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blackhack
31-01-2006, 04:12 PM
Another one died today....Brave men every one of them, But,,???
the mother of the Scot's squady killed by a sniper said on local radio that he shouldn't be there..??
I think if you join up, that's the chance you take...your enlisting in the army FFS not the boy scouts..You get trained to be a killer amongst other things, and as such you automatically become a target of every nut job out there....
If you don't want shot at...don't join the bloody army
Simon B
31-01-2006, 04:19 PM
Well said.Blackhack
It never ceases to amaze me when people go on about it. Dont get me wrong it is woefull when any one looses their life and the way it will affect their families etc.
But joined the armed forces and there is a chance you will come under fire.
kitkatman
31-01-2006, 04:22 PM
For queen and country........
you may have to lay down your life when you take the queens shilling, but that would have been explained anyway... good cooment B.H
Blackhack I agree, more people should be dying for our country.. frankly we're flagging in the casualty stakes!
Simon B
31-01-2006, 04:38 PM
Happy biker, why shouldnt we have been there as a country?
Simon B
31-01-2006, 04:50 PM
Ok some of it was lies, but only a small part.
Saddam was an evil dictator who some may believe was the best man to rule that country, Our government and opposition voted to go to war. Therefore the armed forces are likely to get casulaties.
To keep blaming Blair ( Who I cant stand either) is a waste of time, most of the politicians voted to go in. And that is how our country ( wrightly or wrongly) is run.
Also at the end of the day Id rather have our country fighting alongside the Americans and being '' Friends '' of theirs than having to rely on nato if were ever in the ****e.
ughesh
31-01-2006, 04:57 PM
Blackhack I agree, more people should be dying for our country.. frankly we're flagging in the casualty stakes!
I have tried to give you the benefit of doubt by reading all the postings on this thread, but what you have said here turns my stomach.
I told my family that if I were killed in action I would want them to be proud of me and the job that I chose to do. Tony Blair is a man doing a very difficult job, he knows things that you have never thought about or if you had would dismiss because of unknowing.
I have tried to give you the benefit of doubt by reading all the postings on this thread, but what you have said here turns my stomach.
I told my family that if I were killed in action I would want them to be proud of me and the job that I chose to do. Tony Blair is a man doing a very difficult job, he knows things that you have never thought about or if you had would dismiss because of unknowing.
at least I got a reaction. At the end of the day the war is on, we are not moving out , our troops are involved end of story. Join the forces you could get killed... ride a bike you could get killed... drink too much, smoke too much , eat too much.
one way or another it comes to us all , agreed these kind of deaths could have been avoided but 100 dead out of the amount in combat is a bloody good result in terms of numbers.
I'm a parent and I agree i'd have the right arsehole if one of my kids died in something I didn't agree with ... but take as read and don't give it the I feel sick routine.
Like someone just said this sh1t has been debated time and time again... has the war stopped? you tell me.
krammer
31-01-2006, 05:05 PM
if british troops are killed in a legitimate conflict it is still sad but you feel they died for a reason. the iraq war was based upon a lie, bush and blair knew there were no wmd's there, they knew that iraq had nothing to do with islamic terrorism but still they went ahead with their little adventure. saddam was a cruel and brutal dictator but they are a dime a dozen around the world but they are not being threatened, why not?. iraq was a soveriegn nation that had not threatened the west yet countries like north korea can spout anti western rhetoric and nothing is done, how come? nothing to do with the fact that they have china as an ally i suppose.........what we now have in iraq is a god awful fucking mess and no one seems to know what to do next. the families who have lost son's' brothers, fathers there have every right to feel bitter.
ughesh
31-01-2006, 05:18 PM
Blackhack I agree, more people should be dying for our country.. frankly we're flagging in the casualty stakes!
"more people should be dying for our country.. "
You say we shouldn't be there in one breath and you say 'more people should be dying'
"frankly we're flagging in the casualty stakes"
How many would you like to see die?
Your words, If I've taken your words out of context then I would appologise.
