What if.............

[andy_k]

you wanted to start your own club.

Do you need to seek permission from the local HA/SS/NCC depending on your area or can you just do it ?

Or, is it better to be free ?

[baldyshinehead]

personaly free is good.
think i would check locally first, dont want to upset the wrong people :eek:

[scouselee]

I agree, Free & neutral always the best policy, get the best of all worlds then :)

[andy_k]

Aye, this is what I was thinking, but a mate was on about starting a club, me - I can't be arsed with it................binned me last club cause the rules stood for one and not the other...................

[baldyshinehead]

it looks alike like hard work starting a club, and then keeping it going. we have had a couple started here but they never last long, seems to be the same people each time though with a new name.

[Taff]

Doing so may avoid any problems arising later on.
If you're thinking of wearing MC or anything on your back, you will attract attention.
An MCC rally type club is often left to it.
To not mention it at all to the local patch could be interpreted as a snub to them.
Depends who it is i guess.
There's a hell of a lot of clubs to suit all tastes already, why not join one and save the hassle?

[andy_k]

Hmmm, I know what rallies I want to do, see enough of them advertised in the mag, and you get flyers for some at rallies anyhow, plus I order me tickets on the net, so, I think I'll tell him to go for it (or am I being a kant?)

[baldyshinehead]

the latest here is a MAPC, motorcycle and party club. but they have the backing of the local MC.

[andy_k]

Doing so may avoid any problems arising later on.
If you're thinking of wearing MC or anything on your back, you will attract attention.
An MCC rally type club is often left to it.
To not mention it at all to the local patch could be interpreted as a snub to them.
Depends who it is i guess.
There's a hell of a lot of clubs to suit all tastes already, why not join one and save the hassle?

Was in the local one and they have a backpatch (mcc), but when only one member wears the patch (me) and you get grief for not attending 2 monthly meetings (rule 2 - unless its cause of work - me) and 2 other members get no grief for not having a bike (rule 1), makes you wonder if its worth it ?

[SatinBlack]

Have never bothered with clubs myself but around here they start up just as a few mates getting together usually with a stupid sounding name and small patch and no hierarchy then someone decides their bored with that and want's a club with more structure to it (usually cause they want to be the prez!) so they set up something a bit more organised then they all start falling out over all sorts of stupid politics and it falls apart then a few months later it all starts over again, yawn... stupid thing is most of them never seem to have a bike on the road anyway but hey, they don't half look the part:rolleyes:

[Taff]

You don't wanna do it.
So don't.
Sticks out a mile, you said you can't be arsed already.
It only gets worse.
Just be a biker.
Let your mate ride his little ego trip.

When you've been to see three local patch clubs, and they ALL say, yeah okay, come down the clubhouse on our open night for a drink.
And they're all on the same night.
And its also the farmyard party.
You'll wish you was just sat in a field with your mates.

[andy_k]

True, and I wouldn't miss the farmyard for anybody.......................

[devon-tony]

this thread is very interesting, I camein here to ask almos exactly the same thing

theres a few guys that want to start a bike club, no patches etc, the only thing really is a T short wit a small logo and the name

Well I have said to them about just checking that the name etc doesnt annoy any one, or that theres no one important with that name already, and t check with the local club that they have no problems, byut they arent really interested in doing that

last night was the 3rd or 4th meeting, numbers are getting better, around 18 at the moment, but so far I am the ONLY person to have turned up on a bike!!!, not just at one meeting, but all of the damned times

I mentioned just before I left last night that maybe they should be called "phoenix car club" LOL

so thats sorted it for me really, I shall remain "clubless Tony" too much of a biker for one club, and not enough of a biker for the only other club for miles LOL

[PILRCGeff]

I tend to support the theres plenty to chose from already brigade.

Ive also never seen any point in being in an MCC, RC or similar and wearing a backpatch (Why deliberately wind up your local 1%ers?). Slightly different situations in different countries but here in UK its fairly clear and accepted that backpatches are the preserve of MCs.

