Government Overthrow

[mr.chaz]

well , just been watching the coutryside alliance folk demonstrating against fox hunting ban.
I figure that if these guys joined forces with the "Fathers for Justice" , then they could easily overthrow the government.

Nice to see "public service employee" policemen truncheoning the crowd indescriminantly and those tossers in black tights trying to wrestle the few out that got into Parliament , trying to make their voice heard.

Now if I could just find "rocket launchers" on my Ebay search and we've got it cracked.
I'll get me green wellies on-
Tally ho!!!!

[krammer]

how about starting a revolution? kick the inbreeds out of their palaces, re-introduce wolves back into the forests, restrict the 'poor' farmers to just one range rover apiece, legalize drugs, hunt the huntsmen and women (they should be easy enough to spot with their poncey clothes) re-intrduce the death penalty for touring caravan owners. shoot all the blind car drivers that have nearly killed you, and finally publicly flog Blair and his minions (on ebay) rant over! ;)

[Rogue Monkey]

Count me in!

[Yoda]

And me

are we the 'Judean peoples front'
or
the'Peoples front of Judea'

Yoda

[Shudy]

What's a ban and why would a fox want to hunt one?

[krammer]

And me

are we the 'Judean peoples front'
or
the'Peoples front of Judea'

Yoda nah, how about the popular front for the liberation of bikers. bikers republican army? bra.......hmmmmmmmm dont sound too good does it? right i'm off up the shed to make some shields cunningly fashioned from dustbin lids. vive la revolution.

[Jim]

Hmm, its dark now, I'm off to lamp a few foxes, apparently thats still OK !

Might try and bag a couple of politicians while I'm at it.

[dodgyphil]

i'VE GOT ME SOWETO NECKTIES (PETROL FILLED TYRES READY,ASK WINNIE MANDELA!!) READY,COME ON! GATSOS AND POLITICIANS FIRST!!
WHAT'S THAT TONY DON'T DO AS I DO,DO AS I SAY YEAH RIGHT!!

[Mrs Reject]

And me

are we the 'Judean peoples front'
or
the'Peoples front of Judea'

Yoda

Splitters
:D

[Jim]

Get off me Juniper bushes !

[Bosun]

was it just me, or why when this such a big issue only about 12 octogenarians in the commons anyway

[Grav]

'Peoples front of Judea'



Been there, done that. Aint we Mitch. :D

[BlackPig]

Been there, done that. Aint we Mitch. :D



Tsk, Tsk !!! There's always one ,ain't there ? :rolleyes:

[Maggie B]

I liked the fat hooray henry with a little blood on her head saying


"that policeman just pushed me-I am an unstanding member of society"

well apart from attacking the police in a riot you are Darlin'

[Rogue Monkey]

Splitters
:D
Hahahah! :D

[Mitch]

Been there, done that. Aint we Mitch. :D

Yeshhhhhh!!!!

[Mitch]

Tsk, Tsk !!! There's always one ,ain't there ? :rolleyes:
Nah, there's two!! :D

[BlackPig]

Nah, there's two!! :D

And that makes it better,does it ???? :eek: :D :D

[Santa]

was it just me, or why when this such a big issue only about 12 octogenarians in the commons anyway

Yeah! It was heartwarming to see that when an issue which obviously engenders vast amounts of strong emotions from both sides of the arguement nationwide was being debated by our paid representatives of democracy that so many of them were present to put the views of their constituents :mad:

[Grav]

And that makes it better,does it ???? :eek: :D :D

How could we possibly make it worse??

