The Sh1t's Gonna Hit The Fan

[Freak]

It's been nearly three years since Mr 'Bike Builder' took 3k off me for a job he never completed although
he did manage to cut my bike into bits pretty sharpish (yes I know I'm a twat for handing the money
over but he came very highly recomended).
After a year of my bike being sat next to his workshop bench rusting, collecting dust and being showered
in swarf from drills, angle grinders and weld splatter I withdrew it.
When a refund was mentioned for incomplete work Mr 'Bike Builder' pleaded poverty leaving me seriously
out of pocket and with a dilemma on my hands.... because with 30 odd bikes in his workshop in various stages
of re-build, the last thing I wanted to do was bankrupt him and sh1te on fellow bikers. Chances are I would
have come away with nothing except a lot of angry owners of part built bikes.
Rightly or wrongly I agreed on letting him have a period of time to get his sh1t together and finances sorted.
Sometimes I'm too considerate for me own good.... cause that was 2 years ago.
I have however been writing for the past 6 months now asking him to resolve the money issue one way
or another without a single response.
He's seriously taking the piss.

I'm just starting to get rattled, very rattled.... and I don’t get rattled often.
.

[Abb]

Is he a limited company? If so pm me his details and I'll do a bit of digging for you.

[tease]

Look at it this way:
If you get your bike, take him to court, bankrupt him, others who have their gear there lose out yes, but he can't do it to anyone NEW

[Freak]

Is he a limited company? If so pm me his details and I'll do a bit of digging for you.

I'm pretty sure he isn't.. but thanks anyway

[Doro]

I know how you feel Freak - I'm still having trouble with the builder who was supposed to supply materials for our extension - 18 months this has being going on - in order to save me the problems associated with going to small claims etc I went to a debt collection agency - trouble is they are just as bad :mad:


my advice - go to the small claims court

shaun the fatman put this link up where you can do it 'online'

https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco/index.jsp

might be just enough to scare him into making payments of some sort

wish you luck tho

[Freak]

I know how you feel Freak - I'm still having trouble with the builder who was supposed to supply materials for our extension - 18 months this has being going on - in order to save me the problems associated with going to small claims etc I went to a debt collection agency - trouble is they are just as bad :mad:


my advice - go to the small claims court

shaun the fatman put this link up where you can do it 'online'

https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco/index.jsp

might be just enough to scare him into making payments of some sort

wish you luck tho

Cheers Doro
Am I still allowed to burn him

[Gypsy]

Cheers Doro
Am I still allowed to burn him
wait till you have all ya dosh first then burn the bastid :D

[Abb]

If you need debt collection agencies, I can supply you with one or two of those aswell.

As for bankrupting him, not sure how it works in personal bankruptcy, but if I go after the Directors of a company that has gone bust, and I have a case, I can declare them bankrupt. This effectively seizes their assets, gives me call on their pension rights and any inheritance they may receive within the next 14 years.

Abb
Professional cnut

[Gypsy]

we need a proper old school debt collectors if you know what i mean :D

[Abb]

we need a proper old school debt collectors if you know what i mean :D

Yes, I used to work for one.

[Doro]

If you need debt collection agencies, I can supply you with one or two of those aswell.

Abb
Professional cnut


do you know if they have to be registered with a professional body and if so who? Or do they have an ombudsman? I'm not sure if the FSA cover debt collectors - but I would like to know if I can report their shoddy services to someone who will give them a good hard smack - they were employed by a welsh HA to recover rent arrears but did such a poor job the HA lost even more money - if only I'd known that in January!

Doro - really sick of shoddy services and being ripped off :mad:

[Abb]

I'll check for you.

[Doro]

thanks :)

[Freak]

Look at it this way:
If you get your bike, take him to court, bankrupt him, others who have their gear there lose out yes, but he can't do it to anyone NEW

Tease, I've got my bike, I can take him to court and maybe bankrupt him but
it's the next bit I would seriously struggle with. How would you feel if
you owned one of those bikes or lost your deposit. I understand the reason
of 'He can't do it to anyone new' but (and it's a big but) I want to go to rallies
and parties without having to constantly look over my shoulder.

[Mitch]

Tease, I've got my bike, I can take him to court and maybe bankrupt him but
it's the next bit I would seriously struggle with. How would you feel if
you owned one of those bikes or lost your deposit. I understand the reason
of 'He can't do it to anyone new' but (and it's a big but) I want to go to rallies
and parties without having to constantly look over my shoulder.
What we need is some way of getting everyone who has got a bike there, meeting up and then hitting him at once! That way, he won't be able to offload folks' bikes.

[100%Pat]

If you take him to court and win, the baliffs can only go to his house, tools of his trade, are not allowed to be taken. Well thats what they tell us when we try to get money out of some of the lying shysters who take out ads with us and dont pay....

[excalibur]

If you take him to court and win, the baliffs can only go to his house, tools of his trade, are not allowed to be taken.

Is that right?

I had the council bailifs round my shop once saying if I didnt pay my rates up in full they were going to take stuff, even started listing stuff like my freezers, griddles etc

[100%Pat]

Its what our accounts dept were told. ?

[Gypsy]

thats right, tools of the trade can not be taken ... officially :D

[Abb]

If you take him to court and win, the baliffs can only go to his house, tools of his trade, are not allowed to be taken. Well thats what they tell us when we try to get money out of some of the lying shysters who take out ads with us and dont pay....

I think as a private individual (Sole Trader) all assets of the business are liable for seizure by HCEO's should a writ of FI Fa be issued. Saying that, if the guy declares himself bankrupt, you are screwed as the OR takes control of the assets.

Go for a CCJ, get it, then find a decent firm of solicitors - they can make an application to freeze his assets on the strength of the CCJ. Once his bank account is frozen, nothing can go in or out of it. Generally, the bank will pay you out of the account just to unfreeze it.

[Borg]

Name and Shame i say

Like I did with them BASTARDSS from Cwmbran called *****
now if I can find out who stole my tank that I bought to replace the one that was stolen in the first place I'd be even happier.


No need to delete the name PAT they don't exist as a 'charity club' any more.

[Doro]

I agree - name and shame - but as I said to MancCatz last week, we can't do it on this forum as it could get the magazine into legal troubles :(

[Borg]

I added a disclaimer to my post stating it was MY statement and had nothing to do with the Mag, but then posts here are nothing to do with the Mag anyway from what I gather. All comments are the intellectual property of the poster.


I can't see any difference between

Mr X is a top bloke who does a good job

and

Mr Y is a Wankeer who rips you off

there both recommendations :)

[critch]

All comments are the intellectual property of the poster.

itll be the only intellectual thing i do own :D

[100%Pat]

I still will not have folk named and shamed on this forum.
That way anyone with any kind of unsubstantiated grudge could post what they liked and blacken a good business name..
Not on this forum..!

[critch]

I still will not have folk named and shamed on this forum.
That way anyone with any kind of unsubstantiated grudge could post what they liked and blacken a good business name..
Not on this forum..!



mankind fmb wears womans knickers :D

[100%Pat]

Yes but thats not unsubstantiated... we all know thats true, he borrows them off you... :p

[Borg]

So we can't warn fellow Bikers/Trikers about being conned and ripped off but we can insult any and all nationalities races and religions with impunity then ?

Seems a bit odd for a Biker/Triker forum

[critch]

Yes but thats not unsubstantiated... we all know thats true, he borrows them off you... :p
and i dont ask for them back...


by the way did you know he freely admits to wearing a thong on his hols (shudder) :eek:

[critch]

pat clear yer in box mate

[tease]

what about good reccomendations? I will say Nightshade are great airbrush and graphic artists, and they were for me, but now say, borg hires them and ISNT pleased?

I think if its in a context where Company A was hired to paint my bike black and when I got it back it was purple and they didnt want to fix it, thats substantiated, isnt it?

[100%Pat]

So we can't warn fellow Bikers/Trikers about being conned and ripped off but we can insult any and all nationalities races and religions with impunity then ?

Seems a bit odd for a Biker/Triker forum

I cannot allow names.. If you cannot see the fairness or unfairness in that, then I do think you have a problem.
Yes you may well have a good reason for naming that company, as Freak has excellent reason to cause **** for the bloke who owes him money.

But how the hell do I tell the difference between those with good cause and those just stirring s.h.i.t. ? those folk who just want to cause trouble for someone they think had done them down? Its impossible. So I'm sorry but I stick by what I said. No Names.

[tease]

PART of me agrees with that Pat, there is a reputation to hold to and the onus would be on you to know the difference which would mean MUCH heavier moderating. I dont think anyone wants that either.
Way to keep it grounded, thats why your in charge of it.

I do see the value in warning others off bad deals too though, tough choice to make, but its yours and you made it, cant keep everyone happy :D

[STEViE]

Well you all know my feelin's on Mr Bike Builder.