If you want to be in a club decide what level of commitment you want to give and find one that matches. If you want to start one up, make sure everyone agrees what kind of club it is but if you dont trust them to stick together, whats the point? Dont have rules if you cant be arsed to stick to them or enforce them and dont go having "positions" if they mean nothing. People will just laugh at you. If you have a local MC, it is generally considered good form to contact them but if your just a small rally club they are unlikely to be very interested unless you start putting on big rallies.

[Taff]

Well I have said to them about just checking that the name etc doesnt annoy any one, or that theres no one important with that name already, and t check with the local club that they have no problems, byut they arent really interested in doing that


It'll end in tears....

[Worjorj]

I've been in a few mcc's in my time in different parts of the country and each time I've left the club before I've left the area, all for one or more of the following reasons; all of them, to me at least, seemed unnecessary and avoidable.
Internal politics: Always from either a prez-in-waiting, or a pedantic twat.
Overstretching: Too many charities or causes to donate the clubs' hard earned monies too, while struggling to put on their own rally.
Full of wannabes: Too many members who can't follow rule 1. I'd rather talk to a bunch of keen learners who will go out in all weathers to practice the art, than a bunch of dressed up "bikers" who are thinking about getting a kwakazuki 185 as soon as they sell their Peugot 105 with a lovely furry dashboard and speakers the size of bin lids.

Nah, my wife (ladymonster) and I have formed our own rally club TINARSE. The books are full with both of us.
All internal politics end with "Yes dear".
Charity begins (and ends) at home.
All members have bikes and go to rallies with 100% club turnout.

See yez aalll at the Farmyard like.

[Jay]

I am not nor have been in a 'Club' but I have seen plenty of mates fall out over trying to set them up.

I would guess that a serious club structure is extremely difficult to maintain unless there is a common bond, commitment and some deep rooted respect.

A party or rally type club structure, where a bunch mates continue to hang out and even give themselves a club name, primarily survives because the structure is low-key and easy for people keep with.

It's like anything else in life, when you choose to circulate among a particular group, you ought to make yourself aware of the etiquette that goes on within it.

[Jonnyfp]

I was in a rally/bike club that never went anywhere, so i left.

*slam*

:o

[Jay]

I was in a rally/bike club that never went anywhere, so i left.

*slam*

:oYou can join my club jonny, all you have to do is be me :D

[Jonnyfp]

You can join my club jonny, all you have to do is be me :D



just one question before i sign up?

does your bike work now?

[Abb]

I'm not in a club.

[Jay]

just one question before i sign up?

does your bike work now?Yes AND no - Dead battery but I have borrowed one from me mate in exchange for re-wiring his bike :D

[Jonnyfp]

I'm not in a club.

:D ................

No Jay its ok mate, i'll just go and ermmm...

[Jay]

:D ................

No Jay its ok mate, i'll just go and ermmm...
Brummies :rolleyes:

[Spike]

I was in a rally/bike club that never went anywhere, so i left.

*slam*

:o

Thats only because ya got lost !! :D

[Jonnyfp]

Thats only because ya got lost !! :D


Brummies :rolleyes:

[Spike]

Bloody useless, the lot of 'em :p

[Jonnyfp]

Bloody useless, the lot of 'em :p

You want me you homo.

[Spike]

Only for my axe throwing pratice ;) My last target split ;) :D

[Jonnyfp]

Only for my axe throwing pratice ;) My last target split ;) :D



Wont wash, and i'll tell ya this for nowt, theres no way your introducing the ferret to my marmite motorway!!

[Spike]

and you sounded soooo keen at the weekend as well ;)

[Jonnyfp]

and you sounded soooo keen at the weekend as well ;)



Thats cos you put rehipnol in me brew 11..

[Spike]

Damn, wrong glass...... :rolleyes:

[critch]

my lot are spread all over the country we dont have meetings just parties :D

only rules in my club:-
no nonces
no needle users
no backstabbing
;)
worked well for the last eleven years some of our lot are the only ones for miles some have lots of fellow members nearby...

more a family than a club.........