Jehova, Jehova!! :D

[100%Pat]

As torn as me over this situation?
I am an ex farmers wife twenty odd years of living in the countryside, I know all the reasons why they are so againt banning the hunting, I know all the jobs that will be lost and the knock on effects it will have, and do feel for all those involved. I also think that its another part of British culture and tradition that is going to be lost forever .......BUT i still hate hunting, I still want it to end, and I still think that they should just be culled humanely when its neccesary only.
So I agree completely with both sides.... :confused:

[Gypsy]

lmao i dont beleive this.... become lord or lady ruffian for £10 each..

http://www.edirectory.co.uk/pf/pages/moreinfoa.asp?recordid=1544029&cid=880&afid=8809

[DANNY]

As torn as me over this situation?
I am an ex farmers wife twenty odd years of living in the countryside, I know all the reasons why they are so againt banning the hunting, I know all the jobs that will be lost and the knock on effects it will have, and do feel for all those involved. I also think that its another part of British culture and tradition that is going to be lost forever .......BUT i still hate hunting, I still want it to end, and I still think that they should just be culled humanely when its neccesary only.
So I agree completely with both sides.... :confused:
is that fence comfy Pat. runs for door. lol.

[100%Pat]

Danny. I genuinely dont know what to think about this as I can see both sides, although I hate the thought of the foxes being torn to peices, I also hate the thought of all the specially bred horses that will have to die, plus the hounds that will be put down, all the old associated trades that could fade away through lack of need, or less money like farriers, saddlemakers, the few blacksmiths we have left etc there really is a knock on effect, feed manufacturers, haulage firms who deliver feed, clothing companies who make hunting clothes, the list is longer than you think, yes these companies probably have other ways of earning income but will it pay enough for them to survive? It is also a part of our heritage thats going too... you may not like it, but we are losing so much of our cultural heritage , how much more will go before there is none left at all....
Having said all that I still hate the thought of hunting foxes...

[Gypsy]

they should do that sport where some scent is trailed behind a horse... basicaly the same thing just not chasing a fox,, they could make a REAL sport out of it, then none of the other trades would be affected, its not like killing the fox itself i profitable

[krammer]

the reason these people hunt foxes is because they get their jollies seeing an animal run to exhaustion and then torn to pieces. while there is no doubt the fox can be a pest there has got to be a more humane way of controlling their numbers. if it was a working class 'sport' it would have been banned years ago.

[100%Pat]

what about hare coursing... thats a 'working class' sport and its just as cruel...

[krammer]

thats also being banned under the new law.

[DANNY]

I was only jokeing Pat i dont know which way to jump either. Its a tough one.

[Rogue Monkey]

lmao i dont beleive this.... become lord or lady ruffian for £10 each..

http://www.edirectory.co.uk/pf/pages/moreinfoa.asp?recordid=1544029&cid=880&afid=8809
AVE IT! LORD ROGUE MONKEY! :eek: wheres me credit card! :D

[Rogue Monkey]

Just a point but.....Every country in the worls has "cruel" sports, tradditions etc! lets face it! Most of us eat meat! its natural! Foxes dont worry about chickens rights when they get in the coop and if they get caught by some dogs they know the outcome! its a cruel world but its the only one we have!

The real question is do we vote to abandon an anchient british tradition to please the politicalyy correct squad or do we fight to uphold our own culture?

No one appears to be trying to ban HALAL slaughter houses and they dont follow the normal laws on the "humane" killing of animals! pesonaly I wouldnt join a hunt even though I enjoy riding horses but.....I dont think I have the right to stop someone else, as I believe their rights and beliefs are just as important as mine!

Its our culture, lets not dimember it anymore than it already has been! :confused:

[Nitrowing]

Ummm, I don't give a 5hit about foxes. I also don't care if some clique want to chase after and kill them.
I do care about what is happening to this country and all this PC is killing our rights to do what we want when we want. While certain minorities burn our flag.

[mr.chaz]

I was only jokeing Pat i dont know which way to jump either. Its a tough one.

Okay , I'll help you along a bit.....
Takeing aside the fact that this is a way of life for many people and goes back hundreds of years , and that generations of families are often employed in this line of work . And that there is a knock on effect on dog breeders , horse breeders ( me dear old Ma' breeds horses) , farm food suppliers and the like... ( pauses for breath)

Apart from that old arguement , then I also argue that you cannot (and should not) f*ck about with people's livelihoods. What should all these country folk do? Retrain to be f*cking plumbers , or even work in a call centre ( oops , sorry they all got moved to India - cheers! HSBC!). Everyone has the right to earn a living , everyone should be able to earn a living in the trade they trained for and chose and everyone should be able to earn a living doing a job local for them. Why the f*ck should you sit in the rushour queue each morning , inching along a mile every hour heading towards the town centre , like every other brainless muppet ( my apologies to Jim Henson!)
No , no , no , no stop f*cking with people's livelihoods and destroying everything that people have worked for over 100's of years. E.G -Where's our mining communiites gone ? to s*it that's where!!

