So, streetfighters then ...

[Nik]

Cover them in the mag or not?

:)

[Zeek]

Cover them in the mag or not?

:)
nope..................... :rolleyes:

[chazz]

nope..................... :rolleyes:

agreed deffo nope

[rob]

why not, harleys are in it. :D :D :D
cant see a problem if they are genuine, down to earth 'fighters with attitude.
definately not the 'i've put renthals, twin spots and a race can on my bandit' 'fighters, or the 'ive spent £15k on a turbo, ohlins and a paint job, but my chicken stripes are still 3" wide' type.
but thats just my opinion........

[Choprocker]

I say yes, its spose to a bike mag for all isnt it?
Todays streetfighter were yesterdays cafe racers, no too poncey big money shop 1s though.

[minxy]

No 'streetfighters'?!

Jeez.

So - no harleys, sfighters, big buck machines .... you're going to be pushed for feature bikes I think Nik :rolleyes:

[Zeek]

wots "Streetfighters" mag for then? :rolleyes:

[minxy]

So - because they are covered by Streetfighters, they shouldnt be covered in any other mag? That was you're saying?

How many people who buy 100% also buy SF?

[Creature]

surely it depends on were you want you mag to go.

Im for all bikes as long as they are built at home, i dont wanna read about the check book or credit card brigade. not even particually keen on bikes modified by using 100% prebuilt parts - altho have seen a few that have been really nicely done.

a street fighter yeah sure - providing its not just a few bolt on goodies or just outa everybodys finacial reach - after all all us people who mod there bikes - like looking at bikes and often may be copied or even the start of an idea.

i remember the crap that Pat got for featuring the chop sccot that one last years nabd - why not if you saw it in the flesh and spoke to the owner/builder you couldnt fail to be impressed - even more so was teh milage he does on it....

I like your style tho for asking 1st - im not sure if your gonna get a clear answer tho

[Zeek]

So - because they are covered by Streetfighters, they shouldnt be covered in any other mag? That was you're saying?

Not at all, but that area is already covered....dont mind a smattering every now & then in 100% but just dont want it a regular thing....if I wanna look at them I will buy streetfighters mag, or scooter monthly, pedal cycle weekly or whatever...........

How many people who buy 100% also buy SF?
no idea, please tell........ ;)

[InSanCen]

You stop covering em, I stop buying it...

Don't get me wrong, as has been said, I don't wanna see someone's 20K machine that never gets ridden, regardless of style, Harley, Fighter, whatever.

but to see a nicebike that someone's built through hard work and ingenuity, well, that's different, we can all relate to that. Dunno anyone that can relate to throwing 20K at a bike and only riding it on sunny sundays.

So yeah, if it's interesting, well built of ANY style, then put it in.

[rob]

100% is, (i think), more of a grassroots mag, kinda where BSH used to be 15odd years ago. (not a critisism blue!). it fills a niche and is all the better for it.
sure, put some 'unobtainable' stuff if now and again, of any make/style, for inspiration/interest, but keep it mostly 'real world'.
BSH has a higher %age of 'show' bikes, and its nice to have the option to buy both/either.
streetfighters only showing 'fighters can only limit its appeal, as per 'heavy duty' and its ilk, and look where they ended up.
best to have a bit of everything, Nik.

[minxy]

Wise words Rob - bit of everything. Something to please everyone :)

[slob]

Nik,

I'm quite happy with whatever you put in it... anything with a story. I don't mind a big $'s bike as long as thetre is a story to it.. that Ducati recently was purely for that builder to get onto the world stage.. fair play and what an effort.

The beemer chop that the guy had kept since the 70's much cooler and with a good story to boot... the survivist a couple of issues ago .. again the story matched the bike.

it's the magazines that just list parts and where they were bought/who machined what that get on my tit's .. no personality (america journo's usually)

[baldyshinehead]

i agree with slob.
i like all style of bikes but its so much more interesting when there is a story behind them

[kitkatman]

100% biker should cover 100% bikes, possibly from the peds to the massive buck jobs :D

[Freak]

best to have a bit of everything, Nik.

Absofuckinglutely ;)

[Crofty]

You stop covering em, I stop buying it...

Don't get me wrong, as has been said, I don't wanna see someone's 20K machine that never gets ridden, regardless of style, Harley, Fighter, whatever.

but to see a nicebike that someone's built through hard work and ingenuity, well, that's different, we can all relate to that. Dunno anyone that can relate to throwing 20K at a bike and only riding it on sunny sundays.

So yeah, if it's interesting, well built of ANY style, then put it in.

Word. Safe. Urban. and other cool sounding things that mean I agree.

[critch]

hope you do nik mines nearly finished :D

a fighter is still a customised bike ;)

variety is the spice of life...

just no peds or stockers..... :D

[critch]

why not, harleys are in it. :D :D :D
cant see a problem if they are genuine, down to earth 'fighters with attitude.
definately not the 'i've put renthals, twin spots and a race can on my bandit' 'fighters, or the 'ive spent £15k on a turbo, ohlins and a paint job, but my chicken stripes are still 3" wide' type.
but thats just my opinion........

wot he said :D

[Mitch]

me! :D (read it for now, start buying soon...)

So - because they are covered by Streetfighters, they shouldnt be covered in any other mag? That was you're saying?

How many people who buy 100% also buy SF?

I like streetfighters, then that's because I've got one (old school)

[excalibur]

Isnt a street fighter a custom or customised bike?

I say yes, after all it means a greater variety of bikes featured and not so much of the "samey" harley bikes

[John Hopkins]

Yes, Put Mitch's in and the story behind it. John.

[Bassman]

streetfighters should be in the mag.. its 100% Biker isn't it?

Just because you get some blinkered folk moaning like feck every fecking month that you have shown another harley.. don't let those same folk stop you featuring any bike that worthy..

The mag surely should represent whats out there.. and thats all types of bikes..

[shaggy696969]

YES . Bikers arent just the hairy arsed cruiser riders , so should cover 100 % of biking. Red Marley wasn't a trad rally or have a custom show but was in. So cover all . Couldnt we stick to a quarterly Harley mag supliment instead of putting them in the main mag , and we can stick em on the nail on the wall in our outside lavvy ........... sorted.

[Freak]

Dont those streetfighters all look the same though ?
Seen one, seen them all surely ?

[shaggy696969]

what like all harleys are so different , have you seen a hog rally its like watching a hsbc savings ad.

[Freak]

But you can make a Harley look very different
Seems they make streetfighters to all look the same

[shaggy696969]

http://i5.tinypic.com/141rqzo.jpg

[shaggy696969]

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/011102side1.jpg

Yea see what you mean :confused: :D

[rob]

Dont those streetfighters all look the same though ?
Seen one, seen them all surely ?

quite right!

90% of 'em seem to be i-bought-a-gsxr-but-fell-off-coz-i-cant-ride-it, (always check for chicken stripes), trashed-the-plastic,-blamed-the-bike,
spent-£k's-needlessly-on-top-notch-suspension,-and-got-a-pikey-to-paint-it-for-me.
there is only so much you can do with a pair of renthals and a 916 seat unit.
streetfighter design has been (mostly) stagnant for a while now.
i remember the good old days when a 'fighter was a matt black drag style low rider, with a tuned motor, a belly pan and an RD125 handlebar fairing :D :D

[shaggy696969]

http://i5.tinypic.com/141rs7q.jpg

same ol same ol , i dont thinks so.

[rob]

http://i5.tinypic.com/141rs7q.jpg

same ol same ol , i dont thinks so.

oooohh!!!! :D :D :D

[shaggy696969]

so many to choose from

http://www.vmaxchat.co.uk/gallery/MaxVerver01.jpg

[shaggy696969]

http://www.vmaxchat.co.uk/gallery/JohnBoyMax2.JPG

[rob]

http://i5.tinypic.com/141rqzo.jpg
oh no!!
bike builders faux par no.1
miss-matched wheels!!!

[baldyshinehead]

a nice paintjob and a few shiny bits dont make a street fighter, the same should be said for all styles of bike.
As long as the mag covers bikes that have an interesting side to them, be it a one off frame or square wheels ( cant think of anything else :rolleyes: ) then feature it. its as easy as that :D

[Freak]

oh no!!
bike builders faux par no.1
miss-matched wheels!!!

I'm glad you pointed that out Rob cause I was struggling to work out why it looked so odd :rolleyes:

[Freak]

Well one's a cafe racer
http://i5.tinypic.com/141rs7q.jpg


and errrrrr, a V max :confused:

http://www.vmaxchat.co.uk/gallery/JohnBoyMax2.JPG

[Urban Terrorist]

I buy SF and 100% and BSH and super streetbike!!! Of course cover streetfighters, plenty of streetfighters are worthy of appearing in a mag, but won't make it into SF cos they ain't trick enough, yet fit in with the 100% Biker ideals, cos they are built on the cheap ;) :D

Like a Honda bros 400 with fireblade rear shock, top yoke converstion and transalp 650 engine that out runs drug dealers :D :D

[shaggy696969]

I'm glad you pointed that out Rob cause I was struggling to work out why it looked so odd :rolleyes:
http://www.bikez.com/pictures/harley-davidson/2002/20060_0_1_2_fxstdi%20softail%20deuce_Image%20by%20 Harley-Davidson.%20Published%20with%20permission..jpg

I see what you mean , hideous.
you said all street fighters looked the same i showed you the diversity of streetfightering .

