Rememberance Thread..

[Jonnyfp]

So how many of you observe the 2 minute silence wear poppies and truly respect the folk who fought in all the wars?

[piglet]

Me and my Hubby do we are members of our local British Legion and both serve on the committee of the club, very proud of it to.

[Shep]

Of course.

[Bassman]

Absolutely...
They deserve our respect, and should get it..

[Jonnyfp]

Something you quickly realise when you start on here is how many of you are ex and unexservice men and women.

[shaggy696969]

Without a doubt , my poppy stays up in my cab all year round , only taken down to be replaced with a new one each year ............ never forget . I never served but never forget those that did or still do .

[Spike]

Every time :)

[defarter]

Always do, and always will.

[Dougie]

Goes without saying.

[STEViE]

As far as I can remember I always have an' I always will.


For Those Lest We Forget

T'was the year of nineteen forty-one that I fettled up my pride
I wheeled her out into the sun, we went for one last ride
Down the lanes, across the fields, on every track we met
Poppies there reminding me of those lest we forget

So I wrapped my bike in oiled cloth an' lay her up in store
I signed my name and caught the train heading off to war
I was eighteen years and issued with a bike and uniform
We was off to ride the front line and thwart Herr Hitlers storm

Down the lanes, through battlefields, on every track some yet
Poppies there reminding me of those lest we forget

One time near Remargen I took one in the chest
I made it back to my own lines the medics did the rest
Dodging craters, shells and shrapnel and snipers bullets too
We carried our despatches and some of us got through

Down the lanes, through battlefields, on every track some yet
Poppies there reminding me of those lest we forget

The year was nineteen forty-five and they took my uniform
They gave me a demob suit my former life reborn
I headed home, unwrapped my bike and fettled her with pride
She fired on the second kick, we went off for a ride

Down the lanes, across the fields, on every track there's yet
Poppies there reminding me of those lest we forget

Nowadays November I'll be sat there in my chair
Sitting selling poppies remembering those not there
Every now and then we still head off on a ride
And when we see the poppies it fills me up inside

Down the lanes, across the fields, on every track there's yet
Poppies there reminding me of those lest we forget

Now Great Uncle George could be anybodys relative you know
He's waiting in old photographs, old telegrams and so
It's down the lanes we ride and in the fields there growing yet
Poppies there reminding us of those lest we forget

Down the lanes, across the fields, on every track there's yet
Poppies there reminding me of those lest we forget

[Bosun]

always do,

[Violetmay]

So how many of you observe the 2 minute silence wear poppies and truly respect the folk who fought in all the wars?
Yep.


Buy one for me and one for me grandad (he's passed on now). And we do the silence thing at work.

[Jonnyfp]

Pisses me off some of the women at work used to just carry on talking, the only time i ever broke this silence was about 3 years ago when shouted them to shut the fuck up. They reported me and the gaffer told em they should have shutted the fuck up. :D

They shut the fuck up now.

[Kingo]

Allways do and allways will do so long as I draw breath :)

[Fran]

Always wear a poppy,always observe the 2 min silence.

Not much to ask after the sacrifice others have made.

[cxdemon]

Always have, always will, and always try to be on plymouth hoe when the time comes to cheer the old vets on. :)

[Zeek]

Yep.....no question.......a little to give........ "respect" is a word banded around a lot..........this is where it REALLY counts...

[smeghead]

yes i do always pull over or down tools, suprises me just how many companies dont do it though, on a personal level i think the silence should only be observed in memory of ex servicemen/women, seems like we have silences all the time now for people who in the grand scheme of thing really dont count, which waters down the true meaning of it, bought my kids up to respect it too, explained to them why it so important for them to observe the silence and they do, always attend the local rememberance day parade

[Doro]

always

even tho I reminded everyone at work last year - I was the only one who stayed silent - I had to outside (said it was for a fag break) in case anyone spoke to me!

however they made everyone go outside to be silent for the 9/11 anniversary and for the London Bombings

Lest we forget

looks like some of em already are :mad:


btw it wasn't an office full of women - I was the only girl there - this was an office full of engineers - many of them old enough to know better!

[Doro]

QUOTED by animal

seems like we have silences all the time now for people who in the grand scheme of thing really dont count, which waters down the true meaning of it


agreed

[kitkatman]

of coarse.......