Next year , our beloved government faze in the 10mph speed limit on Windermere. This movement has been fought by a pressure group for the last couple of years. , to no avail. Windermere is a public byway and they can do what they want - if you want to appeal against it , the only way to do it , is appeal once this has actually come into force. Now if you remember , watersports was allowed on all the Lakes at one time , but governments of yesteryear fazed in powered craft bans over the years , promising to keep Windermere as the only lake where powered craft are really allowed. As lakeside properties have become more and more popular as retreats for Southern Yuppies and the Well Connected , who like nothing more than peace and quiet and walking up hillsides with silly cordurouy trousers on. - then so has their complaints to Parliament about the excessive noise and wash created by powered craft in the area. Oh dear me , we can't have that spoiling our friends holiday homes and investments now can we???
And so... the exodus of craft have started , with many boaters trying miserably to sell their craft. The dealers on the side of the lake have huge investments in property , stock , facilities and local skilled people- what'll happen to all that then? Probabaly just rent their premises out to another bastard Wooley Jumper Shop eh?
Again... a way of life , thoughtlessly destroyed by our fuggin government and a bunch of bleeding hearts.
Bleeding hearts -that headlines read in the Mirror today - " Now you now how the Foxes feel!" with a picture of protesters with beaten and bloody faces.
Well excuse fuggin me! Let's get all teary eyed about Foxes , whilst our government is out there slaughtering people in Iraq and sending our troops home in bodybags.
You sick f*cks! Get your priorities right and in perspective. Mr.Blairs out to appease people and gain votes - nothing more. He doesn't give a f*ck about Foxes.
and whilst we're at it... let's ban keeping Rabbits in hutches and Goldfish in bowls and mice /hamsters/gerbils in those little wheels that go round and round -cos in my opinion , that's bloody well cruel. Animals should be free to roam , mother nature takes it's natural course of selection , whether it lives or dies by a predator , a huntsman , a poacher or an evil little bratt with a sharp pointy stick!
If you have the balls to stand up to authority for what you believe in , then you get my bloody vote!
Long live the revolution!

[Jay]

This arguement for hunting seems to be based on a fair bit of bull-****e.

Only in Britain could 1000's of jobs, dogs, horses and probably £1m's being spent. depend on chasing and killing a tiny number of foxes each year.

It's a culling thing - Slightly lavish approach I think, all that expense and effort in place of a single gun cartridge.

You're a hypocrite because you eat meat - Yeah, I eat meat and the animals are slaughtered - for food - to help people live i.e a fairly decent reason to do it.

It's a tradition - Oh, excuse me that’s obviously makes it all right then.

It's a quick Death - not always the case and only after running terrorised for ages.

All the horses & hounds will have to die - Who bread them? keep them as pets because Unless you make a profit by using your dogs to hunt, you are paying out to keep them anyway. Ah but of course now they aren't any use to you!

People will lose jobs - Um I doubt that is as big a problem as you might think, most people ride horses anyway and not just for hunting foxes. Ergo you will still need the right clobber to do that.

So it all boils down to, the fact that they like chasing the creature and killing it for the crack - why can't they just be honest!

I'm not against hunting, it just isn't for me!

[Captain Smurf]

I've always believed that if you have a strong case, you only need to argue one or two main points. If you have a weak case, you have to bolster it with loads of minor points.

And talking of minors (sic) - the miners had to re-train when their ancient industry was decimated - same with the fishing industry and many others.

If the specialists who earn a living supporting this rather dubious practise are professional and keen to carry on their ancient crafts, I'm sure they will find a way - and will probably have greater success than the aforementioned miners, etc.