[Freak]

What you showed me was a cafe racer, a V max and what looks like.... a pile of sh1te. The red, white and blue one's ok, but it looks like most of the streetfighters I see.

[shaggy696969]

what is streetfightering if not a modern day term for cafe racers, bikes which were built for speed on the road as they meet up at the tea cafes of the 60's , go to the ace most days and look whats there, the max is far from standard if you think it is you dont know your bikes ,and the pile of sh1te is a harley showing the faux pas of front and rear wheel differences, but hey if you say so.

[shaggy696969]

And if you think maxes cant be streetfighters , what about paul humphries beast from the east , which won just about every streetfighter trophy nation wide everywhere it was shown ?

http://www.vmaxchat.co.uk/PaulH/PaulHumphrey-7.jpg

[spondonste]

You're never going to please everybody. Me personally, I'm not that interested in cruiser type bikes but thats just my personal likes/dislikes. If you have the mag just looking at certain styles of bikes only, then you cater for only a small part of your readership (and hence limit your market appeal). Keep it broad and wide to show the full spread of whats being done as this can give the most inspiration to those without a closed mind.

[Freak]

but hey if you say so.
I did, and I stand by it till proven otherwise.
Nice twist on words by the way as I ment the green one look like a pile of ****e.
You are correct though, I don't like solid back wheels yuk

And if you think maxes cant be streetfighters
I didn't say that either :rolleyes:

[shaggy696969]

Well one's a cafe racer


and errrrrr, a V max :confused:


.......................... :confused: :confused: :D

[Urban Terrorist]

And if you think maxes cant be streetfighters , what about paul humphries beast from the east , which won just about every streetfighter trophy nation wide everywhere it was shown ?

http://www.vmaxchat.co.uk/PaulH/PaulHumphrey-7.jpg

Not quite every one ;) :D

[shaggy696969]

And if you think maxes cant be streetfighters , what about paul humphries beast from the east , which won just about every streetfighter trophy nation wide everywhere it was shown ?

http://www.vmaxchat.co.uk/PaulH/PaulHumphrey-7.jpg

.................................... :confused: :D

still pretty though huh , and this was before the supercharger .

[Freak]

NIK you better put some streetfighters in the mag :D

[shaggy696969]

lol , yea like the green one ......................... pmsl

[Urban Terrorist]

Nik rode a streetfighter last year, shame it lost the fight with the road :D :D

http://hatfieldratpack.fotopic.net/p18775935.html

[rob]

And if you think maxes cant be streetfighters , what about paul humphries beast from the east , which won just about every streetfighter trophy nation wide everywhere it was shown ?

http://www.vmaxchat.co.uk/PaulH/PaulHumphrey-7.jpg

wouldn't call that a streetfighter...........
very nice custom bike, yes.
i think it was 'odgie who first used the term streetfighter, (or introduced it to the wider bike scene anyway), and it was all about attitude, both of the rider and the bike. UT's description of his bike sounds more like a 'fighter than anything posted here.
they're just tarts handbags, far too gawdy. 'fighters are for hoonin' around on, not polishing!!!

[rob]

http://www.bikez.com/pictures/harley-davidson/2002/20060_0_1_2_fxstdi%20softail%20deuce_Image%20by%20 Harley-Davidson.%20Published%20with%20permission..jpg

I see what you mean , hideous.

well it is,isnt it.

[Bassman]

And if you think maxes cant be streetfighters , what about paul humphries beast from the east , which won just about every streetfighter trophy nation wide everywhere it was shown ?

http://www.vmaxchat.co.uk/PaulH/PaulHumphrey-7.jpg

Thats not a streetfighter.. its a fecking christmas tree. :rolleyes:

[hermann]

you don't really see many of the american style streetfighters over here with the extended swing arms
yank style streetfighter (http://www.sportbikerider.us/index.cfm?fuseaction=displayit&Picture_ID=20080)

[Urban Terrorist]

you don't really see many of the american style streetfighters over here with the extended swing arms
yank style streetfighter (http://www.sportbikerider.us/index.cfm?fuseaction=displayit&Picture_ID=20080)

thank fuck!! The only people thast turbo and nitrous a bike and then reduce the braking capabilities :eek: :D :D :D

[rob]

you don't really see many of the american style streetfighters over here with the extended swing arms
yank style streetfighter (http://www.sportbikerider.us/index.cfm?fuseaction=displayit&Picture_ID=20080)
coz we have roundabouts........

[hermann]

another one (http://www.sportbikerider.us/index.cfm?fuseaction=displayit&Picture_ID=20009)
BTW the comments on their make the occasional bitchfest on here look like two toddlers arguing.

[gixerkarl]

to me a streetfighter mean "performance oriantated custom" unfaired,usually...but not always.is a buell a streetfighter,yes,but a factory one,same as z750/1000/t595 ect.

[rob]

to me a streetfighter mean "performance oriantated custom" unfaired,usually...but not always.is a buell a streetfighter,yes,but a factory one,same as z750/1000/t595 ect.
no, a buell isnt a 'fighter, its a standard production bike.
they can be made into v. nice 'fighters tho.
same with the others you list.

[critch]

http://www.vmaxchat.co.uk/gallery/JohnBoyMax2.JPG
at last a decent nitrous kit by the look of it! :D

[critch]

http://www.bikez.com/pictures/harley-davidson/2002/20060_0_1_2_fxstdi%20softail%20deuce_Image%20by%20 Harley-Davidson.%20Published%20with%20permission..jpg

I see what you mean , hideous.


yuk its standard and a twin cam

give me a knuckle, pan or flat head anyday

yes mines an evo but then im poor and it was cheap :D

[Choprocker]

[QUOTE=minxy]So - because they are covered by Streetfighters, they shouldnt be covered in any other mag? That was you're saying?
QUOTE]
Bang on minxy.
And like bsh covers harleys are ya gonna have no harleys in 100%

Spose 100% should have all bikes that you will see at a rally/event.

[Nik]

http://www.vmaxchat.co.uk/gallery/JohnBoyMax2.JPG

That's John's - we had that on the stand at the Pro-Custom this weekend, he's a top man! Got 'Best Streetfighter' for his trouble too ... :)

[slightlymuddy]

as I have just moved from a plastic fantastic to a streetfighter, I think they should be included in the mag. mine is a very basic gsxr conversion but i like to see the possibilities, particularly non expensive ones. i get ideas from seeing other bikes and adapt what i can for mine.streetfighter mag tends to be the higher end of the expensive market and theres not a lot i can picture using on my own bike.

[Bosun]

as they are part of this varied motorcycling world of ours why not
if they fit the style of the magazine
a varied selection is what keeps any mag interesting
and in the end there are only so many magazine ready bikes


also isnt 100% currently triking a stretfighter?

[GreatBritishRob]

Hold on, is it not a custom bike magazine? Or is it just a customised cruiser bike magazine?
I know its not just about cruiser type bikes and trikes so yeah, put streetfighters in cause i like them for one.
Someone said whats streetfighter magazine for. Whats BSH for in reply to that question, comment etc.
I say yes to streetfighters, big trailies, scooters, choppers, sports bikes etc if they have been customised etc. It says 100% Biker on the cover, bikers ride all sorts.

[Yoda]

NO All street fighters should be banned :)

Not realy
I dont mind as long as its still a broad mix of bikes,

Streetfighters aint my cup of tea, but i do prefer extreme ones to someone who has just slapped a kicked up arse on a bandit ?

Yoda

[spondonste]

hi yoda there is a photo of steves streetfighter at the shush rally last weekend (best not say which rally) He built it himself and made most of the stuff for it. He has also helped creature by making bits for his trike build, love pepe

[fatty]

put them all in i like to se them all. :eek: :D a bike is a bike to me but sum are shinier then others :D

[Creature]

He has also helped creature by making bits for his trike build

Sure did and a bloody good job too, even tho he had reservations as not his normal thing. a bloody great job and im well happy :) :) I would add him to the growing list of people who have helped me but he didnt want this and I respect him for that....

[Sir Ewok]

Nik rode a streetfighter last year, shame it lost the fight with the road :D :D

http://hatfieldratpack.fotopic.net/p18775935.html

Now that should be in the mag. But I don't want to see streetfighters in 100%. However, if the majority do then I won't complain (if only the yanks could bring that much democracy to Iraq). I agree that most streetfighters are reincarnations of crashed, plasticless race reps (with some exceptions). They have no spirit like cafe racers in the Norvin, Triton mould. The V-max in front of the climbing wall is more like a chop than a streetfighter (bars are too high, surely).