[Spike]

my lot are spread all over the country we dont have meetings just parties :D

only rules in my club:-
no nonces
no needle users
no backstabbing

So who stiches ya patches on ya leathers then ?? :confused: ;)

[critch]

glue 'em...... :D

[Juke]

glue 'em...... :D



:eek: ......would never do in my day!

[critch]

"the times they are a'changing'" :D

[Juke]

that they are mate.............. :rolleyes:

I spent years (literaly) trying to make my mark, but gave up. I did get to where I wanted to be, but when I had got the patch, the polotics, the rules, the puffed-out chests and basic bollox of club was just not worth the sacrifices I had made. I would never have openly earned the respect I deserved. I would'ved ended up in a box first.
Now I go where I want, when I want, with who I want and wearing what I want............
I still stand by my beliefs to the end, but club aint for me anymore. Mainly coz I am the wrong sex, and no bloke will stand by me for the risk of looking like a pussy in the eyes of the 'guvners'........

If I WAS gonna start a club, I would just do it and face the consequences afterwards. After all, if you aint gonna stand up for what you believe in, then it aint worth it anyway is it? But that is just me...........

Taff is right, if you dont 'ask permission' it will all end in tears..... :(
I just have a problem with authority............ :rolleyes:

[critch]

know plenty of female bikers who can ride rings around most blokes.... ;)

id say the most talented biker ive met was female in fact....

[Mad Dog]

that they are mate............

I spent years (literaly) trying to make my mark, but gave up. I did get to where I wanted to be, but when I had got the patch, the polotics, the rules, the puffed-out chests and basic bollox of club was just not worth the sacrifices I had made. I would never have openly earned the respect I deserved. I would'ved ended up in a box first.
Now I go where I want, when I want, with who I want and wearing what I want............
I still stand by my beliefs to the end, but club aint for me anymore. Mainly coz I am the wrong sex, and no bloke will stand by me for the risk of looking like a pussy in the eyes of the 'guvners'........

If I WAS gonna start a club, I would just do it and face the consequences afterwards. After all, if you aint gonna stand up for what you believe in, then it aint worth it anyway is it? But that is just me...........

Taff is right, if you dont 'ask permission' it will all end in tears..... :(
I just have a problem with authority.........


Ah, THAT conversation :eek:
I remember it well :D

[Juke]

really MD?......... :eek:
We must continue it one day...........

Next froum party eh??...................... :D

[Mad Dog]

really MD?......... :eek:
We must continue it one day...........

Next froum party eh??...................... :D


Got to get my ears straightened out first :D

[Juke]

dont start.......... :mad:

[minxy]

Gets my back up this one.

I feel strongly that backpatch (with notable exceptions) should be a men only area. But this is old ground and I'm not in the mood for a ruck today :p

I wont even start on the respect thing.

[Mad Dog]

Luvverly Laydeezzzz. :p

[thor66]

Gets my back up this one.

I feel strongly that backpatch (with notable exceptions) should be a men only area. But this is old ground and I'm not in the mood for a ruck today :p

I wont even start on the respect thing.

whatever happened to stuff the ironing mc ? :cool:

[Mad Dog]

whatever happened to stuff the ironing mc ? :cool:


Pleated skirts

[thor66]

and ruffled blouses . :cool:

[Juke]

and thats just the frigging men!!!!!!! :mad:

[iomrob]

yes ask local MC, they have been known to go to people and say that they cant start a club with out their permission.
been in a backpatck MCC for 9 years now, we have 70 odd members, but we are weeding out the ones that dont come much , but we still have 60+ regulars. we have a chairman and a committy, but changes or rules { we dont have many} are voted on by the whole club at the meetings, if your not there to vote, well thats just to bad.
the main thing we say is , its your club , you will only get out of it what you put in.