And for Pat 'What did the Romans ever do for us" :p

[defarter]

And for Pat 'What did the Romans ever do for us" :p[/QUOTE]

Built roads mate which where followed by "Road Tax" :D ;)

[Friar Tuck]

Erm! Any one fancy a cuppa?

[Rogue Monkey]

Coffee wi milk, one sweetner please :D

[Gypsy]

AVE IT! LORD ROGUE MONKEY! :eek: wheres me credit card! :Dtooo right matey lord gypo here we come :D

[Maggie B]

Yep

where were all these people when the Miners, and the Steel workers were getting their livelihoods decimated by the Thatcher years?

horses-can still be ridden, away from Hunting. Why not create another pastime that they can all congregate at in their smashing little red jackets.-Drag Hunts for example
An example of this is probably the Highland games-a tradition kept alive-used to be a show of clanship and force to neibouring clans, full highland dress keeps the dagger business, tweed, sporran, frilly shirt, kilt makers alive & well don't they
Its not the governments fault these hunters refuse or can't see past the ban

Landowners have already demonstrated they have business sense why the emergence of breeding pheasants and grouse in copses and land to blast out of the sky in August by townies willing to pay £25,000+ per day at the latest executive day out.

hounds-are shot on a regular basis anyway-rarely live past 3, and the ones that do not run to the pack are shot too

they are being given 2 years to run this down, so most hounds are, in their eyes, past their sell by date.

the knock on effects are sad, but don't forget the farms running these hounds and horses etc already get a massive handout from the EEC


I believe miners & steel workers didn;t get much help retraining and adjusting.

[mr.chaz]

Okay then Mags...let's spin this around a little.

We've heard the arguements that people will just have to adjust,blah , blah , blah.

Now what I want to know , is what will this ban achieve?
Who's life will be better from it? Surely not the little foxes , as it is imperitive that they are culled one way or another. Then again , maybe we could help relocate them to the city and retrain them.

No seriously... I want to hear the other flip side... what will it achieve? I'm interested to know....

[BlackPig]

Hang on a minute here !!

These hunt people,what I remember of them, were Lord of the manor,rich farmer/land owner,hoi poloi types, no? Well they were down my way !!

Aren't these the same people who drive volvo,bmw,mercedes benz,etc,etc,cars ? The same ones who drive like cnuts and try to kill us in normal everyday life ? The same ones who cause the speedtraps and radars to exist,but don't have to worry about them because "daddy has freinds"?
The same ones involved (involvoed ?) in a large part of motorcycle RTA's?

These self same individuals,who trample over other peoples land without a"by your leave" or thank you,but if you pitch a tent in their feild for the night your woken up in the mornin' to shouts of "Get orf moi land !!" made by somebody brandishing a shotgun ?

I dare say that some of these hunting people are involved in the closing of green lanes to motor vehicles to? And to top that they talk of tradition,well BOLLOCKS to that !!!

If you were protesting about people acting like cnuts on the road ,it would be these people that you protest against !!
Who are the type of people who would listen to w/anchors like J.Clarckson , and put up cheese wires ?
Why help them ,when they **** on you ?

As for the foxes(poor buggers),I'm not for or against hunting,I just get might pissed off by Lord an' Lady Muck and this bullsh%% about traditon being used as an excuse !! :mad:

This may seem OTT but I've seen or had all the above problems,sympathy? It's after sh%t and suicide in the dictionary !!!

[Rogue Monkey]

This arguement for hunting seems to be based on a fair bit of bull-****e.

Only in Britain could 1000's of jobs, dogs, horses and probably £1m's being spent. depend on chasing and killing a tiny number of foxes each year.

It's a culling thing - Slightly lavish approach I think, all that expense and effort in place of a single gun cartridge.

You're a hypocrite because you eat meat - Yeah, I eat meat and the animals are slaughtered - for food - to help people live i.e a fairly decent reason to do it.

It's a tradition - Oh, excuse me that’s obviously makes it all right then.


I'm not against hunting, it just isn't for me!