[shaggy696969]

Thats not a streetfighter.. its a fecking christmas tree. :rolleyes:
can i refer you too the new Vision doin the circuits.............. :eek:

[speedymax]

As someone who is new to the forum but a subscriber to 100% Biker (and Streetfighters) I vote to see streetfighters in the mag along with any type of bike thats been built/modified by its owner and has a story that worth reading. Plus doesn't the sub-text under the 100% banner on the front cover of the mag say Chops, trikes, streetfighter, rallies and some other stuff which I can never read as there is normally some tasty bird in front of it!
I ride a customised Vmax and a streetfightered ZX9 and enjoy reading the wide variety of stuff that is in 100% Biker and long may it continue. Speech over.

ATB

Speedymax

[bad toad]

As someone who is new to the forum but a subscriber to 100% Biker (and Streetfighters) I vote to see streetfighters in the mag along with any type of bike thats been built/modified by its owner and has a story that worth reading. Plus doesn't the sub-text under the 100% banner on the front cover of the mag say Chops, trikes, streetfighter, rallies and some other stuff which I can never read as there is normally some tasty bird in front of it!
I ride a customised Vmax and a streetfightered ZX9 and enjoy reading the wide variety of stuff that is in 100% Biker and long may it continue. Speech over.

ATB

Speedymax
well said that man!!!!

[Bassman]

can i refer you too the new Vision doin the circuits.............. :eek:

lol... sure mate.. there are lots of OTT bikes doing the rounds right now..personally I prefer a nice plain bike with a bit of class... not some bling monster.. lots of them in the show this afternoon... and some nice bikes too has to be said.. :D

[fatty]

lol... sure mate.. there are lots of OTT bikes doing the rounds right now..personally I prefer a nice plain bike with a bit of class... not some bling monster.. lots of them in the show this afternoon... and some nice bikes too has to be said.. :Dim glad you liket it mate :D

[Bassman]

saw your bike on the stand mate... looked well... well done on the award... :D

[fatty]

saw your bike on the stand mate... looked well... well done on the award... :Dfanks mate i put it on the mans stand that polishers bike stuf it was ard to se it ther in the corner away from the xmas tree gang :eek: :D

[Nitrowing]

I stopped buying SF because it was becoming tart's handbag monthly (oh, and they stopped showing nipples).
The whole idea behind streetfighters was to get an old warhorse up to speed against modern bikes or to get a trashed modern bike up and running on the cheap.
It was never meant to be about putting £2000 worth of ohlins on ANYTHING!

If 100% have the audacity to put bloody scooters in, then real motorcycles of any description are allowed in. Even standard bikes because a lot of bikers I know ride standard bikes - it doesn't make them any less of a biker. I can pretty much guarantee that the £40k Harley owner isn't a biker. He wont be riding it to work in the winter.

[hermann]

I don't personally mind streetfighters being i, not my thing but each to their own. As long as a bike has class rather than just looking like its being magnetized and ridden through an anodised tat factory. Andy from Leicster has had a couple of nice EFE's since I've known him. Definitely no standard bikes though, enough magazines for that. There is only really two general custom bike mags in this country (That aren't specialist ones either on genre, such as streetfighters, or engine config, such as American V.) and thats BSH and 100% so its nice to see a mixture. I like the old brit twin chops like the delinquent but I wouldn't want to see the mag full of bikes like that- I already get The Horse BSC and Dice for that. One of the best mags I saw was a French one called custom that had both bikes and hot rod cars in, was really well put together, and I think in some areas the two scenes are getting closer these days. There I did it I mentioned the C word in a post :eek: :D

[Friar Tuck]

Cover them in the mag or not?

:)
Yes!





No!







Fcukin'ell! I don't know!

[Freak]

As someone who is new to the forum but a subscriber to 100% Biker (and Streetfighters) I vote to see streetfighters in the mag along with any type of bike thats been built/modified by its owner and has a story that worth reading. Plus doesn't the sub-text under the 100% banner on the front cover of the mag say Chops, trikes, streetfighter, rallies and some other stuff which I can never read as there is normally some tasty bird in front of it!
I ride a customised Vmax and a streetfightered ZX9 and enjoy reading the wide variety of stuff that is in 100% Biker and long may it continue. Speech over.

ATB

Speedymax

That's far to good an answer. How are we supposed to hold a 'discusion'
when you give level headed, well balanced, straight to the point replys like
that. :rolleyes:
:D

[tease]

While I would never ride a fighter or racer, or even one of these stretched out hardtails that can't go over a speed bump, I love to see the engineering that goes into them.

As it was said earlier, this IS 100% biker, and we have seen scooters, trikes, HD's, jap chops, Vtwin chops, Trumpet chops and all sorts, why NOT a fighter if it has had the heart put into it?

Last year saw the Intruder 1500 that was almost a fighter style and I liked what was done to make it that way. While I wouldn't think of doing it to mine, I respected the work someone did to make theirs 100% original, is it so different? The heart of it is still being different which makes it the same

[erizo]

yes.

fighters are custom bikes, and like it or not, chops in the original form of the word.

start leaving out different styles of bikes and you run the risk of becoming `100% biker on 60% of motorcycles´

IMO, if it´s interesting and someone has put the work into it, it´s worth seeing.

[MSVA Tech]

From the home page:

100% Biker Magazine has been in the newsagents for over six years now and has an ever-growing loyal reader base. We cover the complete UK custom bike scene, including a diverse mix of bikes from Chops to Streetfighters, Trikes and even some great Classics.

Reckon that about covers it. If it aint broke dont fix it, modify it ;)

[Captain Smurf]

surely it depends on were you want you mag to go.

Im for all bikes as long as they are built at home, i dont wanna read about the check book or credit card brigade. not even particually keen on bikes modified by using 100% prebuilt parts - altho have seen a few that have been really nicely done.

a street fighter yeah sure - providing its not just a few bolt on goodies or just outa everybodys finacial reach - after all all us people who mod there bikes - like looking at bikes and often may be copied or even the start of an idea.

i remember the crap that Pat got for featuring the chop sccot that one last years nabd - why not if you saw it in the flesh and spoke to the owner/builder you couldnt fail to be impressed - even more so was teh milage he does on it....

I like your style tho for asking 1st - im not sure if your gonna get a clear answer thoI think Creature sums it up perfectly.

and tag on this bit from Nitrowing
"If 100% have the audacity to put bloody scooters in, then real motorcycles of any description are allowed in. Even standard bikes because a lot of bikers I know ride standard bikes - it doesn't make them any less of a biker. I can pretty much guarantee that the £40k Harley owner isn't a biker. He wont be riding it to work in the winter."

Modify it by saying that I think anyone who rides bikes, trikes or other PTWs is a candidate for being a "100% Biker" (coz we shouldn't discriminate against scooters), and take note of the fact that it is "100% Biker" - not "100% Bike".

So it's not just about the machines - it's about the people and the machines they ride - and the places they ride em to. So let's see a few more rally write ups. And if we're talking 100% Bikers, I suggest IMHO that year round riders who attend rallies of all shapes and sizes probably come closer to matching that description than the fair weather crotch rocket riders who only attend the big rallies with the fairgrounds and all mod cons.

Bollocks - you've made me forget to take me blood pressure tablets again :o

[100%Pat]

From the home page:

100% Biker Magazine has been in the newsagents for over six years now and has an ever-growing loyal reader base. We cover the complete UK custom bike scene, including a diverse mix of bikes from Chops to Streetfighters, Trikes and even some great Classics.

Reckon that about covers it. If it aint broke dont fix it, modify it ;)

Ooooh I sooooooooo agree..... even if i did actually write that myself... :D

But in Nik´s defence, I must say, whenever we put a streetfighter on the cover sales used to drop.... so we stopped doing it.
My two pennorth is mix, mix and mix again, and yes even Scooters, if they are good... ;)

[100%Pat]

When we created 100% Biker, it wasnt a ´bike´magazine as such, it was a ´lifestyle´magazine.... and rally coverage was a huge part of it...
:rolleyes:

[floris]

Of course you should feature streetfighters in 100% biker mag. Why not? As long as they're created by hard working in someone's shed, it's absolutely cool!!! I like the raw down-to-earth style streetfighters, crashed racebikes, or fighters build up from scratch. That's 100% biker stuff, and totally different from the bolt-on fighter crap like most of the German fighter-scene.

I have put some fighter-pics here... Are these bikes for sissy's? I don't think so! It are bikes, build by the ideas of creative individuals. Not factory bikes with bolt-on crap, so cool stuff or what?

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/1451/p1012zf.jpg

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/8471/p2022cw.jpg

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/8510/p3053ni.jpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8076/p3096tg.jpg

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/4049/p40219mi.jpg

[hermann]

that last ones the bollocks :D

[captaincondom]

i think all bike's should go in hear is a pic of my bike but is it a fighter or just a custom.i use it every day for work and rally on it it's used and abused so why not put some of these the mag www.captainsmurf.com/gallybagger06/saturday/IMG_9487.htm

[shaggy696969]

like stated by speedymax , its written on the front cover so I guess you better had.