[Taff]

whatever happened to stuff the ironing mc ? :cool:

They got all excited with themselves...
Bloody menopausal women... (http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/131/131187_guilty_the_scream_mask_murderess.html)

[Spike]

Bloody hell !! :eek:

[andy_k]

changes or rules { we dont have many} are voted on by the whole club at the meetings, if your not there to vote, well thats just to bad.


If only, whatever was suggested was distended by the chairman, it was his way or no way ...........

[Taff]

Thats a dictatorship, not a club.
If you all wear the same patch, you're all equal.
From the day you get it.

[Nik]

So when did all this having to ask a MC for permission to start up a bike club thing start then? Been hearing about this, especially around London, for a couple o' years now and it seems feckin' bizarre to me.

I thought bikng was all that freedom bollocks, so why do we have to ask anyone's permission to do owt?

:confused:

[Taff]

When rally clubs started wearing President and vice President and Prospect patches.
When i first joined an MCC, you went and you paid your money and you got your enamel badge.
Since then a lot try to appear as outlaw based as possible, and attract appropriate attention.

[andy_k]

The club I was in, has been on the go for over 15 years, has a backpatch, gets no hassle from the local SS MC for having one, I only dropped out cause I was pissed off with the fact that due to work I missed out on a couple of meetings and was told I had to prospect for 6 months (fook off - been there and done that). You ask why I was pissed off - one of the rules (only about 3 by the way) was you HAD to have a motorcycle and 2 members hadn't owned for about a year and nowt was said - fookin hypocrites - in my eyes anyway.

They are one of the few clubs who can wear a backpatch with no comebacks - yet they don't, now in my eyes, if you can have AND wear one, then do it (or am I talking bollocks), wear your patch with pride ?????? isn't that what its about, being proud of your club regardless of if you are - MC, MCC, RC, BC or whatever ?

[UKRobT309]

[QUOTE=Nik
I thought bikng was all that freedom bollocks, so why do we have to ask anyone's permission to do owt?

:confused:[/QUOTE]
Now that hits the nail on the head for me, nice one Nik. Ive said it before and i'll say it again, the same applies to what you wear, what you ride etc etc. Its about freedom so let the fucker be free.
Personally, i think theres a lot of people out there worried to do stuff on their own and need a uniform and a club for unity. Im not saying all people who join clubs etc are like that so dont start people just saying its harder to be individual than a sheep. Perhaps people should make more of an effort to be an individual, would be a lot less aggro over bugger all.
Right, best go now as its friday night and i aint had a single drop of alcohol. :D

[Sir Ewok]

I never asked the local HA if I could join the BSA Owners Club, does that mean I'm in for a kicking (or should I just foreclose the mortgage on the clubhouse)........... ;)

[Mustang Boy]

Being in Clubs is nowt but a nightmare.
Stay out of it and you can:
Do what you want, ride where ya want, when ya want and talk/socialise with who ya want....simple really innit??

Cheers all. :D

[Freak]

Being in Clubs is nowt but a nightmare.
Stay out of it and you can:
Do what you want, ride where ya want, when ya want and talk/socialise with who ya want....simple really innit??

I'm in a club... and I do all that. Our little badge says MCC and I don't pretend it's any more then it is. I'm just a paying punter at rallies out for Beer and a laugh.

[Blue]

I thought bikng was all that freedom bollocks, so why do we have to ask anyone's permission to do owt?

:confused:

I'll introduce you to a few people you can take that question up with. :D

[shaggy696969]

I used to do club , now I dont , lifes simpler , I can go wherever and with whomever I please. And I dont have to go anywhere .

[Spike]

I'll introduce you to a few people you can take that question up with. :D


Im sure he'll take up ya offer :D

[PILRCGeff]

At the end of the day you dont have to be in a club.

If you want to be an individual then be one.

If, on the other hand, you find a club and like their ethos etc, feel free to try and join. If they like you maybe they will let you in.

And if you and a bunch of mates want to start a club go right ahead. Clearly a lot of others have done so successfully in the past. Just be careful you dont tread on anyones toes. Dont try to run before you can walk.

