's up to the individual to follow it up, with the additional benefit of it not taking up space on the web server running the 100% site.




agree with that, not really fussed one way or other, site is moderated well any way and havent had a problem so far, so not really sure why needed anyway

i proberbly wouldn't worry with it anyway

[Bosun]

IA lot of people can't access this site from work cos of the boobs on the front page (so I'm told) and peeps like me who use it at work have to be careful anyway cos of the semi clad females at the top



clicking to default style removes ladies at top, useful tip for some

[TaxiDave]

Keep it. If its down to the fact that people don't like what it says they don't have to look. I personally say get rid of the workshop section 'cause I don't like it because at this time of year it makes me feel obligated to go and freeze to death in the shed. This brings on the toughts of piles, chill blanes and imminent discussions about divorce.

[Rogue Monkey]

Keep it! I thought bikers had open minds (not so open yer brains drop out). Not my thing but whats wrong with other people liking it? As you need a password to get on, anyone offended by it need never venture there! :o

[Tim1400]

It should be kept,don't look if you don't want to.I thought bikers were more open minded about things,but judging by the reaction and the annual round of letters bike mags get about having tits in them maybe I'm wrong :confused:

[BikerGran]

If everyone voted if possible, we need to make this very clear cut, it must have a majority vote one way or another please....

Well I would vote if there was a 3rd option - like, I don't care either way!

I haven't got a password for it but I don't mind if others do - not my problem.

I hope that it wasn't my thread about the lack of scantily clad males to gawp at that provoked the appearance of the new section - cos I was misunderstood and peeps thought I wanted nudes - maybe thats a male/female thing cos males like to look at nude females but thats cos we look much better with no clothes than they do! Ok, I'll stop rambling....






Coat!

[Santa]

Now it's there it might as well stay. Although it is of no interest to me, and I won't be requesting a password, I also abhor censorship and believe adults are capable of deciding for themselves what to look at and kids should not have unsupervised access to the net so shouldn't see it. May be a more relevant question would be shouldn't we have be asked if we wanted it BEFORE it was added! We're always being told it is OUR forum, so unilateral actions like this should not happen!
As for the viewing at work issue, in my experience most companies and organisations have a blanket ban on all staff using the net for non-work related (i.e. personal)use anyway, so whether there's tits and bums on the page or not you can still be disciplined (ooeer missus) for looking at work if caught - but then that's just another rule made for breaking!

[DANNY]

freedom.....freedom......freeeeeedom........ oh yeee.

[Huw Beer Monster]

It should be kept,don't look if you don't want to.I thought bikers were more open minded about things,but judging by the reaction and the annual round of letters bike mags get about having tits in them maybe I'm wrong :confused:

I don't disagree with your point, but I have a few observations to make.

1) Let's say that someone chooses not to get a password for the restricted area, because they're worried about what they'll encounter. A thread starts in the restricted area that becomes relevant to everyone, then person X will never see it. That's one reason why I'd prefer that everything got posted in the main forum areas, with the caveat being that people are sensible about what they post (see my earlier post for ideas)

2) I'd still like someone to justify the reasons why it was created in the first place. I'll make no bones about it, I haven't got a problem with any content on the Internet, but as an IT Manager with oodles of experience relating to content and its legal implications (including 6 years at a major law firm) I fail to see the need for the "Cert 18" area. Why create something you don't require. The site already contains images that "Concerned of Berkshire" would disagree with.

[Choprocker]

It seems to be the whole point that its there at all not what it contains?
So cos you avator got tits showing that causes offence too? lol
Have you had any complaints about your tits pat?
Pmsl, wot a cracking question to ask.

To tell you the truth i dont believe Pat had to ask this question.
We are a culture of openess on a lot of things tis why we like it.
At least Pat put it in a total differnt section and had password entry, some websites just have have it in there normal forums/site. which i think was the correct way of going bout things
Cant f*cking win whatever you do.
Dont like it, dont look at it.

Anyway you lot oo look at the site while at work, you should be getting on with your work not surfing, lol. if i find out i gonna tell your managers.

[krammer]

what a palaver! i personally can't stand coronation street but i don't begrudge others that do. its not as if there are 'how to build a dirty bomb' or 'how to murder your partner and get away with it' threads. mind you.......;)

[triker_gal]

I'm not bothered either way. I can't honestly say keep it, or say close it either.