**ABRACADABRA !!!**

An' he's still a cnut - actually he's not 'cos by his own admission Abb is an' I like Abb.
Mr Bike Builder is just a wanker


Wot, anutha verse an' a slightly different chorus to that song:

My tribulations with Mr Bike Builder are over an' done
An' I know I've been out on my bike this year havin' fun
But he owes a mate of mine money an' he don't wanna pay
So Mr Bike Builder, you're a wanker is all I can say.
(well I can say a load more but it prolly won't rhyme)

'Twenty three months, five days, sixteen hours' an' you still havn't learned
Well Mr Bike Builder one day you're gonna get burned
You've done it to so many others an' now it's your turn
In the bikin' fraternity let it be known that you're spurned

[Jay]

It's been nearly three years since Mr 'Bike Builder' took 3k off me for a job he never completed although
he did manage to cut my bike into bits pretty sharpish (yes I know I'm a twat for handing the money
over but he came very highly recomended).
After a year of my bike being sat next to his workshop bench rusting, collecting dust and being showered
in swarf from drills, angle grinders and weld splatter I withdrew it.
When a refund was mentioned for incomplete work Mr 'Bike Builder' pleaded poverty leaving me seriously
out of pocket and with a dilemma on my hands.... because with 30 odd bikes in his workshop in various stages
of re-build, the last thing I wanted to do was bankrupt him and sh1te on fellow bikers. Chances are I would
have come away with nothing except a lot of angry owners of part built bikes.
Rightly or wrongly I agreed on letting him have a period of time to get his sh1t together and finances sorted.
Sometimes I'm too considerate for me own good.... cause that was 2 years ago.
I have however been writing for the past 6 months now asking him to resolve the money issue one way
or another without a single response.
He's seriously taking the piss.

I'm just starting to get rattled, very rattled.... and I don’t get rattled often.
.
Mate

Did you put this 'Agreement' in writing? with a specific timescale?.

Jay

[Abb]

Stevie, who is listed in the credits for that song? :D ;)

[Jay]

I cannot allow names.. If you cannot see the fairness or unfairness in that, then I do think you have a problem.
Yes you may well have a good reason for naming that company, as Freak has excellent reason to cause **** for the bloke who owes him money.

But how the hell do I tell the difference between those with good cause and those just stirring s.h.i.t. ? those folk who just want to cause trouble for someone they think had done them down? Its impossible. So I'm sorry but I stick by what I said. No Names.
This is where the good old PM facility comes in handy.

[Doro]

I suppose if you really want to warn folk you could always say you have a company in Oxford for example who rip folk off then if anyone wants the name you can PM or email the info

anything 'published' is slander and since this forum is connected to the mag then the mag can suffer any consequences

I can see what you're all saying and I agree - especially as you can find out a tradesman's reputation by phoning past customers - that could lead to slander or libel too

but it's complicated, especially on the internet which has slightly different rules to newspapers

best just to do it word of mouth or privately :cool:

[Jay]

Stevie, who is listed in the credits for that song? :D ;)
I bet you a quid one of the BeeGees is on the list, they're on everything :D

[Freak]

Mate

Did you put this 'Agreement' in writing? with a specific timescale?.

Jay

I got a credit note with
terms: TBA written on it

See I was still foolishly under the impression that ALL bikers looked after each other.
Well there's always an exception to every rule. Guess I found it

[Doro]

ah jay you beat me to it :D

[Abb]

I got a credit note with
terms: TBA written on it

See I was still foolishly under the impression that ALL bikers looked after each other.
Well there's always an exception to every rule. Guess I found it
That'll do. A credit note is a legally binding document as long as it is on Letterheaded paper etc. As he owes you more than £750 just issue bankruptcy proceedings aganst him. He will get to keep his tools, but hat'll do him no good as his business is gone, he can't start another one, and his house will be repossessed aswell.

You have to look after yourself mate, sod everyone else - they will get paid after preferential creditors and you.

[STEViE]

I bet you a quid one of the BeeGees is on the list, they're on everything :D
No. All royalties come my way along with any sh!t over the lyric content.

[Tooty]

Hey freak sorry for your troubles...i think i know who you are talking about reading between your lines...be assured not all bike builders are of the same mold....the old fashion way of extracting money from these people usually works quite well....i find the ninja aproach does the trick :eek:

[Borg]

OK I see what you mean Pat and that's a fair point


Sometimes Overzelious Decremental Exuberance overwhelms Me

[Cook1e]

OK I see what you mean Pat and that's a fair point


Sometimes Overzelious Decremental Exuberance overwhelms Me

ah - SOD that

[critch]

Hey freak sorry for your troubles...i think i know who you are talking about reading between your lines...be assured not all bike builders are of the same mold....the old fashion way of extracting money from these people usually works quite well....i find the ninja aproach does the trick :eek:

i have a colection of large hammers that i can lease to the discerning connoisseur ;)

[Jay]

I got a credit note with
terms: TBA written on it

See I was still foolishly under the impression that ALL bikers looked after each other.
Well there's always an exception to every rule. Guess I found itBe prepared for him wriggle mate, believe it or not and if Abb has been in the collection game he'll know this too, he's pulling the best manouvre already - keeping quiet.

This draws everything out and if he plays the right cards gives him a fecking lifetime to find the money. If you go down the court route, he'll probably request the hearings to be postponed and in obscure places, meaning you have to travel around a bit.

Is there a £figure on the credit note? Are there any terms and conditions on the back relating to it's redemption period?

[Jay]

he can't start another one, ..Not the case if he is already a director in another company.

[Freak]

Hey freak sorry for your troubles...i think i know who you are talking about reading between your lines...be assured not all bike builders are of the same mold....the old fashion way of extracting money from these people usually works quite well....i find the ninja aproach does the trick :eek:

No need to be sorry, it's partly me own doing for handing over the cash before the work was done.
I'm certainly not taring all bike builders with the same brush either.
I had some fantastic help from other companies getting my build done once I
retrieved it from him.
I just wish I could do it all meself.... but I'm sh1te at it :o

[Freak]

Is there a £figure on the credit note? Are there any terms and conditions on the back relating to it's redemption period?

Yes, the figure is in writing but there are no terms or conditions relating to anything

[Abb]

Not the case if he is already a director in another company.

Nope, you are mistaken. Anyone who is an existing director will be disqualified from being a director for the duration of the bankruptcy.

A bankrupt cannot start a new business, become or hold director positions whilst bankrupt. They cannot apply for credit greater than £250 without informing the creditor that they are bankrupt. Basically, you are screwed.

[Abb]

Yes, the figure is in writing but there are no terms or conditions relating to anything

Terms and Conditions will be set at 30 days by the court if there are no terms set on the invoice/credit note. That's standard practice that is :D

[Freak]

Terms and Conditions will be set at 30 days by the court if there are no terms set on the invoice/credit note. That's standard practice that is :D

I take it that's from the court date :confused:

[Jay]

Nope, you are mistaken. Anyone who is an existing director will be disqualified from being a director for the duration of the bankruptcy.

A bankrupt cannot start a new business, become or hold director positions whilst bankrupt. They cannot apply for credit greater than £250 without informing the creditor that they are bankrupt. Basically, you are screwed.Are you sure Abb, because my mate is currently the director of one company he started, purely as a backup should his initial one go down, which it did. Although all the **** hit the fan, his second directorship could not be affected because it was already in place.

[Doro]

Nope, you are mistaken. Anyone who is an existing director will be disqualified from being a director for the duration of the bankruptcy.

A bankrupt cannot start a new business, become or hold director positions whilst bankrupt. They cannot apply for credit greater than £250 without informing the creditor that they are bankrupt. Basically, you are screwed.

on watchdog (TV) they seem to show folk who get away with this - no doubt there's a loop hole - like start a company in their wife's name etc

I await my email with bated breath

[100%Pat]

Did you get emmas email Freak?

[Cook1e]

on watchdog (TV) they seem to show folk who get away with this - no doubt there's a loop hole - like start a company in their wife's name etc

I await my email with bated breath

There are loop holes. I knew right **** who let his building company go down for millions.
He decared himself bankcrupt and within a year bought a house outright and a villa abroard.
Loads of companies suffered as a result of the debts he owed and he was living in luxury

[Freak]

Did you get emmas email Freak?

Yes, thanks.

[Abb]

Are you sure Abb, because my mate is currently the director of one company he started, purely as a backup should his initial one go down, which it did. Although all the **** hit the fan, his second directorship could not be affected because it was already in place.

There's a difference between Limited Liability companies and Sole Traders. A director is an officer of a limited company. As such they have certain protection against the company going bust, ie: their house is safe etc. If a director 'phoenixes' a company after his has gone bust, he can now be in trouble (long boring thing about changes to the law to stop malpractice and dodgy trading)

However, if, as in Freak's case, he is a sole trader or a partner and he is made bankrupt, he cannot become a director of a limited company, nor can he carry on busines under a different name whilst being bankrupt.

