Please Read!!!

[100%Pat]

Record Breakers are appealing for fun bikers to help create the world record for the largest gathering of Santa’s on motorbikes!

The current record is held by the Portuguese and stands at 5,460 people. The world record has been challenged before by the UK but fell short by a couple of thousand. But we are not called Record Breakers for nothing and we are seeking 10,000 bikers now to help smash this record, so come on all you bikers grab your friends, family and even work colleagues and lets really smash this record for Christmas.

The Record attempt will be held on the 5th of December at Silverstone’s International circuit in aid of Antics. Antics is a registered charity that supports children (under 18) who have or are affected by cancer, all we are asking our challengers to raise is £99 in sponsorship to help this charity at a much needed time of the year, that’s only 10 friends at £10 each.

So if you have a Bike and want to help a very worthy charity, please call us today to book your place in our record breaking bid on 0870 224 2245 or visit www.recordbreakers.co.uk

I've spoken to Michael who is organising this, and they are providing the Santa suits... you also get to keep it when its over, you also get a free DVD of the day to show you helped...
Anyone fancy trying to get a 100% Biker group up to take part??

[Creature]

will get in contact in a few days - would luv to do this but health could be an issue :(

[100%Pat]

anyone who does sign up, let me know as well, they have promised to keep us all together and make sure we all ride together. Oh and you have to tell them when you sign up that you are from 100% Biker!

[Doro]

would love to do it


two questions


1. does it include trikes?
2. if the above is a yes can I wear a girlie santa costume?

:D

[100%Pat]

I dont know if it includes trikes? Call the guy and ask him... I'm not sure if it will ? As its an official record breaker thing will they accept trikes as bikes?? Hmmmmmm :o

[Otter]

what about bikes with sidecars?

[Doro]

sorry Pat

I will post the results of my enquiry on here when I find out


*fingers crossed*


:)

[Gypsy]

would love to do it

2. if the above is a yes can I wear a girlie santa costume?

:D


COR !!!!! FNAR FNAR :D

[Doro]

ok

I spoke to Jo at record breakers and she said they'd love to have trikes, and even invited me to head the procession (omigod nooooooo)

I told her 100% were hoping to go as a group so perhaps that means we can all head the procession???


anyway her email address is

jo@recordbreakers.co.uk


and if you email her with your name/address/email/tel num. she will send you registration forms.

if you get more than 5 people to take part you get to enter free.

she also sends out sponsor forms.


sounds like fun to me, plus it's for charity, can't go wrong really.....


I also told her I'd let her know how many of us were gonna do it so if we can get a list thing going that would be good.


Also Granada TV will be there so will be good publicity if we can get lotsa 100% peeps at the head eh?


Hey Pat

let me know if I'm stepping on yer toes hinny..........I'll debase (!) myself before you (several times) if I'm being annoying...! :D

[100%Pat]

for taking the initative!! I'm more than happy for you to help out like this.... you know me, lazy cow that I am! I'm hoping Rik'll have the bike up and running by then so we can take part....

[Doro]

Pat

you're not lazy

you're busy


like all of us working mums


we always find time for fun though


hee hee


:D

[Santa]

Have to check work schedule first, but I guess I don't have a lot of option but to take part. However I will have to make sure my sword is sharp because there can be only one!

[100%Pat]

maybe a few more Tigers could take part too? Spread the word people spread the word!! Be nice to get loads of 100% Biker Santas taking part!

[Doro]

hey Pat, any chance we could sticky this for a bit?

:)

[100%Pat]

I can but I feel that folk tend to not look at stickies at the top, they wizz down and miss em?

[Doro]

cor that was fast Pat.....!


thanks


I think so far we have


gypsy
doro
santa
pat



yeeahhh only need 30 more or so...????


*titter*

[STEViE]

Just got the details thru. Depending on how the Triumph Owners in Berkshire are if I'm gonna be a bit late for doin' their gig in the evenin', I either will or won't be there but it ain't too far to pop back to pick me gear up from Basingstoke at the end of the day, so it looks good enuf. Who knows, you may even see me on me chop - should be finished by then - bloody better be 'cos I've been told they are aimin' to have it done by the end of this week - we'll see.