Would you?
critch
31-01-2006, 05:32 PM
"more people should be dying for our country.. "
You say we shouldn't be there in one breath and you say 'more people should be dying'
"frankly we're flagging in the casualty stakes"
How many would you like to see die?
Your words, If I've taken your words out of context then I would appologise.
Would you?
slobs a pisstaking sod mate.... but very lovable for a southern fairy
this wars bullsh!t we should have fekked saddam over after the origional war NOT left 10 years later andwhat george senior did to the kurds after the first war, imo there are more war criminals involved in this than just madass hussien....
politics its all w@nk...........
Kingo
31-01-2006, 05:34 PM
I dont agree with the Iraq question, but as an ex service man and as others on here who have served in the armed forces will tell you, you do not have a choice as to where or when you have to fight.
Those that enlist know the score, they have to go wherever they are sent and make the best of thing's.
ughesh
31-01-2006, 05:53 PM
slobs a pisstaking sod mate.... but very lovable for a southern fairy
That's as maybe but how do you thing the mother of that lad would feel if she read SLOB's words.
Even on open Forum's, Tact, Diplomacy and Sensitivity should have a place.
Dougie
31-01-2006, 05:57 PM
As long as the folks in this country don't start taking their frustrations out on the servicemen the way the Yanks did during and after Viet Nam.
BTW there are still people in Scotland (and probably the rest of Britain) who would give me a kicking for serving in NI.
Kingo
31-01-2006, 06:02 PM
As long as the folks in this country don't start taking their frustrations out on the servicemen the way the Yanks did during and after Viet Nam.
BTW there are still people in Scotland (and probably the rest of Britain) who would give me a kicking for serving in NI.
Dougie you had to go where you where sent mate, I did'nt enjoy serving in NI either.
Dougie
31-01-2006, 06:06 PM
Dougie you had to go where you where sent mate, I did'nt enjoy serving in NI either.
It had its moments though.....
ughesh
31-01-2006, 06:07 PM
The ignorant shout the loudest.
I had dealings with NI, Falklands, Namibia, Gulf 1, Gulf 2 & Bosnia.
Oh Yeah and the Firemans strike.
Dougie
31-01-2006, 06:09 PM
The ignorant shout the loudest.
Meaning.......? :confused:
kitkatman
31-01-2006, 06:14 PM
its a very sad fact that soldiers die in the time of war, but don't take it out on the squaddies, these persons have taken a oath to defend the country and to obey the chief in command, whether the decision to goto war is right or wrong, they have died in the job that they are paid to do...............
polititians lie...
squaddies die.....
its a fact of life, get used to it
ughesh
31-01-2006, 06:19 PM
Meaning.......? :confused:
Meaning, people like the originator of this arguement/discussion (SLOB) should speak on things he knows about.
You having served in NI you would never say things that he/she has, would you.
Dougie
31-01-2006, 06:21 PM
Yes,I have done,rightly or wrongly.It's called gallows humour.It happens during all conflicts.
critch
31-01-2006, 06:24 PM
Yes,I have done,rightly or wrongly.It's called gallows humour.It happens during all conflicts.
yep...me too... things said in jest etc :rolleyes:
ughesh
31-01-2006, 06:31 PM
Of the ORIGINAL reasons given to the British public to go to war, Could you please tell the world which parts weren't lies. That should be fairly easy if the majority of reasons were true. I am having a little trouble finding any myself.
My having a son in the forces who has served in Iraq has nothing to do with my views. We all know the risks and he doesn't shirk them.
Apparantly George Galloway went to see Saddam and told him to get rid of his WMD. ???
What happened to the seven ships that left the port at Basra and were sailing around in circles as if they didn't know where to go, and what were they carrying. ???
They were allowed to disappear. ???
There are many questions unanswered but people pick up on the ones that they choose mostly guilded by the media.
As for your son, my heart goes out to him as a fellow (ex)squaddie give him my regards.
blackhack
31-01-2006, 06:44 PM
Apparantly George Galloway went to see Saddam and told him to get rid of his WMD. ???