[Abb]

I take it that's from the court date :confused:

No, 30 days from the date of issue of the credit note/invoice. Standard trading terms as set out by the courts. Terms like TBA just do not stand up in court.

[Jay]

There's a difference between Limited Liability companies and Sole Traders. A director is an officer of a limited company. As such they have certain protection against the company going bust, ie: their house is safe etc. If a director 'phoenixes' a company after his has gone bust, he can now be in trouble (long boring thing about changes to the law to stop malpractice and dodgy trading)

However, if, as in Freak's case, he is a sole trader or a partner and he is made bankrupt, he cannot become a director of a limited company, nor can he carry on busines under a different name whilst being bankrupt.I agree, if he is a proprietor or partner.

My point was related to Directorships though!

[Jay]

No, 30 days from the date of issue of the credit note/invoice. Standard trading terms as set out by the courts. Terms like TBA just do not stand up in court.I thought there was a reletively short life for these type of things, hence my asking about the 'Agreement' being in writing.

Having said this, it won't affect Petes right to have a refund for work not carried out would it?

He's still entitled to put forward a case based on the fact that payment up front did not equate to a relative amount of work being carried out.

[Mitch]

I cannot allow names.. If you cannot see the fairness or unfairness in that, then I do think you have a problem.
Yes you may well have a good reason for naming that company, as Freak has excellent reason to cause **** for the bloke who owes him money.

But how the hell do I tell the difference between those with good cause and those just stirring s.h.i.t. ? those folk who just want to cause trouble for someone they think had done them down? Its impossible. So I'm sorry but I stick by what I said. No Names.


On the one hand, I would have said go ahead as long as you make a point of asking people to supply evidence of what their point is. If they can't supply that evidence to you, then you delete the post. On Chopperbuilder (yes, I know, it's another forum :o) the rules are "Post your questions in here – replies should be real facts only – please do not post unless you can backup the answer with links, docs, PDF’s etc. " This is so no numpty can say... "got this bollox off Chopperbuilder and this happened..."

On the other hand, the legal argument goes like this...
"Under the 1996 Defamation Act ‘Innocent disseminators’ such as website hosts are protected from libel suits as long as you have no reason to believe what is being said counts as libel. It is only libel when one can establish an identity of a particular person, which can be indicated from a nickname or corruption of a person’s name, making them recognisable to the readers."

There lies the catch. Dave Morris and Helen Steel were sued by McMurderburgers for just handing out a certain leaflet... :eek:

I've got a damned good idea though... Imagine this scenario... say for example, Mr Bikebuilder was to be at a particular event/rally/party. Then on walks the next entertainment... Stevie and his mandolin (sort of surprise guest sort of thing) who then just happens to sing his 'Mr Bikebuilder' song - the look on said bikebuilder's face would be a picture...

He would then look around him only to find he was surrounded by people who he owes money to etc.

oh dear... I wouldn't like to be him! :cool:

[blackhack]

I really cant understand all the pussyfooting around here.....

If he owes you money and youve done the decent thing and gave him some time to get it together for you, and he's taking the piss....just go visit him with a few mates and a big fukoff baseball bat and ask him again for whats rightfully yours....works for me...

[Sir Ewok]

Had too sue a contractor that owed me money. He tried to hang out the proceedings by not turning up, lying about the job done etc. i went to court 5 times and eventually persuaded the court that he was taking the piss. They found in my favour in his absence. He still did not pay, so I sent in the baillifs.....

[Friar Tuck]

If Mr. Bike Builder is a Sole Trader, and it sounds if he is, then taking him to court and bankrupting him may not be the best thing. If things are done by the rules, by using ccj's, etc, Ok! You win, but you still have to get the money. Usually by sending in the bailiffs. These guys tend to grab what they can sell it off cheap, take their wack, give anything left to you/your lawyer and anyone else in the pecking order!

Oh yeah! That's another thing, if you issue bankruptsy proceedings, a Liquidator maybe appointed to "administer" the Bankrupts' debts. All the creditors are then listed out in order of priority, Taxman first, Building Society - mortgage co. second, bank third, etc, etc! So by the time it comes to your turn of the hand out, surprise, surprise, the Liquidator usually makes an "offer"/ tells you that you may get someting like 5p in the pound as a settlement of the debt!

[Juke]

It's been nearly three years since Mr 'Bike Builder' took 3k off me for a job he never completed although
he did manage to cut my bike into bits pretty sharpish (yes I know I'm a twat for handing the money
over but he came very highly recomended).
After a year of my bike being sat next to his workshop bench rusting, collecting dust and being showered
in swarf from drills, angle grinders and weld splatter I withdrew it.
When a refund was mentioned for incomplete work Mr 'Bike Builder' pleaded poverty leaving me seriously
out of pocket and with a dilemma on my hands.... because with 30 odd bikes in his workshop in various stages
of re-build, the last thing I wanted to do was bankrupt him and sh1te on fellow bikers. Chances are I would
have come away with nothing except a lot of angry owners of part built bikes.
Rightly or wrongly I agreed on letting him have a period of time to get his sh1t together and finances sorted.
Sometimes I'm too considerate for me own good.... cause that was 2 years ago.
I have however been writing for the past 6 months now asking him to resolve the money issue one way
or another without a single response.
He's seriously taking the piss.

I'm just starting to get rattled, very rattled.... and I don’t get rattled often.
.

Sounds like you have been well shafted mate. Blokes like that deserve a good ol' bitch slap to teach them a lesson. :mad: Here's my story;
About 8years ago I had a mate who built trikes. I had wanted a trike for most of my life. Me ol' Dad, God bless his soul, was never into trikes, he was a true biker.
Anyway, I asked this 'mate' how much he would charge me to bulild a trike to my design. That being short,stocky,fast,loud,black and different. I never wanted a huge thing, and no pilion seat either. 'Come to my garage' he says, 'I may have just the thing for you'. So off I goes. In his garage he had this FJ1200 trike, very short (6'8'') very narrow (4'6'') and loud as fcuk!
'Result' I thought. With a few djustments to the colour (it was baby blue-yuk!) and the footpegs (which were front cruisers) and the handlebars (which were sit-up-and-begs) I thought 'this could be my baby'. We discussed the changes I wanted, and he said come back in a few weeks.
Off I went happy as a dog with two dicks that I was gonna get my dream at last. :D
When I returned to the garage, there sat my baby. I gave him £2k, he gave me a few lessons on the handling, and away I went. I was in heaven. But not for long!
I decided to go to Goddalming to visit a family member, followed by my fella Griff2000 who was in the car with our 3 kids, and a mate on his 1200 Bandit. All seemed well till we got to Goddalming, then the electrics went on me. 'No worries' says Jamie the Bandit boy, 'We will sort it when we get there'. A few miles down the road (well on the motorway doing approx 70mph to be precise) I felt the front end dip and thought I had just hit a dip in the road. I discovered something was seriously wrong when it took all I had to get her round a roundabout. I literally had to push her round the corners. We carried on a bit further and then on applying the back brake I realised I had no brake. Not too much of a prob on a trike i thought, I still have a good front one!
When we got to the families, Bandit boy takes a look and these were the probs which came to light on one trip from Stevenage to Goddalming:
1. No electrics due to wanky wiring! Extremely wanky wiring at that. From the battery (under the seat) to the headlight there was 8 pieces of wire (all different colours!) just twisted together with no connecters.
2. The 'dip' i felt was actually the down struts snapping! The 'frame' had actually given way on both sides. If the original FJ cradle wasn't holding the engine, the motor would probably have just dropped to the floor, and as i wasn't wearing a crash hat, my kids would have seen me certainly killed that day!
3. The loss of back brake was actually due to the twat not having the right bolts to attatch the lever, so good ol' gaffa tape was used, and with the heat of the exhaust pipes, yes you have guessed it, tape melted, brake lost!