[krammer]

i'm game. can't see any reason why i can't be there. as long as the suits are handed out on site, 'cause thers no way i'm belting down the m6 looking like a twat. (not a word faygi) :D

[100%Pat]

It would be really fun if everyone who takes part (hopefully 10,000 to break the record) keeps the suits on to ride home.... :D
I know if Rik n me do it we will!!

[Friar Tuck]

What the Heck! If I'm game to wear the Jumper then I can also be a twat in Santa costume!

Count me in, and I'll punt it around the bikers at work and the small bike club I attend!

Jingle Bells! Jingle Bells! :)
Fayji Smells! :p
Tra, La La! Tra La la, la laah!
:D :D

[Friar Tuck]

Erm! What do I have to do to register then? :confused:

[Doro]

Friar Tuck...!


read the posts....! sheesh


(no no no please don't take offence, I am joking)



I think it is my 3rd post on this thread that has the details hinny


:D

[HarleyJohnBoy]

Yeah, I'm up for it :D

[100%Pat]

emailed her for my forms, plus asking about multiple sponsership ie. Is it per bike or per person, I assume it will be per person so that means trikes that carry three to four people must raise 3-400 quid, thats a lot of money. I am not winging just felt folk needed to be aware of it if its correct, and I think it will be as it is for the most santas not bikes... :D

[Gypsy]

emailed her for my forms, plus asking about multiple sponsership ie. Is it per bike or per person, I assume it will be per person so that means trikes that carry three to four people must raise 3-400 quid, thats a lot of money. I am not winging just felt folk needed to be aware of it if its correct, and I think it will be as it is for the most santas not bikes... :D

that was our thoughts aswell !!!!!

[Gypsy]

also not over impressed that the charity only receives £30 out of every £99

[BlackPig]

also not over impressed that the charity only receives £30 out of every £99

WTF ?!!!

Is this a gouvernment run thing then is it ? :rolleyes:

[100%Pat]

didnt know that Gypsy.... Methinks I'll look into this a bit further....

[100%Pat]

I've just spoken to the guy who originally contacted me about this and what he said is this:

They are quoting a minimum of £30 each person to go to the charity, thats the min figure , they hope it will be considerably more, but wont know exactly till much nearer the event, it depends on how many people they will be dealing with , they will be incurring huge costs like paying for 10,000 santa suits, DVD's track safety, marshals and first aiders and the multitude of other hidden costs an event like this includes.

He was very open and honest about everything, and has said if any of you has concerns about this please call the number posted on the early part of this thread and talk to one of the team.
I'm still not sure what I think at the moment, we've been discussing it here, and although its a huge chunk of money NOT going to the charity, it also means there is a huge amount that will go to them. And if this event wasnt happening they'd be getting bugger all.
Right I'll leave you all to discuss and make your minds up.

Oh and it is PER PERSON not per bike/trike so trikers will have to raise a lot more unless you can get five others to do the run then you go free.

[Doro]

yeah, plus it's nowt to do with the official record breakers, it's a seperate company just for motoring records, record breakers Ltd

plus you have to pay the 'sponser' money up front (ie £30 sponsor money, £69 registration fee - for 10,000 santas that makes the company £690,000 - and you can't tell me it'll cost em that much to use Silverstone and provide the 1st 5000 santas with a suit, besides I'm sure Silverstone ain't charging them anything)


am starting to wonder about this

:confused:


if ordinary bikers were going to do this off their own bat, ALL the money minus admin etc would go to charity...!!!

[Doro]

sorry Pat I posted same time as you


I was basing my reasoning on their registration form and their web site which does say you have to pay £99 when you register....Hmmmmmm

[100%Pat]

Slight correction mate.
All santas get a suit, not just the first ones, and more importantly its only £30 registration fee and £69 sponsership.

[Gypsy]

can a "LTD" company be a charity as well ??? or am i being to sceptical ???

[Doro]

This is what the registration document says, oh, and they call it a 'contract'





Dear challenger,


I can confirm that we have provisionally booked your place in our Santa’s on bikes World Record Attempt. Will you please read through the itinerary and sign and return the relevant forms attached.

I have included some fund raising tips within this document, but feel the best and quickest way of gaining sponsorship for ANTICS is to approach your friends and businesses.

When completing your registration form, please include £30 registration fee and £69 minimum sponsorship. This is for the administration due to the high number of participants and to guarantee your place. If you have any questions or require any assistance, please call me, I will be happy to help.



Anita Knight.

Marketing director.