Aye...And who told you that ?? George himself perhaps ??
There's propaganda from both sides you know....dont believe everything you hear, especially if its from the right wing newspapers who are owned by the very same people who own the oil companies....
OOOHHHH I've gone and done it now...I've brought the oil question back into the limelight...
ughesh
31-01-2006, 06:50 PM
things said in jest etc :rolleyes:
I wonder how the 100 mothers would see it.
I wonder how the 100 mothers would see it.
Unfortunately when you join the army you can't get out of a war/conflict with a "please excuse..." note from your mum.Agreeing or disagreeing with wars isn't part of the contract.My husband & dad are ex squaddies & I totally admire anyone who is brave enough to sign up.
As for gallows humour...it's what gets a lot of squaddies through horrific situations.
ughesh
31-01-2006, 07:28 PM
Another one died today....Brave men every one of them, But,,???
the mother of the Scot's squady killed by a sniper said on local radio that he shouldn't be there..??
I think if you join up, that's the chance you take...your enlisting in the army FFS not the boy scouts..You get trained to be a killer amongst other things, and as such you automatically become a target of every nut job out there....
If you don't want shot at...don't join the bloody army
Blackhack I agree, more people should be dying for our country.. frankly we're flagging in the casualty stakes!
Just to remind you, my arguement is over SLOB's comments.
I agree with the comments about Gallows Humour, which should be reserved for those qualified to use it.
ughesh
31-01-2006, 07:29 PM
Good Night & Good Bye
Kingo
31-01-2006, 07:30 PM
Most of the people who shout the loudest have never been involved in conflict themselves.
Where were all these anti war protesters during the NI trouble.
There were far more casualties over in NI !!
Below is only the KINGS Regiment memorial list.
But there were many others just like them.
RIP lads.
http://www.savethekings.co.uk/memorial.html
That's as maybe but how do you thing the mother of that lad would feel if she read SLOB's words.
Even on open Forum's, Tact, Diplomacy and Sensitivity should have a place.
i'm gonna leave this one cos it'll go on all day I'll respect your opinion and I would urge the same from you.
Meaning, people like the originator of this arguement/discussion (SLOB) should speak on things he knows about.
You having served in NI you would never say things that he/she has, would you.
fuck in hell wish I had read this one sooner. UG, I have to say you have well and truly chucked your toys. I have never served, have never purported to serve and likelyhood is at my age never will. We all make our beds. Just cos I haven't killed, had mates killed in conflict doesn't mean I am not entitled to having a laugh or an opinion for that matter.
I will say this once I TAKE NOTHING AWAY FROM THOSE WHO DO SERVE AND HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR THEIR BRAVERY AND COMMITTMENT
But if you work with a furnace don't complain when you get burned and do not assume that I am some ignorant gob****e with nothing better to do. I have my share of sh1t same as everyone else.
This will be my last post on this thread cos frankly I think i've wasted enough energy. And clearly you are not going to get over it in a hurry.
I'll respect yours and you can take or leave mine (opinions)
Why is death number 100 so special? What about number 35 or 12 or 98?
Bloody press have been waiting for this for weeks.
Dougie
31-01-2006, 08:47 PM
It'll get to the stage it did in NI,a squaddy dies,he gets a small paragraph on page five. :mad:
Dougie
31-01-2006, 08:54 PM
G'night HB.
critch
31-01-2006, 09:34 PM
I wonder how the 100 mothers would see it.
if they wanted a safe occupation they should have signed up for the salvation army.........
as much as i deplore this war theyre in the army and this was their job....
ill think of them with honour but ill still think it was a waste of life for basically making some scumbags richer than the dreams of averice...
if they wanted a safe occupation they should have signed up for the salvation army.........
as much as i deplore this war theyre in the army and this was their job....
ill think of them with honour but ill still think it was a waste of life for basically making some scumbags richer than the dreams of averice...
Well said that man................