[rob]

hey floris!
real 'fighters at last!
now compare them with the ones posted earlier.......

[rob]

i think all bike's should go in hear is a pic of my bike but is it a fighter or just a custom.i use it every day for work and rally on it it's used and abused so why not put some of these the mag www.captainsmurf.com/gallybagger06/saturday/IMG_9487.htm

very nice,
but,
its not got enough 'attitude' to be a 'fighter.
nice custom though.

[floris]

hey floris!
real 'fighters at last!
now compare them with the ones posted earlier.......

Yeah, that's the difference of the true homebuild fighters which should be featured in 100% biker and the plastic bolt-on crap for a zine like streetfighters. :D

[rob]

Yeah, that's the difference of the true homebuild fighters which should be featured in 100% biker and the plastic bolt-on crap for a zine like streetfighters. :D
i'd like to disagree,

but i cant :D :D

[Nik]

Now that should be in the mag

It was ... ;)

[scouselee]

Go for it Nik, surprise us with your ideas..you is the editor :)

[Friar Tuck]

Thats not a streetfighter.. its a fecking christmas tree. :rolleyes:
A severe case of Pimp my Ride if you ask me!

[Friar Tuck]

Nik, you really need to put a vote up!

Personally, I don't want to see a rash of streetfighters or Rats. If I want to look at them I'll buy the proper mags that cover them. I like chops, and bobbers and trikes. Thats why I buy !00%. Please don't go and try to change the format?

[Urban Terrorist]

Nik, you really need to put a vote up!

Personally, I don't want to see a rash of streetfighters or Rats. If I want to look at them I'll buy the proper mags that cover them. I like chops, and bobbers and trikes. Thats why I buy !00%. Please don't go and try to change the format?


More rats!!!! :D :D

Nah, keep it equal, not bias to any certain type, just wide range :D


Bet that don't help at all :p

[chazz]

More rats!!!! :D :D




Bet that don't help at all :p

nope not one little bit

[Shifty]

And I know you've not asked in this thread Nik, but get rid of them ferkin cartoons, even if you fill the pages with adds.

What's up with the cartoons then? I think Pussbag's funny as f@ck!

[hermann]

I agree, not as good as Blim but still funny

[Urban Terrorist]

Nah, the cartoons are pants, get Andy Sparrow on the job :D

Get the Blodrunners going again ;)

[Bosun]

Go for it Nik, surprise us with your ideas..you is the editor :)


and then some cyclomoto's :)

[critch]

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/1451/p1012zf.jpg



thats ringos deathtrap featuring some of the finest engineering that heath robinson and zip ties ever came up with :D

it doesnt hang around and he does the miles too......

[BigSlim]

What's up with the cartoons then? I think Pussbag's funny as f@ck!
sod the cartoons! bring back CAPTAIN SEMOLINA AND THE BOY CUSTARD!!

As for what style of bike to be in mag, well i'd still like to see more RAT and SURVIVALIST bikes, and less shop or pro built bikes. :)

[Mitch]

I buy SF and 100% and BSH and super streetbike!!! Of course cover streetfighters, plenty of streetfighters are worthy of appearing in a mag, but won't make it into SF cos they ain't trick enough, yet fit in with the 100% Biker ideals, cos they are built on the cheap ;) :D
A bit like mine then... :p :D

[Blue]

A bit like mine then... :p :D

Er...

I believe a motorcycle from your household won Best Streetfighter at a show last year? Now, was it yours or Mrs R's? Let me rack my brains to see if I can remember... :p


Gone!

[Mitch]

Er...

I believe a motorcycle from your household won Best Streetfighter at a show last year? Now, was it yours or Mrs R's? Let me rack my brains to see if I can remember... :p


Gone!

Indeed... :D 'twas hers... (mitch bounds for cover) ;) ah... things change, bike changes slightly, I wonder... does the definition of streetfighter include much wider bars and for'ard pegs (OK, pegs aren't done yet but soon).

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2631/mrsrsbikeone5ac.th.jpg (http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mrsrsbikeone5ac.jpg) (piccy before exhaust was welded)

[Friar Tuck]

Another Pink bike!!!:eek:

[GreatBritishRob]

Another Pink bike!!!:eek:
Pink is the new black i'll have you know :D

[Mitch]

Another Pink bike!!!:eek:
You'd best get your monitor calibrated mate - that is most certainly welsh dragon red. When we brought the bike home (from Anglesey), it had dragons everywhere :D

[Blue]

You'd best get your monitor calibrated mate - that is most certainly welsh dragon red. When we brought the bike home (from Anglesey), it had dragons everywhere :D

What you saying about Mrs R, like? :eek:

[Mitch]

What you saying about Mrs R, like? :eek:
She's half welsh (well the family comes from a long line of welsh people) !! :D :D :D

[Urban Terrorist]

Pink is the new black i'll have you know :D

It facking ain't!!!!! :mad: :mad: :D

[Mitch]

It facking ain't!!!!! :mad: :mad: :D
There can be only one black and that's BLACK!!! :D

[Blue]

It facking ain't!!!!!

It will be after I've finished with your bike and a can of matt pink. :D :D :D

[bill?]

that is most certainly welsh dragon red.


it doesn't look pink but it is a bit pinkish ( and me monitor is working fine) all I can presume is that welsh dragons are a bit 'limp wristed' ooh shut that door (mince out in best larry grayson manner) :D:D

[Urban Terrorist]

It will be after I've finished with your bike and a can of matt pink. :D :D

You bloody ain't!! :eek: :eek:

[Mitch]

it doesn't look pink but it is a bit pinkish ( and me monitor is working fine) all I can presume is that welsh dragons are a bit 'limp wristed' ooh shut that door (mince out in best larry grayson manner) :D:D
Not feckin' Pantone 186 again!!!!!! :D
(did a t-shirt for LXIX a while back - first version came back from the printers and it was PINK!!! even though I'd specified PMS186, which isn't) :mad:

[bill?]

even though I'd specified PMS186,

wots PMS186 ?


or is that a silly question? :confused:

[Urban Terrorist]

piss my self 186 times?!!!!

[slob]

(well the family comes from a long line of welsh people) !! :D :D :D



would that be the swansea dole office queue? *LOL Not saying the Welsh economy is sh1t or anything :D

[Mitch]

wots PMS186 ?


or is that a silly question? :confused:
See above...
Not feckin' Pantone 186 again!!!!!! :D
PMS is a shorthand for Pantone Matching System - what printers use for matching colour to what I use for creating artwork, so I can show a client what the colour's supposed to look like.
Some printers can't be arsed with varying results...

[bill?]

PMS is a shorthand for Pantone Matching System


I generally work to the tried and trusted old british system, yup, thats black, or, noo, thats not black.

[addjunkie]

Cover all bikes, cover em all but not all in matt black......


what is the fixation with matt black anyway....it will never outstrip pink!!!

as for the fighter thing, isnt there one in this months mag with a v twin indian in it!!!

[bill?]

as for the fighter thing, isnt there one in this months mag with a v twin indian in it!!!

have you tried cosmopolitan? or the beano :D

[addjunkie]

have you tried cosmopolitan? or the beano :D


have read both but i also read 100%, which you obviously dont............


issue78....page 17....right hand colum " the first bike is an streetfighter called speedyburner."

[bill?]

but i also read 100%, which you obviously dont............

not been down wh smiths lately, look at all the mags if something interests me I buy it, but lately they have all been similar in content, but things should pick up after a few bike shows now that summers here.

[Sheep]

Just avoid chav bikes ffs

[Gnome]

Will you feature mine? :D

[Nik]

Will you feature mine? :D

Send me a pic? editor@100-biker.co.uk

:)

[Urban Terrorist]

Oi!!! Samson, you ain't done mine yet :mad: :D :D

[Mitch]

I generally work to the tried and trusted old british system, yup, thats black, or, noo, thats not black.
That's OK... but most of the t-shirts I design are printed onto black so you have loads more fun getting the colours right.

[Mitch]

Oi!!! Samson, you ain't done mine yet :D :D
'Ere!! You've had your turn ;) :D

[Nik]

Oi!!! Samson, you ain't done mine yet

Soon as I've seen the weather forecast for the next few days you'll be getting a call ... Thursday or Sat maybe? :)

You'd better have them fire burnout tyres ready! :D

[Urban Terrorist]

Soon as I've seen the weather forecast for the next few days you'll be getting a call ... Thursday or Sat maybe? :)

You'd better have them fire burnout tyres ready! :D

Not saturday mate, off down brighton for the day, sunday or any day next week as long as it's in the morning :D

[Urban Terrorist]

'Ere!! You've had your turn ;) :D

no i haven't, that was my twin brother, bert :D

[Nik]

Not saturday mate, off down brighton for the day, sunday or any day next week as long as it's in the morning :D

Needs to be an evening really, mucker, same sort o' time as we did the AR so that the flames really show up ...