[Doro]

sorry Pat, did it again lol


as I said, their web site stated only 1st 5000 get a (felt) suit, I believe the rest get plastic suits, or should I say, only the first 5000 get to KEEP their suit?


now we're really getting confused

perhaps if we get an email off them stating exactly what we have to pay and what we HAVE to raise (ie pay them whether we actually raise any money) and who gets a suit and who keeps their suit?



then at least we're all singing from the same hymn sheet??


:D

[Doro]

here's the rest of the info on their registration form



SANTA’S ON MOTORBIKES WORLD RECORD

Ÿ Venue: Silverstone Race Circuit
Ÿ Sunday 5th December 2004
Ÿ Current Record 5,443 bikers dressed as Santa!
Ÿ Record Breakers target: 10,000 Santa’s on Bikes
In support of Antic’s children’s charity. Charity Reg Number: 1102359
The Santa’s on Motorbikes world record attempt is a once in a lifetime opportunity for anyone who takes part! You will ride along with 1000’s of other keen bikers dressed as Father Christmas around the track of Silverstone in the Midlands. The current record stands as 5,443 bikers dressed as Father Christmas and is held by the Portuguese. We aim to smash this record and raise some fantastic funds for the charity Antics!

The first 5,000 bikers will receive a luxury felt Santa suit and the remaining challengers will receive a plastic Santa suit, the suits will fit over your leathers so no excuses!! Record Breakers will give you a registration number on receiving your forms.
We are confident we can gain more than 10,000 Santa's on Bikes. All participants will receive a DVD of the world record and a World Record Certificate, plus you can keep the Santa suit!
Each biker is asked to raise just £99 in sponsorship. That's just ten friends giving £10 each. In total we are hoping to give Antic's children’s charity a giant cheque on the day at Silverstone for more than £400,000!

[Doro]

sorry, there's more...


PAYMENT

Minimum Sponsorship: - £69. Registration Fee: - £30.

Record Breakers require payment of the minimum sponsorship and registration fee in advance for administration purposes and to guarantee places on the challenge. We require payment 2 weeks before the challenge date. This payment should be made to RECORD BREAKERS, 64 Wood Street, Taunton, Somerset, TA1 1UW. This gives Record Breakers and Antics a level of commitment from our challengers.

If your sponsors pay tax and tick the ‘Gift Aid’ box on your sponsorship form ANTICS will be entitled to an extra 28 pence from the government from every pound raised.

[odie]

There is a smell in the air, people making money out of sick children, bikers trying to help sick children (again) and a company making money out of us all, wouldnt touch it with a barge pole.
Its wouldnt surprise me if they got silverstone for nowt, santa's suits sponsored.
This is all tax free.
And its not even a genuine official "Guinness" world record.
Sorry but dont piss on my leg and tell me that its raining!

[100%Pat]

I've having chats with the guy who contacted me on and off all day... they are VERY genuine!! I've looked into this charity thing a bit more and it seems that if you give to any charity apart from a small local type one this is how it works! Things do cost money, admin costs, advertising costs & promo costs, 10,000 Santa suits (which they couldnt get a sponser for) First aid provision, ambulances, marshals, insurance and liabilty which would be horrendous and I dare say a million other costs. No Im not saying that I wouldnt love all the money to go to the charity, but this is the real world and it just doesnt happen, What is important is this company is NOT lining their pockets at anyones expense. If no one turns up or registers then the charity concerned gets nowt at all.... surely thats not what you want?

[Gypsy]

i see what you are saying pat, but at the end of the day there are people earning a lot of money out of this and thats not right , be it the peeps supplying the santa costumes, the venue etc

[100%Pat]

I agree Gypsy! But again if no one turns up, the charity gets bugger all...... at least this way they could be up to half a million quid or so better off...
I've thought and thought about it all day honest mate and I'm going. All the big charities do it that way with only a certain percentage raised actually going where it should, cos 10% of whatever is better than 100% of feck all...