It is always sad when a life is lost in war, but that is what soldiers should expect surely. I feel for the families and friends of these brave men, they die for thier country but that don't make it any easier. The bloody politicians should be out on the front line, then maybe they would see what war is really all about........ :mad:
jimmymoonlite
01-02-2006, 04:49 PM
Now, I've done a bit of time like a lot of you bros n sistas out there serving the Queen n Country n doin my bit in the LEAN GREEN FIGHTING MACHINE...sadly leaner now than it was in the 70's.
My youngest lad has done his time in harm's way, 6 months in the bad lands down BASRA way and he knows AL AMARAH well........He is now in the land of Erin and under orders for AFGHANISTAN.......
I am proud of my lad, proud of all of them who fly the flag and fight for the colours and most importantly their mates......I have to agree that this is not our war, BLAIR MADE IT OURS HOWEVER WHEN HE BECAME A SYCOPHANT OF THAT FAILED PRESIDENT AND TOTAL TOSSER BUSH.
I know how much my lad had changed when he came home, it took him three days to open up to me but when he did he had to be pissed, (we both were) and we talked until dawn after which he went to bed and slept for 15 hours.
He had some tales to tell and he was honest enough to admit he was either **** scared or bored ****less.
I can relate to that.
Soldiers never think that when they go into harm's way they might not come back, its only when you are advancing to contact that you think such thoughts but with the first contact training takes over and you are there for your mates.
Nobody joins H.M. FORCES with a death wish, those who are are soon weeded out at Colly or Winchester but it really wrenches my gut to see on the news or in the papers another body coming home to grieving loved ones.
I only attended two military funerals for two guys from my unit, one murdered in Bandit country and one killed in a lanny roll over on Salisbury Plain.
I can't forget either.
Only the families of the lads who were carried off the aircraft can describe how they feel, only they can state if it was worth it.
Personally I don't think it is, and I agree wholeheartedly with the Scots father of no. 99 on Iraq's bloodstained roll of Honour ...... let BLAIR send his son.......then perhaps he would not be so eager to further his position on the world stage at the expense of our sons and daughters.
Sorry to go on you kats, I do tend to run off at the mouth but this unjust, illegal and unwanted war REALLY GRIPS MY ****.....
Jimmymoonlite.......who DOES CARE WHO WINS.........
PILRCGeff
01-02-2006, 06:54 PM
The bottom line is British soldiers are dying to pay for Blairs ego. We should never have been there in the first place. We went to war based on a cynical lie. The blood of every one of those soldiers is on T Blairs hands.
Yes, we know the risks when we take the job. But we signed up to defend our nation and its interests.
Perhaps Mr Blair should change the name of the Ministry of Defence back to what it used to be called - The War Department. At least then he would be being a bit more honest about how he intends to use the Armed Forces.
After reading these past few posts, all I can say is that I have the ultimate respect for the boys and girls of the armed forces. But also for the parents and families of these brave soldiers.
Seeing the change war brings upon your children when they return from war must be a heart-rending experience. I cannot even imagine how you feel. All I do know is that you must be proud as a man could be. And so you should be.
I do know this is a futile exercise, and even though I do not pretend to understand the polotics of war, I do agree that TB should send his son, or better still, put on some greens and get his lousy arse onto the frontline and see if he has just a scrap of the balls our boys have.
I fear the Prime Minister is probably the biggest coward this country has the shame of holding. The man disgusts me in every way, as do all poloticians.
To anyone on this forum who has sons, daughters, family members or mates in the military who are there, or may be called out to war, I wish with all my heart that they return safe and sound.
Respect and honour to you all.............................. ;)
ncdukalike
01-02-2006, 07:26 PM
After reading these past few posts, all I can say is that I have the ultimate respect for the boys and girls of the armed forces. But also for the parents and families of these brave soldiers.
Seeing the change war brings upon your children when they return from war must be a heart-rending experience. I cannot even imagine how you feel. All I do know is that you must be proud as a man could be. And so you should be.