Will check forecast at about 6.30 and give you a bell, okay?

:)

[Urban Terrorist]

Ok me old son, if not, I'm on earlys in two weeks time, finishing at 2pm each day :D

[Gnome]

Send me a pic? editor@100-biker.co.uk

:)

Oh blimey.
Erm, I'll send you them when it's all done. Still a few bits to do yet, and hoping to have most of it done by next week. ;)

[Mitch]

Not saturday mate, off down brighton for the day, sunday or any day next week as long as it's in the morning :D
So what's happening in Brighton this Saturday, owt?

I'm working on Saturday down there... why not say 'ello? :D

[Urban Terrorist]

So what's happening in Brighton this Saturday, owt?

I'm working on Saturday down there... why not say 'ello? :D

A load of us from the south east stunters site meeting for a day out, maybe a bit terrorisng the local drivers :D :D

[Taff]

While we're on about the mags.
Scanning thru 100% today at work.
Noted a comment about some bike in a show, on the lines of Nik and Bomber discussing how best to photoshop the stains off of a chop tank for the mag.
Well ya wanna fuck off.
If you can't find the owner to give his tank a wipe (i know, i know, they were part of the paint job, it's the thought that annoyed me), then we'll see it just how it was thankyou very much.
Or is 100% Biker now using the Hello Magazine Blemish removal Squad?

[Nik]

While we're on about the mags.
Scanning thru 100% today at work.
Noted a comment about some bike in a show, on the lines of Nik and Bomber discussing how best to photoshop the stains off of a chop tank for the mag.
Well ya wanna fuck off.
If you can't find the owner to give his tank a wipe (i know, i know, they were part of the paint job, it's the thought that annoyed me), then we'll see it just how it was thankyou very much.
Or is 100% Biker now using the Hello Magazine Blemish removal Squad?

Taff, FYI most bike owners who have scags etc in their paint ask us to Photoshop them out because they want their bike to look the best it possibly can when it appears in the mag. It was in anticipation of this that Bom and I were talking about it when we found out that it was s'posed to be like that ...

Blow it out yer arse, chap! :p

[Taff]

Taff, FYI most bike owners who have scags etc in their paint ask us to Photoshop them out because they want their bike to look the best it possibly can when it appears in the mag. It was in anticipation of this that Bom and I were talking about it when we found out that it was s'posed to be like that ...
Well i think it's our right to see the bikes as they are.
Not as the owner wishes it was.
Fuck me is nothin' real any more?

Blow it out yer arse, chap! :p
This is a serious criticism, don't talk like a twat.

[Nik]

Well i think it's our right to see the bikes as they are.
Not as the owner wishes it was.
Fuck me is nothin' real any more?

So what you want is more important than the bike's owner, is it? Right then ... :rolleyes:

This is a serious criticism, don't talk like a twat.

Sorry, o' supremely righteous one ... :p

[Taff]

So what you want is more important than the bike's owner, is it? Right then ... :rolleyes:
Fkin damn right it is.
Me and thousands like me buy the mag every month.
You cater just for those who're actually having bikes featured and you're limiting your market a bit.

Sorry, o' supremely righteous one ... :p
You deaf, or just not listening?
Don't talk like a twat.

[Mitch]

A load of us from the south east stunters site meeting for a day out, maybe a bit terrorisng the local drivers :D :D
That won't be too hard! I feel like doing that every time I take the bike out down there... :D

[BuxomTracy]

I think all bikes should be covered in the mag, they give the mortals amongst us ideas for what we can do to our bikes.

Personally I think it's cool that the Editor of a magazine does a straw poll to see what readers of a mag want instead of just going ahead and doing it!

As for all streetfighters looking the same, nonesense. Go to any streetfighters show and see the variety in designs and styles, if you saw the German style of streetfighter - it's markedly different to an English Fighter or Old Skool fighter.

Trace

PS Pass me the flak jacket and kevlar helmet. :)

[gonk]

I think all bikes should be covered in the mag, they give the mortals amongst us ideas for what we can do to our bikes.

Personally I think it's cool that the Editor of a magazine does a straw poll to see what readers of a mag want instead of just going ahead and doing it!

As for all streetfighters looking the same, nonesense. Go to any streetfighters show and see the variety in designs and styles, if you saw the German style of streetfighter - it's markedly different to an English Fighter or Old Skool fighter.

Trace

PS Pass me the flak jacket and kevlar helmet. :)

i am with you on this one tracy. some people on here have no idea about streetfighters, a mag called 100% biker should stand up to its name and cover all bikes.

[Nik]

Fkin damn right it is.

No, it isn't - you wouldn't even have known that we do it if I hadn't mentioned it. :rolleyes:

don't talk like a twat

Get off your high horse - if there's anyone on here who talks like a tw*t it's you. Anyone who says that they'll stab someone because they dislike their dress sense is a twat of the highest order and no mistake.

[minxy]

Will you feature mine? :D

Maybe.

WHEN ITS RUNNING!

:p

[Taff]

Get off your high horse - if there's anyone on here who talks like a tw*t it's you. Anyone who says that they'll stab someone because they dislike their dress sense is a twat of the highest order and no mistake.
No high horse here kid.
Just trying to make a constructive criticism of an aspect of the mag which concerned me.
A comment like "Blow it out yer arse" is just schoolboy **** in that context and irritated me.
Don't take it, you know best.
Your comments, however, are duly noted.

[sherdevil]

100% biker should mean exactly that that includes customs, cruisers rats and streetfighters.
streetfighters magazine has lost a lot of respect from streetfighter owners due to most of the bikes being check book bikes or over seas.
nick has been in touch with pat from streetfighters owners club regarding bikes as she used to work for the mag as did nick her opinion is feature down to earth built in the shed streetfighters.

[Nik]

Your comments, however, are duly noted.

Jolly good. :)

[Suzeeooki]

If the magazine is called 100% Bikers, then perhaps it should do what it says on the tin, and show a wide variety of all bikes. If you have already published scooters in the past then, then you are open to the fact that it's not what you drive as long as it is two wheels. We all have the same interest, whether or not we drive a scooter or a Streetfighter.

One you start going down the road of ommitting certain bikes from your magazine you lose the whole reason for existing in the first place. To give a well rounded view of all bikes, no matter their make or origin, whether it be from a factory floor, giving a review of the latest bike on the market, or to a custom bike built by someone who has taken a lot of time, care and put hard work into something they believe in, is surely what is implied by the title "100% Bikers".

Putting a poll up may be good, but only if you are sure most of your readers are on this site, then you will get a true summary of what your readers actually think. If not, then the poll would be worthless because it will only be a minority viewpoint and not the majority which is what you need and you would only get that from the actual readers of the magazine. I would suggest a better approach would be to put a small clip out questionaire in the actual magazine asking what people would like to see more or less of in the magazine, and let them post it into you. If you are interested in what your readers want then ask them directly through the magazine itself.

All bikes should be covered in the magazine, for IMO thats what the title implies.

kind regards

Suz xx

[Mrs Smudge]

Hasn't anyone told the newbies about talking sense on this forum??? :D

[Mitch]

Nik, just sort it out... ;)

Most folk on this forum don't read the magazine, hence a straw poll would be a waste of time - a bit like the survey that was done a while ago...

Those on here that said bring back Capt. Semolina didn't say so at the time, that's why his stuff went... Laurie's still around though isn't he?

[gonk]

Hasn't anyone told the newbies about talking sense on this forum??? :D

and what is meant by that?

[Mrs Smudge]

just doesn't happen very often.... that's all! :D

[Goff]

Streetfighters are bikes......therefore they should be featured in the mag....just like any other bikes.

I read loads of bike mags and seeing the same bikes featured all the time would bore me to death.

A bit of variety doesnt hurt once in a while.

Oops and APOLOGIES MRS SMUDGE!!

Mental note to self *get head out of books and read posts properly* :D

[Worjorj]

... then you are open to the fact that it's not what you drive as long as it is two wheels.

Suz xx
Oh dear, stand by for the triker backlash :p

[hermann]

And i think having a dig like that at the newbies Mrs Smudge is a bit harsh.....they have made some valid points IMHO, and if you dont agree with them fair enough, but snide isnt nice.
Personally I read it as a compliment that these people were talking sense ;)

[Goff]

Personally I read it as a compliment that these people were talking sense ;)


Yes i know and i have amended my post accordingly...im very sorry Mrs smudge...i should have ead the post properly...my fault entirely....been studying far too much im afraid.....nothing makes much sense lately lol

[Suzeeooki]

Oh dear, stand by for the triker backlash :p

As an owner of a Trike years ago, then yep.. good point. Two wheels or three wheels... it doesnt matter. As long as everything is covered.

[Mrs Smudge]

And i think having a dig like that at the newbies Mrs Smudge is a bit harsh.....they have made some valid points IMHO, and if you dont agree with them fair enough, but snide isnt nice.

wasn't having a dig.... i totally agree with them
just the forum seems to be getting a bit humourless lately, and i like to have a giggle but sorry if my sense of humour came across as 'snide' :o

[Mrs Smudge]

loads of posts while i was writing that.... :eek:

all forgiven????