As if all this wasn't enough, Bandit boy tells me I have a slight wobble on rear near side tyre. 'Probably just needs balancing' I thought. Wrong!
When we got home, we had the trike apart and got a few mates to put right the probs caused by this 'trike builder' who had been my mate for 13 years, or so I thought anyway.The problem with the wobble was actually a bent half shaft, which instead of being straightened or replaced, was fitted with two lugs welded onto the frame to compensate the bent axle! I called him to have it out with him, and as griff2000 is my witness, I called him a *unt and said when he returned home from his working holiday, I wanted to see him. He proceeded to tell me I had no idea what I was talking about, and if I threatened him again he would come and 'do' me with a shooter! As my ol' Dad once taught me and my bruvs, no-one threatens you with a shooter and gets away with it. So I awaited his return. He is a big bloke this ***** 19 stone and 6' tall of total bull****!! I am a bird of 5'8'' and weighing in at 9' 12lb at the time, but fcuk was i mad!!!!
As griff2000 will tell you, no-one scares me and when £2k and my trike is concerned I was like a raging pit bull!
I am now 7 years down the line and The Juke is still off the road. I have done probably 400 miles on her since I have had her. I took her to a few rallies, and won Best Trike at the Cambridge Harley club show, a trophy at my old club, The Celtic Warriors, (thats another story in itself!) but she has been passed from pillar to post to people who say they are gonna fix her up but turn out to be as bad as the fat twat who built her in the first place.
Now this twat has fcuked off to Spain, leaving his bike in the care of griff2000 and how tempted am i to just remove the headstock bolt, or the brake lever bolt, or snip the electrics? Fucking tempting I tell you! I aint a big bird, but if a bloke is gonna talk the talk, he should walk the walk also. And this tosser aint got an ounce of respect of loyalty in him.In the past I have lied for him, took time off work and lost money to look after his kids so he can go to court and plead his innocence for a crime he was guilty of, fed and watered him when he was skint.......the favours go on, and he re-pays me by selling me a dog **** in a satin envelope, then threatens me with a shooter when i lay into him for his shoddy workmanship. Wanker!!! One day he will have to face me, and I hope i have something in my hand at the time to wrap round his fat, worthless head! Those objects being the down struts I have kept so he can explain his wanky pigeon-**** welding!!!!! I think they will fit nicely rammed down the wankers throat!
The Juke WILL be re-born and when she is we have a lot of miles to make up for. Storage has been the prob but I have now scored a garage so very soon she will get my full attention and me and griff2000 and a few others will give her a new lease of life, that we both deserve.

So Freak, i feel for you mate i really do. This tosser who has pissed you about need sorting, if I were you i would give his hands a damn good slap with a heavy hammer! That should sort his bike building out mate.........

[kitkatman]

Sounds like you have been well shafted mate. Blokes like that deserve a good ol' bitch slap to teach them a lesson. :mad: Here's my story;
About 8years ago I had a mate who built trikes. I had wanted a trike for most of my life. Me ol' Dad, God bless his soul, was never into trikes, he was a true biker.
Anyway, I asked this 'mate' how much he would charge me to bulild a trike to my design. That being short,stocky,fast,loud,black and different. I never wanted a huge thing, and no pilion seat either. 'Come to my garage' he says, 'I may have just the thing for you'. So off I goes. In his garage he had this FJ1200 trike, very short (6'8'') very narrow (4'6'') and loud as fcuk!
'Result' I thought. With a few djustments to the colour (it was baby blue-yuk!) and the footpegs (which were front cruisers) and the handlebars (which were sit-up-and-begs) I thought 'this could be my baby'. We discussed the changes I wanted, and he said come back in a few weeks.
Off I went happy as a dog with two dicks that I was gonna get my dream at last. :D
When I returned to the garage, there sat my baby. I gave him £2k, he gave me a few lessons on the handling, and away I went. I was in heaven. But not for long!
I decided to go to Goddalming to visit a family member, followed by my fella Griff2000 who was in the car with our 3 kids, and a mate on his 1200 Bandit. All seemed well till we got to Goddalming, then the electrics went on me. 'No worries' says Jamie the Bandit boy, 'We will sort it when we get there'. A few miles down the road (well on the motorway doing approx 70mph to be precise) I felt the front end dip and thought I had just hit a dip in the road. I discovered something was seriously wrong when it took all I had to get her round a roundabout. I literally had to push her round the corners. We carried on a bit further and then on applying the back brake I realised I had no brake. Not too much of a prob on a trike i thought, I still have a good front one!
When we got to the families, Bandit boy takes a look and these were the probs which came to light on one trip from Stevenage to Goddalming:
1. No electrics due to wanky wiring! Extremely wanky wiring at that. From the battery (under the seat) to the headlight there was 8 pieces of wire (all different colours!) just twisted together with no connecters.
2. The 'dip' i felt was actually the down struts snapping! The 'frame' had actually given way on both sides. If the original FJ cradle wasn't holding the engine, the motor would probably have just dropped to the floor, and as i wasn't wearing a crash hat, my kids would have seen me certainly killed that day!
3. The loss of back brake was actually due to the twat not having the right bolts to attatch the lever, so good ol' gaffa tape was used, and with the heat of the exhaust pipes, yes you have guessed it, tape melted, brake lost!

As if all this wasn't enough, Bandit boy tells me I have a slight wobble on rear near side tyre. 'Probably just needs balancing' I thought. Wrong!
When we got home, we had the trike apart and got a few mates to put right the probs caused by this 'trike builder' who had been my mate for 13 years, or so I thought anyway.The problem with the wobble was actually a bent half shaft, which instead of being straightened or replaced, was fitted with two lugs welded onto the frame to compensate the bent axle! I called him to have it out with him, and as griff2000 is my witness, I called him a *unt and said when he returned home from his working holiday, I wanted to see him. He proceeded to tell me I had no idea what I was talking about, and if I threatened him again he would come and 'do' me with a shooter! As my ol' Dad once taught me and my bruvs, no-one threatens you with a shooter and gets away with it. So I awaited his return. He is a big bloke this ***** 19 stone and 6' tall of total bull****!! I am a bird of 5'8'' and weighing in at 9' 12lb at the time, but fcuk was i mad!!!!
As griff2000 will tell you, no-one scares me and when £2k and my trike is concerned I was like a raging pit bull!
I am now 7 years down the line and The Juke is still off the road. I have done probably 400 miles on her since I have had her. I took her to a few rallies, and won Best Trike at the Cambridge Harley club show, a trophy at my old club, The Celtic Warriors, (thats another story in itself!) but she has been passed from pillar to post to people who say they are gonna fix her up but turn out to be as bad as the fat twat who built her in the first place.
Now this twat has fcuked off to Spain, leaving his bike in the care of griff2000 and how tempted am i to just remove the headstock bolt, or the brake lever bolt, or snip the electrics? Fucking tempting I tell you! I aint a big bird, but if a bloke is gonna talk the talk, he should walk the walk also. And this tosser aint got an ounce of respect of loyalty in him.In the past I have lied for him, took time off work and lost money to look after his kids so he can go to court and plead his innocence for a crime he was guilty of, fed and watered him when he was skint.......the favours go on, and he re-pays me by selling me a dog **** in a satin envelope, then threatens me with a shooter when i lay into him for his shoddy workmanship. Wanker!!! One day he will have to face me, and I hope i have something in my hand at the time to wrap round his fat, worthless head! Those objects being the down struts I have kept so he can explain his wanky pigeon-**** welding!!!!! I think they will fit nicely rammed down the wankers throat!
The Juke WILL be re-born and when she is we have a lot of miles to make up for. Storage has been the prob but I have now scored a garage so very soon she will get my full attention and me and griff2000 and a few others will give her a new lease of life, that we both deserve.

So Freak, i feel for you mate i really do. This tosser who has pissed you about need sorting, if I were you i would give his hands a damn good slap with a heavy hammer! That should sort his bike building out mate.........

bloody hell...i am surprised you was'nt killed that day! what a wanker........

get revenge in any way or form, you won't get your money back, but you will feel a sense of pride and satifaction as the <unt is laying somewhere bleeding and hurting

[Juke]

thats ok mate......spain will deal with him, and when he's outta there, i will be waiting! 'Revenge is a dish'.....an' all that ****, :D

[kitkatman]

thats what i like to hear, how long is he out in spain for

[Juke]

bowt two months i think......but griff has his bike so all is not lost. wouldn't harm the bike whilst griff has it, wouldn't be fair to land griff in it, but i will know when he returns and if i get the chance i will give him the surprise of his fcuking life!

[Juke]

he has sold up and is living there in a wannabego truck....but he has to return to get/sell his bike. If griff sells it for him, i can always take £2k of the cash and call it quiys eh? Will be interesting to see wot the fat twat does then eh? Maybe he will visit me with this shooter he reckons he is gonna do me with!!! Hope so, then i can shove it up his fcuking arse! I can post his name on the forum if you like!!!!!I ain't proud...just mad as hell!

[kitkatman]

he has sold up and is living there in a wannabego truck....but he has to return to get/sell his bike. If griff sells it for him, i can always take £2k of the cash and call it quiys eh? Will be interesting to see wot the fat twat does then eh? Maybe he will visit me with this shooter he reckons he is gonna do me with!!! Hope so, then i can shove it up his fcuking arse! I can post his name on the forum if you like!!!!!I ain't proud...just mad as hell!
i would take £3k and say that the extra is for all the agro he has caused :D

[xjtriker666]

borg ,,,i had similar probs with them m8...had my bike to trike 9 mth an did fukk all to it...nowt but a load ov wankers..took bike to another guy to build trike took 2 mth finished,,,,3 trips to wales told fat ginger twat i was goin to strangle him if bike wasnt ready for pick up an ship out...........even joined the fukkin ****e club as well.................society for disabled enabled motorcyclists...8888 yea fukk um more like............