[Gypsy]

was thinking that donating the cash to the charity directly and then they could get 100% of it,
im still not happy with thism the way i see it

record breakers are taking somewhere between say 50-69% of the cash
they then give the rest of it to the antic children charity, who no doubt will have there own admin cost etc.
it worrys me just how small the percentage is that will go to the kids

[Santa]

I'm with Pat on this one. Of course it would be fantastic if every detail and service were provided completely free, and in an ideal world they would be - but we don't (unfortunately) live in an ideal world, we live in the real one. I'm sure the organisers have done the best they can to find corporate sponsors to pay for as much as they can,but whatever they can't get sponsored still has to be provided and paid for. After all, you can't have 10,000 Santa's on bikes without 10,000 Santa suits! If no-one is willing to provide them free then they must be paid for.It is a very worthy cause, and if peeps like us boycott it because not all the money goes to the charity then they get NOTHING! Please take part and try to raise as much sponsorship as you can (the quoted figures are only a minimum amount) then the charity will get as much as we can raise. Lets shame the people who charge for their goods/services by showing them that we care!

[100%Pat]

Yep that £30 is the minimum given I've spoken to the guy at length and he swears that the more turn up the more they are able to give, obviously costs are cost and have to come from somewhere, they will be having to spend an enormous amount promoing this whether 10,000 or 1,000 turn up, and that money has to be found, so they guarentee a MINIMUm of £30 and if more folk turn up that money goes up...

Anyone will doubts or questions you are welcome to call Michael on 0870 224 2245 and discuss it with him, you'll find him a very straight forward bloke.

[odie]

What about supplying your own santa suit?
Sorry but i feel like we are being fleeced AGAIN,
Egg runs, toy runs etc we all do them but have you ever thought why we do them?
We do them to feel good, good press etc where does it get us NO WHERE we are still victimised, down trodden etc
Its about time that local councils emptyed there pockets and coughed up some wedge for these type of things!
I agree with the donation direct to the named charity, cuts out the middle man.

[Creature]

anyone who knows me - knows that i'll do anything for children, but after reading the posts heer I'm not sure this is right....... And another small point theres no way I could afford to send £99.00 up front - I just dont have that sort of dosh floating around.

its now making me think twice about the chopper doo at the ace cafe as thats raising funds for teh same charity....

[Michael Callard]

Hi My name is Michael Callard and I am the project manager for the Santa challenge with record breakers, I am very sorry to have had one of my team members come to me and ask me to look at these threads.
We are a highly motivated team with one thing on our mind, raising money for this charity called Antics, it certainly does not help our mission or the confidence of my team to read comments like those posted on this site.
I am astonished to think that people can beleave that we at Record Breakers are trying to make a huge proffit ( I beleave one figure quoted was £690,000 ) out of sick children dieing from this terrible disease.
We unlike like other organisations are saying that we Garuntee the charity a MINIMUM of £30 per challenger, for example lets say that we have only 1000 people turn up, then we at record breakers would still put this event on at considerable costs to oursleves ( research into the challenge, santa suites, national advertising,regional advertising, radio, television, insurance, Public liability, medical staff, marshalls, dvd of the day, certificates for every challenger and a whole hosts of other costs incurred in this type of event.
Now, if we had 10,000 challengers apply then it would be a totally different story we would give as much of the proportion to the charity as possible hopefully around £60 to £70 per challenger because most of the costs incurred are a one time rate not per challenger.
We would all love to live in a world where people would offer services free of charge when they knew it was for charity but we DONT, there are costs involved and they are real costs but it is thanks to people like 100% Biker that will put plea's up on their site for us free of charge that helps to keep costs down enabling us to give more to charity.

I hope this clears the above matter up and that if anyone has any queries regarding this matter then please contact me on 0870 224 2245.

Many thanks

Michael Callard
Record Breakers
0870 224 2245

[Creature]

Micheal.

I am saddened at the defensive post you have made. Whilst I (we) applaud what you are trying to do, We are just trying to make sure that what we do is the right thing.

Most of us here deal with several dif charities each year and on them ALL if not not MOST of monies raised goes directly to those who need it. Indeed many times it is not money at all that we are asked to donate but GOODS.

When I first read this post I thought the idea was an excellent one, then like others here, we started to wonder why so little of the money raised was going to goto ANTICS charity..........

The other thing that I think has made us all wary is the £99.00 you WANT UPFRONT... This is a lot of money and most of us just cant lay our hands on that sort of dosh especially at this time of year), and also looks very suspicious and also if you watch TV you will probally have seen the horendous stories of people asking money upfront for events or to goto charities and they do a runner with the money never to be seen of again.

Now if you had posted above a helpful breakdown of costs, it would be very helpful to us instead of the defensive post you have made.