(maybe it would be a good idea to get a vote first when something new is suggested before putting it into action ?)

ok, i'm off to noddy land again Zzzzzzzzzz :D

[triker_gal]

Having just read another thread, I ask you this.

Is it worth losing our members over ???? Surely not :(



Ria - Peacefull and quiet and going back to sleep Zzzzzzzz ;)

[Nitrowing]

So if I post something risque in the Main forum it will get moved/deleted?

[dracken1]

i'm not going to vote as its up to 100%.biker.
i do feel that it lowers the tone of the site seeing it there.
i know i say the same thing about taxidave :)

maybe i'm just a welsh prude

[Shudy]

What the fcuk has it got to do with biking?

It doesn't belong on a website supposedly for bikers.
Most people who use this site know what it is like. However , more pornographic items may attract non-bikers who may take over that section of the forum. If you don't know what scum lurks behind a keyboard pretending to be someone it ain't you need to wake up, get yer head outta yer arse and smell the roses. Another small point how do you know when little johnny aged 12 tells you he's over 18? Does it protect children, Adult sites usually require a credit card which implies 18ishness.

Get the smut back on the main pages where they belong!

[Shudy]

maybe i'm just a welsh prune

You're all right for a Taffy Boyo

[Friar Tuck]

I think it should be closed. But not for the obvious reason.

The fact that there are scantily clad females and Pat and Blackhack's avatars on the the rest of the forum makes 100% essentially non work safe anyway.

If the primary concern was that kids may see "adult" stuff, then I'll stand by my earlier comments that kids should not be using the Internet unsupervised. 100% cannot be held responsible for some kid stumbling across adult material.

With regard to images/videos, it would be more beneficial from a "Work Safe/Kid Safe" point of view if, rather than posting pictures, people posted links to the pictures instead. That way, you could include in your post "Picture of $whatever - NOT WORK SAFE", then it's up to the individual to follow it up, with the additional benefit of it not taking up space on the web server running the 100% site.

As for text, what is there that's likely to be said in a post that would warrant it being in the "adult area" anyway? If it's extreme, then there's plenty of other places for it on the net rather than a biker site. If you really wanted to, you could activate a word filter, but they're as much use as a chocolate tea pot - examples can be provided.

It is impossible to censor the Internet. Self censorship is the only achievable goal and that cannot be done by placing a separate area for adult material, because there is still no mechanism to stop people posting similar stuff in the general area anyway!

So, bottom line

Take the area away
Allow people to use a bit of common sense about posting
Delete anything that breaks the law
You make a great case, here for keeping the section. So why take it away? that's censorship!

The Forum Members have always been a great advocate of banning censorship and supporters of free speech!

The Section was put here for our use! If you don't like it, don't use it.

By the same token, Where's the Kids section then? Some of us must have kids, and who are interested in bikes, so why can't they have a section to themselves? Bikers are a shrinking race by all accounts, so supporting the younger generation should also be in the forefront of our minds!

I'm for freedom of speech and choice! so keep the Cert 18 section, it's Our choice!

[krammer]

can we have a section for us lesbians please?

[Yoda]

can we have a section for us lesbians please?
i want one for us mentally and physically challenged somalian transexual lesbians too please :)

yoda

[Nitrowing]

You make a great case, here for keeping the section. So why take it away? that's censorship!

I'm for freedom of speech and choice! so keep the Cert 18 section, it's Our choice!

Censorship is having a Cert 18 section. By stating that I can only air certain views and say certain words somewhere else then you have silenced my freedom of speech and my freedom of choice.

[krammer]

i want one for us mentally and physically challenged somalian transexual lesbians too please :)

yoda yes well its easy for you being a woman of colour. i, on the other hand am a white woman trapped in a navajo squaws lesbian body. i have pierced nipples and i can be passive or dom, i don't do watersports (can't swim) but scat is ok. :D

[saxman]

not really that bothered meself, but as its there, leave it for a while and see how it pans out.