I'm quite nice really, honest :p

[zxrtaff]

a streetfighter is made up of bits that are customised to fit the bike
same as a chop so are you going to stop all customs
i used to get bsh for years then it became a harley mag so i stopped getting it so come on i am down to 2 or 3 mags i will buy dont waste what is a good mag
on the other hand a streetfighter is a piece of art :D




next thing you know gerimy clarkson will be editor :rolleyes:

[Goff]

loads of posts while i was writing that.... :eek:

all forgiven????

I'm quite nice really, honest :p


Yes i know and im dead sorry honey, i didnt read it properly and its my fault....i feel all embarrassed now :o :o

[Captain Smurf]

Nik, just sort it out... ;)

Most folk on this forum don't read the magazine, hence a straw poll would be a waste of time - a bit like the survey that was done a while ago...

Those on here that said bring back Capt. Semolina didn't say so at the time, that's why his stuff went... Laurie's still around though isn't he?ahem

that poll was done in the Mag wasn't it? And I didn't get to see it until it was over (coz of job)

Bring back the milky pudding duo :D

[Captain Smurf]

loads of posts while i was writing that.... :eek:

all forgiven????

I'm quite nice really, honest :pall together now...................

Oh No She Isn't



Oh Yes She Is



Oh No She Isn't



Oh Yes She Is




Oh No She Isn't



Oh Yes She Is




Oh No She Isn't



Oh Yes She Is:D

[Captain Smurf]

Streetfighters are bikes......therefore they should be featured in the mag....just like any other bikes.

I read loads of bike mags and seeing the same bikes featured all the time would bore me to death.

A bit of variety doesnt hurt once in a while.

Oops and APOLOGIES MRS SMUDGE!!

Mental note to self *get head out of books and read posts properly* :DYeah - they have feelings too :p

[Captain Smurf]

I think all bikes should be covered in the mag, they give the mortals amongst us ideas for what we can do to our bikes.

Personally I think it's cool that the Editor of a magazine does a straw poll to see what readers of a mag want instead of just going ahead and doing it!

As for all streetfighters looking the same, nonesense. Go to any streetfighters show and see the variety in designs and styles, if you saw the German style of streetfighter - it's markedly different to an English Fighter or Old Skool fighter.

Trace

PS Pass me the flak jacket and kevlar helmet. :)Never mind all that, me fine buxom wench,

you sneak in here and don't buy a round :(

Mines a large Souther Comfort please :D

[Mrs Smudge]

all together now...................

Oh No She Isn't



Oh Yes She Is



Oh No She Isn't



Oh Yes She Is




Oh No She Isn't



Oh Yes She Is




Oh No She Isn't



Oh Yes She Is

Stirrer :D
You forget I know how big your spoon is (!OO-ER!)

You're a very naughty boy!

[Urban Terrorist]

next thing you know gerimy clarkson will be editor :rolleyes:

Clarkson - samson, same thing really :D :D :D

[Nik]

Clarkson - samson, same thing really :D :D :D

Feck off, y'twat! :p

[Urban Terrorist]

Feck off, y'twat! :p

I rest my case :D Mister, I'll call you after 6:30 :rolleyes:

[Captain Smurf]

Clarkson - samson, same thing really :D :D :DThink a malicious slur like that wraps it all up really :D

[Blue]

Get off your high horse - if there's anyone on here who talks like a tw*t it's you.

Nik: Joined forum Jan 2006. 500 posts.

Taff: Joined forum May 2005. 1421 posts.

Think Taff's earned the right to have his say, don't you? :D

[Nik]

Nik: Joined forum Jan 2006. 500 posts.

Taff: Joined forum May 2005. 1421 posts.

Think Taff's earned the right to have his say, don't you? :D

Nice selective quoting, dear ...

Wasn't aware that I was denying him his say ... :rolleyes:

[hermann]

And to be honest I agree with Taff for a couple of reasons
1) Think there's more kudos with bikes that look like they're used. Saw Russ from Thundercity HRC taking his bike (which I pretty confident cost more than I earn in 2 years) down the track as hard as some of the lads on trials bikes.
2) If they can't get it perfect in reality why try and bull**** people that it is by photoshopping it. If the bikes got a chip its got a chip, live with it or sort it out. Its a grassroots mag. I like the range but all the bikes should be ridden and if you ride a bike it ain't got stay concourse pristine for long.

[Nik]

If they can't get it perfect in reality why try and bull**** people that it is by photoshopping it. If the bikes got a chip its got a chip, live with it or sort it out.

How is covering up a scratch bull****ting? If you've worked your arse off to build yourself the best bike you can and the day before it's due to be photographed for a magazine summat falls off a shelf and twats a chunk out of the paint, you'd be pretty mortified too, wouldn't you?

:confused:

[PILRCGeff]

Never mind all that, me fine buxom wench,

you sneak in here and don't buy a round :(

Mines a large Southern Shandy please :D

Finally Proof that the Smurf is one of us!

[hermann]

I'm not saying you wouldn't and I've managed to get petrol over the tank and strip off large parts of the paintwork my wifes just done for me so yeah I agree with you in that respect but where do you draw the line for using photoshop etc? Scratches? paint blemishes? mud on the brightwork? If you touch up one persons bike to make it look better than it was at a show and then they start using that as proof as why they should have won where does that leave you. I must admit when it omes to photography I'm a bit of a philistine and prefer using film rather than digital. Got a really nice old minolta st100b fully manual beautiful bit of kit ;)

[PILRCGeff]

How is covering up a scratch bull****ting? If you've worked your arse off to build yourself the best bike you can and the day before it's due to be photographed for a magazine summat falls off a shelf and twats a chunk out of the paint, you'd be pretty mortified too, wouldn't you?

:confused:

I may be wrong but

This bike mag is siupposed to be catering for "real grassroots bikers" as opposed to all the other mags available that just show expensive unrideable and unachievable to most people big buck Harleys.

As such, I think the readership probably want to see real bikes untouched by the airbrushers hand.

So IMHO, Taff was right (as is often, but not always, the case).

[Nik]

but where do you draw the line for using photoshop etc? Scratches? paint blemishes? mud on the brightwork? If you touch up one persons bike to make it look better than it was at a show and then they start using that as proof as why they should have won where does that leave you.

Jesus, talk about extrapolate ... :D

[Captain Smurf]

Jesus, talk about extrapolate ... :DNo - don't want to - ooops - forget I said anything

[hermann]

Talk about extrapolate. Well the dictionary defines as A method for estimating new data points based on existing measurements, and thereby predicting trends. For example, if the data for 1994 and 1995 are 8 and 9 respectively, one could extrapolate from that data to estimate that in 1996 the figure might be 10. In this case since the extrapolation is over time it is also called Forecasting.
Infer from what is known
generalize: draw from specific cases for more general cases
interpolate: estimate the value of
gain knowledge of (an area not known or experienced) by extrapolating
extrapolate is also known, as mentioned above as forcasting. Forecasting is used to predict patterns of weather which demonstrates how good extrapolating or forescasting really is. There you go I've talked about extrapolating. I'm no going to go and get some lunch
BTW I'm an archaeologist its my job to extrapolate :D

[Nik]

As such, I think the readership probably want to see real bikes untouched by the airbrushers hand.

No problem, I'll tell the girlie with the pearl white Servicar that I shot last week with the inch round spot of paint damage that we can't now cover it up for her because the readers don't want it covered ... I'm sure she'll be fine about it. :D

Fer cryin' out loud, you make it sound as though the bike's being drawn on a computer screen rather than having a paint scag covered. :D

[Captain Smurf]

Talk about extrapolate. Well the dictionary defines as A method for estimating new data points based on existing measurements, and thereby predicting trends. For example, if the data for 1994 and 1995 are 8 and 9 respectively, one could extrapolate from that data to estimate that in 1996 the figure might be 10. In this case since the extrapolation is over time it is also called Forecasting.
Infer from what is known
generalize: draw from specific cases for more general cases
interpolate: estimate the value of
gain knowledge of (an area not known or experienced) by extrapolating
extrapolate is also known, as mentioned above as forcasting. Forecasting is used to predict patterns of weather which demonstrates how good extrapolating or forescasting really is. There you go I've talked about extrapolating. I'm no going to go and get some lunch
BTW I'm an archaeologist its my job to extrapolate :DFilthy habit :eek:
Hope you used a hanky :D

[Nik]

Talk about extrapolate. Well the dictionary defines as A method for estimating new data points based on existing measurements, and thereby predicting trends. For example, if the data for 1994 and 1995 are 8 and 9 respectively, one could extrapolate from that data to estimate that in 1996 the figure might be 10. In this case since the extrapolation is over time it is also called Forecasting.
Infer from what is known
generalize: draw from specific cases for more general cases
interpolate: estimate the value of
gain knowledge of (an area not known or experienced) by extrapolating
extrapolate is also known, as mentioned above as forcasting. Forecasting is used to predict patterns of weather which demonstrates how good extrapolating or forescasting really is. There you go I've talked about extrapolating. I'm no going to go and get some lunch
BTW I'm an archaeologist its my job to extrapolate :D

And someone told me that 100% readers were fick ... :D Smartarse! :D

[Mrs Smudge]

Nik, you've got a pm chappie! :D

[Nik]

Nik, you've got a pm chappie! :D

Likewise! :)

[PILRCGeff]

Nik,

Look back through the archives and youll find my URAL as a feature bike somewhere. I am almost certain no airbrushing was involved even though the finish on the bike was, quite frankly, poo!