Jay, you brought out some fair points, but the idea that a single cartridge will instantly kill an animal is unfortunatly in error. Many animals hunted by guns end up wounded and not killed outright! Many slope off into the woods and die in excrutiating pain over a course of days not minits! Im not saying either is right. The fact that a wild animal dies by the hand? (or teeth) of its natural preditor is not really a matter of moral debate. Whether its right for humans to set up the circumstances in which this scenario can occur can be argued about, but its a very tenuois argument at best. I know it looks barbaric but the facts are ! We live in a dog eat dog world! (no pun intended) lets face it, most of the arguments against hunting come from people who dont have the means to join a hunt. I`ll be honest and say it does sound a bit like sour grapes. I havent heard anyone voting to ban fishing! I havent heard anyone call it barbaric or run people down for participating in it! Maybe because its a "sport" open to all classes? I dont know! I do know its a British tradition and I see our culture and traditions slagged off and demeand everyday! Personaly I wouldnt do it but then i wouldnt go fishing either! There is no moral high ground on either side of this debate. It comes down to subjective opinion. I think w should allow those who wish to carry on the tradition to do so. On the other hand, should we ban POLO next? Tennis? F1 grand Prix? just cos they can and we cant? The people who`s livelyhoods depend on this should have the final say, the people who live in the country, not a load of rich city politicians playing at being "for the people" when the truth is, as allways, they are for themselves! FUCK THEM! and FUCK BRUSSELS Give us our rights and country back. Erm......thats wot i fink! :o

[mr.chaz]

Hang on a minute here !!

These hunt people,what I remember of them, were Lord of the manor,rich farmer/land owner,hoi poloi types, no? Well they were down my way !!

Aren't these the same people who drive volvo,bmw,mercedes benz,etc,etc,cars ? The same ones who drive like cnuts and try to kill us in normal everyday life ? The same ones who cause the speedtraps and radars to exist,but don't have to worry about them because "daddy has freinds"?
The same ones involved (involvoed ?) in a large part of motorcycle RTA's?

These self same individuals,who trample over other peoples land without a"by your leave" or thank you,but if you pitch a tent in their feild for the night your woken up in the mornin' to shouts of "Get orf moi land !!" made by somebody brandishing a shotgun ?

I dare say that some of these hunting people are involved in the closing of green lanes to motor vehicles to? And to top that they talk of tradition,well BOLLOCKS to that !!!

If you were protesting about people acting like cnuts on the road ,it would be these people that you protest against !!
Who are the type of people who would listen to w/anchors like J.Clarckson , and put up cheese wires ?
Why help them ,when they **** on you ?

As for the foxes(poor buggers),I'm not for or against hunting,I just get might pissed off by Lord an' Lady Muck and this bullsh%% about traditon being used as an excuse !! :mad:

This may seem OTT but I've seen or had all the above problems,sympathy? It's after sh%t and suicide in the dictionary !!!

what the f*ck....?

[BlackPig]

Okay then Mags...let's spin this around a little.

We've heard the arguements that people will just have to adjust,blah , blah , blah.

Now what I want to know , is what will this ban achieve?
Who's life will be better from it? Surely not the little foxes , as it is imperitive that they are culled one way or another. Then again , maybe we could help relocate them to the city and retrain them.

No seriously... I want to hear the other flip side... what will it achieve? I'm interested to know....


Following on from b4,

Why is it that everybody who is against hunting needs to come up with 15,000 reasons ? When the hunters use just 2,maybe I'm short sighted here, but it's the same old,same old.........

MrChaz, (Sir,Lord, ? ), foxes live in towns and cities already and have adapted very well ,thank you very much .Maybe the "hunt" should go to town,wouldn't that be more fun,could start a new tradition ?

Whose life would be better ,now there's a question............................