[Freak]

Sounds like you have been well shafted mate. Blokes like that deserve a good ol' bitch slap to teach them a lesson. :mad: Here's my story;
About 8years ago I had a mate who built trikes. I had wanted a trike for most of my life. Me ol' Dad, God bless his soul, was never into trikes, he was a true biker.
Anyway, I asked this 'mate' how much he would charge me to bulild a trike to my design. That being short,stocky,fast,loud,black and different. I never wanted a huge thing, and no pilion seat either. 'Come to my garage' he says, 'I may have just the thing for you'. So off I goes. In his garage he had this FJ1200 trike, very short (6'8'') very narrow (4'6'') and loud as fcuk!
'Result' I thought. With a few djustments to the colour (it was baby blue-yuk!) and the footpegs (which were front cruisers) and the handlebars (which were sit-up-and-begs) I thought 'this could be my baby'. We discussed the changes I wanted, and he said come back in a few weeks.
Off I went happy as a dog with two dicks that I was gonna get my dream at last. :D
When I returned to the garage, there sat my baby. I gave him £2k, he gave me a few lessons on the handling, and away I went. I was in heaven. But not for long!
I decided to go to Goddalming to visit a family member, followed by my fella Griff2000 who was in the car with our 3 kids, and a mate on his 1200 Bandit. All seemed well till we got to Goddalming, then the electrics went on me. 'No worries' says Jamie the Bandit boy, 'We will sort it when we get there'. A few miles down the road (well on the motorway doing approx 70mph to be precise) I felt the front end dip and thought I had just hit a dip in the road. I discovered something was seriously wrong when it took all I had to get her round a roundabout. I literally had to push her round the corners. We carried on a bit further and then on applying the back brake I realised I had no brake. Not too much of a prob on a trike i thought, I still have a good front one!
When we got to the families, Bandit boy takes a look and these were the probs which came to light on one trip from Stevenage to Goddalming:
1. No electrics due to wanky wiring! Extremely wanky wiring at that. From the battery (under the seat) to the headlight there was 8 pieces of wire (all different colours!) just twisted together with no connecters.
2. The 'dip' i felt was actually the down struts snapping! The 'frame' had actually given way on both sides. If the original FJ cradle wasn't holding the engine, the motor would probably have just dropped to the floor, and as i wasn't wearing a crash hat, my kids would have seen me certainly killed that day!
3. The loss of back brake was actually due to the twat not having the right bolts to attatch the lever, so good ol' gaffa tape was used, and with the heat of the exhaust pipes, yes you have guessed it, tape melted, brake lost!

As if all this wasn't enough, Bandit boy tells me I have a slight wobble on rear near side tyre. 'Probably just needs balancing' I thought. Wrong!
When we got home, we had the trike apart and got a few mates to put right the probs caused by this 'trike builder' who had been my mate for 13 years, or so I thought anyway.The problem with the wobble was actually a bent half shaft, which instead of being straightened or replaced, was fitted with two lugs welded onto the frame to compensate the bent axle! I called him to have it out with him, and as griff2000 is my witness, I called him a *unt and said when he returned home from his working holiday, I wanted to see him. He proceeded to tell me I had no idea what I was talking about, and if I threatened him again he would come and 'do' me with a shooter! As my ol' Dad once taught me and my bruvs, no-one threatens you with a shooter and gets away with it. So I awaited his return. He is a big bloke this ***** 19 stone and 6' tall of total bull****!! I am a bird of 5'8'' and weighing in at 9' 12lb at the time, but fcuk was i mad!!!!
As griff2000 will tell you, no-one scares me and when £2k and my trike is concerned I was like a raging pit bull!
I am now 7 years down the line and The Juke is still off the road. I have done probably 400 miles on her since I have had her. I took her to a few rallies, and won Best Trike at the Cambridge Harley club show, a trophy at my old club, The Celtic Warriors, (thats another story in itself!) but she has been passed from pillar to post to people who say they are gonna fix her up but turn out to be as bad as the fat twat who built her in the first place.
Now this twat has fcuked off to Spain, leaving his bike in the care of griff2000 and how tempted am i to just remove the headstock bolt, or the brake lever bolt, or snip the electrics? Fucking tempting I tell you! I aint a big bird, but if a bloke is gonna talk the talk, he should walk the walk also. And this tosser aint got an ounce of respect of loyalty in him.In the past I have lied for him, took time off work and lost money to look after his kids so he can go to court and plead his innocence for a crime he was guilty of, fed and watered him when he was skint.......the favours go on, and he re-pays me by selling me a dog **** in a satin envelope, then threatens me with a shooter when i lay into him for his shoddy workmanship. Wanker!!! One day he will have to face me, and I hope i have something in my hand at the time to wrap round his fat, worthless head! Those objects being the down struts I have kept so he can explain his wanky pigeon-**** welding!!!!! I think they will fit nicely rammed down the wankers throat!
The Juke WILL be re-born and when she is we have a lot of miles to make up for. Storage has been the prob but I have now scored a garage so very soon she will get my full attention and me and griff2000 and a few others will give her a new lease of life, that we both deserve.

So Freak, i feel for you mate i really do. This tosser who has pissed you about need sorting, if I were you i would give his hands a damn good slap with a heavy hammer! That should sort his bike building out mate.........

I'm sorry to read your post. It makes my blood boil, it really does :mad:
Perhaps we can get them both in the the same place at the same time.
and save ourselves a match :p

[Doro]

thats ok mate......spain will deal with him, and when he's outta there, i will be waiting! 'Revenge is a dish'.....an' all that ****, :D

I know I shouldn't be surprised (cos of how long stuff drags on) - but 7 years is a long time for the dish to get cold :eek:


I couldn't wait that long, and as a so called friend I would have broke something by now!

[Juke]

I know I shouldn't be surprised (cos of how long stuff drags on) - but 7 years is a long time for the dish to get cold :eek:


I couldn't wait that long, and as a so called friend I would have broke something by now!

seeing him squirm every time he see's me cos he never knows when i am gonna embarass him is good enough for me right now. Yes 7 yrs is a long time for the dish to get cold, but by now the revenge will be freezing!!! All good things come to those who wait, and when the Juke is finally on the road, he will be gutted when he see's how much work has had to be done to fix his ****! Even Al ain't that thick........skinned! And i will never 'have' him in front of his kids, that ain't my style.

[kitkatman]

is there any way of conecting a live wire to the inside of the fuel tank, so that when he for instance, indicates, a spark is then made within the fuel tank and then....

BLAM
the fuckers dead

[Juke]

funny you should say the kkm, I did think of 'rigging' it but it's in a mates shed, and if he should start it for any reason............wrong bloke!.know what i mean?

[kitkatman]

prep it ready...
start it every so often, when he returns ( making sure that it's primed ), smile and say all is forgiven, give him a kiss on the cheek goodbye and then.....




phone the fire brigade :D

[Juke]

now you got me finkin'.............hmmmmmm

[kitkatman]

use the 6 p's
proper ...planning...prevents...piss..poor.....perfomance



and you won't go wrong

[Juke]

good line of thought kkm...........i shall remember that.... :D

[Dougie]

use the 6 p's
proper ...planning...prevents...piss..poor.....perfomance



and you won't go wrong
So when were YOU in the army then? :p

[BigJohn]

This is why I do all of my own work. I did learn the hard way though. I had a car when I was in high school, and since I was 16, I thought I could do anything, and so could me car. Long story short, I cracked both cylinder heads and scored the crank. Took my car to the dealership for work. They charged me $900 to replace the heads and turn the crank and put in new bearings. The $900 out of my own pocket, and 1 month without wheels, changed my driving style. 2 weeks of careful driving later, I was going down the road and noticed that the steering got hard. Then I noticed the temperature guage peg out and THUD-CLUNK, the engine stopped. Opened the hood, and there sits a bird's nest of belts and ripped hoses. Sitting on the rack and pinion steering unit was my problem. The harmonic balancer had fallen off. It had not broken, but rather, the bolt holding it to the crankshaft had never been replaced after the crank was reinstalled. When confronted with this, the dealership swears that it is not their problem. There was dirt and road grime in the threads in the bolthole. Two different mechanics said that if the bolt had been installed, it was not tightened down, because these bolts do not just come out. Long story short again, in court, I did not win. This is why I have not taken anything to anyone for work since. If I do not know how to do it, I learn.

John

[Shaun the Fatman]

is there any way of conecting a live wire to the inside of the fuel tank, so that when he for instance, indicates, a spark is then made within the fuel tank and then....
BLAM
the fuckers deadProbably not enough air in the tank to get a good BANG anyway, might as well go for some willie pete (white phosphorus) taped on the underside of the tank in airtight plastic... engine heats up, breaks down the container, air gets to the phosphorus which eats through the tank (aluminimum burns well at that temprature) and drops the fuel all over.... instant Fuel / Air bomb....

er I should say that this is a purely theoretical exercise and I would never ever do this, except on the specific orders of my Department Head ("M") against enemies of the Queen and people I don't like much.