[jimmymoonlite]

I will keep this short (for me anyway).......as you know I am leaving teaching.......you probably read the reasons why, but one reason and no doubt this will be VERY CONTROVERSIAL but bollox, I'm going to say it anyway, is that I work at a "Friend's School", one of seven I believe in England. You will probably know them better as "Quakers" - nowt to do with porridge at all
Now, the quakers are pacifist, many of their number were consciencious objectors of conscience in both world conflicts and I never met one in 23 years working for The Queen.
My youngest lad is a serving young N.C.O. who is a vet of Iraq (Op Telic), the Province and is presently undergoing pre deployment training to Afghanistan. He is 24.........

On the day chosen by my school for Remembrance Day I wore my poppy with great pride, all the more prominent as it was amidst a sea of white....
You would not believe the amount of stick I received from my erstwhile colleagues and I won't drone on about the uninformed, ignorant or downright beef droppings (cos I can't say ****...the moderators won't allow it..) that were trotted out not just on that day, but for some weeks afterwards.

Yes mate, I wear my poppy with great pride, not just in honour of those who serve, but never let us forget those lads who in the flower of their manhood were lions led by donkeys on the killing fields of France, the brave lads who went to it again for a second time and gave everything they had for the freedom of those at home. Never let us forget the many lads (and lasses) too who in more recent times have given the ultimate to fly the flag on foreign soil, those who have given their all in an already lost, unjustified conflict in pursuit of soundbites or to fulfill a politician's warped dream, and who are even now , today, being betrayed by the very persons who sent them to fight "in god's name" .

My family has served this country through four generations counting my lad, my family has war graves in a number of places around the world (3 of them in France) and like many serving and ex serving kats out there in biker land have "walked the walk and talked the talk".

The freedoms that have been won with blood so very often and which now are being so blatently legislated away, the prices paid for those freedoms is worth remembering if only if to learn from the mistakes of our forebears.
But do we?????????

After all, "WAR IS ONLY POLITICS BY ANOTHER MEANS" ..................Napoleon Bonaparte

Sorry to drone on mate but its summat I feel very strongly about....
Sorry to all you kats out there.......Peace, love n RESPECT


Jimmymoonlite

[ForestFred]

I always do an me boss gets us all to stand outside unless its raining all machines off (except one coz the ruddy thing wont start up again fer 5 hrs :rolleyes: ).

[Jonnyfp]

I will keep this short (for me anyway).......as you know I am leaving teaching.......you probably read the reasons why, but one reason and no doubt this will be VERY CONTROVERSIAL but bollox, I'm going to say it anyway, is that I work at a "Friend's School", one of seven I believe in England. You will probably know them better as "Quakers" - nowt to do with porridge at all
Now, the quakers are pacifist, many of their number were consciencious objectors of conscience in both world conflicts and I never met one in 23 years working for The Queen.
My youngest lad is a serving young N.C.O. who is a vet of Iraq (Op Telic), the Province and is presently undergoing pre deployment training to Afghanistan. He is 24.........

On the day chosen by my school for Remembrance Day I wore my poppy with great pride, all the more prominent as it was amidst a sea of white....
You would not believe the amount of stick I received from my erstwhile colleagues and I won't drone on about the uninformed, ignorant or downright beef droppings (cos I can't say ****...the moderators won't allow it..) that were trotted out not just on that day, but for some weeks afterwards.

Yes mate, I wear my poppy with great pride, not just in honour of those who serve, but never let us forget those lads who in the flower of their manhood were lions led by donkeys on the killing fields of France, the brave lads who went to it again for a second time and gave everything they had for the freedom of those at home. Never let us forget the many lads (and lasses) too who in more recent times have given the ultimate to fly the flag on foreign soil, those who have given their all in an already lost, unjustified conflict in pursuit of soundbites or to fulfill a politician's warped dream, and who are even now , today, being betrayed by the very persons who sent them to fight "in god's name" .

My family has served this country through four generations counting my lad, my family has war graves in a number of places around the world (3 of them in France) and like many serving and ex serving kats out there in biker land have "walked the walk and talked the talk".

The freedoms that have been won with blood so very often and which now are being so blatently legislated away, the prices paid for those freedoms is worth remembering if only if to learn from the mistakes of our forebears.
But do we?????????