[mr.chaz]

Jay, you brought out some fair points, but the idea that a single cartridge will instantly kill an animal is unfortunatly in error. Many animals hunted by guns end up wounded and not killed outright! Many slope off into the woods and die in excrutiating pain over a course of days not minits! Im not saying either is right. The fact that a wild animal dies by the hand? (or teeth) of its natural preditor is not really a matter of moral debate. Whether its right for humans to set up the circumstances in which this scenario can occur can be argued about, but its a very tenuois argument at best. I know it looks barbaric but the facts are ! We live in a dog eat dog world! (no pun intended) lets face it, most of the arguments against hunting come from people who dont have the means to join a hunt. I`ll be honest and say it does sound a bit like sour grapes. I havent heard anyone voting to ban fishing! I havent heard anyone call it barbaric or run people down for participating in it! Maybe because its a "sport" open to all classes? I dont know! I do know its a British tradition and I see our culture and traditions slagged off and demeand everyday! Personaly I wouldnt do it but then i wouldnt go fishing either! There is no moral high ground on either side of this debate. It comes down to subjective opinion. I think w should allow those who wish to carry on the tradition to do so. On the other hand, should we ban POLO next? Tennis? F1 grand Prix? just cos they can and we cant? The people who`s livelyhoods depend on this should have the final say, the people who live in the country, not a load of rich city politicians playing at being "for the people" when the truth is, as allways, they are for themselves! FUCK THEM! and FUCK BRUSSELS Give us our rights and country back. Erm......thats wot i fink! :o

Correctamundo!
Try telling the Spanish they have to ban bullfighting and see what happens eh?
The truth is , we are getting so used to being told what we should and shouldn't do , and we all just roll over and "take it up the a*rse".
It is refreshing when someone stands up for their beliefs in this country.

[BlackPig]

what the f*ck....?


Explain??????

[mr.chaz]

Following on from b4,

Why is it that everybody who is against hunting needs to come up with 15,000 reasons ? When the hunters use just 2,maybe I'm short sighted here, but it's the same old,same old.........

MrChaz, (Sir,Lord, ? ), foxes live in towns and cities already and have adapted very well ,thank you very much .Maybe the "hunt" should go to town,wouldn't that be more fun,could start a new tradition ?

Whose life would be better ,now there's a question............................

Full title is Lord Chazington Fartwell the Third.
I am actually interested in hearing what this will achieve , as I haven't heard a single reason why that makes sense. and I really want someone to explain it to me....

[mr.chaz]

Explain??????

So these people deserve it - cos of the type of car they drive etc...uhhh?
So by your reasoning - if we actually ban the "people" that hunt , our roads will be safer , green lane access will be reopened and Jeremy Clarkson will disolve into a parallel universe.

You lost me mate......

[BlackPig]

Full title is Lord Chazington Fartwell the Third.
I am actually interested in hearing what this will achieve , as I haven't heard a single reason why that makes sense. and I really want someone to explain it to me....

That's fine by me, but as for suppoting the snotty tossers,yoiks tally ho brigade............................No, I don't think so !!!

[BlackPig]

So these people deserve it - cos of the type of car they drive etc...uhhh?
So by your reasoning - if we actually ban the "people" that hunt , our roads will be safer , green lane access will be reopened and Jeremy Clarkson will disolve into a parallel universe.

You lost me mate......


OK ,I'll make it simple......

Why show them support , when they would sooner S%%t on you than look at you ?

[mr.chaz]

OK ,I'll make it simple......

Why show them support , when they would sooner S%%t on you than look at you ?

Well , you've obviously had some bad personal experiences with folk down your way. I live in the country , don't have bugger all to do with hunting , but respect other people's ways of life. As I hope that other people would also respect my way of life and support me when the day comes that someone tries to ban motorcycling or restrict license holders.

But today's challenge folks still stands......

I want to be educated about what this ban would achieve....

[BlackPig]

Well , I live in the country , don't have bugger all to do with hunting , but respect other people's ways of life. As I hope that other people would also respect my way of life

Me to m8 , the problem is they don't.

Must get some work done ,catch ya later.

Have a nice day!!!!!

[Rogue Monkey]

Well , you've obviously had some bad personal experiences with folk down your way. I live in the country , don't have bugger all to do with hunting , but respect other people's ways of life. As I hope that other people would also respect my way of life and support me when the day comes that someone tries to ban motorcycling or restrict license holders.