I should maybe have insisted the pictures were touched up so it looked like a 30 grand Harley instead but what would have been the point of that. My bikes look how they look. If I want them to be absolutely perfect Id spend all my time and money making it so but I dont.

If the owner of the bikes in question doesnt want then shown as they are perhaps you shouldnt feature them in this mag.

Its your choice as editor what you put in but its our choice to buy it or not!

[Urban Terrorist]

There ain't no-one good enough in the world to make my bikes look beeter with photoshop :p :D :D :D

[Nik]

Nik,

Look back through the archives and youll find my URAL as a feature bike somewhere. I am almost certain no airbrushing was involved even though the finish on the bike was, quite frankly, poo!

I should maybe have insisted the pictures were touched up so it looked like a 30 grand Harley instead

Like I said we're talking about touching in a paint scag, not completely reworking a bike into something it isn't.

If I want them to be absolutely perfect Id spend all my time and money making it so

And if, like I said, you dropped a spanner or owt on it just before you were due to have it photographed, you'd be entirely happy about that, would you? Somehow I don't believe you ...

Its your choice as editor what you put in but its our choice to buy it or not!

That's very true ... I'm not denying that. :) The thing is that this argument is pointless because you're never going to know whether a bike has been touched up or not, are you? So moaning about it is a bit of a waste of time. This isn't a new thing, y'know, it's been going on in magazines for years - just about all of them do it to a greater or lesser extent whether it's airbrushing out overhead cables from the back of pics or covering up paint scags when the owner has asked them to. It's just one of those things in bike publishing, y'know?

:)

[Nik]

There ain't no-one good enough in the world to make my bikes look beeter with photoshop :p :D

That's soooooo true! :)

[Mrs Smudge]

It's just one of those things in bike publishing, y'know?

omit the word 'bike'!
it happens in all publishing... does anyone really think that the ladies look like that naturally?

[Hardly Davidson]

TO THE EDITOR

If the definition of a 'Biker',

a '100% Biker' no less....

is supposed to be represented by 'A' magazine calling it's self "100% Biker, A custom bike magazine built for bikers" then you people have taken on the responsibility of featuring, including and publicly accepting anyone who defines themselves as a 'Biker' and their ride (motorcycle ride that is... :p )

Or do you people have some sort of 'special' definition of a 'Biker' that applies only to a 'select' group who ride 'select' motorcycles? If you do please provide it here so I can see if I and others fit into it. If you don’t then maybe someone in your office should find out. Have lunch, hold a public meeting, run a Poll, ask about, do a survey and publish what people actually think defines a ‘100% Biker’?

Whilst it’s really ‘nice’ of you to consult your readers on the content in your publications I’m not impressed. You people must have lost your way at some point. Get a grip, take a look at your own Title and start to represent all Bikers. The magazine will be a more interesting read and you’ll appeal to a wider audience (i.e. you’ll sell more).

TO THE FORUM

Accept there are many Biker types, shapes and sizes and some people are ‘born’ bikers whilst others come to it later in life but WE ALL started somewhere riding something or other – even if we’d like to forget about it now. Think on, in later life you might be riding something you currently take the piss out of or resent.

In my job I’ve met all types of ‘Bikers’ – fair weather, got the cash to splash, wannabe but can’t ride in a straight line, sincere, natural, off road legal, on road illegal, pretty in leather, scruffy, nice, can't be arsed, pointless and mad. Do I give a toss about my oh so precious ‘Biker’ group image being spoiled by these people? No I don’t because as far as I’m concerned these people (well some of them anyway) are the next generation of Bikers, which our dwindling numbers are going to need the support of – unless you want European Law to really take a grip and put us all off the road with the Nanny State “We know best” non-biker friendly attitudes.

Ride Safe, Ride Like A Thief, Ride Like a Twat - but most of all - RIDE!

[Urban Terrorist]

omit the word 'bike'!
it happens in all publishing... does anyone really think that the ladies look like that naturally?

WHAT!!!!! so this:

http://scans.sicknote.org.uk/pictures/loaded_calendar_2005/loaded_calendar_2005_02_lucy_pinder/loaded_calendar_2005_02_lucy_pinder.jpg

Is really this:
http://www.funny-games.biz/pictures/people/fat-bitch.jpg

:eek: :eek:

[fazerdaze]

omit the word 'bike'!
it happens in all publishing... does anyone really think that the ladies look like that naturally?
Funily enough, that went through my mind too ... birthmarks, stretchmarks, cesarian scars .... there's hope for all of us! ;) :D

[Sheep]

If I see a bike in a mag like 100% I want to know it is the bike I would see in the field the next weekend - NOT A PHOTOCHOP
Pending cancelled subs

[Mrs Smudge]

sorry UT... did we shatter some dreams then mate? :p

[shaggy696969]

TO THE EDITOR

If the definition of a 'Biker',

a '100% Biker' no less....

is supposed to be represented by 'A' magazine calling it's self "100% Biker, A custom bike magazine built for bikers" then you people have taken on the responsibility of featuring, including and publicly accepting anyone who defines themselves as a 'Biker' and their ride (motorcycle ride that is... :p )

Or do you people have some sort of 'special' definition of a 'Biker' that applies only to a 'select' group who ride 'select' motorcycles? If you do please provide it here so I can see if I and others fit into it. If you don’t then maybe someone in your office should find out. Have lunch, hold a public meeting, run a Poll, ask about, do a survey and publish what people actually think defines a ‘100% Biker’?

Whilst it’s really ‘nice’ of you to consult your readers on the content in your publications I’m not impressed. You people must have lost your way at some point. Get a grip, take a look at your own Title and start to represent all Bikers. The magazine will be a more interesting read and you’ll appeal to a wider audience (i.e. you’ll sell more).

TO THE FORUM

Accept there are many Biker types, shapes and sizes and some people are ‘born’ bikers whilst others come to it later in life but WE ALL started somewhere riding something or other – even if we’d like to forget about it now. Think on, in later life you might be riding something you currently take the piss out of or resent.

In my job I’ve met all types of ‘Bikers’ – fair weather, got the cash to splash, wannabe but can’t ride in a straight line, sincere, natural, off road legal, on road illegal, pretty in leather, scruffy, nice, can't be arsed, pointless and mad. Do I give a toss about my oh so precious ‘Biker’ group image being spoiled by these people? No I don’t because as far as I’m concerned these people (well some of them anyway) are the next generation of Bikers, which our dwindling numbers are going to need the support of – unless you want European Law to really take a grip and put us all off the road with the Nanny State “We know best” non-biker friendly attitudes.

Ride Safe, Ride Like A Thief, Ride Like a Twat - but most of all - RIDE!


And your point is ................... ?

[Urban Terrorist]

sorry UT... did we shatter some dreams then mate? :p

Nah, that tarts too skinny for my liking, but the other one's a bit too big for me :D

[Blue]

it's been going on in magazines for years - just about all of them do it to a greater or lesser extent whether it's airbrushing out overhead cables from the back of pics or covering up paint scags when the owner has asked them to. It's just one of those things in bike publishing, y'know?

:)

Personally speaking, it's to a less extent in our case. Yes, we will sometimes Photoshop out something in a messy background, and for the cover we will use 'cut outs' so the image sits against a clean background, but I can't recall a single case when we've Photoshop'd anything on the actual bike. Now, the models, that's another story... :D

[Blue]

I'm a bit of a philistine and prefer using film rather than digital.

Good man!

Blue
Refusing To Go Over To The Darkside That Is Digital

[Urban Terrorist]

I got some old cameras if anyone's interested :D :D

[Gnome]

Do they have pictures of ladies on? :D

Oh wait, they must be film cameras.... :D

[hermann]

Nik. Didn't your sister magazine just get into a lot of trouble by using photoshop to put a girls full tattooed sleeve onto one of their staff to illustrate a competition. Understandably the girl whose tattoos they were was a mite peeved. Now I'm not suggesting that you would do that but once you start relying on technology to enhance images you open the possibility of these sort of games. As part of my job we had to take loads of shots in frankly ****ty conditions. But I'd much rather use film and bracket the shots, shade them in certain ways to stop the sun washing them out, or take them from an angle which hides whichever blemish you don't want seen than photoshop stuff out. Personal opinion :D

[Nik]

Nik. Didn't your sister magazine just get into a lot of trouble by using photoshop to put a girls full tattooed sleeve onto one of their staff to illustrate a competition?