After all, "WAR IS ONLY POLITICS BY ANOTHER MEANS" ..................Napoleon Bonaparte

Sorry to drone on mate ....but its summat I feel very strongly aboutPeace, love n RESPECT


Jimmymoonlite

That was brilliantly put and i whole heartidly agree, apart from the red bit.

[bad toad]

So how many of you observe the 2 minute silence wear poppies and truly respect the folk who fought in all the wars?
aways have always will!!! matter of respect!!!!

[PILRCGeff]

After all, "WAR IS ONLY POLITICS BY ANOTHER MEANS" ..................Napoleon Bonaparte


Jimmymoonlite

Sorry but I think you mean Clauswitz

[PILRCGeff]

And yes, of course I do (remember that is)

It really pisses me off to see that grinning idiot using it as a press oportunity though. yes Mr Blair Im talking about you again!

[Dougie]

One year I may go to the Remembrance parade in Embra,haven't so far cos I don't feel worthy.Mebbe I'm being daft....... :(

[PILRCGeff]

One year I may go to the Remembrance parade in Embra,haven't so far cos I don't feel worthy.Mebbe I'm being daft....... :(

Yes you are being daft. You did your bit!

[Dougie]

Thanks Geff,don't know why I feel that way. :confused:

[Jonnyfp]

Not being sycaphantic (spelling*) but you are an ex soldier and you deserve it if you want to do it, You are as much a contributer to our way of life no matter what conflicts you where involved in. Just cos your not in your 90's dont mean your not sposed to be there.

Not a soldier ex or otherwise just grateful.

[smeghead]

One year I may go to the Remembrance parade in Embra,haven't so far cos I don't feel worthy.Mebbe I'm being daft....... :(
Yes you are, douggie you've served you've done your bit, and for that we are grateful

[karent]

jimmymoonlight, i agree with you in what you said, on rememberance day i remember all the dead in all wars and i weep when i hear of another young casualty sacrificied for the great god of greed. I do not ctiticise the servicemen and women and their courage, i criticise the feckless politicians whe send them knowing fine well they fight for a lie. Many years ago at school I had a lesson from a man who had been held in Barlinnie prison for several years of the war(2nd) because he was a conscientious objector, he was a lovely gentle man who never said a bad word about those who fought, it was his personal choice. Very recently i heard an army officer(doctor) speaking telling why he was refusing to serve in Iraq and Afghanistan, served most other places, wasnt anti-war, was anti these wars.Years ago whilst studying history at glasgow uni i felt extremly sad to discover that whilst our young men and women fought and died against hitler and his theories, our royal family cavorted over europe with his followers, some times even giving the salutes and wearing the uniforms, nothing is simple and there is always just a wee bit more being kept from us.light and peace to all. k

[Jonnyfp]

jimmymoonlight, i agree with you in what you said, on rememberance day i remember all the dead in all wars and i weep when i hear of another young casualty sacrificied for the great god of greed. I do not ctiticise the servicemen and women and their courage, i criticise the feckless politicians whe send them knowing fine well they fight for a lie. Many years ago at school I had a lesson from a man who had been held in Barlinnie prison for several years of the war(2nd) because he was a conscientious objector, he was a lovely gentle man who never said a bad word about those who fought, it was his personal choice. Very recently i heard an army officer(doctor) speaking telling why he was refusing to serve in Iraq and Afghanistan, served most other places, wasnt anti-war, was anti these wars.Years ago whilst studying history at glasgow uni i felt extremly sad to discover that whilst our young men and women fought and died against hitler and his theories, our royal family cavorted over europe with his followers, some times even giving the salutes and wearing the uniforms, nothing is simple and there is always just a wee bit more being kept from us.light and peace to all. k


We read that was WW1 with kaisers and our gentry...still **** tho.

[scouselee]

As a mark of respect and thanks I always do and always will and my kids have been brought up to respect what has been given up for them as well.

[Friar Tuck]

goes without saying!

[Dougie]

We read that was WW1 with kaisers and our gentry...still **** tho.
That's because they were all related.Look at piccies of the Czar,Kaiser Bill and King Eddie the 7th,the family resemblance is unavoidable.