Of course an AN-M14 Thermite incendary grenade would be even better....4300 degrees of retribution mwhahahaha

[johnr]

Sounds like you have been well shafted mate. Blokes like that deserve a good ol' bitch slap to teach them a lesson. :mad: Here's my story;
About 8years ago I had a mate who built trikes. I had wanted a trike for most of my life. Me ol' Dad, God bless his soul, was never into trikes, he was a true biker.
Anyway, I asked this 'mate' how much he would charge me to bulild a trike to my design. That being short,stocky,fast,loud,black and different. I never wanted a huge thing, and no pilion seat either. 'Come to my garage' he says, 'I may have just the thing for you'. So off I goes. In his garage he had this FJ1200 trike, very short (6'8'') very narrow (4'6'') and loud as fcuk!
'Result' I thought. With a few djustments to the colour (it was baby blue-yuk!) and the footpegs (which were front cruisers) and the handlebars (which were sit-up-and-begs) I thought 'this could be my baby'. We discussed the changes I wanted, and he said come back in a few weeks.
Off I went happy as a dog with two dicks that I was gonna get my dream at last. :D
When I returned to the garage, there sat my baby. I gave him £2k, he gave me a few lessons on the handling, and away I went. I was in heaven. But not for long!
I decided to go to Goddalming to visit a family member, followed by my fella Griff2000 who was in the car with our 3 kids, and a mate on his 1200 Bandit. All seemed well till we got to Goddalming, then the electrics went on me. 'No worries' says Jamie the Bandit boy, 'We will sort it when we get there'. A few miles down the road (well on the motorway doing approx 70mph to be precise) I felt the front end dip and thought I had just hit a dip in the road. I discovered something was seriously wrong when it took all I had to get her round a roundabout. I literally had to push her round the corners. We carried on a bit further and then on applying the back brake I realised I had no brake. Not too much of a prob on a trike i thought, I still have a good front one!
When we got to the families, Bandit boy takes a look and these were the probs which came to light on one trip from Stevenage to Goddalming:
1. No electrics due to wanky wiring! Extremely wanky wiring at that. From the battery (under the seat) to the headlight there was 8 pieces of wire (all different colours!) just twisted together with no connecters.
2. The 'dip' i felt was actually the down struts snapping! The 'frame' had actually given way on both sides. If the original FJ cradle wasn't holding the engine, the motor would probably have just dropped to the floor, and as i wasn't wearing a crash hat, my kids would have seen me certainly killed that day!
3. The loss of back brake was actually due to the twat not having the right bolts to attatch the lever, so good ol' gaffa tape was used, and with the heat of the exhaust pipes, yes you have guessed it, tape melted, brake lost!

As if all this wasn't enough, Bandit boy tells me I have a slight wobble on rear near side tyre. 'Probably just needs balancing' I thought. Wrong!
When we got home, we had the trike apart and got a few mates to put right the probs caused by this 'trike builder' who had been my mate for 13 years, or so I thought anyway.The problem with the wobble was actually a bent half shaft, which instead of being straightened or replaced, was fitted with two lugs welded onto the frame to compensate the bent axle! I called him to have it out with him, and as griff2000 is my witness, I called him a *unt and said when he returned home from his working holiday, I wanted to see him. He proceeded to tell me I had no idea what I was talking about, and if I threatened him again he would come and 'do' me with a shooter! As my ol' Dad once taught me and my bruvs, no-one threatens you with a shooter and gets away with it. So I awaited his return. He is a big bloke this ***** 19 stone and 6' tall of total bull****!! I am a bird of 5'8'' and weighing in at 9' 12lb at the time, but fcuk was i mad!!!!
As griff2000 will tell you, no-one scares me and when £2k and my trike is concerned I was like a raging pit bull!
I am now 7 years down the line and The Juke is still off the road. I have done probably 400 miles on her since I have had her. I took her to a few rallies, and won Best Trike at the Cambridge Harley club show, a trophy at my old club, The Celtic Warriors, (thats another story in itself!) but she has been passed from pillar to post to people who say they are gonna fix her up but turn out to be as bad as the fat twat who built her in the first place.
Now this twat has fcuked off to Spain, leaving his bike in the care of griff2000 and how tempted am i to just remove the headstock bolt, or the brake lever bolt, or snip the electrics? Fucking tempting I tell you! I aint a big bird, but if a bloke is gonna talk the talk, he should walk the walk also. And this tosser aint got an ounce of respect of loyalty in him.In the past I have lied for him, took time off work and lost money to look after his kids so he can go to court and plead his innocence for a crime he was guilty of, fed and watered him when he was skint.......the favours go on, and he re-pays me by selling me a dog **** in a satin envelope, then threatens me with a shooter when i lay into him for his shoddy workmanship. Wanker!!! One day he will have to face me, and I hope i have something in my hand at the time to wrap round his fat, worthless head! Those objects being the down struts I have kept so he can explain his wanky pigeon-**** welding!!!!! I think they will fit nicely rammed down the wankers throat!
The Juke WILL be re-born and when she is we have a lot of miles to make up for. Storage has been the prob but I have now scored a garage so very soon she will get my full attention and me and griff2000 and a few others will give her a new lease of life, that we both deserve.

So Freak, i feel for you mate i really do. This tosser who has pissed you about need sorting, if I were you i would give his hands a damn good slap with a heavy hammer! That should sort his bike building out mate.........


caveat emptor!

[johnr]

Probably not enough air in the tank to get a good BANG anyway, might as well go for some willie pete (white phosphorus) taped on the underside of the tank in airtight plastic... engine heats up, breaks down the container, air gets to the phosphorus which eats through the tank (aluminimum burns well at that temprature) and drops the fuel all over.... instant Fuel / Air bomb....

er I should say that this is a purely theoretical exercise and I would never ever do this, except on the specific orders of my Department Head ("M") against enemies of the Queen and people I don't like much.

Of course an AN-M14 Thermite incendary grenade would be even better....4300 degrees of retribution mwhahahaha


and what do you say to the poor fucker that he is next to when it goes bang, or if he picks it up, then flogs it to someone else straight off? is it just tough **** for them? what if he takes it home, and it goes bang whilst his kids or neighbors kids are there? is it tough **** for them too?

[Juke]

caveat emptor!

speak english or get the fcuk out!............ :D

[Juke]

and what do you say to the poor fucker that he is next to when it goes bang, or if he picks it up, then flogs it to someone else straight off? is it just tough **** for them? what if he takes it home, and it goes bang whilst his kids or neighbors kids are there? is it tough **** for them too?

seems to most of us on this forum mate, that you have no fcukin' sense of humour........always ready for the argument ain't ya?.....god help your wife, poor cow thats all i can say........ :D

[johnr]

speak english or get the fcuk out!............ :D


not a difficult one, even with my spelling. is in regular use in the english language despite being, i think, latin, means loosely translated, buyer beware. in other words, if you are paying out for something, doesnt matter where it came from, treat it as though the seller is the dodgyest dealer out there, check everything, and acept no excuses, cos where money is concerned, then people tend to put everything else second. i dont care if its the fecking pope selling the trike, i would go over it as though my life depended on it, which, it would. !

[johnr]

seems to most of us on this forum mate, that you have no fcukin' sense of humour........always ready for the argument ain't ya?.....god help your wife, poor cow thats all i can say........ :D

and your point is?

or is it that you dont like being wrong? :D

[Juke]

i'll remember that next time i buy something off a mate...........

[Juke]

and your point is?

or is it that you dont like being wrong? :D

who said i was wrong?....bowt what?.......shaun was having a joke and you just didn't get it..........took it all serious and tried to 'ave a go....again!

[Shaun the Fatman]

and what do you say to the poor fucker that he is next to when it goes bang, or if he picks it up, then flogs it to someone else straight off? is it just tough **** for them? what if he takes it home, and it goes bang whilst his kids or neighbors kids are there? is it tough **** for them too?
(Sigh) Definition of "Theoretical": "Confined to Theory or speculation often in contrast to practical applications".

Don't confuse speculating on the best way to do something with the intention of actually doing it. I know some people have trouble telling the difference between reality and fantasy but I've never had that prob.

[Juke]

don't encourage the guy shaun......he'll only wind ya up mate.....swarmy git!

[johnr]

nahhh, you are taking yourself seriously arent you. i was simply doing what i always do, seeing the situation from another point of view, sure matey took someones cash and did one, tough titty, guys a ***** but what you going to do? talking in detail about booby trapping bikes and home made bombs is all just talk, but any action has consequences even imagnary ones. so i put my point of view, you dont have to agree with it, its a forum, so other people are allowed a point of view, even if its different from yours, thats life, we arent all the same, so live with it. you dont have to agree with me, in fact, you dont even have to read or reply to my posts. but you did, and it generated his discussion. isnt that what forums like this are for? or am i missing something :)

[johnr]

swarmy? wassat then

[Juke]

not at all.......you are very good entertainmaent as it goes........