[toots&purple]

if folks dont want it,then they dont have to use it,we will :p :rolleyes:

[Zeek]

Dont talk utter Bollix Yoda......your never Somalian..... :D :D

[Friar Tuck]

Censorship is having a Cert 18 section. By stating that I can only air certain views and say certain words somewhere else then you have silenced my freedom of speech and my freedom of choice.
I disagree! Cert 18 is only censorship in respect of letting minors view inappropriate images or stories! and this is only for their protection. God knows, they grow up early enough by getting hold of "soft porn" girlie mags and teenage fashion mags. they can also gain access to porn sites via the internet, and you must be naive to think that kids don't know how to turn off "parental controls" on the computer. They are brought up virtually from infants, nowadays, using the damn things. I am 44 and have great difficulty in setting the bloody VCR! Technology races ahead of me far quicker than anything I know!

However, as we get older we form our own opinions and voice them. Okay, so I don't agree with you, but "censorship" is enforced when either one or the other party deliberately blocks the others right to reply, in order to enforce their own views on others. an example would be if Pat disagreed with both of us and deleted this thread and said that the Cert 18 section stays or goes irrespective of the Forum Members majority wishes then that is censorship.

So we have a Cert 18 section, whether we use it or not is or choice! Nobody has to use it. This is a biker's site, but it doesn't have to soley be dedicated to bikes. As 100% Biker states, it about biker lifestyle, which can emcompass anything. Which means if you enjoy another sport or hobby, and you can ivolve using your bike at the same time then you have a lifestyle which could be construed as a biker lifestyle! mind you, you must have a pretty sad lifestyle if you travel miles to a train station on your bike, just to sit at the end of a platform just to take down train numbers!

Bloody 'ell thats just upset TaxiDave and Fayji!

Comments please on a post card to the British Board of Film Censorship!

[Yoda]

i don't do watersports (can't swim) but scat is ok. :D

EUWWWWWWWW can someone lock this man in the Cert 18 section...i mean Poo..yuck :eek:

[Jonnyfp]

I still can't get on and the pervy jazz site won't send me a password. :mad:
And my tuppeneth worth is that the censorship issue is already covered innit. as is the worksafe issue. you know exactly what your in for when you click on the 'cert 18' title.
the warnings where posted before hand.
seriously tho i'm not too bothered if it stays or not its not like your short of p0rn if you got a pooter is it.
besides is'nt that what the internet was invented for? :D

[TaxiDave]

mind you, you must have a pretty sad lifestyle if you travel miles to a train station on your bike, just to sit at the end of a platform just to take down train numbers!

Bloody 'ell thats just upset TaxiDave and Fayji!

Comments please on a post card to the British Board of Film Censorship!

I resent that remark. I'm a hardcore train spotter which means I stand at the end of a platform not sit. And sometimes its raining.

[Bosun]

i gave up trainspotting for extreme present wrapping

the papercuts you can get are something else, and as for the paper you can use ;)




FT speaks truth, especially as can you remeber a solely bike orrientated thread.. ooh must be months ago :)

[Rogue Monkey]

if folks dont want it,then they dont have to use it,we will :p :rolleyes:
Heya! Dude! We bought yer tickets at the Perverts! Top weekend! :D

[Rogue Monkey]

i gave up trainspotting for extreme present wrapping

the papercuts you can get are something else, and as for the paper you can use ;)




FT speaks truth, especially as can you remeber a solely bike orrientated thread.. ooh must be months ago :)
Dude! extreme paper wrapping! Man thats serious! We supposed not to speak of......EXTREAM PAPER WRAPPING! you know the rules dude! Rule 1 You dont talk about WRAP CLUB! Jeez man !!!Wot you thinkin? ;) :p

[Bosun]

Dude! extreme paper wrapping! Man thats serious! We supposed not to speak of......EXTREAM PAPER WRAPPING! you know the rules dude! Rule 1 You dont talk about WRAP CLUB! Jeez man !!!Wot you thinkin? ;) :p


i am so sorry
i genuflect to a true master of origami

many all your offcuts be little ones

[Huw Beer Monster]

The Section was put here for our use! If you don't like it, don't use it.

I'm for freedom of speech and choice! so keep the Cert 18 section, it's Our choice!

FT, I never said I didn't like it. I said I didn't see the need for it.

[Kingo]

Cant see the problem really, as has already been said you dont HAVE to use it if you dont want to!!

[Huw Beer Monster]

Cant see the problem really, as has already been said you dont HAVE to use it if you dont want to!!

This is NOT my point. My point is WHY THE HELL DID WE NEED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE?