I do know this is a futile exercise, and even though I do not pretend to understand the polotics of war, I do agree that TB should send his son, or better still, put on some greens and get his lousy arse onto the frontline and see if he has just a scrap of the balls our boys have.
I fear the Prime Minister is probably the biggest coward this country has the shame of holding. The man disgusts me in every way, as do all poloticians.
To anyone on this forum who has sons, daughters, family members or mates in the military who are there, or may be called out to war, I wish with all my heart that they return safe and sound.
Respect and honour to you all.............................. ;)
yeah i agree with this, well done to every 1 out there just a shame for the families loses. juke u got mail hun
seedless
01-02-2006, 07:28 PM
Another one died today....Brave men every one of them,
I think if you join up, that's the chance you take...your enlisting in the army FFS not the boy scouts..You get trained to be a killer amongst other things, and as such you automatically become a target of every nut job out there....
If you don't want shot at...don't join the bloody army
Totally agree well said
seedless
01-02-2006, 07:30 PM
To anyone on this forum who has sons, daughters, family members or mates in the military who are there, or may be called out to war, I wish with all my heart that they return safe and sound.
Respect and honour to you all.............................. ;)
Also very well said
Bassman
01-02-2006, 07:32 PM
Does anyone really think that all the folk that join the services really consider carefully the risks etc. that go along with the job before they join..
If so they must live in the land of dreams...
There are loads of lads that join the services to get away from a ****e area/job/family life etc.etc. etc. and never consider that they may be called upen to die for their country...
When i joined up, i did so to get away from a ****e place with no prospects of ever getting a job that didnt involve a shovel. Finding out the responsibilities that went with that signature on the dotted line was then and I reckon still is a fecking great shock to loads of recruits...
The argument that they know what they were getting themselves into, is correct in a %age of people but I certainly don't think its the case for the majority of youngsters that join up...
Friar Tuck
01-02-2006, 07:44 PM
It is unfortunate Our boys are out there! And put there by government that cow tows the wishes of a war-mongering President!
At least when, Dubya's term is over he cannot be re-elected! And with a bit of luck TB will have gone by the next election! Although I wonder what "behind the scenes" scam he and Gordon Brown, have cooked up, one can only guess! I bet TB has done a deal with Gordon, whereby Gordon succeeds, him Tony will have a place in the new government!
Anyway, Maybe with New governments in place both here and the USA, We will see our boys and girls back from around the world! Not just Iraq.
Dougie
01-02-2006, 07:45 PM
Don't hold yer breath......... :mad:
A bloke spends 12 years of weekends and holidays training to do a job.
He gets to a high level of competance and confidence, works with those who do the job full time.
He finally gets told to go and do this job for real, he's fully willing to do so.
He does the best he possibly can, for himself, his mates, those in charge, those back home.
He comes back home to find his wife of 25 years has left him, he's broke, and nobody gives a sh1t.
People then tell him that what he did was unneccessary, illegal, wrong, a waste.
Dunno why I fcukking bothered.
karent
01-02-2006, 10:47 PM
yea, i suppose if you join up then it is possible you may die but if you have no other options the maybe survival is way down the issues to be thought about. It is a bloody waste for another young life to go but all life is sacred and there's people dying in Iraq and Afghanistan every day. The idea of these young men dying for queen and country is an old-fashioned one im afraid, esso oil company and it's zillions of dollars profit is what it's really about. My son? id be declaring war on fat rich american and rich businessmen.k
Cookie
01-02-2006, 11:52 PM
Another one died today....Brave men every one of them, But,,???
the mother of the Scot's squady killed by a sniper said on local radio that he shouldn't be there..??
I think if you join up, that's the chance you take...your enlisting in the army FFS not the boy scouts..You get trained to be a killer amongst other things, and as such you automatically become a target of every nut job out there....
If you don't want shot at...don't join the bloody army
Totally agree - if you are in the services, you have signed up to fight for your country - hats off to every one of them.
BUT shame on the polititians that lied to them, their folks and us, about why they were going to send them.
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