But today's challenge folks still stands......

I want to be educated about what this ban would achieve....
Couldnt a put it better meself! :) Wot would this ban achieve...for the good of this country? respect! :)

[BlackPig]

Just a small sideline if you will?

Why are there no more wolves,bears or wild boars left in the U.K.?

Where was the uprising when the "traditional" fishing industry was sold down the tubes ?

However, overthrowing the "gouvernement" is always a good plan,bot remember ,the majority voted for them ,TWICE !!!

[Rogue Monkey]

Just a small sideline if you will?

Why are there no more wolves,bears or wild boars left in the U.K.?

Where was the uprising when the "traditional" fishing industry was sold down the tubes ?

However, overthrowing the "gouvernement" is always a good plan,bot remember ,the majority voted for them ,TWICE !!!
You can fool all the people some of the time! ;) :)

[Abb]

I want to be educated about what this ban would achieve.... It will achieve a further errosion of the British and Countryside way of life. it will further the aims of the leftist politicians who hate the fact that people in the country have a better quality of life than they or their constituents do. It will degrade village life to a degree where they can edge people into the overcrouded cities to make way for redevelopment of the country to house even more scrounging foreigners.

Banning hunting with hounds will do nothing good for the country, but will partially sate the egos of Communist Scum sat in Westminster - most of whom have never lived in the country or don't understand the country way of life.

Abb
Town Dweller who aspires to a country way of life.

[defarter]

Way i see it is this, This is a small group of people who are having there rights taken away, if yer want to hunt fine, if yer don't want to hunt thats also fine, But if the so called leaders of this F*cking Country of ours keep taking a little bit of yer rights from here and a nother little bit from there, one day yer gonna wake up and have no f*cking rights at all. All they are after is votes and they don't give a f*ck about you or me. Remember Tony & Glenda at the Alley Palley what a load of f*cking sh*t that was. :mad:


I will now put the soap box back in the shed till next year. :D

[Rogue Monkey]

Me too!.... Away with you uncouth box! to the shed you are banished! ;) :)

[100%Pat]

reading through these different points of view very carefully has helped me to think over what I really feel about this,
And although I still really hate the idea of tearing a fox to peices with dogs, I do feel countryside alliance have my support. For the following reasons..
The knock on problems it would cause is far wider reaching than most folks will ever realise, and no the people who'll suffer most are not the 'toffs' they have money to continue and do as they please, its all the 'little ' folk who work for them who will suffer and in a lot of cases could even lose their homes (tied cottages) i'm not talking outa my arse, i've lived that life for over 20 years (Oh and by the way in a massive amount of cases the days of rich farmers is long gone!) talk to most small farmers and you'd see a very different side of things.
Our culture is being eroded day in day out, this is just another nail in its coffin, it may well be culture, tradition that you do not agree with, but who gives us the right to take it away... this country is a nanny state enough already... we should all be supporting folks right of living the way they choose. Its all a mixture of culture and freedoms in my head and I cant quite articulate it at the moment.

[defarter]

[QUOTE=Rogue Monkey]Me too!.... Away with you uncouth box! to the shed you are banished!

We are doing all this shouting here, but nobody outside of this Forum is taking a blind bit of NOTICE :D ;)


sorry just my simple mind. :confused:

[Rogue Monkey]

Come back here...BOX....I am not finished with thee yet! :D
I dont think it matters mate! :) So long as we stay true to our beliefs and stand by one another! :o

[defarter]

[QUOTE=Rogue Monkey]Come back here...BOX....I am not finished with thee yet! :D

oooOOHOOooo Sh*t. :eek: :eek: ;)

[Rogue Monkey]

:eek: :p :D

[krammer]

its all gone very quiet so i think i will crawl out of my FOXhole now. :D

[BlackPig]

its all gone very quiet so i think i will crawl out of my FOXhole now. :D


TTRRAAAAA,TTTRRRRAAAAA,TTTRRRRAAAAAAAA..........

WOOF,WOOF,snarl ,yelp, snap.................


:D :D :D

[krammer]

fuck me! back to the hole :D