[purplerabbit]

never been in a club

recent events have shown its the badge that you are wearing and not the person wearing it that is the issue - hence if one of your members is a lying tosspot - said club will stand by him regardless of the fact that 90% of its memebrs think he is a lying tosser

and there endeth my mild and very brief involvement with clubs

Samx

[Shifty]

never been in a club

recent events have shown its the badge that you are wearing and not the person wearing it that is the issue - hence if one of your members is a lying tosspot - said club will stand by him regardless of the fact that 90% of its memebrs think he is a lying tosser

and there endeth my mild and very brief involvement with clubs

Samx

If it's a decent club, and most members know that said lying tosser is just that, surely he/she should be booted out of the club for causing trouble and bringing the club's name down

[Diddyvans]

I wouldn't join a club that would have me as a member!!! :eek: :D

[Juke]

never been in a club

recent events have shown its the badge that you are wearing and not the person wearing it that is the issue - hence if one of your members is a lying tosspot - said club will stand by him regardless of the fact that 90% of its memebrs think he is a lying tosser

and there endeth my mild and very brief involvement with clubs

Samx

In my days of being in club, we upheld the rule that at all times in public you showed a united front. There was never a grey area in my opinion. Black and White all the way. The club 'rules' were plain enough, and if you couldn't keep to them, then 'fuck off!' If we ever had a prob with a member, we would stand united when out, and give them a slap behind closed doors.
They never fcuked up twice though................. :rolleyes:

But in the end, Shaggy and the others are right. Club aint for me any more. and you certainly find out who your friends are when you leave a club.

[Captain Smurf]

Being in Clubs is nowt but a nightmare.
Stay out of it and you can:
Do what you want, ride where ya want, when ya want and talk/socialise with who ya want....simple really innit??

Cheers all. :DBut, don't you want that warm, fluffy feeling you get when you're part of a congregation














ooops, wrong forum :D

[Blue]

Black and White all the way.


I didn't think the NCC or the SS had women members. I must be behind the times. :D

[Juke]

me attitude and loyalty never got me anywhere Blue, but i sure had **** loads of fun trying..... :D

[thor66]

I didn't think the NCC or the SS had women members. I must be behind the times. :D

not f@cking likely ! :cool:

[Alice]

at all times in public you showed a united front.

Agreed.
The club 'rules' were plain enough, and if you couldn't keep to them, then 'fuck off!'

Agreed.

If we ever had a prob with a member, we would stand united when out, and give them a slap behind closed doors.

Agreed.

Abb
Needs to log in.

[Blue]

not f@cking likely ! :cool:

Not fúcking likely that I’m behind the times???

[thor66]

that the ss have women members :cool:

[minxy]

Abb having an 'agreeable' day? Those were all fair points.

But surely it wasnt a great surprise to find that you didnt have as many friends when you walked away from the club though? For whatever reason. After all, at all times you show a united front and if a member has chosen to quit ............ ?

I always thought club membership was for life or near as?

[Blue]

that the ss have women members :cool:

Which I didn't actually say...

[Blue]

I always thought club membership was for life or near as?

Depends on the club and the person, doesn't it Minxy? If someone walks away then maybe they weren't right for that club. Too many people don't understand exactly what's involved and think it'll be a lark. :rolleyes:

[thor66]

Which I didn't actually say...

correcto mundo

[Blue]

The very idea! :D

[Juke]

Abb having an 'agreeable' day? Those were all fair points.

But surely it wasnt a great surprise to find that you didnt have as many friends when you walked away from the club though? For whatever reason. After all, at all times you show a united front and if a member has chosen to quit ............ ?

I always thought club membership was for life or near as?