Dunno, don't work in their office - I'm in Suffolk, they're in Chester. Sorry ... :o

[hermann]

There was an apology a couple of issues ago. ;)

[hermann]

Good man!

Blue
Refusing To Go Over To The Darkside That Is Digital
Great thing is there's so much cheap kit coming up as a result of everyone getting digital

[Nik]

There was an apology a couple of issues ago. ;)

Right, naughty Neil! Slap his legs! :D Didn't know about that - not really into tattoos so don't read the mags. :)

[Hardly Davidson]

And your point is ................... ?

Thank you for asking...

You could always look at the thread topic for a clue

[onefut]

First of all i'd like to say HI as Ive just found this forum and read thru a large chunk of this thread and although it started out a simple question in places it seems to be askin more so I thought id get me sop box out :D
surely the piont of being a biker is that you like bikes and as there are many differnt types of people in life there are many different types of bikers with bikes.
from little 50cc to 2000cc+,
from nerds to the fonz
those with money to burn and those with just petrol money
those with technical ability and those who struggle with a can opener,
Those who can ride the rubber off their bikes and those who dont know what the bits either side of the middle of their tyres are for
what one thinks is looks great looks ****e to another
but the point is we all like bikes some for asthetics some for rideability
I personally like streetfighters and cant stand custom type choppers etc. (although i like and apreciate the hard work/engineering that goes into them)
but r those that own them any less or more a biker than the guy who just got his licence and is running around on a honda melody.
No theyre not!!
everbody takes from biking or gives to it from what they have/know/want/need,
You either get biking or you dont
There is no real definition to a biker other than we all love bikes in one form or another, we dont have to get on with everyone in the biker world or indeed like one anothers bikes but we do need to stand together otherwise we'll all be riding exactly the same bikes coz the eurocrats will have made the legislation while we were all arguing at to "what a real biker is" or what group a bike falls into.
Sorry if i went on a bit and I know some of you will agree while others will think otherwise
but it dunt matter were all entitled to our opinions and are bikes
i dont care what your ide or how you ride it if you wanna go for a spin at 30 mph on your scooter then i'll go with ya
if ya wanna ride at 130mph on the back wheel then i'll come along too. you may have to wait up for me but ill come along anyway just dont get to bored waitin
Remember a bikes for life not just till your 17 and can get a car :D

[Nik]

First of all i'd like to say HI as Ive just found this forum and read thru a large chunk of this thread and although it started out a simple question in places it seems to be askin more so I thought id get me sop box out :D
surely the piont of being a biker is that you like bikes and as there are many differnt types of people in life there are many different types of bikers with bikes.
from little 50cc to 2000cc+,
from nerds to the fonz
those with money to burn and those with just petrol money
those with technical ability and those who struggle with a can opener,
Those who can ride the rubber off their bikes and those who dont know what the bits either side of the middle of their tyres are for
what one thinks is looks great looks ****e to another
but the point is we all like bikes some for asthetics some for rideability
I personally like streetfighters and cant stand custom type choppers etc. (although i like and apreciate the hard work/engineering that goes into them)
but r those that own them any less or more a biker than the guy who just got his licence and is running around on a honda melody.
No theyre not!!
everbody takes from biking or gives to it from what they have/know/want/need,
You either get biking or you dont
There is no real definition to a biker other than we all love bikes in one form or another, we dont have to get on with everyone in the biker world or indeed like one anothers bikes but we do need to stand together otherwise we'll all be riding exactly the same bikes coz the eurocrats will have made the legislation while we were all arguing at to "what a real biker is" or what group a bike falls into.
Sorry if i went on a bit and I know some of you will agree while others will think otherwise
but it dunt matter were all entitled to our opinions and are bikes
i dont care what your ide or how you ride it if you wanna go for a spin at 30 mph on your scooter then i'll go with ya
if ya wanna ride at 130mph on the back wheel then i'll come along too. you may have to wait up for me but ill come along anyway just dont get to bored waitin
Remember a bikes for life not just till your 17 and can get a car :D

Aaaarggh! My eyes! My eyes! :D

[shaggy696969]

Aaaarggh! My eyes! My eyes! :D
I know I gave up after the bit about the soap box

[Mrs Smudge]

you got that far???

i saw the pink and scrolled down.... sorry onefut

[fazerdaze]

Aaaarggh! My eyes! My eyes! :D
Stop moanin' an make a sandwich! :p

[Gnome]

You're all wrong! Proper 'fighters stay in the garage for years and years. Just like mine! :D

[Nik]

Stop moanin' an make a sandwich! :p

You can go right off people, you know that, don't you? :p

[Blue]

Great thing is there's so much cheap kit coming up as a result of everyone getting digital

Good, isn't it? :D It's as cheap for me to pick up another mint secondhand EOS body as it is to get them serviced!

[Nik]

Good, isn't it? :D It's as cheap for me to pick up another mint secondhand EOS body as it is to get them serviced!

Bugger, you should've said, Blue, I gave away my pristine EOS 5 body not long ago 'cos it wasn't worth selling it. It was only about eighteen months old too ... :(

[onefut]

OK here we go its in Black now

First of all i'd like to say HI as Ive just found this forum and read thru a large chunk of this thread and although it started out a simple question in places it seems to be askin more so I thought id get me sop box out
surely the piont of being a biker is that you like bikes and as there are many differnt types of people in life there are many different types of bikers with bikes.
from little 50cc to 2000cc+,
from nerds to the fonz
those with money to burn and those with just petrol money
those with technical ability and those who struggle with a can opener,
Those who can ride the rubber off their bikes and those who dont know what the bits either side of the middle of their tyres are for
what one thinks is looks great looks ****e to another
but the point is we all like bikes some for asthetics some for rideability
I personally like streetfighters and cant stand custom type choppers etc. (although i like and apreciate the hard work/engineering that goes into them)
but r those that own them any less or more a biker than the guy who just got his licence and is running around on a honda melody.
No theyre not!!
everbody takes from biking or gives to it from what they have/know/want/need,
You either get biking or you dont
There is no real definition to a biker other than we all love bikes in one form or another, we dont have to get on with everyone in the biker world or indeed like one anothers bikes but we do need to stand together otherwise we'll all be riding exactly the same bikes coz the eurocrats will have made the legislation while we were all arguing at to "what a real biker is" or what group a bike falls into.
Sorry if i went on a bit and I know some of you will agree while others will think otherwise
but it dunt matter were all entitled to our opinions and are bikes
i dont care what your ide or how you ride it if you wanna go for a spin at 30 mph on your scooter then i'll go with ya
if ya wanna ride at 130mph on the back wheel then i'll come along too. you may have to wait up for me but ill come along anyway just dont get to bored waitin
Remember a bikes for life not just till your 17 and can get a car

[Nik]

OK here we go its in Black now

:D

I want to be able to use a single smilie!

[Gnome]

REPOST!!!

http://laurent.ca/images/repost.jpg

[Nik]

REPOST!!!

http://laurent.ca/images/repost.jpg

That's 'cos you need to use a certain number of characters in a post to allow it to go up and by putting them in small letters, I can get round it.

It is a pain in the arse though!

:)

[hermann]

Just had a look on evil bay £30 for an EOS film. £529 for a digital. I also prefer working with black and white meself but thats not really practical with bike photography. ;)

[The Beer Monsters]

:D

I want to be able to use a single smilie! :) 12345678

[Jonnyfp2]

Cover them in the mag or not?

:)

Yep.. :)...............

[Nik]

Just had a look on evil bay £30 for an EOS film.

I know, that's why I gave away my EOS 5 to someone who'll use it rather than sell it for fugg all ... :(

[Nik]

:) 12345678

I hate you! How did you do that?!?

[The Beer Monsters]

I hate you! How did you do that?!?The answer's in the quote and in PM

[Nik]

The answer's in the quote and in PM

Woohoo! Thanks! :)

[shaggy696969]

:confused: """"""""""""""""

[Nik]

:confused: """"""""""""""""

:D !!!!!!!!

[Gnome]

That's 'cos you need to use a certain number of characters in a post to allow it to go up and by putting them in small letters, I can get round it.

It is a pain in the arse though!

:)


Lol. That was for the bird who posted in pink and then black. ;)

[Nik]

Lol. That was for the bird who posted in pink and then black. ;)

Doh! :o !!!!

[shaggy696969]

http://i5.tinypic.com/155564j.gif

[Gnome]

It would've worked too, if it wasn't for you pesky kids!

[Blue]

Bugger, you should've said, Blue, I gave away my pristine EOS 5 body not long ago 'cos it wasn't worth selling it. It was only about eighteen months old too ... :(

See - digital is the work of the Devil! Like beetroot, Marmite and Wolverhampton.

[Nik]

See - digital is the work of the Devil! Like beetroot, Marmite and Wolverhampton.

:D !!!!!!!!

[hermann]

and the M25, and Lancashire (oops did I say that out loud) :D

[Grav]

Yes, you front bottom. :D