[shaggy696969]

like smarmy . but devoid of sense of humour

[Juke]

smart arse.........

[Juke]

like smarmy . but devoid of sense of humour

thats very polite of you shaggy...lol

[shaggy696969]

thats very polite of you shaggy...lol


I know im quite proud of meself with that one ...... my brief says with my anger management classes .... he might be able to get me off ! :cool: :D

[johnr]

and smarmy, whats that, appart from like swarmy? and i was accused of not speaking english! :D

[shaggy696969]

and smarmy, whats that, appart from like swarmy? and i was accused of not speaking english! :D
Buy a fucking dictionary

[dracken1]

well i've always run my parts business on the supermarket principle.
you want to take it today, then you pay today.
i do give credit to a couple of pro builders based on a sale of return basis.
i stock thier shelves, the more they sell then the more i sell.

i always insist on a £100.00 deposit on a trike frame. just so i don't end up haveing it hanging around if the guy changes his mind and another customer wants a different one to that one.

if someone wants bolt on extras for thier trike then i get them a few days before the frame is handed over.
if on the otherhand the parts need adapting to fit (brackets on fuel tanks) then the item has to be paid for there and then.
i won't sell bikes because of the aforementioned comebacks you can end up with, which can really harm a business :)

[Juke]

well said shaggy....... :D

[johnr]

Buy a fucking dictionary

a fucking dictionary? is that different to an ordinary one? where pray may i purchase a fucking dictionary from? is it illustrated ? does it come with a fucking thesaurus to help me to use more descriptive fucking prose?

[Juke]

go and buy one,read it cover to cover then come back and let us know...........

[shaggy696969]

yep nope dunno nope nope and i fucking doubt it

[johnr]

yes, but from where? a fucking book shop? :D

[Juke]

visit every book shop in the country till you find one..........

[johnr]

from oxford dictionary,
smarmy- adjective ingratiating and wheedling in an insincere or excessive way.
wow, you thought my comments were ingratiating?

swarmy- :D Sorry, there are no results for that search.

when i go for my fucking dictionary, perhaps i best get you two one each as well.

[johnr]

visit every book shop in the country till you find one..........

now, i suspect you are just being silly. hadnt you best go back to building imaginary bombs for bad people?

[shaggy696969]

nope just incinsere in an excessive way . sad bastard actually looked it up

[johnr]

nope just incinsere in an excessive way . sad bastard actually looked it up

ah, but you cant just pick up odd bits of a description and try to justify your own poor use of the language, and anyhow, insincere in an excessive way isnt right either. i wasnt being insincere, perhaps you should look that up, i was simply posting an alternative viewpoint, if you dont like it, then theres not a great deal that either of us can do about it, personally, i couldnt really care, but you two seem to be getting all worked up over it,

nothing sad about using a dictionary, only takes a second online anyhow, perhaps you shoud try it before using completely random words that you dont know the correct meaning of to describe people, you want the link, or can you find it yourself?

[johnr]

just for you, enjoy :D

http://www.askoxford.com/?view=uk

[Grav]

The Karma Sutra is a fucking dictionary. :D

[Shaun the Fatman]

... i was simply posting an alternative viewpoint, if you dont like it, then theres not a great deal that either of us can do about it, personally, i couldnt really care, but you two seem to be getting all worked up over it, ?
Um actually you weren't doing that, quite.

I explained my view of the best way to blow something up and you said what about innocent bystanders. if you were posting an alternative viewpoint you would have been suggesting a different way of blowing the same thing up, not questioning the morality of applying that technique.
........ As we're being pedantic about the use of language. :D

[Juke]

ah, but you cant just pick up odd bits of a description and try to justify your own poor use of the language, and anyhow, insincere in an excessive way isnt right either. i wasnt being insincere, perhaps you should look that up, i was simply posting an alternative viewpoint, if you dont like it, then theres not a great deal that either of us can do about it, personally, i couldnt really care, but you two seem to be getting all worked up over it,

nothing sad about using a dictionary, only takes a second online anyhow, perhaps you shoud try it before using completely random words that you dont know the correct meaning of to describe people, you want the link, or can you find it yourself?

johnr, as your signature says 'in sidecars, no-one can hear you scream'.......well shaggy, lets put this 'person' in a fcuking sidecar, shove it over a cliff and see if we can hear the twat scream eh?..........

[johnr]

Um actually you weren't doing that, quite.

I explained my view of the best way to blow something up and you said what about innocent bystanders. if you were posting an alternative viewpoint you would have been suggesting a different way of blowing the same thing up, not questioning the morality of applying that technique.
........ As we're being pedantic about the use of language. :D

granted shaun, :p ill give you that one. but my posting was simply that there ae cosequences to any action, sure in the imaginary situation where mr bad guy gets blown up, then there is the imaginary possibility of imaginary innocent bystanders getting imaginary serious injuries or imaginary deaths. point was that there are always consequences to peoples actions. my thoughts are why would anyone want to blow anyone else up, whatever they did?
:confused:

[johnr]

johnr, as your signature says 'in sidecars, no-one can hear you scream'.......well shaggy, lets put this 'person' in a fcuking sidecar, shove it over a cliff and see if we can hear the twat scream eh?..........

would that be an imaginary threat or a real one, and can you tell the difference? if you feel the need to silence someone that has commited the heinous offence of not agreeing with you then its nice to know that you feel you need help to do it :D you wouldnt recognise me if you met me juke, indeed, how do you know that you never have? so i will take this little hissy fit as a sign that you have reached the stage in an argument where you can think of nothing else constructive to say. in an imaginative sense that is!
and should you feel the need to borrow a sidecar, ive got plenty ;)
ttfn

[rommel]

come on people lets agree to disagree and leave it at that...................... :D

[johnr]

come on people lets agree to disagree and leave it at that...................... :D

and wheres the fun in that then!!! :D

[rommel]

Just seemed to be getting a little heavy....................so I'm sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick................don'y want anyone to get hurt........ :D

[100%Pat]

Right I've let this run just about as long as I feel able to..
Debate and argue all you want, just DONT RESORT TO FECKIN INSULTS
Only I am allowed to do that.

Duke, please if you cannot continue the debate with out personal insult please take it to PM or leave it out...

[johnr]

eeek! sorry boss :D

[shaggy696969]

pat to be fair to juke .... this bloke came in with a complete lack of sense of humour (apparently ) playing holier than fucking though and when it was pointed out proceeded to take the piss, while ill argue the toss with the best of em this dickead just kept on. So either delete the thread or let it continue , but dont victimise anyone.

[johnr]

if you cant take it, dont give it out.
everyone is entitled to an oppinion. you think im a dickhead, fair enough, no problem to me. i wouldnt resort to calling you names, cos i dont know you, but youre entitled to an oppinion of your own if it makes you feel better.
and for the record. i never even made imaginary threats to anyone! :D

[100%Pat]

Im not victimising anyone, Ive read it, and I'm not taking sides, i think the whole thing a bit silly but JohnR maybe all you say, I dont know, but it was Juke that resorted to personal insult and we dont have that on here, argue /debate all you like I dont care, but personal abusive comments just means you lose the argument...
Are you Jukes mum... :rolleyes:

[minxy]

I think what you'll actually find, is that johnr (in the many moons he has been around these 'ere bike forums) does offer an alternative viewpoint on 'heated' issues.

It usually ends up resorting to peronal insults and threats.

He's very good at it and has got me more than a couple of times.

If you see johnr post, you know that it's because he spotted the touchpaper. Then, just stand back and watch the explosion. So in a round about way, you could also see it as a point in the discussion to take a step back and cool it.

Or get smart.

Just MHO

[100%Pat]

I still say if you have to resort to personal abusive remarks then you've just lost the argument.... :rolleyes:

[johnr]

I think what you'll actually find, is that johnr (in the many moons he has been around these 'ere bike forums) does offer an alternative viewpoint on 'heated' issues.

It usually ends up resorting to peronal insults and threats.

He's very good at it and has got me more than a couple of times.

If you see johnr post, you know that it's because he spotted the touchpaper. Then, just stand back and watch the explosion. So in a round about way, you could also see it as a point in the discussion to take a step back and cool it.

Or get smart.

Just MHO

gee minx, thanks. almost brought a tear to my eye ;)






almost :D

[minxy]

Took me long enough eh ;)

[100%Pat]

[QUOTE=minxy]I think what you'll actually find, is that johnr (in the many moons he has been around these 'ere bike forums)


Err mate... she's saying you're old...

[shaggy696969]

No im not i just dont see where it can get anyone by victimisation. This is meant to be a fun thing, not just a pisstake from some fucker trying to be clever at someone elses expense. The bomb in the tank idea has been bandied about for aslong as i can remember being around bikes ..... so the line john r took was not funny atall hence lack of humour , and while ill admit he does apear to have quite a good sense of humour to retort the way he did by then the subject was wearing very thin all round. Ill call a spade a spade and i dont give a fuck who i upset doing it but this guy did really start to take the piss.... so if name calling is what it degraded to dont be supprised by it .