[Fran]

jimmymoonlight, i agree with you in what you said, on rememberance day i remember all the dead in all wars and i weep when i hear of another young casualty sacrificied for the great god of greed. I do not ctiticise the servicemen and women and their courage, i criticise the feckless politicians whe send them knowing fine well they fight for a lie. Many years ago at school I had a lesson from a man who had been held in Barlinnie prison for several years of the war(2nd) because he was a conscientious objector, he was a lovely gentle man who never said a bad word about those who fought, it was his personal choice. Very recently i heard an army officer(doctor) speaking telling why he was refusing to serve in Iraq and Afghanistan, served most other places, wasnt anti-war, was anti these wars.Years ago whilst studying history at glasgow uni i felt extremly sad to discover that whilst our young men and women fought and died against hitler and his theories, our royal family cavorted over europe with his followers, some times even giving the salutes and wearing the uniforms, nothing is simple and there is always just a wee bit more being kept from us.light and peace to all. k


But do you wear a poppy & observe the 2 minute silence?

[BigBod]

One year I may go to the Remembrance parade in Embra,haven't so far cos I don't feel worthy.Mebbe I'm being daft....... :(

I know exactly how you feel mate. I too don't feel worthy knowing that many suffered far worse than me (I have my Falklands and Gulf medals). I do attend the local remembrance service in our village but I don't wear my medals.

They are on show, in a box on the wall and if someone asks I'll talk about it, always feel a bit awkward though. don't know why.

[karent]

Fran, i wear a white poppy for all war dead and yes i do observe the two minute silence... Dougie, come to the Glasgow cenotaph, im there every year...

[Kingo]

I posted this photo before of A group of us after the rememberance parade last November, It is an honour for me in the chair to even be in the presence of these gentlemen the oldest of which is 86 they are all hero's to me.
They do not glorify there deeds of which they are many, you only have to look at the number of decorations they wear, they are just ordinary men who fought and managed to survive when lots of there palls did not.
The Gentleman holding my chair has since passed away.

I am sorry if I upset some people on this forum, but I have no time for the white poppy on rememberance day on November the 11th.

If they were to hold it on another day I would support it 100% but not on November the 11th

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/7631/raf62ro.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[karent]

lovely picture, im very proud of them too, going with me mate and her dad on Friday in Glasgow as he goes to collect his veteran medal cause he's 90, they'll be in addition to his war medals, R.A.f.. I never limit myself, ihave friends of all creeds, beliefsetc, we all share the universe. I have utmost respect for the red poppy, went to France and it was the most powerful emotive image i ever saw was the war graves but i choose to wear the white poppy to signify all the war dead. as has been told to me they fought for my right to choose....

[Kingo]

Hi Karent,
The red poppy is a tribute to all service personnel that have fought and fallen in all conflicts since WW1, It is worn in November as a tribute to them.
The war memorials were erected in their memory

The Red Poppy appeal is a registered charity all monies collected by poppy sellers go to helping ex service personnel and their families .

The white poppy is not a charity!! all monies made by the poppy sellers go into their own pockets, they don't help anyone.

Like I said if they had a special day set aside for the white poppy I would support it, especially if the money went to a charity, and they erected a monument to peace where the white poppy could be placed.

[Grav]

Always have and always will.

A minutes silence was observed at last Mondays football match between Wigan and Man Utd for Private Lee Ellis, a Manchester lad who was once on Wigans books as an Apprentice Goalkeeper. He gave up a promising career to join the Army and tragically lost his life in Iraq last week.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4766514.stm

We will remember them.

[Kingo]

Always have and always will.

A minutes silence was observed at last Mondays football match between Wigan and Man Utd for Private Lee Ellis, a Manchester lad who was once on Wigans books as an Apprentice Goalkeeper. He gave up a promising career to join the Army and tragically lost his life in Iraq last week.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4766514.stm

We will remember them.
Nice to see that Grav, as it has already been said the silence has been miss used in the past, but not in this case.

[Dougie]

I'm afraid I have no time whatsoever for the white poppy.A bloke in our stair wore one a few tears ago,I asked him why and he told me that the red poppy glorified war.I came very close to kicking the living sh!t out of him. :mad:

[PILRCGeff]

This is the first time Ive heard of the white poppy. Cant say Im impressed.
the red poppy is in honour of those who gave their lives. The white poppy is in honour of what exactly?

Nothing personal against peoples individual beliefs but to wear anything but the red poppy on the day is disrespectful and I dont like disrespectful people.