/Rant

[100%Pat]

It seems the majority want to keep it, so just to make sure I'll leave this thread up till mon and if results are still same I'll delete this thread Monday lunchtime and leave it at that .... okay everyone?

[TaxiDave]

You've got to keep it if only so that after I've been to see Kylie at the NEC in April and I've broken into her dressing room after the show and stolen her undies that she's got all sweaty. I must have somewhere to post my new scratch and sniff program.

[100%Pat]

that means Lynne and me can do the same with the Neil Diamond stuff we're gonna nick in June!! Be warned!!

[Rogue Monkey]

You've got to keep it if only so that after I've been to see Kylie at the NEC in April and I've broken into her dressing room after the show and stolen her undies that she's got all sweaty. I must have somewhere to post my new scratch and sniff program.
Can ya get us a pair o hot pants while yer at it? :o

[100%Pat]

You've got to keep it if only so that after I've been to see Neil Diamond at Woburn Abbey with Pat & Lynne in June and I've broken into his dressing room after the show and stolen his undies that he's got all sweaty. I must have somewhere to post my new scratch and sniff program.

Oooooh Lynne... there's three of us going now, we need a ticket for TD!! :rolleyes:

[TaxiDave]

Oooooh Lynne... there's three of us going now, we need a ticket for TD!! :rolleyes:

Please don't make me come with you to see Neil Diamond unless I can come in disguise as a doctor then I can wear Kylies knickers as a surgical mask.

[100%Pat]

You said so yourself .... I quoted you word for word.... :D

[TaxiDave]

You said so yourself .... I quoted you word for word.... :D


Feck I didn't read that. How the feck did you that Pat?? :mad: :mad:

My revenge will be sweet.

[100%Pat]

You've got to keep it if only so that after I've been to see Neil Diamond with Pat & Lynne in June at Woburn Abbey in June and I've broken into his dressing room after the show and stolen his undies that he's got all sweaty. I must have somewhere to post my new scratch and sniff program.

See.... you said it yourself mate, you want Neil's sweaty pants to sniff... Blimey even I'm not that BIG a fan!!

[madastoast]

It all boils down to the same thing we have argued about for years "The freedom of choice" If you take away freedom of choice then that is a dictatorship and I thought that we lived in a fairly liberal open society, that allowed us to make up our own minds, not somewhere that you can't at least say what you like, any way you like. So though I am not going to get a password yet if I feel the need at a later date it would be good if it was still there to F , Blind and be as filthy as f*** :D

[Rogue Monkey]

Personal freedom to be oneself whilst abiding to the generaly accepted rools of society is ..............erm......a very topish sort of thing to think! Thats wot i think! :)

[Friar Tuck]

This is NOT my point. My point is WHY THE HELL DID WE NEED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE?

/Rant
So that Taxidave can upload his Neil Diamond Knickers Scratch and sniff program! :p

Pat Says! :D

[Friar Tuck]

It seems the majority want to keep it, so just to make sure I'll leave this thread up till mon and if results are still same I'll delete this thread Monday lunchtime and leave it at that .... okay everyone?
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!

This is Censorship!

Keep the Thread I say! I am going to write to my MP and have him ask the Question in PM's Question time!

Biker's Unite! Save The Thread!

Ride on Parliament! Save the Thread!

Meet at Trafalgar Square! Save the Thread!

Take up the the Battle Cry! Save the Thread!

MAG must take up the cudgel! Save the Thread!

Save the Thread! I say!

...Ahem!

*Wanders away nonchalently whistling!*

[toots&purple]

We emailed last week for a password,not had a reply yet,so cant get in to see what all the fuss is about. :(

[Huw Beer Monster]

So that Taxidave can upload his Neil Diamond Knickers Scratch and sniff program! :p

Pat Says! :D

In that case call it The "Do NOT come near here! Here be dragns, lepers and hairy things wiv big teef! Don't even ARSK for a password as the last who went in there died of a horrible disease" Area

[Friar Tuck]

Save The Thread!

The Thread needs You!

The Thread is in danger of deletion by the Big, Nasty Administrator!

Save the Thread now!

[Rogue Monkey]

CERT 18 is innocent! Save the thread! SAve the trees! save the planet, save the......bacon....and Save the biscuits! :D

[MancCatz]

Keep it. its doing no one any harm and its password protected so dont apply for one. if its not your thing.