Yeah so did I Minxy, but how can you respect a patch when the 'guvner' is skimming the pot of the members to line his own pockets????? The rest of the members know this, but choose to stay just coz they wanna wear a patch??????? I cant respect that kind of loyalty, and the so called 'mates' you think you have in club are only true mates if they stand by ya when you leave, and they know your reasons are justified.
I would've stood by my patch for the rest of my days quite happily, but not under the 'rule' of a lying, thieving, spineless little **** who thought he was something he wasn't.
I ran my area by the rules of the club. Seems we were the only area that did that, and eventually he drove us all out with his bollox.
Being threatened with a shooter by some little arse-licker who lived 70 miles away aint my idea of how members should be towards each other. Especially when he knew I was right, and the evidence was there.
But hey, the club still runs and respect to those who wear the patch with pride. Thats maybe coz 'the tosser' is no longer the main man................. :rolleyes:

[Taff]

No one man should be bigger than the club.
And what the club gives, the club can take away.
Including president patches.

[Juke]

MCC's don't have 'presidents' do they? That is an honour given only to MC's eh?
Are members of any club not entitled to see the club accounts at any time?
If a bike is purchased from club funds, (even if it is only the deposit), does that not make it club property?
Should a guy who calls himself 'The President' be telling lies to members about officers just to cover his own deceptions?


This is my experiences of a club I gave 100% to from day 1. No wonder I am bitter and twisted about club eh?

[Lyn]

Excuse me for being thick..........OK I know what the HA and SS are but waht is NCC...........

And for my bit I think theres nothing wrong with being in a club Or not being in a club WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT, I think it's all exciting and interesting, if you dont like it get out, maybe you should of thought a bit more before you joined............OK Im in a HRC Club and before anyone says anything it stands for happy riders club :) and that's what we are unless Im pre menstrual LOL...............
Thundercity HRC (www.tchrc.co.uk ) :D :)

[Lyn]

MCC's don't have 'presidents' do they? That is an honour given only to MC's eh?
Are members of any club not entitled to see the club accounts at any time?
If a bike is purchased from club funds, (even if it is only the deposit), does that not make it club property?
Should a guy who calls himself 'The President' be telling lies to members about officers just to cover his own deceptions?


This is my experiences of a club I gave 100% to from day 1. No wonder I am bitter and twisted about club eh?


We aren't an mcc we are HRC and we have a president etc............ :)

[shaggy696969]

[QUOTE=Juke]MCC's don't have 'presidents' do they? That is an honour given only to MC's eh? QUOTE]

Ive known lil mcc's to have the full fuckin hirearchy system , president , sgt at arms , runs and rallies sec , right down to fuckin foot soldiers. All fuckin bollox, never could understood what politics has to do with biking, my respect is earnt , not comanded , dont pull my chain , i wont pull yours etc , life is too short , ill drink with anyone that deserves my time .

Sh1t rolls down hill from the big clubs , normally not by their making but by the minnion clubs trying to look good . What they fail to realise is that it is easy to pick on mr and mrs 2.4 because they dont have the dedication and drives of the 1% bikers , so at the end of the day impresses nobody , just causes a lot of bad feelings for the big clubs which is resultant in dropping figures at shows etc .... so nobody wins .

[Blue]

Excuse me for being thick..........OK I know what the HA and SS are but waht is NCC...........
:)

Um, National Chopper Club - the club that has done more over the last thirty-one years to create a custom motorcycle scene in this country, that has members in most parts of this country and in Europe and has been responsible for some of the finest chops ever built. Can understand why they might have dipped under your radar... :rolleyes:

[Juke]

I will second that Blue................ :D

They seem to have the whole thing sussed eh?.............

[bad toad]

No one man should be bigger than the club.
And what the club gives, the club can take away.
Including president patches.
so sayeth the flock!!! had this **** before taff is right!! i,ve done the club ****e and dont want no more!!! :D

[Lyn]

Um, National Chopper Club - the club that has done more over the last thirty-one years to create a custom motorcycle scene in this country, that has members in most parts of this country and in Europe and has been responsible for some of the finest chops ever built. Can understand why they might have dipped under your radar... :rolleyes:

Oh well, I know now, thanks for educating me Blue :)