[Dougie]

The white poppy appeared a few years ago as a political statement by certain factions of the far left and CND.It didn't last long........This is the first I've heard of it since.

[Kingo]

in 2004 Aberystwyth was the only town in the whole of the UK that allowed the white poppy at the 2 minutes silence ceremony the mayor and all the coucillors wore them, and they also had a white poppy wreath, they even put it on the war memorial, but it was soon removed.
When Legion members were asked for their comments they were unprintable.

[Creature]

if someone asks I'll talk about it, always feel a bit awkward though. don't know why.

thats because you dont want to feel like your bragging about it (probally)

My grandad would never talk about his experiances or about his medals from teh 2nd world war - he said he was to proud to talk about it - shame cuase when he died some 13 years ago he was ashamed of what the country had become. ( i am just glad hes not around today).

always were with pride and honor the silence......

[Kingo]

Creature you should wear his medals in his honour, you wear them on your right side.

[Kingo]

Off to a Legion meeting now catch you all tomorrow folks ;)

[smeghead]

thats because you dont want to feel like your bragging about it (probally)

My grandad would never talk about his experiances or about his medals from teh 2nd world war - he said he was to proud to talk about it - shame cuase when he died some 13 years ago he was ashamed of what the country had become. ( i am just glad hes not around today).

always were with pride and honor the silence......

my most treasured posesions are my grandads medals and photos of him from ww2

[jimmymoonlite]

Sorry but I think you mean Clauswitz

Yeah, well, HE PROBABLY SAID IT FIRST......!!but..........!!
I think in respect of Jonny's thread though bruv, the following quote from PERICLES (hell, but the boy's on fire tonight.....),

"We have compelled every land and every sea to open a path for our valour, and have everywhere planted eternal memorials of our friendship and of our enmity............"

pretty much sums up what a red poppie means to those who seek to understand..........you ride on bro, ride free, n if you come across a blue flake K reg Intruder with white skulls n black flames on the tank and a poppy courtesy of the British Legion (some of the finest people who evr drew breath outside of the mob) on the windshield, then its probably mine........

Respect, man........


Jimmymoonlite

[jimmymoonlite]

One year I may go to the Remembrance parade in Embra,haven't so far cos I don't feel worthy.Mebbe I'm being daft....... :(

Skeletons in the cupboard Dougie, skeletons in the cupboard mate........I kinda get where you are coming from bro, because I go through periods of fierce pride and then some awful black depressions, never felt like this when I was in..........mebbe its just one big guilt trip mate..........you can never live up to real soldiers who you know did their bit to the ultimate.......I go to the parade every year and its always with mixed emotions before and certainly after, I kinda feel unworthy you know?? but I dunno why...........

[Creature]

Creature you should wear his medals in his honour, you wear them on your right side.

Wouldnt feel right - they are his and i remember him thru them

[Dougie]

Skeletons in the cupboard Dougie, skeletons in the cupboard mate........I kinda get where you are coming from bro, because I go through periods of fierce pride and then some awful black depressions, never felt like this when I was in..........mebbe its just one big guilt trip mate..........you can never live up to real soldiers who you know did their bit to the ultimate.......I go to the parade every year and its always with mixed emotions before and certainly after, I kinda feel unworthy you know?? but I dunno why...........
That pretty much sums it up Jimmy,thanks.Went through some sh!t in NI,more than some,less than others,but compared to the guys who were injured or lost their lives there or in other conflicts I just feel like an insignificant dick'ead (to paraphrase Andy MacNab).I guess those of us who've been there'll be the only ones who really understand,eh?

[PILRCGeff]

Jimmy and Dougie, you did your part. Just because you didnt actually get injured doesnt mean you didnt do anything to be proud of. You have your memories and your medals and you have earned your place with the others who served in other conflicts. Never be ashamed of having fought for your country.

[Spike]

Jimmy and Dougie, you did your part. Just because you didnt actually get injured doesnt mean you didnt do anything to be proud of. You have your memories and your medals and you have earned your place with the others who served in other conflicts. Never be ashamed of having fought for your country.


Very well said.

[Juke]

Ditto....well said that man

[Dougie]

Thanks folks.
BTW got my nose broken in NI..........reckon in the US Army that would have got me the Purple Heart. :eek:

[tease]

I wouldnt go THAT far Brother :D

I know the feeling though, In the US Army, when you go to combat you wear the unit patch that you went with on your right shoulder (the unit you are currently in is worn on the left). The regulations say you CAN though, not that you MUST.