[johnr]

[QUOTE=minxy]I think what you'll actually find, is that johnr (in the many moons he has been around these 'ere bike forums)


Err mate... she's saying you're old...

its not that im old, i just feel it sometimes(fnurk) and minxy can say what she likes,for 2 reasons,
1, ive seen her pic, and she's a nice looking lass.

2, she knows all about gsx 11 motors, and so is elevated to god status in my oppinion :D

[100%Pat]

Ill call a spade a spade and i dont give a fuck who i upset doing it but this guy did really start to take the piss.... so if name calling is what it degraded to dont be supprised by it .


Errm not while I'm in charge you bloody wont. I dont delete stuff unless I have to, I dont moderate much at all, I believe in treating everyone as the adults (and mates most of them) that they are on here, dont piss me off please. I've asked quite nicely, debate, argument, dissagree all you like..
Personal insults and remarks are not allowed.
Stick to the rules (which are feckin few) or you know where the door is... :mad:

[Doro]

No im not i just dont see where it can get anyone by victimisation. This is meant to be a fun thing, not just a pisstake from some fucker trying to be clever at someone elses expense. The bomb in the tank idea has been bandied about for aslong as i can remember being around bikes ..... so the line john r took was not funny atall hence lack of humour , and while ill admit he does apear to have quite a good sense of humour to retort the way he did by then the subject was wearing very thin all round. Ill call a spade a spade and i dont give a fuck who i upset doing it but this guy did really start to take the piss.... so if name calling is what it degraded to dont be supprised by it .


whether johnr had a sense of humour bypass or not - the FACTS are that he didn't personnally insult anyone whereas Juke did - go back and read it and you'll see that Pat is being factual - she isn't victimising anyone - we have loads of arguments and disagreements on here - but personal insults are unnecessary - even shaun didn't become insulting and it was his post which johnr was referring too!!

[100%Pat]

Oooh am I being 'moderated' by my own moderator? :D

[shaggy696969]

"Errm not while I'm in charge you bloody wont."

what point are you making , when i say spade is a spade .... means ill tell it how i see it , thats our freedom of speach .

"Personal insults and remarks are not allowed"

but are plentifull on here, im not having a go but anyone could see the way it was going .... so why let it get to that.

"Stick to the rules (which are feckin few) or you know where the door is... "

If i have infringed the rules Ban me if not let it go and smile :D

[Spike]

Oooh am I being 'moderated' by my own moderator? :D

Who guards the guards....... :rolleyes:

[Doro]

nooooo hinny I'm agreeing wif ya - stickin up for ya :D :D anyway you sneaked yours in while I was still typing mine

[Fran]

Can I still insult Grav? :D

[johnr]

Can I still insult Grav? :D

i think thats an exception, everyone can insult grav :D

[Fran]

i think thats an exception, everyone can insult grav :D
I wouldn't be surprised if it's compulsary! :p

[100%Pat]

"Errm not while I'm in charge you bloody wont."

what point are you making , when i say spade is a spade .... means ill tell it how i see it , thats our freedom of speach .

"Personal insults and remarks are not allowed"

but are plentifull on here, im not having a go but anyone could see the way it was going .... so why let it get to that.

"Stick to the rules (which are feckin few) or you know where the door is... "

If i have infringed the rules Ban me if not let it go and smile :D

The point I am making (and for the final bloody time) is this, we do not when having reasoned debate amongst regular members resort to personal insults and I ask you to remember and accept that, I disagree with your remark that it goes on all the time.
I let it carry on untill insults started... as I stated before, I bloody hate having to butt in at all... and when you've been around longer (if you choose to stay) then you'll know this is one of the least moderated bike forum on the net.
And I dont want to ban you, I just stated a fact, stick by what I said or leave. simple. your choice.
Smile... I do it all the time... I'm in charge.. :D

[shaggy696969]

ok taken on board (and duly ignored) Ma'am , but you are the boss and i will stick around to antaganise a bit more .. :D

[Spike]

ok taken on board (and duly ignored) sir , but you are the boss and i will stick around to antaganise a bit more .. :D


Urrrrm, Pat (our great and brilliant boss) is female, so i dont know if Sir is the right thing to say !! :o

[shaggy696969]

cheers .... sorted

[Crofty]

I thought it was quite amusing that while the "opinions were getting a little gritty" there were still little smiley faces on, to make it ok! oh and Grav, your an, er, smelly-face. Yeah, that told you!

[johnr]

I thought it was quite amusing that while the "opinions were getting a little gritty" there were still little smiley faces on, to make it ok! oh and Grav, your an, er, smelly-face. Yeah, that told you!

yeh, some people eh :D


oh grav, erm, smells of wee! :eek:

[Dougie]

yeh, some people eh :D


oh grav, erm, smells of wee! :eek:
Fran here....


You can't call it an insult if it's true! :D

[johnr]

Fran here....


You can't call it an insult if it's true! :D

oh, erm, grav, erm, is really called florrence!

[Grav]

Bastards....... :D

[minxy]

I cant recall anyone getting banned from here.

But then, there's always a first eh.

[bill?]

Bastards....... :D


OI! my mother and father was formally introduced.

[Grav]

There's a terribly rude joke I could make here about yorkshiremen and sheep, but I wont as I'm sure everyone has already heard it. :D

[bill?]

There's a terribly rude joke I could make here about scousers and sheep, but I wont as I'm sure everyone has already heard it. :D

it just fell into your pocket, we know.;)

[Grav]

it just fell onto my knob, officer, i wasn't shagging it, honest
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa :D

[rommel]

Urrrrm, Pat (our great and brilliant boss) is female, so i dont know if Sir is the right thing to say !! :o
Well you could call her Madam...................she looks to me like she would be a Madam :D

[shaggy696969]

Never met the lady ..... but i'm sure she's most pleasant

[Doro]

I cant recall anyone getting banned from here.

But then, there's always a first eh.

a couple of porn stud muffin spamming types were banned - just 2 I think - and that was cos they wouldn't stop spamming :D we invited em to join in properly but they wouldn't - prolly just spam bots anyway lmao

[bill?]

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa :D

is that one of your chat up lines Grav

[Grav]

No Bill? :rolleyes: :D

[The Beer Monsters]

How does Grav get away without paying for things?
No Bill? :rolleyes: :D

[Gypsy]

How does Grav get away without paying for things?
dont all scousers????? :D

[Grav]

I got a free beer today. :D

[critch]

Never met the lady ..... but i'm sure she's allmost pleasant

coo!!! spot on observation feller :D

[johnr]

I got a free beer today. :D

how long before the pub notices that they left the cellar door open then :D

[critch]

dont all scousers????? :D
and where abouts in basingstoke is your shop gypsy :D

[critch]

I got a free beer today. :D

pah!! it came free of charge from the brewery :D

[Crofty]

I got a free beer today. :D

It's coz he's shagging the baaa maid!






oh, a coat, for me? how nice!

[critch]

It's coz he's shagging the baaa maid!





i bloody hope not :mad:

[Grav]

i bloody hope not :mad:

Fear not Critch, she would rather saw off her own legs than shag me. :D

[critch]

Fear not Critch, she would rather saw off her own legs than shag me. :D

same here :mad: :rolleyes: :D

[STEViE]

I know what you mean Critch. I'd rather saw off my own legs than shag Grav too :D

[bill?]

I know what you mean Critch. I'd rather saw off Gravs legs than shag Grav too :D


I'd rather saw his legs off too :D :D

[Abb]

I'd rather saw his legs off too :D :D

You wanna be careful he doesn't set his poof on you.

[Spike]

I'rd rather use an axe....

[Fran]

Fear not Critch, she would rather saw off her own legs than shag me. :D


Why doesn't she saw your legs off so you can't catch her? :D You wouldn't notice the difference Grav,you're always arseing around! :p

[Grav]

You wanna be careful he doesn't set his poof on you.

You would think he had learned his lesson the first time. :D

[Freak]

I would like it be known that
this situation has been 60% resolved

Thank you

funny things forums ;)

[Yoda]

I would like it be known that
this situation has been 60% resolved

Thank you

funny things forums ;)
Cool
and do you have a date for the other 40% being resolved :)

[Freak]

Cool
and do you have a date for the other 40% being resolved :)

Yes mate, a perfectly acceptable date.

[STEViE]

I would like it be known that
this situation has been 60% resolved

Thank you

funny things forums ;)
He didn't mention anythin' about the extra verse in THE song did he ? :)

[STEViE]

I would like it be known that
this situation has been 60% resolved

Thank you

funny things forums ;)
He didn't mention anythin' about the extra verse in THE song did he ?
'specially after how I introduced that bit when playin' it up at the Hex. :)