Whilst we also can understand your reason for being defensive, indeed if you had not been then we would have been even more worried, I was supprised that by the end you still havent answered our worries.....

We are a caring lot of people, but over the years we have been abused and **** on when we get involved with some charity events, and know we dont jump in straight away anymore....

Whilst I personally cant attend (just dont have the £99.00 you want upfront), I hope that you can make the 10,000. But maybe it would be more helpful for you to answer the concerns hear ( you will probally earn much respect for answering the questions).

All the best

[Doro]

I've been trying to cobble together a reply for Michael, but I think creature has said it very well.

Main thing is the amount of cash upfront

2nd thing is the low amount going to the charity



A few years ago I drove punters round Croft in my MG for charity, it cost the punter £25, it cost me nothing, money all went to the charity as the circuit gave their time free, as did the marshalls etc.

I also do a lot for charity, but I find this whole thing very odd.

To ensure Antics don't miss out I propose to send them £50 direct, which could be more than they'd get if I took part, and saves me £40 too.


then no-one can accuse me of making the charity suffer...!!



btw this particular phrase is very offensive as I don't think anyone is implying that it is the case...perhaps they are making a profit out of bikers, but certainly not sick children who are dying from cancer...!!



I am astonished to think that people can beleave that we at Record Breakers are trying to make a huge proffit ( I beleave one figure quoted was £690,000 ) out of sick children dieing from this terrible disease.



also if they give 30% to charity as they say, then 10,000 people paying £99 each leaves £690,000 profit. (unless my maths is really that bad). So take the cost of admin out of that and you are left with what? I see now that Michael says any excess goes to the charity, but this wasn't made very clear when I made my original post.

[TaxiDave]

also if they give 30% to charity as they say, then 10,000 people paying £99 each leaves £690,000 profit. (unless my maths is really that bad). So take the cost of admin out of that and you are left with what? I see now that Michael says any excess goes to the charity, but this wasn't made very clear when I made my original post.


I think a breakdown of where the £690,000.00 is going would be good, because its a hell of a lot of money and although I'm sure Michael and his team work very hard, lets not forget that they are getting paid well for it out of the above figure.

[BikerGran]

research into the challenge, santa suites, national advertising,regional advertising, radio, television, insurance, Public liability, medical staff, marshalls, dvd of the day, certificates for every challenger and a whole hosts of other costs incurred in this type of event.

Rearch?????????- words fail me
santa suits - £7.50 at Woolworths, cheaper in bulk.
advertising - biker events don't need paid-for advertising
radio & tv - they don't charge to report events, it's their bread and butter!
Public Liability Insureance - yes ok, thats expensive
medical staff - I might be wrong but I believe St Johns ambulance don't charge for atending charity events
marshalls - every other charity event I've attended has volunteer marshalls - I know, i'm often one of them
dvd of the day - not necessary, but anyway volunteers can record and edit it then you can sell it to those who want it
certificates - I could produce then for next to nothing and I'm not even computer literate
a whole host of other expenses - whats left?

Lots of us have organised charity events and it's mostly done on goodwill. I'm sure we can all find various charity runs to do this christmas that will benefit children, where every penny given goes to the named charity.

This seems to me not really a bikers event, it's more like one of those corporate things like posh balls (of the dancing variety) with celebs etc - will prolly be mostly attended by those who keep a ducati in the garage for sunny days when they're not driving the lamborghini - £99 is nothing to them!

Reading the above I realise its a bit scathing about ducati owners, that was not intentional, just meant rich folks.....

[TaxiDave]

All of the above

[100%Pat]

gonna unsticky this now

[100%Pat]

has just resurfaced on BW. But if you follow the link their prices seem rather different to when they first spoke to us??? Wonder how much goes to charity now?

[Doro]

the date and venue and prices have changed

according to shade it will now only be £20 and will be held in the Midlands [rockingham or summat] and will be Dec 19th -ish

which is good cos it's cheaper, more central, and MAG toy run is on at Reading Dec 5th (the original date for this santa thing)



but



we got Tsunami xmas party on that weekend in London duh

[Doro]

sorry that should be Knights of Antioch toy run not Reading MAG


sheesh


Monday mornings

[Bosun]

sore point the reading run
cant do it this year

said yes to a classical concert with girlfriend before i knew date :(