After returning from Kuwait (on the first go round) I wouldn't and I got tons of flak for it from all sorts of brass.

My reasons were mostly the same, I didnt feel as if I earned it the way Viet Nam vets did, didn't feel as if it were right.

The same goes for my medals, they sat in a drawer until my Dad gave me his over Christmas. When I got home I made 2 identical shadow boxes and cut down my last pair of cammies as a background, mounted his in one and mine in the other, his hang to the right of mine (position of honor in medal rank)

I guess we never feel we did enough, or even as much as others

[PILRCGeff]

I guess we never feel we did enough, or even as much as others

Well at least you did SOMETHING! Thats a lot more than most people.

[SatinBlack]

I guess we never feel we did enough, or even as much as others

Well i ain't been in the forces but i can understand what your saying about not feeling you did enough but in my twisted logic i would wear your medals as a sign of respect for those that didn't make it and to honour those you served with, wear them proudly you didn't get them for nothing!

[excaliburs missus]

So how many of you observe the 2 minute silence wear poppies and truly respect the folk who fought in all the wars?

Both me and Excalibur always do ............. thankfully they observe this at work as well, so we dont have to stand outside or anything (not that I would mind having to do that if we had to)

Our red poppy is permanantly stuck onto our monitor at home as well. Nice to remember them all year round as well I think

[Juke]

Anyone who has served in the forces at any level deserves the utmost respect in my opinion.
I have a poppy permenently on my pc at home...........with pride... :D

[Rabid1]

This sort of thread pisses me off. not because i am not proud of what i have done and also other members on this forum who i have served with (cheers Shep). but what pisses me off is with the attitude of the government they really dont give a cuss. There are Toms that i served with who are still waiting for their medals and that is still three years on. the British Tommy will always be there and the goverment will always send them but as soon as they have done the job the government are not interested :mad: Raise a glass to all that are serving and have served cheers lads and lasses :D

[jimmymoonlite]

So right mate but it was ever so...........the British Military is the best in the world and the size of an empire now gone is testimony to that, as are the many crosses "in some foreign field" (Rudyard Kipling I believe).

In times of conflict or threat of conflict it is the Armed Forces who are on point but afterwards always the first to suffer cuts and have the backs of politicians turned against them.
We have seen it in Iraq in recent months and it is still going on now.

Whilst people were feteing Nelson after his Battle of the Nile, disabled marines and matelots were dying of starvation in the back streets of Portsmouth.

The present scandal of outstanding medals to vets is a long standing issue where some guys are still awaiting issue of their medals from the Suez campaign. There are still over 2000 medals owed to vets of the recent Iraq campaign. The guys aren't interested in excuses given by the Medal Office and army authorities as to why they still await their awards. They tend to see it as just another example of the cavalier way that successive governments treat the Armed Forces as soon as they feel their services can be reduced or dispensed with all together WHEN THEY HAVE DONE THEIR BIT..

The laughable state of the newly issued body armour to the lads is another example of knee jerk reaction, to rush out to the lads this new supposed improved coverage body armour (i.c.b.a.) protective equipment which in fact restricts movement in every way from covering arcs of fire to getting in and out of vehicles. I'ts even difficult for drivers to get a full turning circle on.
An unnamed squaddie is quoted as saying "someone needs to take a look at this because my life is more at risk wearing it......"

The Defence Secretary is decidedly cagey when asked about the "body bag factor" arising from the deployment of the lads to Afghanistan........MY LAD IS GOING OUT THERE F'R FECKS SAKE.......I WANNA FECKIN' KNOW!!!!!!

Goverments rely on patriotism to rally to the flag...........but I don't see Tony Blair's lads being pursuaded by Cherie to rush to volunteer for the forces.
And I see that Army Chiefs are covering the groin of the royals by making sure that their offspring are'nt put in harms way....

[Dougie]

The laughable state of the newly issued body armour to the lads is another example of knee jerk reaction, to rush out to the lads this new supposed improved coverage body armour (i.c.b.a.) protective equipment which in fact restricts movement in every way from covering arcs of fire to getting in and out of vehicles. I'ts even difficult for drivers to get a full turning circle on.
An unnamed squaddie is quoted as saying "someone needs to take a look at this because my life is more at risk wearing it......"
No change there then,Jimmy.Somebody told me that the Flak vests we had in NI 26 years ago (hell is it REALLY that long :eek: ) were US Army Viet Nam surplus.We knew they were as much use as a plastic frying pan,they were heavy,uncomfortable and wouldn't stop a round,barely slow it down even.In fact if you did get shot the round would drag the wadding from the vest into the wound so if you didn't snuff it from the shot you'd probably die from an infection!The RUC on the other hand had vests with ceramic armour which weren't much heavier,a sight less bulky and a helluva lot safer.Oh aye,the velcro on mine wouldn't stay fastened....... :rolleyes:

[MancCatz]

Dougie the C.B.A. (Combat body armour) is only yo hold your guts in. got that off a MO in NI nice thought when you are frezzing your nuts off on some street. bricking your self.

I observe the silence. dont wear my tin though. i feel the same as you Dougie.

what about a rally in the summer for ex-personnel of HM queen and friends to raise money for the poppy appeal. Kingo what do you think.

the yanks do this kind off stuff. why should we be made to feel ashamed by the burocrats.

Catz
(Ex-lance commical KINGS Regt)

[karent]

glad some ex-service personnell have brought up the subject of the terrible way that veterans, old and new are treated. This was my sentiment from the start.Not only are serving soldiers given inappropiate and inefficient kit, they dont get medals owed to them and if they suffer from industrial diseases like gulf war syndrome, they are denied, lied to or made out that they are indeed off their heads. My previous threads where accused of being disrespectful, to serving and ex service men and women ? never to lying using governments who send them into do the dirty work? you bet..These men and women from all wars shouldnt need to wait for handouts from charities, it should be given freely from the state. thank you for an interesting thread, k

[WeaverII]

Always have several poppies: on the bikes and on various jackets so there's always at least one there. Always observe the silence, and it seems to get to me more and more every year.

I've never been in, but I've always been fascinated by military matters right from playing wargames at school. It's very easy for folk like me to see everything as just "counters in the game" or numbers on a piece of paper: I go out of my way to avoid that, bloody well MAKE myself look at the human cost, and never, ever forget.

[bunbag]

IAM VERY SORRY TO SAY THIS BUT I USED TO STAY IN A CLOSE CALLED DUNBARS CLOSE IN EDINBURGH IN THE CANNONGATE THE BACK DOOR LEAD INTO THE POPPY Factory where the earl o o haig conscience it still sickeness me i watched men with no leg,s arms cow tow to there peirs
i also remberer sitting under a factory workers table an he was as asked how he liked working (this was a hero that they dised) there all he said was i only see the table in front of me and dont see day light and when the so called fuck witis left he was sacked
so fuck yer earl o haig conscineces poppy

respect to all that past an all injured squaddies army navy air force and the forgotten people that had a part in it

[Fran]

glad some ex-service personnell have brought up the subject of the terrible way that veterans, old and new are treated. This was my sentiment from the start.Not only are serving soldiers given inappropiate and inefficient kit, they dont get medals owed to them and if they suffer from industrial diseases like gulf war syndrome, they are denied, lied to or made out that they are indeed off their heads. My previous threads where accused of being disrespectful, to serving and ex service men and women ? never to lying using governments who send them into do the dirty work? you bet..These men and women from all wars shouldnt need to wait for handouts from charities, it should be given freely from the state. thank you for an interesting thread, k

You still seem to be totally oblivious that your original choice of words was very offensive to many people.

[Kingo]

Dougie the C.B.A. (Combat body armour) is only yo hold your guts in. got that off a MO in NI nice thought when you are frezzing your nuts off on some street. bricking your self.

I observe the silence. dont wear my tin though. i feel the same as you Dougie.

what about a rally in the summer for ex-personnel of HM queen and friends to raise money for the poppy appeal. Kingo what do you think.

the yanks do this kind off stuff. why should we be made to feel ashamed by the burocrats.

Catz
(Ex-lance commical KINGS Regt)

I think that's a great idea MancCatz, :D a couple of the lads on the forum sponsored me by sending me a pound for every tin that I filled, and I filled 12 tins when I did my long stint last November, I am not going to embarrass them by naming them, but with their help I managed to break my record. :D